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okay more on the LU fandom shit today
here's the post that started it https://www.tumblr.com/candycain2356/787048612501880832
and the other https://www.tumblr.com/ovegakart/787066660591976448/you-know-what-it-is-fucked-up-so-many-artist-have
Someone: asks a clarifying question about whether or not alttp Link and Zelda are related. Responder: Gives a well rounded answer. One of the examples and additional context given is that asker may have heard of this hc since it's popular in LU, but that it's not canon. Ovega: I hate that LU is so prevalent. Ovega's fans: WOW THE LU FANDOM SUCKS WE HATE THEM Ovega: *joins in*
this is really similar to what happened when Ovega expressed humor and exasperation over some interpretations of Dark Link and Volga in one of her comics.
https://www.tumblr.com/ovegakart/765696907391664128/the-lu-fandom-is-maam-this-is-a-hyrule
Ovega: People keep commenting they think it's father-son. It's romantic lol Commenter: Only a LU fan would think it's father-son Ovega: STOP MAKING THIS ABOUT LU Ovega's fans: WOW THE LU FANDOM SUCKS. LOOK AT THE LU FANDOM MAKING IT ABOUT THEMSELVES AND FORCING HEADCANON ONTO US. THEY'RE SO ENTITLED.
In neither of these cases did a LU fan come in policing things. It's the people providing context or dissing LU who are making it about LU, and yet Ovega has been adding onto and encouraging hatred against the LU fandom. She's angry with the people answering questions but her and her followers are blaming the LU fandom for it. It's not fair.
I thought something people wanted from the LU fandom was to provide context to those who think it might be LU. However, in both these cases, it didn't start out as people thinking it must be LU, and yet that's what most of the anger in the reblogs and comments are about.
Nowhere did a LU fan come in saying anything had to be a certain way because it's like that in LU. Why is the LU fandom being blamed for this one??? (why is it that someone asking a clarifying question (or sharing a "bad" headcanon) is assumed to be a LU fan?)
here's my post from earlier, now with more conversation in the comments https://www.tumblr.com/raycatz/787099204091772929/peaks-into-the-lu-tag-oh-drama-tries-to-find-a
What's really frustrating is that she has a large audience of people eager to bash the LU fandom. It doesn't matter what the reason is and it doesn't matter if it makes sense.
#rays random ramblings#it's ironic that the people who are trying to support Ovega by going ''it's not LU'' are the ones pissing her off#and yet the LU fandom is taking the fall for it#no one is policing. what's happening is context being provided to answer questions.#also worth mentioning the time Ovega complained about LU fic she had read#which prompted her followers to shit on the LU fandom#and when creators in the LU fandom who make things and collaborate with friends stood up for themselves and said#''hey. this is really discouraging. people should make what they want!''#Ovega said ''well actually I should be allowed to and your ideas suck'' and tHEN STOPPED MAKING AS MUCH LU CONTENT LMAO#WE WON'T BE BULLIED#the irony in being angry with the LU fandom for policing (when it isn't) but then also being pissed when the LU fandom stands up for itself#when it comes to headcanon bashing.#so it's cool and hip when linksmeets have non-canon compliant headcanons#but when the LU fandom does it's cringe?#(she stopped posting LU content after we said we wouldn't be bullied asjfhgsjdhfs but kept on going about how she dislikes the LU fandom)#(afaik she doesn't enage with other creators in the fandom. The fandom to me is the people I'm making things alongside of.#I haven't seen her lift up any of the people here so. imo just standing alone and hitting people isn't a good look.)#(fandom is a collection of people! not a you show! as a person making things with others#I feel I have a responsibility to not put people down!)#1000+ notes on her post dissing the LU fandom over- someone saying something isn't about the fandom???#YEESH#the person ON HER SIDE is the one who set her off. why is the LU fandom being hit???
