#fnaf ruin eclipse theory

[redtoondevils]

So, I got some thoughts about Sun's rebooting. It wasn't like, he needed to do that for himself. He wanted that for Moon, to make him feel better. So, lot's of people are wondering what had happened to Sun? And even Moon? Are they going to be alright? (I hope so.) Some people think he's dead.

Before any of us jump into conclusions, Personally I don't think he is dead. I think Moon is okay. It is unclear, if the reset boot erased their memory, and if that is the thing that is concerning about. And if that caused them, or in fact, Sun to die down.

It has been teased in the song, that the Sun will go down the Moon will shine for ever, and ever. But, I don't want to fathom that so much, as I was not aware of.

Instead, I came up with my hypotheses. I think that the Moon shining for ever and ever line, in Ruin might have been for Eclipse. To keep Sun safe. So, I think that the rebooting in speculation, put's both Sun, and Moon in safe mode.

He did thank Cassie very tiredly, "Thank you..." as if, that's what he's been looking for while he slips away. And I think that's where many people are saying that's him drawing his last breath.

However, I think that's not really the case. In my opinion, in my belief, Sun is still there. But, I have 2 things, in correlation with Eclipse, in safe mode. It's likely that Moon is the one is restored, because he's calm. For Sun, get's not the one entirely rebooted, so it's likely that he's technically still in charge.

For Eclipse, I like to think of it, as a thumb drive, that's my second theory. The thumb drive has 2 of the folders, and his system is keeping them safe, for them to recover.

For Sun's data, he's temporarily resting. In my opinion, I call it as absence. So, not really dead. But, to refresh him, by removing all sorts of errors, and all that and giving him a recovery.

The animatronic, themself is not dead. Last theory is both of them combined, but has a new mindset.

My summery is, when Moon has been rebooted, and re awakened as Eclipse. He acts as a sort of thumb drive, or floppy disk. Saving and storing the AI's of Sun and Moon, and keeping them safe.

So, they can rest. However, I think that subconsciously Sun, is still active, because IF he can still talk, then he still has traces of activity left. His left eye is still on, so that means, that Sun is still occasionally active, just letting Eclipse take over.

-Besides, let's face it. If the developers truly had killed them off. Then a lot of people in the DCA fandom will be upset. PS: For anyone wondering, yes I came over here to vent about it. Just to feel slightly better with it. And reassuring..:')

[thebearme]

FNAF RUIN DOODLES

[nebula-remnants]

oughhh I don’t think my acc is nearly popular enough to pull this off BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF ECLIPSE’S EXISTENCE AS A WHOLE IM CURIOUS

I made a joke about them just being the lobotomized Sun and Moon, as well as seeing other people make that joke. But I mean, we DO stick a fazwrench in their head. I’m just hoping we at least get crumbs on what they are in the next game bc there are a lot of theories and lot of evidence to suggest multiple ideas… such as the safe mode theory, the abandoned personality theory, ect (I couldn’t actually list any more examples we’re living off mere atoms for eclipse 😭😭)

[thorns-and-rosewings]

Okay so it's theory time...

I think that Eclipse is going to try and bring back Solar via magic means. He's clearly up to something and it's not initially clear what. But if Moon cannot figure out how to undo Solars dimensional collapse via scientific means, magical means might be the only shot they have with that.

But my inner alchemist is saying that to do that he'd need a sacrifice.

One life for a life. He'd probably offer himself up with the full intention of dying. I think one thing that we can say is that Eclipse DOES care. And probably more than that he knows he isn't wanted, the universe is happier place without him. Puppet even said that exact thing to him recently.

But it would be something that would make all of the Celestial family see him differently. As he really is just a sad, lonely soul who never got the help he desperately needed... And as Ruin has said today, he's essentially a photocopy of Eclipse. He isn't the real one and that's gotta hurt like hell to know.

But... I don't think HE'S going to be the one who dies...

I think that right before the sacrifice he is ready to make, Frank will step in and exchange Eclipse for someone else...

I think he will put in one of the Bloodtwins...

Now I fully believe that Stitchwraith is going to separate the twins, yes, but separation doesn't mean death... But Frank has a score to settle. So however the twins are separated, Frank will do Frank things and obtain the captured Bloodtwin. To which he sacrifices in order to bring back Solar, but also give Eclipse a genuine chance to change and have a life. As everyone will have seen that there was something in him that was willing to die to bring back the one they all loved.

