#incorrect chrono trigger

[incorrect-chronotrigger-quotes]

[The gang getting ready to enter the black omen]

Magus: If we lose, you guys are out of the will.

Crono: We were in the will?

[totallycorrectjrpgquotes]

Magus: If you want something done right, kill Ozzie before you start.

[princess-schala]

[nobody-lll]

Do you play games?

Hi!! Thx for asking!

Sorry that it took me a while to respond. For some reason, this went through 2 or 3 drafts, so it took a bit for me to finalize what exactly I wanted to say. Also, I apologize that it turned out as long as it did, especially when it really didn't need to be 😅. A good 3-4 sentences, or honestly, even just a simple yes or no, probably would have sufficed.

So, before I actually answer the question, I'm assuming that by "games," you mean specifically video games. I apologize if this is an entirely incorrect interpretation. You see, when it comes to stuff like this, I am actually really stupid.

Anyway, with all that out of the way, yes! I do indeed play video games. While I'm down to play just about anything, my absolute favorite games tend to have captivating art direction (Hollow Knight/Gris), engaging worldbuilding (Elden Ring/Bloodborne), engrossing vibes/atmosphere (Demon's Souls/Breath of the Wild), and/or a compelling cast of characters (Hades/Stardew Valley/Armored Core VI).

If I can get emotionally invested in at least one of these aspects, chances are that I'm gonna fall in love with that game, despite whatever faults it may have (Dark Souls II). Additionally, while not mandatory, a great soundtrack can go a long way too (Chrono Trigger/Mario Galaxy). Adding a song to my playlist definitely helps a game stick with me for a lot longer (Guilty Gear).

It doesn't so much matter to me if a game is "fun" either. While fun games (Smash Bros/Mario Kart/co-op games in general) are fun in their own right, it's not entirely necessary in order for me to love a game. I'd be remiss not to mention this, seeing as how it has clearly and undeniably shaped what games I gravitate towards, but I 've struggled with deppresion for over 5-ish years, so having fun can be a bit challenging at times, especially in the context of a single player video game, which is most of what I play. Heck, I would say, with the exception of Hollow Knight and Mario Oddyssey, that I kinda struggle to have a genuinely good time playing any of the games in my top 10 anymore. Dont get me wrong! They have there moments of course, but it's just not the main draw.

Also, not sure if you, or anyone else for that matter, are curious, but my top 7 video games, in no particular order, are Bloodborne, Gris, Dark Souls I, Dark Souls II, Hollow Knight, Elden Ring, Armored Core VI. These are the 7 games that are a straight 10/10 to me. They're all more or less tied for first. Not sure if I could realistically pick a favorite or least favorite out of them. As you can tell, I tend to like games that are kinda depressing.

And, I think that's about it. I could definitely keep going, but I think I'll end it here. I feel like I'd be disrespecting your time if I kept going.

Anyway, just wanna say thank you if you read this far.!! Hope this answered your question : )

[daphnethebanjolover]

I think you guys should know about the continuing saga of me playing my video game music playlist and my carmates guessing the game and getting it wrong.

"This is from Persona too, isn't it?"

"Nope. Splatoon."

"Isn't this that one song from Chrono Trigger?"

"Undertale."

"Is this the snow theme?"

"This is Waterfall."

"Is it...Sonic?"

"Nope. Miitopia."

"What even is Miitopia?"

Or, alternatively, upon picking me up...

"Connecting to the Bluetooth in this car takes a while, so I found some Persona music. You've played some songs from this game, right?"

I didn't even recognize the music, but to be honest, it was too early for me to care. I didn't realize it was Persona 4 until I recognized Specialist from a bunch of YouTube videos. (The game on my playlist is Persona 5.)

Edit: I'm going to keep adding incorrect guesses until they get something right:

"Is this from Sonic Unleashed?"

"...Bomberman Hero."

"Is this The Legend of Zelda?"

"Banjo-Tooie."

"Let's go."

I swear they're just messing with me.

[thunder-jolt]

"Gamma Goes Wrong" (Peter Pan Goes Wrong Crossover Casting...)

NOTE: It is not technically a crossover, but we do get a cameo at the end. So hope that helps.

Android 13 as Wendy (Dragon Ball Z: Super Android 13)

Android 14 as Michael (Dragon Ball Z: Super Android 13)

Android 15 as John (Dragon Ball Z: Super Android 13)

Dr. Gero as George (Dragon Ball Z)

Android 21 as Mary (Dragon Ball FighterZ)

Gamma 2 as Peter Pan (Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero)

Gamma 1 as Peter Pan's Shadow (Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero)

Gamma Gally/Gamma 3 as Tinkerbell (Dragon Ball OC/ Dragon's Crystal: Legend's Amulet)

Jaco as Tootles (Dragon Ball/Jaco the Galactic Patrolman)

Tights as Nibs (Dragon Ball/Jaco the Galactic Patrolman)