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I like Nebula as a service in many ways -- the site is lightweight and their servers are very stable and it's really easy to find the specific people whose stuff I want to watch. But the thing about Youtube is that it's way easier for me to find people sitting down for three hours to infodump about a piece of media they like in nitty gritty detail. That's my hobby, and I like watch and listening to other people perform my hobby just like a dancer might watch competitive dance for fun or a speedrunner watch other speedrunners stream games that are unfamiliar to them.
#fannish#I'm burned by the fact that in the creator economy *some* people clearly consider their nerd shit better than other nerd shit#more on par with the “edutainment” of channels that discuss science or politics#People who talk about fandom to “normies”#Like I'm incredibly fucking impressed KingK and Liam Triforce and CURSED JUDGE OH MY GOD SINCE WHEN are on there#b/c I fully expected them to be too “low brow” despite the production value of their videos#but I fully suspect someone like PakPak or Veridis Joe or Jimothy Cool or Minaxa or AurumAlex#or hell even Mother's Basement or Steph Sterling is never gonna be on Nebula#b/c they're not the “right kind” of content creator for that platform#I would love to be proven wrong! I would love for every video creator I like to not be on Youtube anymore!#But Nebula *is* curated and *prides itself* on its curation#and while they talk about only being sure to have people with good reputations and progressive politics#I also think there is an element of “what is respectable and approachable to a mass audience” aspect to it#and people making content for a mass audience cannot be trusted not to throw my nerd ass under a bus#Fingers Crossed Asad Anjum gets on there at some point though
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I have to say I feel like some of these celebrities should have some more strict boundaries with fans like i find it as fun as anyone when creators get fans involved in their work like I love it however some of these things are straight up parasocial
#I’ve said before how dropout kinda gains a lot from making their shows feel more personal and intimate#like I love ify but recently this girl on tiktok made a post criticizing something he said in a smosh vid at some point#and he apparently made response vid that was pretty harsh considering she wasn’t even that meanspirited in the og which just was not cool#this also goes for like big companies reblogging silly little fan posts (not fanart but just like fandom shitposts)#actual big artists (cough cough bbno$ no hate) interacting with fans so much that they’re making jokes about him being parasocial#there needs to be a part of fandom seperate from creators or at least interaction with creators or else you wont get anybody criticizing it#at all without fear of being seen and called out by the actual people who made the thing#esp because these things don’t just open up these people to attention and recognition but also to hate! like hate that can get really bad!!#not even to mention the pathways for grooming this can open#and the fact that the creators interacting so often with fan content they think is good it no longer is#holy shit they made that really cool thing and the creator like it it’s not I thought my stuff was good so why don’t the creators like it#some interaction with fans is good like boosting fan art or working with fans in a professional capacity for something#however I think that the breakdown of these boundaries is really dangerous in some big ways#done rambling for now#madurday night live
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Do you love this skull? And the old internet? And attribution? You might like this :)
#this is delightful#i really am enjoying the newish trend of tracking down sources and creators of iconic internet things#also i find it very funny and crazy that people finding old websites#can't seem to process the concept of personal webpages#so many times in these sorts of things i see creators puzzling over 'why this was made'#because we're so steeped in corporate hosted social media sites and presences#that younger folks are just too distanced from the idea of just#making a personal site with your own random stuff and interests#disconnected from a Facebook or tiktok curated page#go make a geocities site and recapture being free!#this has gotten away from me somewhat#but i really liked this video and all the effort that went into it#i remember being in 7th grade picking through various rudimentary search engines#because google didn't exist and different sites trawled different content#looking for cool gifs and art#because little pixelated dragon gifs were the coolest damn thing to me#yes I'm old as shit‚ sorry#and a lot of this video brought back some of that#i miss it#long live jazz skull#Youtube#skull#skeleton#Halloween#doot skull#trumpet skeleton#spooky gifs
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Does anyone else take those pieces of media that you like a lot but hate the creator to the point where you don't interact with the media anymore and just start taking what you remember of the media and making it your own? Like adding characters and concepts and removing things you don't like until what you end up with is almost entirely different? But like not in a normal writing fanfic way, like in a way where you simultaneously called cps on them, are cps, and got custody of the child
Honestly. Best way to disrespect a creator you hate imo. Just take something they made and be like 'nah this is better (turns your queerphobic story into a story about queer people being extremely queer and found family)' and then completely ignore the original in favor of this random story you like so much more that you made in your brain in like 2 months
This is still good to do for a story that you think would be better if it was altered or want to tamper with or experiment. But it is made infinitely better if you do it out of spite and then end up adoring your version way more than you ever liked the original.