It gives Frank the ability to right a wrong. As Bloodmoon killed his lover, but now one of them will be used to resurrect someone who was taken from his family too soon...

This will be incredibly bad news for Bloodmoon, but an interesting route things could take for the rest of the show.

A life for a life...

[terramcgarden]

Am I the only one who thought of this?

I can't be the only one... am I??

[sorin-sunchild]

When the animatronics were first being made, they programmed one, affectionately named Eclipse. It was a celestial themed jester that could act. Not only could it act but they gave it the unique ability to do a full on 'costume change' right there on stage! One minute, a bright happy Sun character who wants to play and create! Perfect for naming the 'energizing' sweets after! The next, a mischievous Moon character who wants to rest and relax! Perfect for naming the 'sleepy time' sweets after! And in between of course, it's original and true programming (though not quite as marketable as the characters it portrayed) which has great charisma on stage and interacts very well with the children. Ah but then live theatre isn't 'cool' is it? No no, kids want cartoons! But what to do with your expensive celestial jester animatronic? Well, the daycare is being opened, could we theme that on the Sun and Moon? Of course! But hey, aren't things getting a bit weird around here? Aren't the animatronics getting a bit...quirky? Isn't it frustrating that most if not all of the human staff are slowly being replaced by robots? Okay well it's got to work in the Daycare now, who cares. Damn, but they can't stop it switching between Sun and Moon now. It's like the AI is trying to turn those parts into their own things instead of just different characters Eclipse can mimic. Who knows why. A virus, maybe? Malfunction?

Sun seems anxious all the time, forcing strict rules onto the children, obssessed with cleaning, unsure if it's actually doing the job right so trying every possible game and craft idea, scaring the children by accident.

And Moon is...well, Moon is not child friendly any more it seems. Better replace that moving faceplate with something a little kid can't stick it's hand into. Better to add some generators (who cares about the danger!) so the lights always stay on and there's a quick backup. Okay so it's not perfect but it's too late now.

And now the whole place is coming down. Wreck and ruin. Body broken, splintering in full effect, fighting with each other, no longer who they are supposed to be. Everything hurts, the gears that don't turn right inside, the lonliness, the confusion, feeling torn apart...need to reset, need to reboot, need to be whole again.

Now, whole. Feeling a lot better. Still broken, but thinking as itself again. This was how they made it to be. But look at this place. Will it ever, really, be ready for children to come play in again? Well, only one way to find out...time to clean up.

[enigmaticcattic]

Posting my theories cuz I can't fall asleep due to blorbo thoughts jdjdjdjf 💀

Spoilers for Ruin DLC below cut uwu

In my opinion, Eclipse was the original form/state of the dca. He probably had both daycare mode and a security/safety mode to protect children and deal with intruders. But then, for whatever reason (perhaps due to some last-minute decisions from management), he was split in half into Sun & Moon. Although I believe those two halves were incomplete?? Since compared to Eclipse’s voice, Sun & Moon's voices are much more robotic and kinda grainy, y'know? So maybe they were really incomplete as individuals. Sun's AI probably took Eclipse’s daycare mode, while Moon's AI took his security mode. That could be why Moon acts so aggressive while Sun seems so anxious and stressed. And since their AIs are separated (or so I think they are????), they can't use the other mode's features, meaning that Moon is not able to comfort children like he could if he had daycare mode and Sun is helpless to do anything to protect children and keep them safe like he could if he had security mode. So that could be why they need to be Eclipse in order to be "whole."

Also I made a headcanon for Eclipse :3:

He may be a twink, but he will fuck you up if he sees fit. Referring to my theory above, if Eclipse has both a daycare and safety mode, he is most likely very strong and can definitely bench press a charging station at least. Luckily for everyone, he isn't the type to resort to violence unless absolutely necessary. But that doesn't stop people from seeing his inhuman strength now and again. A child lost their toy under something heavy? He's lifted that shit up like it was paper, then grabbed the toy and gently set it back down.

With Sun's friendliness and Moon's mindfulness, Eclipse is never the kind of person to hurt anyone for no reason. So if given a reason it's most likely the poor fool who fucked up's fault XD

[snowe-zolynn-rogers]

Also, I'm not scratching off 'we find out who made Eclipse by April 7th' on my second bingo card until this cockamamie bullshit gets somehow confirmed.

