#treimisia

[mistergenderer]

You know what. Trans men should talk about the oppression they face from cis women.

[rjalker]

Pro tip: if you don't want trans people reclaiming the slurs you literally made up, or stole from fucking 4channers to misgender and oppress them, simply do not fucking call people brand new slurs invented specifically to denigrate them! It's literally not difficult! You don't get to fucking call people slurs invented just for them and then get mad when they reclaim them!

When will truscum and TIRFs learn to stop being bigots.

[ID: A Three panel MS Paint comic, titled, "Reclaiming slurs: 'theyfab'", dated "September 9th 2023". Panel 1 shows a group of three grey figures grinning with evil eyebrows, labled, "bigoted trans people and their transmisic cis friends". They are all shouting together: "Hahaha!! Theyfab!!! You're a pathetic theyfab!!! Just a pathetic woman pretending to be trans for attention!! Theyfab!!! Theyfab!! You think you're oppressed for having a p***y!!! Theyfab!!!" The person they are pointing and laughing at has sad eyebrows and a small frown, and is labeled, "a trans man or nonbinary person who wants equal rights, probably doesn't even use they/them pronouns". The second panel shows the victim throwing their hands into the air, shouting back, "Okay, yeah, I'm a theyfab, and I'm proud to be trans! You got a fucking problem with that?" while the crows of bigots stares in silence. The third panel shows the bigots now colored red, throwing their arms into the air and screaming in all caps: "You disgusting transmisogynist special snowflake!! You can't reclaim the slur we made up to call you!!!!! We're the only ones allowed to call you slurs!!! Stop reclaiming the slurs we call you you fucking faker!!!! You're supposed to cry about it not reclam the slur we literally invented for you!!!! Special snowflake!!! Transmisogynist!! Why aren't you crying?!? Stop being proud of being trans!!!!! You make the real trans people look bad!!!!" The victim mutters, with one hand on their hip and eyebrow raised, "Oh, you're not even being subtle anymore, are you?" Large text at the bottom of the comic reads: "Pro tip if you want to have morals: If you don't want trans people reclaiming slurs used against them, simply do not invent brand new fucking transmisic, exorsexist slurs. It's literally not difficult." End ID.]

Another pro tip: if the people who call you the slur get enraged by you reclaiming it, that means reclaiming it is working. Keep up the good fucking work.

[tucuteboything]

Anyways just putting this here not all transmascs are men, and not all transfems are women, likewise enbymisia and exorsexism exist, nor do i intend to be these things with discourse shit

It's just a lot of it boils down to the whole women = pure innocent creature and men = evil disgusting cretin bullshit radfems like to push around, which doesn't really have much wiggle room to talk about gender-diverse experiences when the directed target is hyperspecific.

(A lot of it boiling down to the idea transmasc = man, transfem = women in trans discourse, especially antimasculism and transandromisia discourse and activism. While trying to put a foot in the door just for even binary trans men to be able to talk about their unique experiences doesn't intentionally leave out non-men/multigender/genderqueer/nonbinary transmascs, it sorta just happens when to even have an arguement you have to use hyperspecific language.) I usually try to include discussions on treimisia in these posts, but a lot of it is geared towards transmasc men and not general transmasc due to the whole binarism of this debate.

I'm a nonbinary multitrans (Transmasculine/Transxenine/Transkenoine) dude, however talking with specific language helps prevent clutter and to solidify a specific issue against a specific targeted group, even if it affects others visibility unfortunately. (I honestly doubt these people would even see past AGAB and the whole TMA=AMAB, and TME=AFAB intersexist transmisic bullshit that sprouted up last year or so on Tumblr, considering these transmisics use phrases like "AFAB privilege" while referring to anyone but cisgender women)

[soong-type-notinuse]

throwback to episode 30 about terf rhetoric.

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

Oh yeah another thing. You're not really pro-abortion if you exclude trans men, nonbinary individuals, intersex folks, etc from your activism. If you think this ruling *only* affects cis women, you are not welcome here. This account is not and will never be a safe space for TERFs. Roe vs Wade affects *EVERYONE* who can get pregnant (Cis women, trans men, nonbinary individuals, intersex individuals, etc). You can come back to me when you learn that this affects many more groups. /srs /nbh

[eldorr]

Cosmicqueer

With symbol (left), Without symbol (right)

Cosmicqueer is a Queer Stance where one is highly opinionated, aka me. Similar to Critinclus and other such terms. I just wanted a term for my beliefs because I saw some stuff that REALLY annoyed me the other night so here we are.

