#bathroom debate

[nomorerww]

[queerism1969]

[joan-of-feminism]

History of Women’s Restrooms in the United States

In the midst of the debate about males using female bathrooms, let me remind you that here in the U.S there is still no federal law mandating women’s only restrooms. Despite this, many states and building codes have their own policies regarding restrooms for women. To add on, the first ever restroom equality act in the U.S wasn’t passed until 1989, and that was only in one state. And congresswomen in the House didn’t have a bathroom near the chamber until 2011. Women are still fighting for restroom parity in the U.S and TRA’s are trying to tell us that they are oppressed because of bathrooms? The wiki article also states that female students at Harvard threw jars of fake urine at buildings to protest there not being enough women’s restrooms on campus. Women are the ones being oppressed based on lack of access to facilities, not TIMs. In my own life, I’ve noticed a lack of women’s bathrooms in very old buildings on my college campus. In one of the buildings I had a class in last semester, there was a men’s restroom right as you walk in and another one right next to my classroom, but the women’s restroom was down a labyrinth of halls in the basement. Our proff would give us a 5 min break during class, and it would take us women almost 10 minutes to get back because of how far away the bathroom was. And of course he would make all these jokes about how it takes forever for girls to use the restroom. 🙄 Not to mention how there are a disproportionate number of toilets in the men’s versus women’s rooms. We’ve had just a few decades of access to our own facilities and they are being taken away. But of course no one is suggesting that men give up their spaces. 🙃

[elvhenfaer]

If you’re in a bathroom (or literally anywhere) with me, you’re safe. If I hear anyone of any gender who presents in any way say “no” or “get off me” and the aggressor keeps pushing, I will go full WWE and smash them over the head with a metal chair.

[hallowissmol]

you know its really funny that terfs are all "you should use the bathroom of your assigned gender" meanwhile i, a trans man, get glared at and tend to really freak out women when im in the women's bathroom that i have to use under the laws in my state because i look like a guy. you know. the ones terfs are afraid of. theyre fucking braindead man. they forget trans men even exist and it shows

[anonymouswasfemale]

Put in the tags if its a combo or something else.

[fakeboitherottengirl]

But female exclusive spaces aren't important or anything...

[niiwa-angel]

They should just make bathrooms depending on which hole you pee out of. That would solve a bunch of stuff regarding trans people and bathrooms.

You mean the men's and women's bathrooms? The system we have now and have had for years, maybe even decades??

[switchthedragon]

Screw men and women’s bathrooms, and unisex bathrooms with everything in them are unnecessary HEAR ME OUT

Separate the urinals from the toilets. People who need to use the urinal go in the urinal room. People who need to use the toilet go in the toilet room.

Boom. Solved.

[hjellacott]

The importance of public bathrooms and gyms exclusively for women

The reason transgender women and men do not understand the importance public bathrooms have for women, is that they have never grown up as women.

When I was in middle school, female-exclusive bathrooms were a place where I could change from my school uniform to my Taekwondo uniform (I had classes right in the same building and within minutes of finishing school) without any of the boys who bullied me teasing me, trying to see me naked, and making comments about my body that made me uncomfortable. It was a safe space girls have lost in favour of unisex bathrooms.

When I was in high school, female-exclusive bathrooms were the safe place where I found a friend crying her eyes out because of bullying, feeling that at least in the bathroom she'd be left alone, because there were no boys. It was the one sacred, ever-respected rule, of no boys in the girls' bathroom. It was also the place where my mates and I changed from our high school clothes to our Halloween costumes, where my classmates and I changed into costumes and did our hair and make-up for our play (we studied performing arts), and where we all went to touch-up before our graduation party. That bathroom was witness of so many moments of female vulnerability, where a girl just wanted to be alone, away from boys just for a minute, away from their immature teasing, their sexual harassment, their sexual comments, their mockery, their stupidity. That's gone now in favour of unisex bathrooms.