Goten as Slightly (Dragon Ball Z)

Buu as Curly (Dragon Ball Z)

Bojack as Captain Hook (Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound)

Bojack's Crew as Captain Hook's Crew (Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound)

Bee as Nana (Dragon Ball Z)

Chi-Chi as That One Maid (Dragon Ball Z)

Whis as The Narrator/The One Reading the Story to the Audience (Dragon Ball Super)

= = = =

CAMEO:

Frog as Himself (Chrono Trigger)

= = = =

BONUS INCORRECT QUOTE: - - - - Android 13: Mama? Will anything harm us when the night light is lit? Android 21: Nothing, precious. *top bunk falls on top of 14's bunk, startling 13* Android 21: *trying to keep cool* They are the eyes a mother leaves behind to guard her children. Android 14: *peeking between the fallen bunk and his* Mother, you look pretty tonight. Android 21: Are you tucked in, 14? Android 14: Yes, mother. *struggling* Android 21: Are you comfortable? Android 14: *lifts the bunk above him* YES, MOTHER. Android 21: And you, 13? Android 13: Yes, mama- *both bunks fall on top of each other, before landing on top of Android 15's bunk* Android 21: And you, sweet 15, are you feeling sleepy? Android 15: *slams his hand against the bunkbed's frame* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH-

[bbs-backlog-challenge]

Fin or Bin: Final Fantasy VI (PR)

The most common debate seems to be whether 6 or 7 is the best Final Fantasy. I think 7 typically wins the popular vote, but the older fans lean towards 6 more frequently. Another common debate is whether FF6 or Chrono Trigger is the best RPG on the SNES. Standing shoulder-to-shoulder with two of the most beloved video games of all time, you can reasonably assume FF6 is probably pretty good.

I have in fact played this game before- its SNES iteration specifically, but that was 20 years ago and mostly framed around teenage boy discussions of whether Terra or Celes were the more attractive (Celes, obviously). Since it's been given a new lick of paint and an updated translation and I'm all grown up and have matured beyond such silly discussions, it definitely gets a place on the backlog.

I wonder if it's because the original already looked great, but of all the Pixel Remasters this one has wowed me the least. The OST is similarly fantastic but I don't know if the direction it was taken is correct- the original had a lot of electronic-sounding tracks in it, most notably the boss theme, which have been rendered with violins for the PR. It sounds great but it doesn't sound right, if that makes sense.

Six is by far the most gimmicky of the PRs, introducing a lot of extra Stuff that was dropped for later games. Things like pincer attacks and each character having to run away from battle individually only happened this one time (thank goodness, in the case of the latter), and I'm not sure why it was walked back on. Each character also has their own gimmicky way of operating, no two working quite the same way, and some are more worth putting up with than others. It's kinda funny that for most characters there's basically no point using the standard Attack command when their personal gimmick will do more damage for free. Edgar can Attack a single target for middling damage, or use a crossbow to attack every enemy on the field and deal approximately twice as much damage to each, for the low cost of buying the item once. Usually you have to put some effort into breaking the game, but FF6 does it for you!

Fin or Bin:

I do miss the communal aspect of playing through along with a friend whose every opinion is incorrect and needs arguing down. (And also, y'know, to talk about story beats with and stuff.) That is lacking from this playthrough, though that obviously isn't FF6PR's fault. This is the last one remaining of the first ten that I haven't played through in my adult years. Maybe once I've Finished it, I'll put together a tierlist. I'm sure that won't be controversial at all!

(Steam)

[nerdfins]

This hurts so much. I haven't been into manga or anime as much in the past decade, but Dragon Ball Z was my start into the world of fandoms. Even before Beast Wars came into my life and started my Transformers obsession.

As a young artist I was doing DBZ fanart and looking at other's work. I remember sitting in my mom's craft room at her drafting table, listening to some music, and coloring away at a picture of Vegeta. It was poorly drawn and anatomically incorrect, but it was mine.

I remember finding a Playstation copy of Chrono Trigger in college and sitting on my dorm bed staring at my tiny crt tv, and panicking when my wireless controller batteries died during a boss fight.

Recently my husband and I were reminiscing about Dragon Ball Z, and talking about our memories growing up with it and Toonami. It still has an impact on us even today.

The world has lost a great creator. RIP Akira Toriyama. Your impact will be felt for years to come.