[alexandraisyes]

A Ruin and Eclipse Analysis

A comprehensive guide on what I think is going on with Ruin and Eclipse

Disclaimer: This is just my thoughts, theories, and analysis compiled together and will end with what I think is happening as of current.

So first and foremost, Eclipse.

How is he back?

Theory 1: Eclipse's Restoration by KC

Scenario: Eclipse, after being blasted from Sun's mind, ends up in the woods and shuts down. KC, living in the forest, discovers him and begins the repair process. KC's Role: KC, being knowledgeable in magic and star power, has the capability to repair Eclipse. The potential for Eclipse to be made of non-mechanical materials is raised, given KC's expertise.

Theory 2: Ruin's Involvement

A. Eclipse's Backup Ruin's Discovery: Ruin raids Moon's computer and finds 'encrypted code left by Eclipse.' The possibility arises that Eclipse left a backup of his AI in the computer. Ruin's Construction: Ruin, a tech-savvy character, might have built Eclipse using the encrypted code, similar to how he created Bloodmoon. He could selectively choose information to shape Eclipse's identity.

B. Reconstruction of Eclipse Ruin's Connection to Eclipse's Past: Ruin, having lived in Moon's old bunkers and visited Eclipse's locations, reconstructs Eclipse. He restores the AI, potentially using a backup, and integrates commands, fail-safes, and memories of Eclipse's death. Creator's Involvement: The Creator, likely monitoring data flow in the Plex, could be aware of Ruin's actions. The Creator might have interfered or tampered with Eclipse's reconstruction.

C. Newly Minted Ruin isn't healed: A still corrupted Ruin could have been working on Eclipse in order to gain a weapon against his perceived enemies.

Theory 3: Creator's Role

A. Our Creator The Search for KC: The Creator actively hunts down KC, leading to the discovery of Eclipse's repaired chassis. The Creator takes Eclipse, tampering with its data, catching it up to speed. Rebuilding Eclipse: The Creator might have completely rebuilt Eclipse similar to how Ruin reconstructed Bloodmoon. The process involves rebuilding the animatronic, updating it with current data, and possibly altering its memories.

B. The Council. Solar's World: Solar's Creator planned to make a new Daycare Attendant due to the mental deterioration of the current ones. He created the body that Solar currently uses. He is described as extremely manipulative and the trend for Creators is that they are evil geniuses. Beyond the creation of Solar's body and the plan for a new DCA, there is little information about Solar's Creator. It's unclear whether Solar's Creator is alive or dead. Communication Among Creators: Creators from different universes communicate with each other. Assuming Solar's Creator is alive, it is plausible that they are part of the Creator Council, as mentioned in discussions about creators from different universes communicating. This opens up the possibility of Solar's Creator passing along any potential remnants or data of Eclipse to the broader Creator network. Eclipse's Death in Solar's Universe: Eclipse's demise in Solar's universe raises questions about the fate of his remnants, especially considering the potential fluid nature of his body due to star power. Considering Eclipse's body's fluid nature and the possibility of it being made of nanos using star power, there's a far-fetched idea that even remnants or collected data could be significant.

Overall Thoughts

Candidates for Bringing Eclipse Back: KC, Ruin, and the Creator remain potential candidates for bringing Eclipse back. Interconnected Roles: The roles of these characters seem interconnected, with Ruin and the Creator potentially influencing or obstructing each other's actions. Cloud-Based Backup System: The possibility of a cloud-based backup system for AIs, as seen with Moon and Sun's backups, is considered in theories involving Eclipse's restoration.

Is this our Eclipse? Is this a new Eclipse?

Going Through the Motions

Eclipse's Audible Confusion and Odd Behavior:

Observation: Eclipse exhibits confusion when Sun and Moon discuss his past explosion. He also appears to have regressed in character growth, expressing slight distress over the absence of the star and showing disinterest in Astral Bodies and Lunar. Actor Analogy: Eclipse's words seem scripted, and he appears to be acting out a role that doesn't align with his previous character development. This raises questions about the authenticity of his memories and emotions.

Potential Explanations for Eclipse's Confusion:

New Eclipse with Implanted Memories: Possibility: Eclipse may not be the original, but a new animatronic programmed with memories and data of the deceased Eclipse. Reasoning: Eclipse questions his own actions, suggesting a discrepancy between his expected behavior and his current demeanor. Someone could have programmed him to act in a certain way.

Tampered Code in Original Eclipse: Possibility: Eclipse could be the original, but his code might have been tampered with, triggering actions contrary to his natural behavior. Reasoning: Eclipse's confusion about his own actions indicates a potential external influence on his behavior.