#i do this with a couple things#mostly harry potter#i just took harry potter and was like#what if dragons were cool#and everyone was queer#i have never read harry potter#last time i interacted with anything harry potter was at least 2 years ago#make so many people trans!!#fuck jkr#also other media#but this is the main one for me#i personally leave all creators that i love as intact as possible out of respect#unless they also are a little silly with it#isat my beloved#rain world my beloved#idk if anyone is actually interested in my random hp creation so I probably won't do anything with it#it stays locked in my brain until i die#i havent even written anything about it#i should. i accidentally made myself super invested#does anyone else also make an oc and fully cement said oc in their mind and then just. forget to design what they look like.#or is that just me#its like im constantly writing content for it in my brain but the moment i try to put it out of my brain it evaporates#this is the first time i have even considered talking about miscellaneous creations such as this to other beings
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the array of things that can make me believe my life is unsalvageable is truly so vast these days... and every day I get to discover a new one too... like i knew we had period week, ovulation week, pre-work-event dread, caffeine withdrawal, and anyone criticizing me for anything... but did y'all know that migraine hangover also does the job now??? cool!!
#excedrin does extremely fucked up things to my blood sugar or pressure (i cannot tell which bc they feel the same when they're off)#that being said#i need psychological help#this entire blog is a cry for help actually#personal#sometimes i'm like imagine following me bc i write kind of decent fanfic and you want cute landoscar content#and then i just immediately shatter the illusion by depression posting on main#i yearn to be a cool good-vibes creator like so many on f1blr are... but alas. i am doomed by my inability to shut my mouth.
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A bit of good news for everyone.
After the editor and chief of the longstanding gaming and culture network, The Escapist, was fired, the entire video-making staff followed him over to a fully employee-owned group called Second Wind.
These creators - most notably figures like Yahtzee who is responsible for his 15+ year old, short-form game review series, Zero Punctuation - plan to continue working on the projects they've established in one form or another.
As of writing, the Patreon alone is already hitting around $4,000 a month.
With all of the projects crashing or getting cancelled lately, it's genuinely SUCH a blessing to see such a dedicated team getting to not only escape corporate whims, but also getting such a HUGE outpouring of support.
#second wind#the escapist#zero punctuation#good news#i'm a old fuck - i remember first seeing clips of zero punctuation on fuckin' /G4/#back when X-Play was a thing -#and i won't lie; the escapist had some ROUGH years for a while#but ever since nick was in charge they've been releasing a steady stream of newer stuff AND consistent yahtzee content#i haven't dived deep into all of the other series BUT i've never regretted when i did#now that they're going independent i feel ESPECIALLY inclined to support them#especially with nick mentioning stuff like focusing on paying the people who had salaries first#and how donations will actually go to the fuckin' creators and not the suits#even if you don't end up wanting to support them financially it'd still be cool to spread the word around#i want more than anything to see more of the creators i love being able to safely not be beholden to suits with unrealistic expectations
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me, procrastinating on one project with another one: it's fine they're both for content I do this for the people and the people will receive SOMETHING sooner by me working on either one 😤
#*6 more pages to finish for next lemon chapter (issa long chapter cause last one was shorter than usual)#10+(I think) insert illustration linework and 30+ colour left for next matriarchy video (and then the rest of the remaining editing too)#something about lemons#matriarchy#both have some bits of art so far that I am really really happy with bc they look cool as hell#(and I can't post YET BC OF SPOILERS AAAHH)#as part of my recent to current crisis of faith and identity and disillusionment with media industry among other things#I have arrived at a point of not measuring my content by industry standards anymore#as in like it is not about whether it's marketable or will ever be monetiseable#it's fucking art#it's not supposed to be marketable or monetiseable#it's about making it cause it's fun and you want to and the people enjoy it#and by that measure any content I post is of equal value regardless of production quality or subject as long as y'all enjoy it#and no amount of industry recognition or lack thereof will ever change that#that's the point of being an online creator#fan work original work academic theory work big budget industry work etc etc etc all of equal value#even if I ever do get a budget for something it won't change a damn thing about the worth of the resulting piece of art#even if I ever get it more widely published than my own pond it'll merely make that pond bigger for all my work
