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#idk the fandom is just awful to her and like there's absolutely no reason to hate her other than she's nice šŸ˜’
loveyazy Ā· 2 months
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Whether you wanna admit it's true or not
the only reason Elain is hated is because, like in every other fandom ever, the feminine, kind, sweet woman is overhated for being "boring" all because she chose to overcome her trauma in a healthy way without turning into a raging bitch who takes out her anger on those around her and shows kindness and love to people instead.
anyways, can't wait for Elain's book and for everyone to see what a badass she truly is. for being strong and amazing when everyone constantly underestimates you
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tsc thoughts while reading (beware of spoilers) starting with -
david wymack my fucking beloved
also i never rlly liked/cared for thea but her scene with jean and her nickname for him was cute
chapter 3 thoughts:
jeremy being in awe of neil and the foxes is giving me life
fanfics with alvarez in them gonna go crazy now that we actually have a first name for her (and donā€™t have to invent one)
oh they rich rich (in reference to jeremyā€™s family butler?!)
jerejean first interaction!!!!
chapter 4:
omg sunshine court mentioned
having the sudden realisation that i can never read fanfics that have jeanā€™s perspective or anything about the how the ravens work, raven!neil/aftermath of the kings men in the same way again
my neighbours are having a party and while iā€™m loving the music and absolutely jealous iā€™m not there, itā€™s really distracting me from reading
ngl i rlly miss neil and andrew and the foxes please let me see my family soon
ā€˜ what you hold onto is less important than the act of holding on itselfā€™ nora sakavic shut the fuck up you philosophical genius iā€™m gonna cry this is so real to me
renee i love u
WIT WTF JEAN IS NINETEEN I DIDNT KNOW THAT OH MY GOD BABY HE JOINED THE RAVEN LINEUP AT SIXTEEN WTF
iā€™m drinking red wine while reading and i think thatā€™s appropriateā€¦ also iā€™m listening to that jean moreau playlist someone made and itā€™s mega depressing https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5zlPt63Ap0AjJQ1Ff5OKrd?si=75oEzLE8SO-bfJwewM8Evw&pi=a-ge04jIlVTJGY
this is so funny to only me but iā€™ve been hyperfixating on one direction again and zayn just dropped new music so everytime i read about jeanā€™s raven roomate zane i think of one direction and confused myself a bit about what fandom iā€™m reading rn
fuck riko u sick fucking fuck u put jean into a box with a singular hole for air and left him to die u fucking cunt
KEVIN ASKING JEAN TO PROMISE NOT TO KILL HIMSELF AFTER NORA WROTE COUNTLESS DRAFTS IN WHICH JEAN KILLED HIMSELF WHILE ON THE PHONE TO KEVIN AND THE ONLY TIME SHE DIDNT KILL JEAN OFF IS THE VERSION SHE PUBLISHED AND THE REASON WE GET TO HEAR HIS STORY TODAY IM SO BROKEN
jeanā€™s ā€˜giftā€™ from the ravens with his broken magnets, blacked out postcards and angry letters is making me cry he deserves so much better
slowly realising that this book is gonna be super triggering lol whoops
a cool evening breeze šŸ„²
THAT CREEPY LITTLE GOALKEEPER IS MY FAVOURITE GUY OK
ā€˜kevin saw nothingn but the court, but jean had stopped hoping for more than that years agoā€™ shut the fuckkkk uppppp i cant do this anymore kevin/jean relationship is so deeply important to me (i say this about everything)
chapter 5:
SECOND NEIL/ JEAN INTERACTION OF THE BOOK IM SO FUCKING EXCITED
ā€˜of course itā€™d be you, you tedious malcontentā€™ ā€˜good morning to you tooā€™ is so ā€˜morning sunshineā€™ ā€˜fuck youā€™ coded (neil and matt bromance confirmed)
the amount of mitski on this jean playlist is making me sick
FUCKING SCREAMING OMFG THIS IS THE JEAN/NEIL CONTENT I YEARN FOR
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ā€˜abominable cockroachā€™ aww jean u say the sweetest things šŸ„°ā¤ļø neil loves u too babe
literally devouring every last scrap of information jean feeds us about neil - his slow, hungry, hateful smile and the madness in his eyes (neil baby i love u never change)
oh jean donā€™t diss aaron, do u know how many fanfics have been written about u two
tsc is confirmation that jean moreau will come into ur house and judge u based on the contents of ur fridge (and then throw out ur stash of lollies)
ā€˜to have a real match as a palate cleanserā€™ jean is really trying to win my favour by borrowing neilā€™s sassiness huh (no wonder i love them so much together) ((and yes i know heā€™s BEEN sassy ok))
jean reaching for the tv screen as if he could save neil and describing andrew running for neil as if hell was on his heels is making me absolutely giddy idk whether to scream or cry iā€™m doing both and iā€™m giggling
I bet on losing dogs is so jean moreau coded omg
holy fuck nora, the moments after the raven/fox match when riko tries to kill neil is fucking amazingly written. reading from jeanā€™s perspective as he watches the game on tv, the tension, the breathless anxiety and confusion of the scene is palpable i coukd fucking taste it, my chest is tight just reading it
JEAN SAYING ANDREW WILL BE COURT IS IMMACULATE
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justapigeonn Ā· 2 months
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the thing i don't understand when ppl try to defend gray wing's constant bootlicking of clear sky is they'll always bring up the argument 'well DUH they're BROTHERS gray wing would never want to believe that clear sky's a bad person!!' but that entire argument goes out the window when you make them remember that gray wing literally threw hands with clear sky upon discovering he'd exiled their younger brother jagged peak after breaking his leg.
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gray wing travels to clear sky's camp to confront him PERSONALLY and when clear sky outright admits that he cast out jagged peak because he was 'weak' and 'no longer useful' to him or the group because of his disability, gray wing's first thought is to get PHYSICALLY VIOLENT with clear sky because he understands how fucked up and selfish his mindset is - and this is only book 1 mind you. he KNOWS that clear sky is willing to abandon those less physically capable than him out of his own selfish interest and physically fights him over it and is still understandably seething over it when he gets home and then we proceed to never reeeally see that side of him towards clear sky again (until one notable scene we'll get to later) even as clear sky gets progressively worse and more violent.
this bit has been discussed time and time again but for the sake of expanding my point - later on in the books when the moor cats come across bumble on the verge of death, gray wing himself and the others hear clear sky sheepishly admit from his own mouth that after finding her alone on his territory starving and desperate, he beat her to the point that she fell unconscious and he left her to her own devices
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clear sky severely downplays the situation and claims to only have given her a 'cuff to the ear' but because we've already witnessed him murdering a mother cat over a simple territorial dispute first hand through the eyes of thunder, the likeliness of this being a lie is almost absolute. and what can gray wing do all while bumble is bleeding to death on the ground and turtle tail mourns her? he worries about how clear sky's reputation might be tarnished in the eyes of the moor cats :( as if that wasn't already the case after his wrongful exile of jagged peak and his unnecessarily aggressive and territorial behaviour. all of a sudden keeping clear sky's name squeaky clean is of the utmost importance to him despite him not really caring about about that at all in the previous book and merely standing up for what was right and giving his brother the piece of mind he deserved.
but ok, what happens when gray wing witnesses clear sky murder a cat with his very own eyes? - not just any cat mind you, but an old tribemate and beloved friend/ally of gray wing. surely he'd believe it and act accordingly right?? yeah!.....