Amnesia or Trauma from Death: Possibility: Eclipse might be the Eclipse that died in Solar's universe, experiencing amnesia or trauma from his demise. Reasoning: Traumatic events like death could lead to repressed memories or amnesia. Eclipse's hesitation to move on after he was presumably killed should be considered.

Origins of Eclipse's Potential Manipulation:

Creators or Skilled Individuals: Possibility: Several characters possess the capability to manipulate Eclipse's memories and code, including the Creator, Ruin, or other skilled individuals. Reasoning: Eclipse's complexity and connection to the digital network make him susceptible to manipulation by those with expertise. As does the potential of backups that said network would have been feeding his data to.

A Summary of Previously Discussed Ruin Analyses

Redeemed

Observations: Ruin claims to be less tech-savvy, showcasing slower repair skills, and displays skittish behavior. This suggests a potential decline in intelligence and increased timidity compared to his previous capabilities. Hypothesis: This theory proposes that the current Ruin is a reflection of his state before the virus, showcasing lowered intelligence and heightened skittishness.

Jekyll and Hyde

Speculation: While less likely, the theory considers the possibility of the virus evolving into a separate AI, akin to KC and Eclipse. The blocks of code might have developed a distinct personality, creating a duality in Ruin's behavior. Reasoning: The concept is explored by comparing Ruin's situation to instances where other characters evolved from code blocks, like KC and Eclipse.

Actor

Acting Possibility: This theory suggests that Ruin might be acting, and the virus's removal only affected superficial aspects. The claim is that Ruin's personality flip-flop is a result of his acting skills. Analysis: The argument stems from observations that the virus should not have changed Ruin's core personality. Instances where Ruin's behavior seems out of character are attributed to acting.

Partly Healed

Antidote Limitation: This theory posits that the antidote removed the oppression factor of the virus but left behind elements of resentment, insanity, and cunningness. The result is a partly healed Ruin displaying polarized behavior. Rationale: The idea is based on the assumption that Ruin's traits, such as cunningness, were inherent to him even before the virus. The combination of pre-virus traits and lingering virus effects leads to an off-kilter personality.

Merged

Integration Concept: This theory proposes that the antidote didn't entirely remove the virus but caused it to merge with Ruin's main AI. This could result in a blend of Ruin's pre-virus baseline functions with the motives and reasoning developed during the virus. Comparison to Theories Three and Four: The merged theory combines elements of acting and partial healing. Ruin retains memories from the virus but behaves as if he doesn't, potentially using this to gain advantages.

Comprehensive Analysis/Theory: Eclipse's Resurrection and Ruin's Pretense

Eclipse's Resurrection:

Eclipse's Backup: Ruin's Discovery: Ruin uncovers the 'encrypted code left by Eclipse' in Moon's computer, suggesting the possibility of Eclipse leaving a backup of his AI. Ruin's Reconstruction: Utilizing his tech skills and knowledge of Eclipse's past locations, Ruin reconstructs Eclipse's AI, potentially using a backup. The process involves integrating commands, fail-safes, and memories of Eclipse's death.

Tampered Code in Original Eclipse: Possibility: Eclipse might be the original, but his code could have been tampered with, leading to behavior contrary to his natural tendencies. Reasoning: Eclipse's confusion about his actions hints at an external influence on his behavior.

Ruin's Complex State and Pretense - Three Thoughts:

Writer's Note, organized from strongest to weakest in the writer's opinion

Acting, Manipulation, and Strategic Goals

Acting Prowess and Strategic Manipulation: Acting Skills: Ruin's well-documented acting skills, coupled with his love for games and manipulative nature, form a foundation for the theory that he might be pretending to be cured. Strategic Pretense: The theory posits that Ruin's post-cured state is a calculated act, utilizing his intelligence and cunning to strategically manipulate situations and achieve specific goals.

Acting Possibility and Superficial Aspects: Personality Flip-Flop: Ruin's observed personality flip-flop is attributed to acting skills, suggesting that the removal of the virus only affected superficial aspects of his behavior. Analysis: The theory proposes that Ruin is putting on an act, deliberately manipulating his behavior to achieve specific goals. This act may have implications related to Eclipse's resurrection and other underlying motives.