In my adulthood, public female-exclusive bathrooms became places tailored for female necessities (many include tampax, for example), clean spaces (have men heard of that?) of safety. Where if you were uncomfortable with a man, you could run and no way he'd follow. Bear in mind I'm speaking about public bathrooms in universities, in train stations, in shops, in the street, where there are cameras and security right outside that wouldn't allow a man inside until now they're changing into unisex spaces. And inside, there are no cameras and no security, for privacy, so anything can happen. Public bathrooms were for women a sanctuary of complicity and cooperation between women. They'd help with your make-up, they'd give you space to prepare for an incoming job interview, they'd give you a friendly smile when you needed it, or a period pad, or tell you to adjust your clothes if something was wrong, or lend you a tissue if your boyfriend had just left you. They were also a place where mothers could have their little children, knowing they'd be safe while they went to the loo, that no man would hurt them.

A similar thing happens, for example, in public gyms. When I initiated myself into gyms, in adulthood, the memories of the boy school bullies I'd had were still too recent, and I felt severely insecure. I've always looked too thin and too unfit, the kind of woman you'd laugh for daring to lift something heavy. Nobody would suspect that I'm a Taekwondo veteran, and someone who is, as a matter of fact, strong. You'd think athletes would feel naturally comfortable in gyms, but it wasn't for me. I feared men looking at me with mockery, laughing at my attempts to do activities I was new to, and even worse, I feared men looking at me with desire, masturbating or seeing their erections through their clothes, making me insanely uncomfortable and feeling threatened, as it had happened to female friends of mine. So I was super careful choosing my gym. I wanted a female gym, where I was surrounded by people like me who understood my worries and would help me. I wanted to feel we were all in the same boat. I couldn't find a single one.

BUT AT LEAST, I FOUND PUBLIC MIXED-SEX GYMS WITH FEMALE ONLY CHANGING ROOMS, YESS!!!!

And there, it was glorious. To be able to change into my bathing suit with no men looking at me and making comments. In fact, with nobody looking at me and making comments. Sharing tips with women, empathy with women, even shampoo, for our showers were next door. That, now is also gone.

The thing is, women have been threatened by men, sexual assault experiences from men and patriarchy from men, for hundreds of years. We have always seemed to only be there to sexually please men, period. So while men are more individualistic, women have learned to rely on each other, to trust each other only, and innately mistrust men until they prove themselves worthy. This is what men have caused. As a result, us women work in packs. We raise children together after their fathers abandon us, we take care of each other after our husbands go for a younger woman, we are a safe space when men call us names, tease us, mock us, bully us, shame us.

We are a pack, fiercely protective of each other, and it's always been like that. It's why we go together to like, bathrooms and other places where one might be vulnerable - to keep us safe from men. And much like men needed their own spaces to smoke, talk about girls, see girls dancing naked, play sports or whatever the shit they do there, and would be horrified to find their women there, us women, we need our spaces too. To feel safe, to be in community, to be a pack, to do whatever the shit us women do.

[nomorerww]

Montgomerie and his creepy MRA buddies like OJ are celebrating male teens invading teen girls' spaces, it's known that teen boys are a menace at that age by men who study this group as part of their job + girls have protested "gender identity" having boys' presence in their spaces en masse before so this will def. go well!

[queerism1969]

I’m a cisgender female and don’t like transgender females being in the bathroom, does anyone else agree?

"But men will just say they're trans to get into women's bathrooms and sexually assault them."

As opposed to the men who just go into women's bathroom and sexually assault women without claiming to be trans, a thing that actually happens while the trans thing has not? Because someone willing to sexually assault a woman generally isn't going to be stopped by a sign restricting the room to women-only.

Do you know what chucklefucks like you never consider?

If we're forcing trans men into women's bathrooms, what's to stop a cis man from claiming to be a trans man in order to molest women? They're literally making it easier for them! Of course, we all know that it's not actually based on any real concerns for anyone's safety but that's just more salt in the damn wound.

[writterings]

something i don't get about the trans bathroom debate. why not make all bathrooms gender neutral? then parents who don't have the same gender as their child can use the bathroom together. like why are so many people sending their children to the bathroom by themselves if they're worried about a vague notion of their idea of a predator? like. is it because you can't go in with them? then wouldn't it make more sense to advocate for gender neutral bathrooms???? also tons of cis people go into the bathroom for the "opposite" gender all the time to take their kids of the "opposite" gender into the "correct" bathroom. literally once watched a video of a dad with thousands of likes and comments talking about how he just calls out into the women's room that he was coming in with his daughter and then just went in with her. like idk when you think about the bathroom debate, the more stupid it gets.