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....for roughly 5 minutes. even CLEAR SKY HIMSELF appears shocked
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later on in the early chapters of the blazing star it's only reinforced
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but yeah while that's all the text i can be bothered to sieve through right now, all in all gray wing had like 2 notable moments standing up to clear sky before resorting to being a spineless apologist for him. we KNOW he is capable of standing up to him and gray wing KNOWS what clear sky is capable of and what he's done but then he switches gears for little known reason. there's compassion and then there's sheer stupidity and gray wing repeatedly displays the latter.
i have no problem with gray wing still retaining some level of nostalgia and love towards clear because at the end of the day, yes, they are brothers they grew up together and were at one point exceptionally close, but that doesn't leave him any right to downplay the god awful things he did and protest when others are rightfully hateful towards clear sky.
anyways stan thunder idk why the fandom was always so adamant about casting him to the side and cultivating a rivalry between the two brothers when thunder was always a far superior foil to clear sky in every conceivable way
also p.s. please don't let me stop you from liking gray wing if you want to this is sheerly an over the top rebuttal to a common argument i see used to defend the author's poor writing choices
peace and love āœŒļøšŸ’ž
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wc-confessions Ā· 3 months
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re: WC misogyny
This is solely to get my thoughts out abt this bc Iā€™m probably not gonna be able to articulate this to the best of my ability but I feel like itā€™s incredibly important to say that these books are pretty damn misogynistic and so was the fanbase for the longest time.
Not saying that to be "throwing the word around without knowing what the word means", because misogyny is defined as a dislike/contempt against women. This can also absolutely be an unconscious bias (which is primarily what I see anyway!) I've seen far more people dismiss these characters while holding up male ones that do similar/worse things (i.e. Thistleclaw primarily but a lot of the MV characters to an extent)
The reason why discussion about sexism usually ends up against cats like Mapleshade, Squirrelflight, Frecklewish, and Nightcloud is primarily due to how the universe of the books is written to chastise these characters while their male counterparts go thru barely half of the shit thrown onto the girls.
Mapleshade gets her kids and herself exiled for breaking the code while Appledusk literally gets a slap on the wrist for breaking the same code she did? The Riverclan leader just tells him "well, you'll not do it again so you don't need to be punished" while Mapleshade doesn't even get to bury her kits. Even if she's the Warrior Cats evil woman that's still really fucked up!? And this goes to Frecklewish as well, who does not watch them drown oh my god. The flood that kills Maple's kits is incredibly loud--saying Freckle would have been able to do anything else OTHER than watch dismisses the fact going to the flooded stones was an idea doomed to fail (of which Mapleshade has a lot of in MV specifically.)
Frecklewish absolutely ended up in the Dark Forest over Oakstar or Ravenwing (who both condemned the kittens to their fate instead of?? idk punishing Maple and not the kits who didn't even know they were half clan?) because of the way the fandom perceived her at the time. Freckle's a lot like Squirrelflight where fandom opinion only recently shifted to people defending those characters--she's pretty awful for calling the same kits she doted on half-clan creatures! But I don't think she deserved to go to cat hell forever when the cat who actually caused those kittens to end up dead (and every other cat in MV!) ends up in Starclan without even so much of a trial.
Speaking of trials--Squirrelflight and Leafpool literally end up almost being sent to CAT HELL for following Starclan's orders. Leafpool ends up having forbidden kits but Starclan goes "it's okay!" until it isn't. Brambleclaw almost being involved in Firestar's fox trap murder never gets mentioned or brought up while both of the girls are questioned about if they even belong in Starclan because they "broke the code and lied"?? There's a pretty damn big bias towards the toms for doing bad/worse actions but Bramble never went to Starclan and had his ticket for heaven almost revoked. Oakstar didn't get put in the Dark Forest because he exiled 3 innocent kits.
I think it's important to note the fandom has a lot of say over how characters like these get interpreted (which is why Nightcloud ended up being hated a lot despite the fact Crowfeather is just. actually abusive to Breezepelt.) That's why I brought up unconscious biases, because I think generally a lot of WC content creators tend to stick to presenting the stories in a more radical/black and white way.
I think the discussion really should be that the books and the stories ARE pretty misogynistic but unconsciously so? A lot of the story beats I mentioned weren't written by just one person, and the Erins have different opinions on these cats than the fans do. That's not me stating an opinion, that's just me saying recognizing that it's very male-oriented IS an issue these books have.
Anyways this got way too wordy, Ashfur is one of my favorite villains so I don't even know why I typed all of this up /j.
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mycandylovefanatics Ā· 5 months
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Lysander headcanons with a pregnant Candy and later on with their kids? Donā€™t know, just live the idea of having a family with my man šŸ˜­šŸ’–
Lysander with pregnant Candy
Lysander is such a caring and considerate father-to-be. Heā€™s always putting your needs before his, and is constantly wondering what he can do to make things easier on you and your body.Ā 
I feel like in the first 0-3 months, he wouldnā€™t mind you working on the farm with him, in fact he would encourage it because the exercise is good for you and in turn good for baby! But when you finally start getting a bump, he really doesnā€™t want you straining yourself. Itā€™s not that he wants to control you, but farm work is a lot! Lots of lifting, pulling, pushing. It could be too much for you so he only lets you take care of the easy stuff, like picking the apples, feeding the animals, etc.
Honestly itā€™s a bit worrisome for you because you wonder if heā€™s getting enough sleep, if heā€™s working too hard. He lets you sleep in as long as you need to because for some reason I feel like his kid would cause you a lottt of fatigue during your pregnancy. He shoulders a lot of the work himself, which is really nothing because he was doing it himself before you moved in.
Always there for you during your mood swings, and knows exactly what you need to feel better. ā€œDo you want me to bring you your favorite blanket? And I can make you some hot cocoa.. Do you want your mug with the kittens or the one with the bunny?ā€ I feel like most husbands would be exasperated after a while but the manā€™s patience is endless. And heā€™s also eternally grateful to you for willingly carrying his children, so in his eyes being patient is the least he can do.
With his kids
When his kid is born, heā€™s obviously there the entire time for the delivery. I feel like he would probably hire people to work on the farm for him while heā€™s gone because he doesnā€™t want to miss a single moment during labor and delivery. He would also probably hire someone to help him out a few times during the week so that way heā€™s able to give you and his newborn his full attention as much as he can.Ā 
Holding his kid for the first time is the happiest heā€™s ever been next to marrying you. He already knew he was in love with his baby but physically seeing them, holding them, kissing their sweet little baby cheeks, itā€™s something he never could have imagined. I think he would be in absolute awe, and he would also be thanking you as well. Heā€™d brush your hair out of your face, wipe the sweat off if need be and kiss you sweetly on the lips, ā€œThank you, my love. This is the greatest gift youā€™ve given me, sheā€™s perfect. Youā€™re perfect.ā€
And yes, I say she because I 1000% headcanon Lysander to be a girl dad, I think most of the fandom does. Heā€™s so soft with her too. Not that he was ever an aggressive man but god the way that heā€™s so gentle with her. If the baby isnā€™t with you, you can find her cradled in her fatherā€™s arms, him whispering to her how much he adores her, probably even softly singing to her. Heā€™s huge on skin to skin contact so heā€™s always shirtless nowadays lol.Ā 
When the baby is a bit older, whenever sheā€™s old enough to start actually comprehending the world around her heā€™s constantly teaching her new things. Words, numbers, animals, and he speaks to her as if sheā€™s a full grown adult sometimes. Itā€™s so funny.