Cosmisqueer is PRO:

Non-traumagenic systems (aka systems of any kind)

Any "contradictory" or complicated queer identity (within reason, such as Turigirls and Lesboys, Cis Nonbinary Woman/Men, Gaybians, Tulipians, AMAB Transmascs, AFAB Transfems, etc.)

Split Attraction Model, such as Mspec Gay, Mspec Lesbian, Alloaro, Alloace, Alloallo Apl, etc. (Essentially inclusive of any non-rose attraction terms such as Alterous, Queerplatonic, Exteramo, Familial, etc., provided one's form of attraction with those is non-normative.)

Aldernic and Altersex

Terms to describe complicated forms of oppression, such as Exorsexism, Treimisia, and Transandromisia. Cosmisqueer also stands to uplift discussions on general transmisia, transmisogyny, homomisia, amisia, etc. (I personally prefer to use the suffix of misia over phobia.)

Neurodivergent, Race, Nonhuman, etc. exclusive genders/orientations/terms

Nonhumans, Otherkin, Alterhumans, etc.

Reclamation of slurs

Informed Self diagnosis

Kink

Objectum, Conceptum

Polyamory, Non-partnering, any non monoamory identity.

Any non-normative being describing oneself as Queer. (Within reason, should only be done if it's an aspect that defines one's identity a decent amount imo.)

Comsicqueer does NOT support:

Radqueer or other similar queer stances

Safequeer

Transid/TransX (Diaracial, Transage, Transabled, etc.)

Pro-Contact or any not anti-contact stance for non-consensual paraphilias (The big 3, and others)

Terms related to the big 3, non-consensual paras, highly dubious concepts. (Minus MAD flags, depending on the nuance of the subject at hand.)

Pro-ship ideology, non-critical fiction stances.

Pro-Incest, Pro-S/H, Pro-ED.

Emojis I'd associate with Cosmicqueer are: ✨☄️🌈. (Sparkles, Comet, Rainbow.)

I already pretty much ID with a couple queer stances, I just wanted a stance where one's Queer, and feels the word Queer can apply to any non-normative identity relating to gender, orientation, presentation, etc. while feeling Queer is inherently connected to the kink community, and can apply to nonhumans, plurals/systems, non-monoamorous beings, etc. as long as their internal identity affects their external expression in any shape and form, being visibly or socially "non-normative." (Within reason, hence the exclusion of actual harmful identities, actions, stances, etc.)

Essentially using the old definition of Queer to cover "strange" and "odd" identity, and blurring the boundaries between the old use of the word Queer, and the current use of it. Essentially I dislike people reducing Queer to just gender identity and sexual orientation, when Queer has always covered much more than that.

[queer-aquarium]

do you have a dni or a byf?

i prefer not to have a dni on this blog in particular; because of it's intention to be a resource! if you're asking because you're trying to scope out if i would fit under yours (/lh); generally i'm a radinclus :) not the transid definition but the original one! i tend to ignore most discourse; but i generally agree with any good-faith identity existing! mspec lesbians, lesboys, endogenic systems, the word transandromisia/treimisia existing, all good in my book :) shaun kenochoric just posted something i agree with related to this as i was typing this up so! i'll reblog that after i post this. hopefully this is helpful anon!

[fakerdisorder]

i feel like biggest problem with the terms tme/tma is its trying SO HARD to put human experiences into neat little boxes based on identity and gender assigned at birth.

like im so sorry but theres cis men who are a bit too gnc by societys standards who are affected by transmisogyny. theres cis women who have high t, deep voices, are intersex, or are just too "masculine" for societys standards that are affected by transmisogyny. theres trans men and transmascs who are affected more by transmisogyny than treimisia/transandrophobia due to factors like presentation, hrt/srs, etc. like guys, theres afab people with penises and amab people with vaginas i dont think boiling human experiences down to a single word is something we should be relying on. theres so many cis and trans people alike, men and women alike, who experience transmisogyny. no one is automatically "exempt" from it based on identity.

we're all in this shitty boat together and if that upsets you then swim

[gendiegremlin]

whats treimisia (if thats the correct word, dunno i saw it on ur dni)

discrimination specific to transmasc individuals. it has lots of other words to describe (transmisandrony, transandrophobia etc) but ae use treimisia

[mistergenderer]

Valid criticisms of the word transandrophobia:

Dyslexic and visually disabled people might have trouble reading it

Stuttering people might have trouble saying it

It has the word phobia in it which is a real term for a real disorder and people with real phobias might be uncomfortable with that

Not valid criticisms:

Trans men have a word for their oppression and thats problematic :((

The creator was a bad person :(((

[rjalker]

no one is fucking putting themselves in life threatening danger by being out as trans and transitioning because they're a misogynist.