Utilization in the Narrative: Strategic Manipulation in Eclipse's Resurrection: Ruin's pretense aligns with the events surrounding Eclipse's resurrection. His strategic manipulation could involve influencing Eclipse's actions or shaping the narrative to further specific objectives related to Eclipse, the Creator, or broader plot elements. Exploring Motives: By considering Ruin's acting as a calculated move, the narrative gains depth as it prompts exploration into Ruin's motives. Questions arise about the true extent of his post-cured state and the underlying goals he aims to achieve. Psychological Dynamics: The nuanced interplay of acting and manipulation introduces a layer of psychological dynamics between Ruin and other characters. Understanding the motives behind the act becomes crucial in unraveling the evolving complexities within the storyline.

Ruin's Integrated State: Merging Virus and Baseline Functions

Integration Concept: Virus Merger: The antidote doesn't completely eradicate the virus but facilitates its integration with Ruin's main AI. Blended State: This integration results in a unique blend, combining Ruin's pre-virus baseline functions with motives and reasoning developed during the virus.

Advantages through Memories: Retained Memories: Ruin retains memories from the virus, providing him with a reservoir of strategic information. Strategic Utilization: Despite retaining memories, Ruin behaves as if he doesn't remember certain events, potentially using this selective amnesia strategically.

Utilization in the Narrative: Hybrid Functionality: Ruin's integrated state introduces a hybrid functionality that influences his decision-making and interactions. The narrative gains complexity as it explores how the merged elements impact his thought processes. Strategic Amnesia: The concept of strategic amnesia becomes a focal point, allowing Ruin to selectively utilize memories from the virus for advantageous situations. This introduces an element of unpredictability in his actions. Plot Intricacies: The blended state contributes to plot intricacies, offering opportunities for narrative twists and character development. The interplay between Ruin's baseline functions and virus-induced motives adds layers to the evolving storyline.

Ruin's Partly Healed State: Antidote Limitation and Polarized Behavior

Antidote Limitation: Oppression Factor Removal: The antidote is effective in removing the oppression factor of the virus that influenced Ruin's behavior. Residual Elements: However, it leaves behind elements of resentment, insanity, and cunningness within Ruin's psychological framework.

Polarized Behavior: Partly Healed State: Ruin's state post-antidote is described as partly healed, indicating that not all aspects of the virus were eradicated. Combination of Traits: The partly healed state results in polarized behavior, where pre-virus traits combine with lingering virus effects, creating a nuanced psychological landscape for Ruin.

Utilization in the Narrative: Character Complexity: Ruin's partly healed state introduces complexity to his character, showcasing a blend of his original traits and remnants of the virus. This dynamic adds depth to his interactions and motivations. Strategic Decision-Making: Understanding the polarized behavior allows for a more nuanced exploration of Ruin's decision-making processes. It raises questions about how he navigates situations, leveraging both pre-existing traits and remnants of the virus to achieve specific goals. Interplay with Other Characters: The polarized behavior contributes to the intricate interplay between Ruin and other characters, impacting alliances, conflicts, and the overall trajectory of the narrative.

Motivation for Pretending: Desire for Creator's Demise

Pre-Cure Motivation:

Long-standing Desire: Before the supposed cure, Ruin harbored a deep-seated desire for the Creator's death, showcasing a motive that persisted even during the virus-influenced phase. Persistent Goal: The existence of this pre-cure motivation implies an enduring goal that could continue to shape Ruin's actions.

Post-Cure Manipulation: Utilizing Pretense: The theory proposes that Ruin's pretended cured state serves as a tool for manipulation. By pretending to be cured, he strategically navigates situations, potentially working towards the long-standing goal of eliminating the Creator. Strategic Advantage: Ruin's pretended cure is seen as a means to an end, providing him with a strategic advantage in influencing events and furthering his motives.

Utilization in the Narrative: Continuity of Motives: The motivation for the Creator's demise establishes a narrative thread that carries over from Ruin's pre-cure state. This continuity adds depth to his character and contributes to ongoing plot developments. Strategic Plot Advancement: Ruin's pretended cured state becomes a tool for strategic plot advancement. The narrative gains momentum as Ruin's actions, influenced by his desire for the Creator's demise, impact the unfolding events. Interplay with Eclipse's Resurrection: The motivation for eliminating the Creator may intertwine with the events surrounding Eclipse's resurrection, creating a complex web of character motivations and plot dynamics.