I feel like Lysander would absolutely get matching clothing with his kid. You bet your behind theyā€™ve got a matching color palette. Heā€™s wearing a green cravat, sheā€™s wearing green hair bows. That sorta thing. He also has immaculate fashion sense for his child, so unless you want your kid ruining all of their nice clothes do not let him dress the kid. ā€œLysander weā€™re going to the park, why is she wearing the 200 dollar dress my aunt bought for her??ā€ I mean reallyā€¦ have you SEEN the way he dresses? Idk why we expected anything less. Leave it to him and sheā€™s leaving the house dressed to the 9ā€™s every time. He thinks itā€™s the cutest thing ever.
Is probably what you would call a ā€˜gentle parentā€™. He never, EVER raises his voice at her, and even when heā€™s frustrated heā€™s really good at keeping his cool and handling whatever outbursts she decides to have that day. Heā€™s soft, but if sheā€™s being bad heā€™s very stern with her and is surprisingly good at holding his foot down even though sheā€™s got him wrapped around his finger.Ā 
Is definitely a good parent in all stages of his kidā€™s life. Toddler, child, preteen, etc. Not that your kid doesnā€™t trust you but if sheā€™s in trouble or needs something sheā€™s ABSOLUTELY going to call her dad first. Itā€™s like heā€™s waiting by the phone just in case she calls because he always answers on the first ring no matter what.Ā 
Something i headcanon about him as a parent is that he is neverrrr going to make you look like the bad parent, ever. If you make a decision, heā€™ll stand by you. If he disagrees with it heā€™s going to wait to talk to you in private, and THEN talk to your kid with you as a team. Heā€™s very much an ā€˜on your sideā€™ husband and i love that.Ā 
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My fave marauders ships and dynamics as a multi-shipper !! Ok so, there are certain ships I like to imagine as canon in the canon universe, and there are other ships that I prefer in aus and such but still ship them so much!! So I thought Iā€™d just ramble abt them here lol.
My fave ships that are canon/I think I should be endgame:
First off, Jily ofc. My loves. Iā€™m generally not super excited abt str8 couples but theyā€™re just too cute. My fave dynamic with them is that theyā€™re academic rivals ā€” well at least lily thinks they are, James is just hopelessly in love with her and enjoys competition lol. Lily thinks heā€™s an idiot, immature and a bit of a bully at first but slowly warms up to him as she sees his kind-heartedness and stance on justice. Plus, sheā€™s always found him a little hot :)
Wolfstar, duh. I donā€™t think I have to go into detail coz I already do so much on my blog lol.
Dorlene ā€” aaah I love my tragic, angsty lil lesbians. Sucker for the quidditch-rivals-to-lovers trope. Ooh and i headcanon Dorcas as transfem. But yeah if youā€™ve read ā€˜the hands that feedsā€™ by rollercoasterwords thatā€™s basically how I see their dynamic.
Fralice ā€” cuties and did not deserve the ending they got ;((
Rosekiller ā€” ok, ok. I know Iā€™ve ranted abt how I donā€™t like the fanonization of their characters in fandom,, but I will admit I do like them together. Especially when theyā€™re depicted as the awful people they are lol. I like to think that theyā€™re still hooking up in GoF on nights where bartyā€™s poly juice wears off lmaoo. Also random but I hc Barty to be in ravenclaw.
Pandora x Xenophillius (idk how to spell his name) ā€” I like to imagine Pandora as a goth who runs an underground magical weed business and Xeno as a hippie weirdo and conspiracy theorist. Both are bi/pan tho and have def hooked up with ppl of the same gender before.
Andromeda x Ted Tonks ā€” iconic. Love them. Andy was the og rebellious black family child.
Emmary ā€” love, love this ship. For context, I picture Emmaline as a little older than Mary (maybe 2 or 3 years) and they meet when Emā€™s at the order. Maryā€™s a bisexual girlie whoā€™s predominantly been with men at this point, and Emā€™s a big Butch lesbian who loves Mary so much but isnā€™t sure if Mary likes her back, at first. Ofc they end up together after the first war but when Em wants to join the second war, Mary oblivates herself and retreats to the muggle world entirely because she cannot bear more pain.
My fave ships that I like to think are semi-canon, as in their unrequited, or right person wrong time, or both have feelings that the other doesnā€™t know ā€” they just donā€™t workout for some reason:
First off, Marylene ā€” my absolute fave, right person, wrong time ship. Love the whole, ā€˜Marlene loved her too early, Mary loved her too late ideaā€™. Iā€™m a sucker for best friends to lovers ahhh. I imagine that Marls had crush on Mary since they were eleven and came out to her later, and although Mary was supportive she didnā€™t like her back at that point. Then Marls got with Dorcas and maybe Mary got a tad bit jealous. And then Marlene was killed ofc so Mary moved on and went with Emmaline, but she never really stopped loving Marlene.
Nobleflower ā€” bi narcissa and Alice rights!! I like to think that they had a bit of a homoerotic friendship back in their hogwarts years, but the fact that they were on opposite sides eventually pulled them apart. And so Alice gets with Frank and Narcissa with Malfoy. Aaah so tragic I love them
Lily x Remus ā€” I like to think Lily had a little crush on Remus when they were younger but she got over it and they became besties !!
Bellatrix / Lady Zabini ā€” Toxic murder comphet lesbians!! Tho I imagine they ā€˜broke upā€™ their fling coz Bellatrix was murdering with pure blood fascism in mind,,, and lady Zabini was just like,, why canā€™t we just kill ppl for the sake of killing them?? šŸ„ŗšŸ„ŗ
Jegulus ā€” ok so I donā€™t like jegulus as a canon(ish) ship, buuut I love me some unrequited jegulus, specifically from Regulusā€™ side coz sorry I just personally donā€™t see James ever liking Reg in canon. I imagine Reg goes into hogwarts wanting to hate the guy who stole his brother but ends up falling for him just the same. He has internalised homophobia and hates the fact that heā€™s gay, esp for someone like James lol.
Bartylus ā€” My hc is that neither of them liked each other romantically, but they settled and got off each other to pass time. Itā€™s transactional, at least itā€™s starts off being..maybe bartyā€™s a little more into it than reg thinks they are.
Peter/Bertha Jorkins ā€” I like to imagine they dated for awhile during hogwarts ā€” until Bertha got bored of him and dumped him. Peter never really got over it and was still bitter.
Peter/Sybil ā€” oooh I remember this one was trending on marauders tik tok awhile back but Iā€™m still not over it. Happens after Bertha/Peter. Sybil breaks up with Peter maybe coz she gets a prophecy that he becomes evil. Peter is confused and heartbroken.
Snily ā€” ok hear me out!! I donā€™t care for their portrayals in a lot of fics coz I think the pro / anti Snape bias is always there ā€” but I would be open to exploring the complexity of their dynamic in a fic when snapes actions arenā€™t justified or excused, but heā€™s not portrayed as a one dimensional bad guy. And I think it would be interesting to explore more of Lilyā€™s character and why she stuck by him so long.
Ok, now onto ships that I only enjoy in aus:
Marylily/macevans ā€” by far my fave ship in aus. Best friends to lovers >>>> also half the marauders edits saved on my phone are marylily edits lmaoo theyā€™re just so cute!!
Jegulus ā€” requited this time!! If itā€™s an au and James is not reduced to a generic sunshine people pleasing character, then theyā€™re a little cute Iā€™ll admit. Not the biggest fan of the 'best friend's brother' trope but the drama is entertaining at least.
Mary/Dorcas ā€” I donā€™t think theyā€™re a very popular on here but I personally like it. In a way theyā€™re opposites but theyā€™re motivations are a lot more similar than they realise.
