Hi! I just found your page, and as a Takari shipper, I really appreciate what you do!
I bring you a topic to analyze! Recently I've been thinking about something that I haven't seen discussed anywhere, and that is that if you look at the children of the chosen ones in the epilogue, the oldest ones are Yolei's and Ken's, and then Hikari's (???).
Taking into account that the epilogue takes place in 2027 and her daughter (or son?) looks about 10 years old maybe, then let's say she only has about 5 years left between '02 The Beginning' and the birth of her child to meet someone, fall in love, date and perhaps get married (I mean, it's not necessary to get married to have a child). That's a long time I know, and she could still meet someone between that time, date and then get married in a space of 3 years or so, but it sounds a bit accelerated. Could it be that by the time of the last movie, she's already meeting someone, going out to bars and fooling around? See where I'm going?
I would like to know what you think about it? :)
Hi there! Thanks for consulting with me about this topic friend. For one, I don’t really see Hikari going to bars by herself. She is very cautious unless going through emotional distress, but if one of her friends were there specifically Takeru or Miyako I think she would allow herself to get a little buzzed but not full on wasted and make those kinds of decisions.
To be perfectly honest I have a hard time seeing Hikari dating anyone because it takes a long time for her to feel comfortable. She’s great with children of course, but when it comes to romance I think that would prove to be difficult. She has to learn to confide in people. So if she has close friends and went to a mixer or something, maybe but she would have to have the approval of her friends first. She may be timid at times, but she is smart. With Takeru’s training I’m sure she could talk her way out of trouble what with how she seemed to learn how to tease from him.
Due to her past I think she’s better than before about making personal choices but this is usually in a group setting when it comes to decisions. I am sure she has learned from both Takeru and Miyako and the hearts of the kidnapped children in zero two. Oh, and Tailmon as well.
A part of me strongly believes that she would end up with Takeru and we are being played until the end of this. I spent quite sometime trying to analyze eye colors and heritage and how their kids could have blue eyes and the other has brown eyes which was disheartening…
…but then I remembered, hey this is anime. Does everything absolutely have to be in alignment for it to work? I don’t think so with a hint of salt.
We have to be realistic, but omission is neither evidence nor falsehood.
I try to look at trends, yet since we don’t know the names of most of the Digidestined spouses or seen them we’re not getting the full picture. So, we need to focus on what we can see.
That was just the introduction. So here are my thoughts.
Whoever Hikari dates would need some kind of approval from her brother. He’s still protective of her. He would also need to be approved by her other friends -especially Miyako who is her confidante. She would also like to know Takeru’s reaction since they were childhood friends.
So she would control her environment before she takes any hasty emotional decisions.
I think you’re right timing wise as far as the canonicity of the children being born.
Yet, even after considering what is highly likely I want to give proper credence to omission in the Takari case.
What’s fascinating about this pairing is what we can draw from their constantly being around each other. They grow, they support each other, they start to have feelings in Tri, and by the time we get to Kizuna they are in sync literally lockstep (from the limited time we see them.)
All of this is hammered down even further when we get to the 2nd dialogue script in 02 to the Beginning Movie where they literally are making up stories together on the spot with their Digimon and just literally leading Ken on with their wild stories.
(This also got me thinking maybe Hikari gave Takeru idea to write about for future novels)
Then in that same movie Hikari seems to have front passenger seat privileges, is extremely calm about Takeru’s erractic driving which tells me she is used to it, and lastly, and this is the most important point:
They are still extremely close. Even more so than their DNA digivolving partners. I can’t say the same for Ken and Daisuke.
If we take a step back and look at this from Digimon Adventure all the way through this new movie we can see a steady progression in the building of their relationship.
In the next movie then, I believe, so close to the ordained time of meeting their spouses, one of two things will happen.
They will be in good communication of course. But, what I can see is either Takeru will meet someone, introduce them to the group and Hikari will be supportive but heartbroken and then move on.
Or two, and this is my hope, that, they will finally cross that line to actually become lovers. It would have to be a truly desperate moment for them to see each other that way. They are both terrific at hiding their own feelings.
If we approach this canon wise the first option seems more likely.