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I saw smosh games and jojosolos on the same poster and nearly blacked out holy shit
#worlds colliding or something NOT A HUGE DEAL just didn’t expect it#jojo is like one of the only content creators from my mcyt phase that I still somewhat occasionally watch#due to her generally uncontroversial past -#and being a queer woc who also is a software engineer it’s so fucking cool#Smosh as an mcc team would go crazy actually
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having distanced myself from "fandom" spaces -- and really art-centered communities as a whole -- it really is strange to me how there's this perception that posting content automatically means that you're trying to grow an audience / want to become something like an influencer
i'm not trying to make a "living" off of being a content creator so it's not really important to me whether or not a piece gets a lot of visibility or not - i'm just drawing and posting what i like and if other people happen to like it or see it that's a nice bonus!! but i think personally i've kind of checked out of the idea of being an Artist On The Internet
i also just don't like the culture surrounding online art-centered spaces because it caused me to develop a very weird relationship with my work; i wasn't drawing to improve or because i wanted to, i was basically burning myself out trying to get "just good enough" to where people wouldn't judge me anymore for being "bad" which was like ?!?#?#?@#
it's nice to be treated not as someone's "art [sns] mutual" but as just a friend who may also happen to draw and that's why i've felt a lot more comfortable with the people i'm surrounded by now vs previously, where it always felt like my art was a factor into whether or not i was even given baseline respect nod nod
#memo#jus thoughts in th brain#also i've been around people who talk down about others who 'haven't grown at all' as far as sns presence#and while some people do want to build communities or whatever not everyone is gunning to have a 'fanbase'#so it felt kind of ??? when that was used as a jab#and some may accuse me of just saying this bc i've never had much Internet Clout or whatever so it's just copium but like#being a content creator is whatever .. again if people find and like my work that's cool#if they don't then it's okay#ive grown to just be proud of the fact that i'm making anything at all#and i think it's fine to post artwork or fics or literally anything just to post it !!#not everything is for a consumer
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also part of the reason this is bothering me so much is bc like. where does being able to talk about differences between versions of canon fall on the spectrum of privilege lmfao. show me exactly how a stranger on the internet pointing out how the show is different from the book in a jokey fake-hurt way is an expression of Privilege. show me how this is a 'bitch fit,' to talk about things we like how we like 🤡🤡🤡
#I can acknowledge my privilege but assuming my life is privileged because I can talk about a book I like? clown behavior#also it doesn't matter how heavily involved uncle Rick was. the rights still go to Disney all decisions ultimately come down to them#and I thought we all agreed it was cool to hate on the mouse#it's not like I was even pointing out anything controversial (like some of the creators defending Israel). I was literally just looking at#differences between canons im saurrrr sorry some stranger being goofy seems like Privilege to u. have u tried having a nice time instead#it genuinely is much better to approach the internet and strangers under the premise of We're All Here To Have A Good Time instead of like#whatever content interaction-bait angrycommenting y'all seem to have going lmfao#hearing an opinion you don't like and immediately assuming they must be some sort of privileged asshole is the devil talking
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I think that YouTube was better when only views & likes/dislikes were measured rather than how long people watch through a video in one sitting. This is partially what killed off rick rolling and mostly killed off creativity and long-form content as well as variety on the platform. They measure video analytics a similar way to how Netflix measures if a show deserves more seasons or not, how much of the entire season (or in this case, video) was watched in one sitting within those 24-48 initial release hours. Absolute worse content analytics change to be normalized on the internet.