Pandalily ā€” so, so cute. Fanart is spectacular
Dorlily ā€” so academic rivals to lovers coded
Prongsfoot ā€” specifically in aus where James and Sirius are on opposing sides, for example, slytherin!Sirius au
Wolfstarbucks ā€” James and sirius share everything!! Including their lovers apparently. Mostly enjoy it as a crack ship tho.
Well this was fun!! I love multi-shipping <33
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hazshit-hotel-hater Ā· 2 months
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Ok a rant about Cerri bomb and how much I HATE her
In the addict music video she was a very supportive friend of Angel and I loved her in the pilot! I wish we got that supportive best friend to Angel in the final product, but unfortunately she is a woman in a vivziepop show.
Sheā€™s AWFUL now I canā€™t stand her, the way she tried to make Angel relapse was so weird like pilot cherri wouldnā€™t do that! I also really dislike her design it has to be one of my personal least favourites (not the bottom though nothing is worse than alastors design to me) she isnā€™t enjoyable to watch anymore she had potential if sheā€™d only been introduced earlier! Imagine if she was introduced in episode 4 and played the supportive friend she was originally supposed to be!
And GOD I hate her ship with pentious, it was SO RUSHED, so poorly done and the ship isnā€™t very ā€œso cute and in love!!ā€ When you remember she showed literally NO interest in him until Angel brought up that he has 2 dicks, and this is supposed to be a romantic relationship we CARE about.
Cherri didnā€™t need a romantic relationship she needed CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT we needed to get to know her! If youā€™ve only seen the show and no other Hazbin media at all (which shouldnā€™t be required you should be able to get all your info FROM THE SHOW) youā€™d barely know anything about her character or who she is. I wish we got pilot cherri bomb, and that she got a design update, and that her and pentā€™s relationship was either taken slower or didnā€™t happen at all
You silly little creature you, you have me writing in my notes app instead of Tumblr because Iā€™m about to go crazy!
Cherri Bomb. More like Cherri what the hell happened
Anyway Iā€™m gonna tackle this one thing at a time, and also forgive me if I word something weird I just woke up an hour ago at the time of writing this.
First thing, design: I personally quite like her design since it very loosely reminds me of Iris from Ruby Gloom with ofc the one eye, the very rowdy personality and kind of the hair, but those are very broad design choices and its just me remembering some random girl I thought was silly but like Iris did it better.
Okay now second thing and then we go into literally everything else: My blog has been an angry pit of despair for everything in Episode 6 as of recent so letā€™s tap into that again šŸ¤ just a little. I am going to give my classic centrist opinion and say I donā€™t mind Cherri Bomb all that much but I absolutely get why people dislike her, and I mean this in the kinda way as people who dislikeā€¦ Idk Fukuchi from BSD. WILD jump in fandoms but gimme a second. I canā€™t 100% say that Cherri Bomb in the pilot was better than the series since we have no idea if maybe for some reason she was intended to be like that offscreen, but judging by the pilot and ā€œAddictā€ alone, itā€™s very unlikely. I could see her maybe being a bad influence at times and being like ā€œLoosen up dude weā€™re in hell and its Fridayā€ or something (idk if they have Friday in hell but everyday is probably Monday šŸ„) but overall I feel like sheā€™d end up apologising for it. However on the other side of things, I can understand why Cherri did that in Episode 6. Of course not to say this is okay, but Cherri is still very clearly not in the ā€œredemptionā€ mindset. Sheā€™s happy the way she is and is really only focused on certain aspects of issues. We see her comfort Angel in ā€œAddictā€ but thats basically the extent of it. Cherriā€™s definition of ā€œself-careā€ seems to be less of actually taking care of yourself and more like just letting go and having fun instead which really only gives a momentary fix to the issue, much like how substances can be abused. Do you kinda see what im getting at? Cherri offering Angel drugs while heā€™s trying not to relapse is not okay, full stop. But her reasoning as to why makes a bit of sense for her purpose in the show which is honestly not much, since, as you said, she is a woman in a Vivziepop show.
To my knowledge Cherri is like 30-ish years younger than Angel Dust in Hell experience so sheā€™s likely not reached a point where sheā€™s gotten tired of how things work, as well as the fact we donā€™t really have much of an idea on her backstory aside from that random shot in ā€œAddictā€ of that guy in a puddle??? But generally she seems to be in a better position than Angel is, so there isnā€™t really any reason for her to want to change, yknow? I will say I do like exploring characters that are good friends while still being bad influences at times, but Iā€™m going to be honest I feel like thats really not what Angel needs right now. I wouldnā€™t be as pissy about it if she did end up apologising afterwards (Iā€™m just gonna headcanon she did for my sanity) but even then as Angelā€™s friend we donā€™t know likeā€¦ anything about her. I wouldā€™ve really liked to get some kind of callback to the pilot where Cherri mentions she thought Angel was dead until the random Sir Pentious turf war, and maybe we could see her actually being worried about Angel again instead of those 3 frames in ā€œAddictā€, but Hazbin is rushed and I guess we donā€™t have time for that. And also YES it wouldā€™ve been great to see her in Episode 4 and actually doing something but again, Vivziepop is boring.
Going forward I would really like to see Cherri, if not become a patron, at least try to be a better friend and sure if she wants to keep doing stuff she can keep doing it, but just donā€™t encourage other people to relapse. It is very simple.
SIR PENTIOUS! About Sir Pentious, this is going to be incredibly short. I donā€™t hate the ship but also Iā€™m not really crazy about any of the Hazbin Hotel ships? I also donā€™t really hate any except for the genuinely horrid ones but thats basic sense. I absolutely agree with you, Cherri does not need a romantic interest. Romance doesnā€™t always = growth and growth should not always = romance. She needs some genuine character TLC and I hope to god she gets some in season 2. Weā€™ve only seen a few minutes of her so I have yet to give a firm opinion, but as of now Iā€™m just hoping they do something actually interesting with her instead of just alluding to Sir Pentious ship. Also the penis thing. 1. What was that, and 2. It made me and my friends briefly pause to sex Sir Pentious and come to the conclusion he is likely transgender/hj
TLDR; Please give us a fun Cherri Bomb again. ā˜¹ļø
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teyamsatan Ā· 10 months
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Hi x i wanted to talk about something that has happened to me recently, because i feel like it needs to be addressed lol. I would have never considered talking about it if the person in question had had an ounce of maturity and respect, but she obviously doesnā€™t, and itā€™s my reputation on the line and my fault for expecting it hahahah.
So a few days ago, the whole Jake is Jacob debacle happened on tumblr, which to me was cute and harmless and fun. Now some people really feel the need to bring other people down and prove (to themselves only, letā€™s be honest) how ā€œsuperiorā€ and ā€œintelligentā€ they are, so she started making fun and basically insulting the OP of the post, which really upset me. I didnā€™t say anything about it and quietly unfollowed the person, because if i find content I disagree with, that is (to me) the only way to approach the situation.
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Anyway, later, i was made aware that she continued trash talking people in the fandom, continuing this tired narrative that despite being the one to initiate it, she was the ā€œvictimā€ bullied by ā€œkidsā€, which i resented, for a couple of reasons.
1. Ageism is ageism no matter the form it comes in. It is no different to shit on a person just for being young and minding their business, than it is to do so with people who are older.
2. Iā€™m tired of the ā€œi was here first and therefore i am inherently better than youā€ stupid narrative. You donā€™t get a cookie cause you found something sooner, pls PLEASE understand that.
3. The ā€œeveryone is so youngā€ bs is simply not true. I am the same age as her, so are some of my mooties or just a couple years older, and weā€™re all here, and weā€™re all trying to have a good time, and thatā€™s what matters. None of us are out here flaunting our age or our maturity, because it is inconsequential.