But I have approached their relationship differently because so much of their relationship is based off those little details of expression, emotion, and proximity.
This is the last scene I have seen of them from the new movie that I remember. They still seem quite close.
In my opinion after such an emotional travail from the previous conflict it seems that each Digidestined ended up playing with the ones they are closest to.
Hikari could have chosen Miyako.Takeru could have not prepared himself and taken a hit from Iori but he was ready to take it from her.
In response to the last part of your question, I think, should Hikari have been dating Takeru would have made some reaction or comment about it. The same with Takeru. Like in Tri?
But, they didn’t. It wasn’t even brought up. And even if it was possible do you think another girl or guy would like their girl/boyfriend hanging out with their childhood friend in their car alone or at a restaurant?
Maybe it’s a cultural thing but you have to admit that can prompt all kind of misunderstandings.
So in summary I agree they could meet someone else by the time the last movie comes out and dash the hopes of the Takari faithful.
However, like in one of my previous posts I submit this picture as a reservation for Takari to be canon much as the vacant spot conspicuously behind Tentomon in front that seemed reserved for someone:
Mirrored Daisuke appears to have mirrored the missing spot between Sora and Yamato. Yet Takeru seems to have stepped forward as if he was meant to have been in that hidden spot besides Hikari in the first picture.
My hopes for Takaridom are banked on such observations. There is a constant ‘why’ when it comes to these two and their relationship.
One of my biggest ones is why that gap? And as this final movie comes across our path hopefully in the next five years we’ll get some kind of final answer just how far their relationship goes.
I just know that if they are still that close which I believe they will be one or the other will somehow have the other in the back of their minds when it comes to any romance. Which, is a most curious thing, isn’t it?
Would that not lead to, ‘If I’m always considering you/confiding in you does that mean we are the best of friends or could we be more than that?
…
And I am eagerly waiting for those emerging of emotions to manifest that both of them will realize.
(For further understanding of how Takari can be canon I recommend to read my fanfiction series The Digital Record Series on fanfiction.net or archiveofourown.com under Atsoraasayoma.)
I know this has been quite the long response but to me I can’t give a short answer or even a medium one. Much like their relationship you might need to take my opinion with a grain of salt or go back through the series and read between the lines.)
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Now, I'm just speculating, but you know how there's that one image of the incident report for the Hale house fire and everyone is like "is it 7:15 AM or PM?" because that part isn't marked? Well, I finally actually looked at the damn thing while researching for a fic, and I realized that what is actually says is "07:15 a.m./p.m." which actually kind of does tell us when exactly it happened. Assuming the report is written in military time regardless of the use of a colon (which, it probably was because it was drafted by the Beacon Hills Fire Department, and most departments of that nature do use military time because it minimizes confusion like this), that would mean the fire occurred at 7:15 AM which would actually make sense when you consider that Derek says he and Laura were at school when the fire happened. They were probably there an hour or so early (assuming that school commenced between 8:00-8:30 AM) as opposed to being there hella late after hours because most schools in NorCal release between 2:00-3:00 PM, which means that it's pretty unlikely that they were still at school at 7:00 PM. Like, I had a weird high school that ran from 9:00 AM-4:00 PM which is a super long school day and ended up having to be changed after I graduated because it turned out to be, like, illegal or something, but even with a a club or practice scheduled after school, we were gone by no later than 6:00-6:30 at night.
Also, as for why it was so dark when the fire happened--well, it was winter time, guys, and the house is surrounded by trees. In these parts, it can sometimes be really dark until, like, 7:45-8:30 AM depending on the weather, and the trees around the house could block out the sun for a while depending on which direction the house is facing and whatnot. I think I read somewhere that the fire occurred between late 2005 and early 2006, so that definitely means it was winter at the time of the fire. And, again, trees.
I have no logical explanation for why Derek says that 11 people died in the fire when the report only says 8 outside of speculation (the fire burned so hot that only 8 people's remains were ID'd) and darker fan theories (there were some unborn Hales in there...), but I think I can say with relative certainty that the fire happened in the morning.
TL;DR: The Hale fire almost certainly occurred at 7:15 AM because the incident report is most likely written in military time.
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