I also miss when liked videos didn’t have a cap on how many likes you could have, but I’m not sure if that was always a thing or only a change implemented in recent years to cut back on data storage costs.
#it’s cool to know how much people watched the video#but it shouldn’t be used in an algorithm that’s supposedly claims to promote creativity#watch time is based on when you open a video and close out of that session#it’s not based on if you come back and watch more of it#it’s based on pet session which leaves long-form content being never recommended to anyone unless you’re a youtuber household name#per session*#it’s cool to know for yourself but the fact that it’s used to not show people certain videos is atrocious#Netflix is even worse about it because if they don’t want you succeeding they’ll choose whether or not to advertise your stuff on other#platforms#there is by no means ANY job security for creators these days if you can argue that there ever was#it’s just only gotten worse is the thing#the YouTube likes thing just always makes me weirded out like I swear I left a like on that video wtf is going on google?? hello??#mine#op#youtubers#YouTube#content creator#content creation#content creators
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Tim Drake has a hatred for Sherlock Holmes, has he ever read the books? No but his dad used to insultingly call him Sherlock as a kid when he was being too nosy or curious and now even when people say it as a compliment it just irks him
Jason being the resident classic literature nerd is dead set on at least having Tim read the books so he can either A. Actually like the books and accept that Sherlock is actually a pretty cool guy to be compared too, or B. Give actual tasteful criticism and insults based on the contents of the book
Jason could care less which happens he’s just tired of Tim ranting about his hatred for Sherlock despite not knowing a thing about Sherlock
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Tim: Sherlock this, Sherlock that, I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing that stupid hat
Jason: The hat really isn’t even mentioned in the books, You’d know if you read them
Tim: I’m not reading them, they really can’t be that good in fact Sherlock was so bad even his literal creator wanted nothing to do with him
Jason: Your dad wanted nothing to do with you and you’re still a pretty good detective
*Cue Dick yelling at Jason cause “that wasn’t nice”
#dc comics#batfam#jason todd#red hood#dc#dick grayson#nightwing#batman#tim drake#red robin#robin#sherlock holmes#headcanons#In Jason’s defense he got Tim a really nice box set of the books that Tim hasn’t even touched
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꒰ ⌕ ꒱ recommended lewis pullman fics! ✧ ੭ pls support these writers !



ROLES: bob ‘robert’ floyd (top gun maverick) rhett abbott (outer range) calvin evans (lesson in chemistry) robert reynolds (thunderbolts*)
✷ includes smut! must 18+ to read! 𝜗𝜚 — my personal fav! — indented text is other recommended fics by the same author!
OVER THE INTERCOM ⠆ i recently got back into reading lewis fics again and its made me realize how amazing these writers are so i thought i would make a rec list out of appreciation as someone who’s been reading ab lewis since 2022 :p
˚⋆𐙚。 list is regularly updated when i find new fics! & if links aren’t working pls lmk! ⋆𖦹.✧˚
── .✦ also! i may be recommending certain fics but please also check out their blogs! so many of these authors have other amazing pieces just waiting to be read!
BOB FLOYD ⤸
✷ the wingman written by @roosterforme / synopsis: Bob never did this sort of thing. Talking to girls and flirting and romance. It's not that he didn't want to, he just didn't really know how. But you were different in all the right ways, and you made him feel confident enough to try.
𝜗𝜚 ✷ do you wanna make somethin’ out of it written by @theharddeck / synopsis: turns out, our favorite WSO has a side hustle, as quinn's favorite cowboy.
⤿ ✷ it’d be a sweet situation a much needed part two! /synopsis: what's better than finding out the WSO you've had a secret crush is the same audio erotica creator that you've been crushing on for months? getting to watch him record new content...and maybe get involved yourself
rodeo written by @sarahsmi13s / synopsis: when your relationship with bob is reveal to the squad, hangman can’t help but wait for bob to stake his claim on you.