4. Saying to someone that their ā€œpre-frontal cortexā€ isnā€™t fully developed, is fucking ridiculous. What a stupid argument. Youā€™re really going to insult someone for something they have reasonably absolutely no control over and try to use it as an insult against them? Girlie, in 2023? Do you understand how stupid that is? You think youā€™re superior cause your mum pushed you out a few years earlier like you had anything to do with it??? Like idk that is wild to me.
5. You canā€™t insult people on here for ā€œbeing young and dumbā€ and how much ā€œbetterā€ and ā€œmore matureā€ you are, and then in the same breath pick a fight with them and be willing to die on that hill. Because if you have any sort of common sense, that would imply that you must be succumbing to their levels and you are not capable of having any higher level discourse. Like how do you not see that that you're just proving to everyone how immature you truly are?
So, i wrote her an ask. Not on anon, not trying to start anything, just an ask telling her my opinion and telling her that as someone who is the same age as her, her behaviour is disappointing.
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Now i need you to see the message because she wonā€™t show it to you, because she wants to build this narrative that people are ā€œharassingā€ her. Please note that nobody is ā€œharassingā€ her. If i wanted to harass her, I could and I would not do it with my username intact. I wanted to her to understand the opinion (that i share with my friends and mooties) of someone whoā€™s the same age as her. She wonā€™t answer it because she knows there is no way to spin this in her favour.
Instead, what she can do, is what she does best. Trying to spin this negatively, insulting me and my writing (youā€™re 26 and the best you could come up with is ā€œgod awful cringey ass ficsā€? ouch, that hurt.) and tagging it ā€œneteyam imagineā€ cause what person who wants to read neteyam fics doesnā€™t want to see that. Now again, she is blocked for me because I absolutely do not want to engage with people like her, but i was made aware of this and since sheā€™s talking about me and could potentially come to peopleā€™s inboxes or dms and talking trash about me, i wanted you besties to know and to read everything and make your own minds about it, having all the information, not just what she deems appropriate to give you.
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Anyway, sorry for this long ass rant, but it needed to be said. Please, if you donā€™t agree with someone, especially if itā€™s over something so incredibly trivial as a name, let it go. Itā€™s not worth it. If itā€™s something not trivial, block. Itā€™s not worth it. Insulting someone for things they have no control over doesnā€™t put you on top, it makes you a dick. Acting like youā€™re inherently better cause youā€™ve been in a fandom longer isnā€™t cool, trust me. Just please, save your energy and put it in your art, in your job, in your relationships, in yourself.
Now, i will go write my cringey ass fics šŸ˜‰ good luck besties, and smooches.
ALSO!!! DO NOT engage with this person. PLEASE. Please do not prove her right. Please do not leave her anon hate or anything of the sort, please please please. Itā€™s not worth it.
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dr3amofagame Ā· 3 months
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i hate the fandoms interpretation of c!eret. and especially the fandoms interpretation of c!erets relationship with foolish. this idea that they're forbidden lovers and eret is a perfect moral person drives me up a fucking wall. foolish died for her and then she literally never goes to see him, genuinely her character was more interesting when she was willingly to play the villain. now it's just this kinda boring person who did one bad thing and refused to own it, instead shoving it onto dream. i like her being kind of awful, it's more fun that way
c!eret's "one bad thing" was never even portrayed at the time as being something they did for bad reasons either it's kind of breathtaking to me. like c!eret literally makes a decision to turn to the other side of a WAR because they thought it was the best bet for peace and that lmanburg was a lost cause bc they were the single person preparing for the battle and c!wilbur was nowhere in sight. which? like? fair fucking enough? it's a war? idk people expect the war to involve people "playing fair" in ways that are really hard for me to conceptualize like "they killed people!" well yeah no shit it was a WAR
like, id say c!eret's behavior after the independence war was kinda worse than the actual final control room in terms of like, actually just being a dick instead of making a hard decision for reasonable reasons when a war was on the horizon and they had to pick a side yaknow. and even then, c!eret is soundly a victim of the lmanburg post-revolution narrative, holy shit? c!wilbur had it OUT for her man. like honestly save c!eret they got so brainwashed by the narrative created to demonize them and scapegoat them that they ended up convinced that they had to flay themselves alive to repent for it and it was like LITERALLY THE MOST REASONABLE DECISION THEY COULDVE MADE AT THAT TIMEEEE like sure it was kinda selfish but what part of lmanburg wasnt fuck my life
like c!eret's "wrongs" that theyre killing themselves the whole time trying to be forgiven for arent even really wrongs it was a WAR . and meanwhile theyre also doing shit like TAKING PEOPLE ON TOURS TO LOGSTEDSHIRE TO TELL THEM ABOUT HOW A TEENAGER ALMOST KILLED HIMSELF ??? AND THIS WAS THEIR GOOD GUY ERA ????? absolutely insane to me.
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okay like being entirely honest i absolutely adore homelander i think he's stunning and i love the content people make for him but like... something that kinda bothers me and stops me from being able to fully enjoy homelander smut especially is the fact that he's literally a r*pist? and the way he treats women in the show is appalling i don't even care if it's the influence of trauma in his life it still makes me feel really uncomfortable..... idk it's just been on my mind recently since i've only recently been actively engaged with the fandom.
and like the whole butcher x homelander thing is really cute and the art for it is great and the memes are funny and whatever, but at the same time...... HL literally sa'd the love of butcher's life and constantly endangers the life of her son, and butcher has committed his life to destroying him....idk i just think about it whenever i see any homelander content. it's sad though. i have to catch myself whenever i find myself liking him too much because i have to remind myself how awful he is.
of course this isn't meant to hurt anyone who makes/enjoys the content!! but.... hmph. idk. does any of that make sense lmao?
Well, Anon, Iā€™m not sure what you mean by ā€œfully enjoyā€. Everyoneā€™s mileage may vary and youā€™re not obligated to like all content for a character or pairing.
ā€œThe whole butcher x homelander thing is really cuteā€
Ha! Well it can be, but I think thereā€™s always an undercurrent of LOL DARK in this pairing. Most people in Butchlander fandom seem to have a morbid streak of humor and most are pretty sober about the fact that this is enemy slash with a good reason to be enemies (at least for one side). It helps that Billy Butcher is no saint, it helps that HL has an unusual backstory, but if you donā€™t like reading about bad people getting it on, you probably wonā€™t like it.
There are a few writers that I know who just outright reject the r*pe part of show canon (not my preference, but you can indulgently hc whatever you want, anon, no one is stopping you).
Personally: Homelander is not only a rapist, but does a lot of other bad shit too. The fics I enjoy the most are probably ones where his warped logic and skewed values are depicted explicitly, actually, and where heā€™s put into bad enough straits to re-examine some of that. My indulgent saccharine hc is that the effects of being raised in a lab as a weapon can be at least partially undone by tough but genuine loveā€” yes, precisely from a person HL has hurt, where the love is definitely not transactional, rather than from Vought personnel to whom heā€™s bringing benefit and profits. ā€¦ And that Billy would ever provide that, given particular sets of circumstances šŸ˜…
Fics that that have made me uncomfortable (and I still read them lol): ones where HL brutally r*pes Billy (basically Billy Butcher whump for having the hubris to think he could defeat a supe), and ones where HL enters a relationship with Billy having r*ped and/or outright murdered Becca and Billy doesnā€™t know about it (to me this is the most disturbing, heh, makes HL more evil than he is on the show).
As for artā€¦ a picture is worth a thousand words, and a thousand words isnā€™t going to be able to address all intricacies, so youā€™re even more free to hc whatever backstory you want onto a piece.