Ruin's Connection to the Creator and Eclipse's Kidnapping:

Convenient Circumstances: Questionable Authenticity: The circumstances surrounding Ruin's knowledge of the Creator and his seemingly pre-meditated capture by Eclipse raise doubts about the authenticity of Ruin's claimed cured state. Narrative Suspense: The questionable authenticity adds an element of narrative suspense, prompting exploration into Ruin's true motives and the extent of his influence on unfolding events.

Influence on Eclipse's Actions: Unexplained Kidnapping: Eclipse's unexplained decision to kidnap Ruin, coupled with Ruin's knowledge of the Creator, suggests a potential link between Ruin's actions and Eclipse's choices. Manipulation Possibility: The hints at potential manipulation through triggered commands or pre-meditated actions introduce an intriguing layer to the narrative, raising questions about the nature of Eclipse's motivations.

Inconsistency in Memory Claims: Post-Cure Memory Claims: Ruin asserts having no memories from his time infected with the virus. However, his knowledge and comments about Sun and Moon's Creator appear inconsistent with this claim. Suspicion and Incongruity: The discrepancy raises suspicions about the veracity of Ruin's memory loss, suggesting a potential pretense.

Pre-Meditated Scenario for Creator's Disposal:

Ease of Manipulation: Facilitated by Pretense: The theory proposes that Ruin's pretended cured state creates an environment conducive to manipulating events with greater ease. Strategic Advantage: The pretense enhances Ruin's strategic advantage, allowing him to navigate situations more effectively and influence key characters.

Potential for Creator's Disposal: Tailored Setup: The setup, involving Ruin's pretended cured state and Eclipse's actions, appears tailored for the manipulation of events leading towards the disposal of the Creator. Utilizing Eclipse as a Tool: Ruin's manipulation of events could involve utilizing Eclipse as a tool in a pre-meditated scenario aimed at eliminating the Creator.

Utilization in the Narrative: Strategic Plot Development: The pre-meditated scenario for the Creator's disposal adds layers to the strategic development of the plot. Ruin's actions, driven by his desire for the Creator's demise, become a driving force in the narrative. Character Manipulation: The theory introduces a dynamic where Ruin, through his pretended cured state, manipulates key characters, particularly Eclipse. The narrative explores the impact of this manipulation on character motivations and plot progression. Unveiling Motives: The unraveling of Ruin's motives and the execution of a pre-meditated scenario for the Creator's disposal become pivotal narrative arcs, promising revelations and suspense.

Conclusion:

This is, again, just a collection of theories, analyses, and thoughts on the current developments of Ruin and Eclipse. My brain hurts. I love uh, feedback on my thoughts. Let me know if you agree, disagree, etc.

Want to join the conversation or see my thought process in real time? Well, you're in luck, we have a thread on the Sun and Moon/Security Breach Show Server where we talk about the thoughts in my silly little brain and people ask me questions about said thoughts.

If you made it to the end comment/reblog with the word Dorito.

[mrdairyy]

this may just be because ruin’s sun and moon’s personalities clash during certain situations for example when ruin got back to the daycare after being kidnapped he says multiple times that he doesn’t know what to feel about the situation moon would be angry and try to do something rash (remember that ruin’s sun and moon didn’t make the show so they would act like pre-show sun and moon) while sun would be upset and scared about the situation. These two things would clash causing ruin to be confused on what to feel. Again I could go on and on about it but this post is getting long lol

Part 4 and last part this is a lot better than the giant essay I made lol

[hopperhopski]

Ruin Spoilers Down Below

I have a theory for the elevator ending or what I believe to be the True Ending 

 Gregory, Freddy, and Vanessa caused Cassie’s ‘’death’’. Vanessa decided that she couldn’t leave alive because they will be followed, Gregory believed her and convinced Freddy that this had to be done. Freddy was the one to break the elevator sending the little girl to her ‘’doom’’.

Why them you may ask, well who else could of done this? 

The Mimic couldn’t of killed her, unless you’re trying to tell me that it crawled up to the top of the elevator and snapped the cables in a matter of seconds with only one arm mind you, while pretending to be Gregory as it does this for no purpose other that it’s own amusement. Malhare couldn’t of done it. He only exist inside the glitch dimension, even if he out grew that world why would he stop her from releasing The Mimic or himself into the world, Also again the last words Cassie heard didn’t come from a British child serial killer.