[batsarebetterthanpeople]

As someone who was assigned female at birth and has been in both bathrooms I really think only men actually care about who uses the women's room. If you've only ever been in the mens room walking into the bathroom and seeing another person's genitals is actually something that happens. That shit literally never happens in the women's room. For all I know, based exclusively on my use of the women's bathroom, which I did for two decades, the average woman could be packing a tentacle down there and I wouldn't know the difference, because clothes simply do not come off unless you're in a stall.

Cis men who use the urinal wouldn't know that, because it's normal for them to see genitals exposed in the bathroom. I'm sure they imagine a small girl walking in to go to the bathroom and immediately being confronted with a muscled hairy drag queen dick in hand pissing like a race horse when they think of a trans woman using the womens room, but in reality even if your most transphobic nightmare of a trans woman does use the women's room, shes gonna pass that kid fully clothed on her way to wash her hands and no one is going to see anything.

Like, every cis woman knows this. I've only ever seen body parts in that room when a new mother was forced to use the bathroom to breastfeed, which trans women can't do yet so that's not a risk. Literally any woman who raises this concern is disingenuously trying to appeal to male fears. She's a liar.

Edit: not that it would be a valid concern even if you could walk in and see genitals because bodies are completely neutral as the men's room experience proves but even if every assumption made by terfs and predatory men who want to use their sex to justify their behavior was true and seeing a penis amounted to sexual violence it would still not be a valid consern

[ms-revived-frogs]

Once again, women's bathrooms are being eradicated while men's are not. But so keep telling me more about how this movement is for equality.

Link to the video here.

[dontmeantobepoliticalbut]

An Oxford resident says he was attacked and beaten while camping because he is transgender.

Noah Ruiz, 20, was born a woman and has female body parts but identifies as male.

He says he was using the women’s restroom in a Preble County campground—which he was advised to do—when a group of men came after him.

“I have bruises on the back of my head from being punched in the back of the head,” Ruiz said Friday.

It happened July 3 at Cross’s Campground in Camden, Ruiz says. He recalls going to the women’s restroom when a female in the stall became upset.

“I was using the bathroom, and she just started shouting. She was like, ‘Who the [expletive] is in here?’ And I replied, ‘I am.’ My girlfriend replied, ‘I am as well.’ She was like, ‘No man should be in this bathroom. Like, if you’re a man you need to use a man’s bathroom.’ And I was like, ‘I’m transgender. Like, I have woman body parts, and I was told to use this bathroom,’” Ruiz recalled.

He says as he was walking out, three large men approached him. In the end, he was left with several cuts and gashes across his body in addition to the bruising.

“They, like, grabbed me up off the ground. They choked me out. They said, ‘I’ll kill you, you [expletive] doing all this.’ And I said, ‘Dude, I’m not, I’m using the right bathroom. Rick Cross, the owner of this establishment, told me to use the bathroom. I’m following the rules,’” Ruiz explained.

Preble County sheriff’s deputies eventually showed up and arrested Ruiz for disorderly conduct and obstructing official business.

Preble County Michael Simpson says the deputies weren’t initially aware of the assault, that a large crowd had gathered, that Ruiz was highly intoxicated and that he was becoming belligerent.

“Noah was so upset at the time, he was trying to explain what has happened, and no one was listening to him. So Noah did then get out of hand, and he admits to his part of getting out of hand, from screaming, yelling. He was in defense mode, and when police got there, they didn’t listen to him. They just immediately started shoving him to the ground and doing what they needed to do,” said Ruiz’s mother, Jennifer Ruiz.

After Ruiz’s arrest, he was able to file an assault report with the sheriff’s office. He says he wants the men held accountable for their actions.

“I feel like something does need to be done to the people who hit him, and the police need to take charges against them for hitting him,” Jennifer said.

Jennifer claims the men repeatedly called Ruiz a homophobic slur.

“That’s not safety, and I worry for the other ones that are there. If we don’t do something about it, who is going to do something about it?” Jennifer said.