TL;DR you can enjoy this pairing to whatever capacity you find enjoyable. I think you should also give yourself some slack and enjoy things that youā€™re naturally drawn to that may not be morally upright, but thatā€™s just my opinion :)
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dappersautismcreature Ā· 6 months
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i absolutely love bbh and i see where you're coming from totally when you're frustrated with red team's grudge against him. it's frustrating when watching from bbh's perspective because yeah. he is just playing the game, he's trying to save his kids, he's merciful when he can be and is very polite. so i totally understand the frustrations bc it seems like others hate him for completely unfair reasons.
but from the red team's perspective- they do not actually think he is evil. Like they fully understand why he's doing what he's doing and don't really actually hate him. it's just a bit that they're running with. The "badboyhalo is our specter of death, our mortal enemy" is really just a funny thing they are doing.
They're not really super focused on lore rn so i think the conflict gets rough though, with q!Bad having such strong roleplay motivations and the red team kinda just messing around rn and having fun. Their plan right now is to just play and wait for lore clues to pop up so they can figure out what REALLY must be done.
also the agreement with ElQuackity wasn't even about BBH or the Blue team at all, i think the players just wanted Green to have a win for motivation.
feel free to delete or ignore this ask tho i just wanted to say this stuff bc maybe the grudge would seem less unfair and personal idk
have a lovely evening and viewing experience
no no nonnie <3 this helped a lot actually
just wanna say every time even if its someone disagreeing with me i love getting you guys to come discuss things in my inbox (makes me feel like a part of this community)
this helped because i heard that green and red were teaming bad, which again isnt awful, i can totally see a fun way for it to play out, i just get flashbacks to people saying that bad deserved to be caged back during that arc. like if red and green team just obliterate bad i dont want them to be seen as perfect angels for doing so, you know?
im also looking forward to green possibly winning today (even though i think blue has been doing some great stuff lately, but im biased lmao)
basically, i get the grudge, i just dont like how some chatters, some people on twitter, and the rare person here takes it like it has actual needed weight to it, and that its not just their characters holding onto a grudge a bit too hard.
i am also almost always on the defensive because I Know how people hold jaiden, cellbit, slime, and foolish (and philza argh) to this 'perfect angel' standing while they decimate bad for doing something even slightly morally questionable, while idk, foolish is a cop, jaiden literally ignores how cucurucho tortured her friends, cellbit killed several innocent people, slime.. idk slime's pretty chill, and philza,, is lowkey a bystander sometimes.
sorry for the kinda rant <3 love u nonnie. just know i get where theyre coming from, im more preparing for the worst when it comes to the fandom interpretations
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lost-tardis-room Ā· 1 month
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Hi! 13, 18, and 25 for the fandom ask :)
ohhhhhhhh hohohohoh thank you hehe
13 - worst blorboficiation
crowley good omens šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ like guys i love him too i think he's a great but he is not a perfect little cinnamon roll who fell for no reason and ohhh aziraphale treats him so bad and ohhhh little baby demon so sad uwu ITS JUST HGNSHANGSHANSHAN i think he should do something actually really properly demonic and awful in canon so people stop doing that šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ sorry thats harsh i know. like there so much good analysis of his character out there but then there's also A Lot of people who just immediately rush to smol bean him. and like yeah he does have it pretty bad but like. i think fandom tries to portray it as A Whole Lot Worse for angst value. and he's either super sexy or cartoonishly grumpy???? like??? idk man. sorry this is really mean hopefully i dont actually offend anyone i love crowley guys i promise i think he's fantastic.
18 - it's absolutely criminal that fandom has been sleeping on...
DOCTOR WHO NEW SERIES ADVENTURES these books are sooooo goooddddddddd there so much Extra Lore! i love doctor who and its Extra Lore!! the new series adventures are so much fun and a lot of them have the character dynamics done so well - i can reccomend a few specifics if you like, a lot of them are on internet archive or i can send you a drive link lol but the character writingggggggggggggggg ALSO the novelisations!! again, its the extra bits and lore that couldnt really have fit in the episode that gets added in, and what they were all thinking. the one for rose is really good, and the one for the waters of mars
25 - common fandom complaint you're sick of hearing
hmmm the first thing that came to mind was people tacking on 'she deserved better' in the tags of Every Single Post About Martha Jones Ever cos i think its stopping people engaging properly with her character? like she did deserve better but you can still like her. she's still super cool and her character is very interesting. but i think the main one is people saying thirteen was badly written or they didnt like the timeless child or the flux was badly made, respectfully I DONT CARE :D. I LOVE THIRTEEN I THOUGHT THE TIMELESS CHILD STUFF WAS FASCINATING AND COOL. the flux was kinda confusing i will admit but I STILL LIKED IT. THIRTEEN IS COOL OK I LOVE HER SHE'S BRILLIANT. i dont care if her writing was a bit weird i know in my heart she was so much more than we got to see. and thasmin was perfectly fine. they could've kissed yeah but i think it fits their personalities that they didnt. so yeah.
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letstrywritingmaybe Ā· 8 months
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Iā€™m behind on reading/commenting ugh. I did read one of the fics that updated but it made me sad. But like it wasnā€™t even really a sad fic, it was more open.
This is getting angry and ranty so Iā€™m hiding it under the cut
But idk Iā€™m just so so so tired of my queen being given the short end of the stick. Again itā€™s why I hella overcompensate and make him suffer. But itā€™s v annoying to me that he can do whatever and my queen will still love him? Fuck that bullshit. Iā€™m sick of it. Iā€™m sure itā€™s cause Iā€™ve never been in romantic love so I donā€™t get it, but if thatā€™s what itā€™s like I donā€™t want to understand. All these stories I hear of women staying in toxic relationships where as the men are always able to leave their shituationship and find better matches, is so difficult for me to wrap my head around. This is just in regards to the people in my real life and from some podcasts I listen to (and social media shit) but I swear the percentage is heavily skewed to women trying to save their shitty relationship while the men are able to break out of it.
Anyways, yeah itā€™s why I absolutely loathe fics where heā€™s a scumbag and my queen suffers but ultimately he gets to keep her. First that seems very ooc to me, but I also write him ooc too but just way opposite from that. So I guess whatever. But again I ask why must my queen suffer? Hasnā€™t she suffered enough? Why are we putting her through all this bullshit and tearing her down and making her believe she can only love this one man? Is this supposed to be romantic? Like what? Like oh wow, guess sheā€™s so fucking lucky he decided to choose her after fucking around and being an absolute dick. Grody.
I swear Iā€™m just too American or at least too much of a Vegas gal to be okay with this. Because I see this shit so much in fics and irl I am fucking terrified of it happening to me. To lose my complete sense of self for an underserving asshole who makes me question love? I would rather die. Like kill me please. Cause if thereā€™s anything I know, itā€™s love. Iā€™m Lots of Love for crying out loud! All forms of it! Itā€™s not just romantic, but the rest of the world seems to think itā€™s the only one that matters. And I know Iā€™m guilty of that too, cause I am to my core a hopeless romantic. But when it is pure. Not this brainwashed mess where men can be whores but women arenā€™t allowed to even look at another person.
Back on my fuck first love being the only love bullshit. I fucking hate this trope when it applies to only women. Not super fond of it with men either, but thatā€™s more of a dig at my main fandom I canā€™t even enjoy anymore.