𝜗𝜚 ✷ bob from stats written by @attapullman / synopsis: College is a wild time, but absolutely nothing could prepare you for the quiet guy from Stats riding around campus as a cowboy. Or what a good kisser he is.
⤿ 𝜗𝜚 ✷ bob from pi kapp / synopsis: First he's late to chapter, and now Bob is late to your Stats final. You saved him a seat. But should you also save one for his hobby horse?
never knew i needed a college!bob au until now and it’s honestly changed my life.
✷ unraveled written by @withahappyrefrain / synopsis: Bob Floyd likes to think he can keep it cool. Then along comes a sundress.
birds of a feather written by @dearsnow / synopsis: phoenix and her girlfriend set you up with a wso they insist will be right up your alley. (robert “bob” floyd x fem!reader, fluff, reader is meant to be similar to bob, ie quiet, sweet, and nerdy, mentions of being drunk/having sex but nothing explicit)
the quiet ones written by @callsigns-haze / synopsis: You surprise the Dagger Squad by revealing your secret to Bob, who shyly but lovingly melts into your kiss as the others watch in shock, as shy guys are your type.
✷ 𝜗𝜚 kiss cam written by @scarletmika / synopsis: The San Diego Padres are saluting the U.S. Navy during their upcoming game, and the Dagger Squad has been invited to attend. Hangman's only goal for the game? Get you and Bob to finally act on your feelings and confess to each other. — newly added!
call sign: heartbreaker written by @violetrainbow412-blog / synopsis: Jake runs his mouth. You do something about it. — newly added!
fics i read during my bob floyd binge!
✷ rich in life written by @bloatedandalone04 / synopsis: Bob is known to be the shy, quiet and kinder one of out the whole dagger squad, and he didn’t mind the ‘soft’ reputation one bit, because he knew the real him. The version of himself that came out whenever he got his wife alone, which, luckily for him, was every single night.
✷ it's that simple written by @tropes-and-tales
pepper spray lovers written by @moon-fics / synopsis: You're a well-known bartender at the Hard Deck and friends with most of the pilots who enter through the doors. However, you've caught the eye of one specific weapon systems operator.
𝜗𝜚 the plan written by @geminiwritten / synopsis: the squad are all pretty sure that bob has a thing for you, but you're not convinced, so you hatch a plan to tease him within an inch of his life until he snaps
✷ pretend written by @attapullman / synopsis: You aren't sure what's worse: having to share a bed with the boy who was your first boyfriend who you haven't seen in years, or having to pretend he's your boyfriend when you wish he actually was.
this was a reread but come on how can i not add this??
RHETT ABBOTT ⤸
✷ good at makin’ bad decisions written by @attapullman / synopsis: Even a year after you've broken up, after a night of drinking you still end up in Rhett Abbott's bed.
sugar and spice written by @floydsmuse / synopsis: you and rhett start up the tradition of making a gingerbread house together on christmas eve.
✷ odds are stacked written by @sunlightmurdock / synopsis: In which Rhett loses a bet and you lose your virginity.
✷ whisky sour written by @delopsia
𝜗𝜚 ✷ little lambs and big, bad cowboys written by @lewmagoo / synopsis: in which you find yourself entirely at his mercy
𝜗𝜚 ✷ trouble with books written by @hederasgarden / synopsis: You and Rhett discover a surprising new kink together.
CALVIN EVANS ⤸
please please me written by @gaygothiccowboy / synopsis: you persuade Calvin to spend a little less time at the lab and a lot more time with you.
(NEW!) ROBERT REYNOLDS ⤸
dance with me written by @callsign-fox
stay with me written by @scarletmika / synopsis: Bob wants to feel useful, to truly be part of the team, but the others don't think he's ready. You take it upon yourself to teach him control, to guide him through. But mistakes will be made, and it might not be possible to keep the darkness from creeping back in once more
the good side written by @cosmictheo / synopsis: bob loves you so much that he slowly begins to transform into a house-husband for you. and he loves it.