If you think trans men are putting their lives at risk to be who they are because they just hate women, you are horrible fucking person. You are not an ally to trans people. You're not a feminist. You're just a fucking bigot.

[tucuteboything]

since transmisics are so against the terms transmisandry/transandromisia/treimisia, how about we call them what they are, TMERFs (TransMasculine Exclusionary Radical Feminists) b/c they're literally just TERFS, except some of them are somehow trans and STILL perpetrate transmisia.

[rjalker]

Giving it its own post so more people can see it. I'm tired of being only one of two (2) fucking people that ever talk about this. Not that I want more people to subject themselves to this book.

If you really want to know where the insistance that trans men and nonbinary face no real or unique forms of transmisia and just need to sit down and shut the fuck up came from, it came from Julia Serano's book, Whipping Girl, published in 2007.

Her entire "theory" about trans women always being the most oppressed literally hinges on her straight up lying about trans men's experiences, even when it means she has to condradict herself every other fucking chapter on the most fundamental level.

She also insists that nonbinary people aren't real, because everyone's brain is hardwired either male or female, and if someone is claiming to be nonbinary, it's actually just that they want to feel superior to trans women in particular, because she thought she was nonbinary before she realized she was a trans woman, so now she's projecting her own issues onto all nonbinary people and claiming we don't exist and that we actually only call ourselves nonbinary....to shit on trans women.

And she argues that the only reason the white western gender binary is so prevalent around the world these days is because it's the only Natural and Real system of gender ever, otherwise it wouldn't be so far spread. Yes, this does literally require her to pretend that all of the genocides white people have committed never happened. Yes, she is explicitly stating that other culture's genders are fake.

She argues that trans men are privileged for always passing, all the time, and then also argues that trans men are privileged for being seen as women, all the time, and then goes on to argue that people perceived as feminine are actually always oppressed, all the time, going so far as to literally state that butch women are treated BETTER than traditionally feminine women.

Like it is so fucking painfully clear that the only people she talked to before writing this book was other middle class white trans women who already agreed with her.

But no one will ever warn out about any of this shit because that would require giving a shit about people other than collage educated white binary trans women who are literally spewing white supremacist shit and transmedicalism and literally straight up lying about trans men and nonbinary people.

The idea that trans men and nonbinary people don't Realy face any oppression literally stems from this fucking book, and bigots who only care about themselves and give no fucking shits about solidairty or even just basic fucking facts have been eating it up and regurgitating it for over a fucking decade now.

It's literally just white feminism at its most fucking violent and insideous, but everyone pretends it's fine now, because now it's inclusive of white middle class trans women who can afford to go to collage, not just the cis ones.

[rjalker]

Hi don't use this as a meme.

This is about a real trans man who was murdered.

[ID: A screenshot of a news program showing a white man in front of a grey map, saying, "Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die.". End ID.]

[rjalker]

insert the penguin meme going:

"You! Self-proclaimed trans-inclusive feminist!

"Do you actually include all trans people in your feminism, or do you think trans men and nonbinary people are "taking up too much space" and "silencing women" in discussions of reproductive rights and the right to abortion?

"Do you think only women are systemically impacted and oppressed by misogyny?

"Do you think trans men are traitors to feminism?

"Are you literally just a radfem who includes trans women under the racist and ableist definition of pure innocent angels incapable of hurting anyone in any way and includes trans men and "non-women" in the definition of "inherently evil disgusting violent oppressor"?

"Do you only include trans men and nonbinary people as a throwaway line while erasing and downplaying our struggles at every step and becoming violently hostile when we talk about our experiences with misogyny and systemic oppression?"

[mistergenderer]

Thinking about how transandrophobia deniers dont even know what the definition of transandrophobia is and the shitty arguments they use

its supposed to be the masc version of transmisogyny, however transmisogyny has two different definitions:

the first is the combination of transphobia and misogyny not necessarily tied to trans womens oppression,

and the second is the specific oppression aimed at trans women.

And they really try to twist what it actually is telling us that the word transandrophobia is based off of the first definition of transmisogyny and not the second one

Also, their argument that transandrophobia isnt real because misandry isnt real doesnt even apply to the word transandrophobia because that argument only applied to its predessecor, transmisandry which was criticized for its use of the word misandry which 1 comes from mras and 2 doesnt exist (which btw, linguistically speaking, literally just stands for the hatred of men which is a very real thing.)