Would love to read a fic where sheā€™s the player instead of him and itā€™s perfectly fine. Make him the one who wonders for fucking once. Does she love him? Maybe. Is she enjoying her life and fucking around? Absolutely and as she should! Not caring that sheā€™s stringing him along cause heā€™s the back up that she knows she can always go back to, and maybe she does actually love him. Go figure.
Some days I get so angry I just want to write a fuck you fic, but also I donā€™t cause I hate writing and I have too many other projects I would rather finish so I never have to write again. But then I think about having to read these fics and noping out or sticking it out and being pissed even though I knew where it was going and I would hate it. And Iā€™m like hella judgey but at least Iā€™m not an awful person who leaves rude comments for a fic not meant for me. Yeah if you do that shit youā€™re a fucking asshole and I want nothing to do with you.
I didnā€™t intend to start this post off so angry, and now I donā€™t even remember my main reason for trying to make an update here. Iā€™ve just annoyed myself and I need to leave or else Iā€™ll be too tired for my hopeful boost of serotonin tomorrow (or today rather). Iā€™m probably just irritated from being at the airport like all day. I love traveling but some airports and airlines suck.
Anyways main point, let Shiho bejeweled! Donā€™t keep her locked up in the basement! Sheā€™s a diamond, so let her shine damn it!
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Agreed on avaā€™s vibes
not my main hc for her (tho honestly my main hc for her is just that regardless of gender identity she likes called beatriceā€™s boyfriend/girlfriend/husband, etc, as long as sheā€™s being called beatriceā€™s, and sheā€™s well, nonbinary, no other notes beyond that)
but i love hcing ava as a transmasc woman, simply because transmasc women & transfemme men are such underrated genders
and fuck, now iā€™m getting teary eyed over the thought of beattice getting to just getting to be and experience gender euphoria and/or contentment
beatrice handing out treats on halloween for the trick or treaters, some kid being like ā€œthanks uh-ā€œ and struggling as they try to guess how theyā€™re supposed to gender bea
ā€œthanks maā€™am-sir? miss? mister?ā€ beatrice impulsively shrugging for ? reason, the kid taking it as some sort of cue and finally settling on ā€œthanks mister!ā€ or ā€œthanks mister-miss!ā€ and beatrice canā€™t stop smiling for the rest of the night
also same hat on the autistic bit, will be sure to check out that fic soon, and also please do elaborate on the autistic beatrice thoughts šŸ‘€
i love how autistic vibes beatrice is, not just in the show but in many stuff by the fandom as well, my fav fics are the ones where the autistic beatrice vibes are ^1000
Also yeah, lilith is so nd, love how her story can be so easily read as a metaphor for autism
like lilithā€™s line about her mother ā€œbeing unable to accept the reality of the woman in front of herā€, sounds an awful lot like a convo between an autistic child & their ableist parent
lilith being successful but being rejected bc she isnā€™t fitting this unobtainable ideal (being the warrior nun/being neurotypical) that sheā€™s literally died for
seeing & experiencing the world differently (being nd/lilithā€™s wraith vision), being obviously different from others (being nd/lilith being a demon), desperately trying and failing to repress those differences
but then accepting them making you better than ever (no longer trying to be neurotypical/lilith accepting the demon stuff)
and then aside from the obvious ways lilithā€™s arc can be read as an allegory, lilithā€™s whole šŸ§ā€ā™€ļø(menacingly) energy she has so often in the show
like girl obviously has absolutely no idea what to do with herself when sheā€™s not being a menace and it shows
also i saw her dragging her nails and doing yhe nail clack thing on the walls of arc tech and then her noticing what sheā€™s doing and being like šŸ˜§ as her subconsciously stimming and it bothering her because sheā€™s used to, supposed to repress those behaviors, but then ever since she came back from the dead, she canā€™t do the repression anymore, in more ways/aspects than one, and stuff like her stimming & neurodivergency is one of em
like yeah ik she was šŸ˜§ about the demon claws ig, but no reason it canā€™t be both
i am kind of drawn to the idea that Ava expresses her gender in relation to things/people. like yes, absolutely - she is with Beatrice in any (every) capacity.
but also that she approaches gender as something nebulous and shifting and as complicated as dressing sometimes in really feminine clothes because for so long she basically wore a hospital gown so dressing up and having that experience of getting dressed up as a teenager, the weird giddiness of girls sharing their clothes and their accessories and going ā€˜ah shit, this does look better on youā€™ - *strips the shirt off and flings it across the room unceremoniously* & also sometimes Ava dressing in a shirt and a suit jacket and looking masc and handsome & really just existing as herself, orbiting gender elipitically so sometimes sheā€™s closer or further away or curving dramatically thru space.
picking the male avatar in video games bc she likes the animation better. being just really drawn to long-haired Link in Breath of the Wild. like yeah, Avaā€™s relation to gender as ā€˜idk?ā€™ but in a typically Ava way which is also somehow effortlessly compelling & honest & true.Ā 
tearing up at the image of Bea giving out halloween candy with Ava next to her going ā€˜make them sing a songā€™ but Beatrice just giving way too much to each person & complimenting their costumes and taking whatever form of address comes her way which - yes - varies wildly bc sheā€™s rocking short hair & half the time comes to the door with the hood of her hoodie pulled up (by Ava, who is doing ā€˜hood surprise attacksā€™ in the spirit of halloween). the peacefulness of that image & gender as peacefulā€¦
gender + autism being so good and Beatrice getting to escape from the rigours of social gendered-ness & just exist without being pressed into these various contortions of gender. something about authenticity and being as an act of radical self-love. also defiance.Ā 
oh yeah i def think that Lilithā€™s whole story is very neurodivergent-coded. it might be another ā€˜casper canā€™t write neurotypicalā€™ but my ligaments Lilith is veeeery neurodivergent. doesnā€™t like touch as a general rule but likes it very much from specific people. the way she is just in general echoing so many autistic experiences.
the way that she occupies space inconsistently and uneasily. the very visible ā€˜signs of othernessā€™ in her demonic wings and the scales and i guess iā€™m thinking about masking and her inability to mask. she is consistently outside looking in, relegated to the borderlands of the narrative.
how i think in s1 she is so wonderfully alternating between this playfulness (lounging on the car outside the orphanage, her laughter when she and Mary are beating each other to hell, the way she interacts with Ava - 'it's a stick') and then her absolute intensity at other times. how revealing that is of the fact that there is a Lilith stacked underneath the mask-version she has so carefully construed to help her and keep her safe. what i am raised to be vs who i am.
how soft she is and how caring with those she loves, & i think how the narrative itself misunderstands her (deliberately) and how we gradually see that NOTHING she does is really selfish, but that sheā€™s let down - so often - by those who are supposed to be her family, and because she masks so well her needs arenā€™t appreciated. i think ppl take care of Beatrice and Camila and they donā€™t take care of her in the same way. she ends up alone and isolated. she is tricked by people, used by people (Jillian, Adriel, Duretti)
this is a mess of thoughts but just how she is constructed, and how much it speaks to being an ill-fitting thing. not fully belonging in a world built for others and around their needs. how she clings to the first person to acknowledge her difference ā€œyou are something entirely newā€. & her energy of i think very badly wanting to reach out and be SEEN but not knowing how, being overshadowed and forgotten and discarded.
how i think inĀ a way she saw Beatrice as the Mary to her Shannon, what it must have been like to see that fall apart in front of her, to watch Beatrice go with Ava after the Vatican. to be finally divested of every hope she had for her life.Ā 
& i am always every day feral about Lilithā€™s background. i am always tempted to hc her as an only child - last scion of my house & so on - but also thinking that from the very beginning she is not living up to expectations. i do hc her as having some learning disabilities growing up, & her mother making her suffer for it, terribly. the convo they have sounds like an old wound being picked open.