⤷ heavenly / synopsis: it's the first time you're wearing your new suit as an official (new) avenger and bob is a little too excited about it.
sneaking around written by @callsign-swan / synopsis: Bob doesn't mean to be sneaking around. But he can't help it. He's got a secret, and he wants to keep it that way. Too bad he's best friends with Yelena Belova.
𝜗𝜚 honey written by @strkly / synopsis: after being off the grid for a while you return to society and meet up with your old friend bucky barnes. unexpectedly you run into someone you never thought you would see again. your high school boyfriend robert reynolds.
𝜗𝜚 ✷ perv!bob written by @undyingdecay
𝜗𝜚 truth will set your free written by @sergeantbuckybarnes synopsis: You are injected with a truth serum during a mission, and when you return to the Watchtower, you must avoid Bob in order not to spill your feelings for him, but this causes Bob to believe he has done something to upset you
control written by @fireinmoonshot / synopsis: Bob always waits for you to come back from missions, but when you don't come back one day, his powers start to get a little out of hand.
if anything written by @eyelessfaces / synopsis: no one wants to talk about how close you came to dying, everyone walking on eggshells until bob finds out what really happened and asks why no one trusted him enough to tell the truth; you both know the reason involves your mutual feelings.
dreamwalker written by @roanofarcc /synopsis: you use your dreamwalking abilities to try to soothe the storm in bob’s head.
show some loves to the authors ᡣ𐭩 recommendations by jes!
#fanfiction#lewis pullman#lewis pullman imagines#bob floyd#bob floyd imagines#top gun maverick imagines#top gun maverick#rhett abbott imagines#outer range#rhett abbott#rhett abbott smut#fanfic recs#calvin evans#lessons in chemistry
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Rundown of the more interesting parts from the Necrits live stream with Christian Linke (Creative Director and Co-Creator of Arcane) :
There was a longer version of the Caitvi sex scene but they got bonked by the ratings people, and because it would have raised Leagues rating to mature, it got brought down to what we got.
The entire Caitvi sex scene was directed and animated by Fortiche with zero input by Riot. Christian says, "That was French people being French."
Riot making Arcane canon didn't change where they were taking characters or the story, it just made them more aware of how it would affect other Riot projects.
Christian refused to confirm exactly when the events of Arcane take place in the existing timeline.
The Arcane doesn't originate from Hextech. It is just one - in universe - interpretation of magic.
Christian doesn't view Viktor and Jayce's love as romantic, and that romance wasn't the intention when writing their relationship. However, by the way he talks, it doesn't seem he's against people shipping them romantically - just as a creative team, they were more interested in exploring a close, complex male friendship / brotherhood.
The 250-million dollar show budget number is not accurate as marketing is included in that fund. Fortiche's goal from the beginning was to bring the level of animation found in feature animated films to serialised content. While the show was very expensive for an animated series, it was way cheaper than an animated feature film because they try and work efficiently. As an example, Christian says how often in Hollywood, it's not uncommon for sometimes 40-50% of what is animated to end up on the cutting room floor while with Fortiche they try and keep it around 5%
Ekko's hair was changed from a mohawk to dreads because the artist who worked on him told them that black hair doesn't work like that (in reference to the mohwak), and here's how it would actually work.
Legends of Runterra affected Arcane in terms of giving the team inspiration for how the everyday street life is for people in the regions.
Caitlyn's LOR Tactical design (2021) and Warwicks VGU Voicelines (2017) were made to reflect what was going to happen in Arcane - production of Arcane just took a long amount of time.
They've said from the beginning that the only person who could ever defeat Viktor at the height of his power was Viktor himself. His story is about the glorious evolution, the pursuit of that, and what it actually means to remove these human elements until there is nothing left.
All projects Riot is working on - whether the MMO, Games, Written or Animated projects - are in talks with one another at all times.