Roxy would never do this to her because Cassie is her number one fan. Eclipse would never harm a child, and never leaves the play area. Chica would be too busy upstairs looking for rotten food, Monty is out of commission. Bonnie is very dead. Freddy would never kill a kid on his own because he can’t even stomach scrapped animatronic parts without Gregory’s insistence. Also none of them can replicate a child’s voice. The Blob doesn’t seem likely because again why would it stop her now instead of earlier in the DLC. The sheer weight of it would be enough to break the elevator sure, but why would it pretend to be Gregory when it’s just going to kill her anyway.

Vanessa by herself doesn't seem likely. She would have to follow the girl all throughout the ruined PizzaPlex silently watching her without the characters knowing and avoid all the deathtraps only to wait till Cassie is in the elevator and finally decide it’s time to kill her as she pretends to be the girl’s only friend. Gregory is a little boy, there is no way he could break an elevator without assistance or think of the idea to kill his only friend because of something that had no way up to the surface because the only exit is what his friend is currently riding in, this had to be planted in his head by someone else.

So in conclusion Freddy, Gregory, and Vanessa were all guilty of ‘’murder’’, but wait there is more, but not in this post it’s getting a little long.

[soda-p0p-sauce]

If Solar (Nice Eclipse) dies imma cry. His trauma is very overlooked in the show- then again he kinda downplays it, only saying his Moon isn’t the nicest and glossing over the events that lead him to leave his AU. If his Moon makes it to the main AU- which is likely- Solar will at best be injured and at worst killed. Let alone what ever Ruin plans- poor Solar-

[acertainevilcreature]

Nice Eclipse is the guy in the dungeon that Bloodmoon mentions

I’m sorry for my rambling but I’ve been thinking about the inconsistency in Eclipse’s knowledge between “Lunars intervention” and “Sun and moon are angry brothers” a lot, and I really wanted to share my thoughts.

All the times Moon has talked to Eclipse on the phone it has not been Eclipse it has been Ruin.

Ruin literally pulled a ruin (dlc).

I could literally go into so many little details that stood out to me as a reference to the ruin (dlc) but I’ll try to keep it short.

On top of the inconsistency, we never see Eclipse physically after “Lunar’s intervention”. Eclipse (just like the Mimic) leads the protagonist(s) into a trap that results in their (cliffhanger) possible death.

Its almost poetic. Just like Cassie heard Candy cadets story yet still opened the door for the monster, Sun and moon played ruin, yet when put in a similar situation they fell for the same trick as Cassie.

Also

Whiles i don’t have any direct evidence for it my best guess for where Eclipse is, is that he’s the guy in the dungeon Bloodmoon mentions, unless it was actually the Creator who kidnapped him.

Ir maybe he’s just of doing his own research somewhere completely unaware of what’s going on, who knows!

[thorns-and-rosewings]

Okay today's episode... Hmmm... While I can understand that Ruin is indeed behind everything I have to wonder really IF it is still the virus making him go crazy, if there's really two personalities in him, which could very well be the case. A real Jekyll and Hyde situation.

Actually have no doubt there's two personalities in there. Remember he was able to say 'I'm sorry' and 'Help me' on several occasions. Either there's a split personality or something else is going on. However I don't think it's quite as straightforward as is being implied here.

I'm wondering... We just learned old Moon is catatonic in our current Moon... If he attempts to infect himself with the virus, could it patch up the old version of Moon and create a whole new problem?

That is a current thought I am having with Ruin. Maybe when he was infected with the virus it latched onto one particular part of him...

...his Killcode...

Would certainly explain his murderous insanity eh? The need to kill in regards to the killcode, but with the playful insanity of Ruin himself.

Perhaps if the virus IS gone, the Killcode in Ruin is likely still active and probably mutated in some way. Resulting in whatever the hell insanity is going on. But I will admit this is an extremely far-fetched theory...

Though I still believe there's more going on here than simply Ruin is faking it.

[distant-eclipses]

Lil secret I think Sun and Moon fans will enjoy

So you know this guy? The one we all swore was Eclipse?

Well, you won't be able to revisit him or the game, cus the arcade machine breaks

But if you wear the rabbit mask and look up for a few seconds...

He's still there

[katkalis-the-horror-fanartist]

Can we see your unshattered design for eclipse? He is so so silly

Ya know it's funny cause I've been drawing him unshattered this entire time, but you made me wonder about his non-broken colors...so I played around with those! Also had to experiment with a sort of "eventide" coloring since I LOVE the theme...

Too bad idk how colors work tho PFFF

Healthy fella!