Lilith growing up with not one person in her life ever believing in her, being sent to the slaughterhouse anyway. the expendable one - the one we shall not allow to have children. Lilith with cousins who share her name but not her fate. so she makes everything about the halo. trying to fit into this box (coffin) that has been built for her since birth. dying for it, and even that is not enough.Ā 
i really wish we could have seen Lilith grow to love and accept who she is. like yes, the fact that she is framed as liminal by the narrative, caught between two worlds, two sides of a conflict.
she is neither/or. her scales are spectres of inner difference, but they are also beautiful. Lilith learning that what she sees and feels and what she is - theyā€™re all different but not bad or worse. Lilith using her demon sight to help the OCS. learning that she doesnā€™t need to be the halo-bearer (but also that she doesnā€™t need to be valuable. she just needs to exist).
Lilith being permitted to take up space and time and energy, instead of folding herself away to nothing. the teleportion as a metaphor for self-erasure, for masking and making oneself still and silent.
writing Lilith as neurodivergent (probably autistic +) is really beautiful because it opens up all of these possibilities for exploring what is gorgeous about neurodivergent existence, and what it means to unmask after YEARS of suffocating inside of a body that was controlled by the expectations of others. & letā€™s not forget that when you start stimming after not being allowed to for your entire life it DOES feel scary and it does make you uncomfortable because it sets off alarm bells and there are a million instances of people saying ā€˜stop it thatā€™s annoyingā€™ or ā€˜what is wrong with youā€™ & Lilithā€™s initial horror being THAT, too, but how eventually it will be okay and good and easy.Ā 
i just LOVE Lilith to pieces bc her whole story just aches but itā€™s also this incredibly difficult and worthwhile journey towards self-acceptance. & when you start to see HER slip through the cracks of the walls sheā€™s put between herself and all of the things that have the potential to hurt her itā€™s just searingly beautiful and SHE is searingly beautiful and neurodivergence is poetic and fantastic and good.
anyway tysm for these thoughts. i rlly appreciate them.
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uh as someone who is in svsss fandom; not sure what that other person was talking about in terms of everyone ā€œglossing overā€ how it ends. people know itā€™s bad. thatā€™s... kind of the point, both of the entire series and that scene. spoilers for that, and the rest of svsss though Iā€™ve done my best to keep everything vague, but you can choose to disregard this and I wouldnā€™t fault you for this. tl:dr svsss is definitely not for everyone and if this isnā€™t your thing, probably not for you. sorry in advance for the essay. it is an absolute train wreck, which is kind of the point.
that scene involves sex. that scene involves one person withdrawing consent. that scene continues despite the withdrawal of consent, and mind you itā€™s not what most people would call erotic by any definition.
this book is a horror that gets masked by the comedy from an unreliable narrator; what if you got isekaiā€™d into the absolute worst of the worst online web novel, that is just porn and a revenge catharsis male power fantasy, what if you were stuck there? what if you were stuck in the role of a character created to be the source of misery, a character who actually has to suffer that horrifying punishment that is inflicted by the protagonist of this revenge fantasy by the end if you fail to change a story thatā€™s already been written?
itā€™s a terrible world to be sent to because the book is deconstructing that entire genre that honestly I donā€™t think exists to the same extent in english, itā€™s a genre that is made to sell chapters via exactly that; a revenge catharsis story built on male power fantasy, with flimsy justification for porn at every turn. so this terrible situation to be in ends like that; with god awful porn tropes everywhere, of course the world ending and trying to avoid it involves sex that, if anyone involved with was real, would be horrifying.
the main romance is, as has been joked about, a solid red flag finding solace in another solid red flag. theyā€™re both doing terribly mental health wise without much prospect of getting better but considering the circumstances itā€™s the healthiest dynamic they both could be in.
iā€™m not saying itā€™s a perfect story by any means, but I feel like peopleā€™s disdain for it often comes from the expectations. if you go into this with the expectation of it being like tgcf or mdzs you will be blindsided by all this, and itā€™s a lot to be suddenly exposed to without warning. personally I would absolutely not have enjoyed this as a romance primarily; but I still do enjoy it as a black comedy that hides the horror of what itā€™s deconstructing, and basically just happens to have an absolute trash fire romance in the background.
if you somehow got this far; thank you. if you donā€™t want to read svsss thatā€™s fair, it really isnā€™t for everyone for various reasons. but if youā€™re willing to read it, reading it as a romance might not be for you. the protagonist and point of view for us is a very unreliable narrator and Iā€™m not sure why entirely but this fact gets thrown out a lot when people get around to reading it.
I don't think it's necessarily unfair to say it gets glossed over at least in the sort of...idk, public-facing side of the fandom? Like I'm sure there's deeper discussions and meta and such going on within the fandom, but from the outside I've seen like 3-5 posts about the darker stuff and 100 cutesy memes of the curly haired guy being a whiny baby šŸ˜…
THAT SAID, I really like how you've broken down the premise here, and it is very interesting. I love SO MUCH about MDZS even though I don't like the sex, and I love MXTX's storytelling, so I could definitely be down to read some dark comedy-horror trope deconstruction from her. I do think that management of expectations is a big part of it: I daresay most people come into MXTX novels via MDZS or TGCF first, and both of those are certainly to large degree romances. So it kind of makes sense that then people head over to SVSSS expecting more of the same and get unpleasantly surprised. I appreciate both you and the other person I was talking to kind of breaking down the differences. I definitely do feel like, if/when I do read it, I'll be going in now with a much better sense of what to expect and how to interpret it. Thanks so much!
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I hope Steddie overtakes Harringrove on Ao3 and I hope it happens soon.
I hope they do their little celebratory dance and be absolutely insufferable for a time, even more than they normally are. And thenā€¦ I hope they piss off.
I donā€™t care about the number of ficsā€”no person with more than three brain cells does, I hopeā€”but I do very much care about Harringrove fans being bullied and treated like shit by a fandom that tries to boast some kind of moral high ground (as if all those noble defenders of morality didnā€™t mercilessly bully a young woman to the point she felt pressured to reveal private emails from her employer). Recently I saw a whole wave of my favorite creators posting awful comments they got on tumblr or Ao3 and it makes me so damn tired of this showā€™s awful fandom.
So yeah. I hope they get what they want (especially since what they want is something no sane person gives a damn aboutā€¦) and stop perceiving us as some kind of threat or competition or whatever. I just want this dumbass one-sided race to finally be over so they shut the fuck up lol. (Yes, I know they probably wonā€™t because for some reason they are unhealthily obsessed with us, but a girl can dreamā€¦)
Yes exactly. I really don't give a shit about them being no.1 and even if it did matter I'd love to see the actual number of fics compared to the random spam ones. (I would have a giggle if ao3 removed all the spam and their numbers dropped because it would piss them off)
We always just joked about being No.1 because we get so much hate but in reality who cares? As long as there's nice fans and great content who cares about numbers? Seriously, they're obsessed to the point its embarrassing
I've said this before but it isn't a ship war if only one side is attacking the other while we sit here like šŸ¤Ø "damn okay". We really just want to be left alone but they're determined to act worse than Billy ever did so let them spend their sad little lives posting about a fictional character they claim to hate
I genuinely think a lot of these dickheads have only seem S4 because of Eddie and go off other anti bullshit instead of idk watching the show itself?? I really don't care if you hate Billy, that's fine but attacking strangers on the internet is literally bully behaviour? Saying abuse victims deserve to die or deserve to have been abused because they relate to a fictional character is so fucking wild I've never seen anything like it
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