Christian comments on how very few games have remain in service as long as League has, and because of its ever growing and evolving story, it's hard to bring everything together cohesively since everything was made at different times, in different era's, by a multitude of different people. So, while many things may be very cool creatively, it makes it impossible to successfully bring it all together more often than not. So for new projects, they are more focused on making something good and successful with the team and talent they have, even if it retcons or replaces content made in the past.
Christian pitched singing Heimerdinger.
Arcane's scripts for S2 were locked in before S1 was released, so they were not impacted by fandoms or online reactions. Christian thinks maybe some animation choices were influenced by things the animators saw online, but not the story.
When watching the premier of the final arcane episodes in LA - the entire 4000 seat theatre cheered when Maddie died.
The butterfly motif shared between Jayce and Viktor specifically was used to represent transformation.
Christian talked about how they don't think about really whether people will like something or not, but whether it's the right consequence for the story (this is in discussion to Caitlyn losing an eye). What makes a character likeable to an audience in his eyes is their decisions in the story; the choices that they make.
Continuing on from this, he comments on how the choices Caitlyn makes now are so different now compared to the beginning of the show. She is now willing to take risks and sacrifice parts of herself for people, for Piltover and for what is right.
When asked about Caitlyn's signature hat, Christian says that the team saw it as somthing that didn't really fit this version of Caitlyn they were writing and the person she becomes and that's why it was never incorporated into her designs.
Back in the beginning, when they were first working on Arcane, Christian would constantly going back to Jinx and Vi's original design artists & Riot August who was their champion designer to make sure they weren't messing anything up with these characters.
Christian goes on to tell an anecdote of when Paul 'Zeronis' Kwon was drawing the first concepts for Vi. This was back when Christian was in music. She didn't have a name at the time, but when Christian looked over Paul's shoulder at the art, he comments "she kinda looks like a Violet to me." They never spoke about it, but months later, when she became a serious character concept internally, she was gifted the name Vi. To this day, Christian doesn't know if his comment resulted in her name or if it was just a coincidence, but Violet became stuck in Christian's brain as Vi's true name. Riot August (who was in chat) then confirms that her name came from her tattoo, which came from one of her key design elements, being that she had the number 6 on her face. So, just a happy coincidence.
Talking about the tattoo. The tattoo was shrunken in size so, from a distance, it would look more like a beauty mark and the brain can more easily disregard it. One of the many things that they had to think about when translating the designs over as, is animation, you would be looking at a characters face a lot more than you do in league where the camera is situated top down.
As they were wrapping up the stream, Christian talks about how there always needs to be a bit of space between what content creators / content consumers do (pointing at Necrit) and what Riot does. He thinks it's good that there is space for criticism and a critical view of the things Riot does. In order to succeed, he believes they need to listen to their audience but also that they need to have their own vision, take risks, and be bold. It's a delicate balance in his eyes, and projects tend to fail when these two sides are too in cahoots.
He iterates that they are not trying to shove anything down anyone's throats. They are just trying to find what makes these characters cool, tell their stories, and be true to the regions they come from. With taking the characters from League to Arcane, it was important that they translate these stories and characters so they can hold up with the best storytelling in the world.
This circles back to the earlier point about retconning things and replacing past stories and content. He comments on how some characters are very outdated or too archetypal, but they still have an essence that people love about them.
Arcane was something Christian worked on for 9 years, and he was getting clearly emotional near the end. He also adds they're just getting started and he wants to make sure they do a good job with this IP and the characters we really love.
To those who are not happy with certain decisions, he's sorry they didn't hit what you personally wanted, but there is simply no way they can please everybody. While they are trying to make as many of the Riot / Arcane audience happy, they as the creators and artists need to follow their own compass, be the shepherds of this IP; that being creative is hard. They will keep doing that even if they sometimes have to ruffle some feathers.
He closes the stream by confirming that they are investing quite a bit in Noxas, Ionia, and Demacia for the next regions they explore.
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