[itswavelengths]

The JRPG

This morning saw the lifting of a preview embargo for the upcoming Final Fantasy XVI, and with it a bunch of quotes from producer Naoki Yoshida that are being both praised and dunked on in equal measure depending on which interview you happen to be reading. One such interview that stood out to me came from a great video by critic SkillUp whose first question asking to clarify some earlier statements about the evolution of the JRPG genre elicited this response:

One thing he wants to get across is that when we create games, we don't go into them thinking we are creating JRPGs. We are just creating RPGs. The term JRPG is used by Western media rather than users and media in Japan. This is going to depend on who you ask but there was a time when this term first appeared fifteen years ago, and for us as developers the first time we heard it — it was like a discriminatory¹ term — as though we were being made fun of for creating these games. And so for some developers the term JRPG can be something that will maybe trigger bad feelings because of what was in the past. It wasn't a compliment to a lot of developers in Japan. We understand that recently JRPG has better connotations, and it's being used as a positive, but we still remember the time when it was being used as a negative. I remember seeing something fifteen years ago which was basically a definition of what a JRPG was versus a western RPG. It's kind of like Final Fantasy VII, and it has this type of graphics, this length of story — and compartmentalizing what we were creating into a JRPG box. And I took offense to that because that's not how we go into creating. We were going in to create an RPG, but to be compartmentalized we thought that was discriminatory.

I've been a bit hesitant to use the term JRPG over the past few months, as I started to question it myself around the release of Elden Ring. I'd seen some discussion online referring to the game as a JRPG despite not containing any of the mechanic elements I usually attribute to the genre. I asked myself why we use JRPG against other terms like ARPG (action role playing game) or SRPG (strategy role playing game) where the first word in the acronym describes how the player will interact with a game's systems². How is the word "Japanese" really helpful as a mechanic descriptor compared to "action" or "strategy?"

As a genre definition, most people attribute it to games containing turn-based combat, games made in Japan, or maybe some combination of both. Yet in the year 2023 we're far enough removed from the early days of Pokémon and Dragon Quest to be blessed with new titles inspired by those franchises and created by developers all over the globe. 2022's incredible Chained Echoes contains all of the trappings of the JRPG genre, but was created by a small team out of Germany. The upcoming Sea of Stars — similarly inspired by Chrono Trigger — is from a studio based in Quebec. Forum-arguers on the internet would likely disqualify both of these titles from the genre, despite allowing a franchise like Kingdom Hearts — which lacks turn-based combat in favor of real-time action. What this means in our current vernacular is that most would argue an RPG is the "default" terminology... unless it's made in Japan... and that seems like a super incorrect way to consider or classify genre.

In light of these comments from Yoshida³ about JRPG possibly being read as discriminatory, along with its definition being so broadly applied as to become almost amorphic, it seems like the term needs a rethink. In my eyes, it's not too much of a leap given the other RPG sub-genres already in use to say that "turn based RPG" is what most people mean when they say JRPG. Going forward, that's probably what I'll be using to describe games like Dragon Quest alongside the more general "RPG."

That said, all terms used to describe genre can and should be malleable. They should grow, evolve, or dissolve with the times. The most interesting and forward-thinking RPGs of today bear small resemblances to the games that defined the genre, but can be classified as RPGs all the same. What we considered to be a Metroidvania ten years ago looks very different than it does today, and I've gone as far as claiming a Sudoku app can be a roguelike so I'll always be the first to tell you to rethink the vocabulary used to describe creative works.

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¹ There's also the entire bit about the lack of diversity in FF16 and Yoshida's disappointing response. His obviously horrible and close-minded take about a made up fantasy setting only having room for white people doesn't discount his very valid feelings about JRPG as a descriptor.

² Next up we'll need to figure out a new one for CRPG considering a lot of those games are available on an Xbox, which is kind of like a computer... but not exactly.

³ None of this really gets into Yoshida's larger point about finding genre trappings in general to be creative constraints he wants to break free from, and that leads into why people are dunking on him relentlessly for saying blitzball doesn't fit into the world of Final Fantasy which he envisions as a dark and gritty and Game of Thrones-adjacent world instead of one capable of containing small joys in the face of great darkness. I sympathize with wanting to chart your own path — especially when it comes to a franchise like Final Fantasy which was built on a foundation of innovation — but to do so while ignoring the legacy and successes of the past titles will only serve to anger the very people you're hoping to win over.

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[kahran042]

Incorrect quote templates

A: Time for plan B… if only I had a plan B. (Source: Angela Anaconda)

A: Remember, one for all… B: And good for nothing! (Source: Arthur)

A: Roses are red, violets are blue, my nose smells, and your feet do too. (Source: Arthur)

A: B, were you paying attention in class yesterday? B: That's a trick question, isn't it? (Source: Arthur)

A: Machines aren't capable of evil. Humans make them that way. (Source: Chrono Trigger)

A: I just want you to love me. B: A, how could you say such a thing? I love you with all my heart. A: You do? B: Of course. I just don't like you. (Source: Family Guy)

A: Not being able to eat is like not knowing half of life's pleasures! (Source: Magic Knight Rayearth)

A: It's not easy being an expert on something you know nothing about. (Source: Sofia the First)

A: Why can't you be more supportive? B: Because I don't care. (Source: The Simpsons)

A: You don't have to sink to their level. I'll do it for you! (Source: Tiny Toon Adventures)

[incorrect-chronotrigger-quotes]

Robo: What makes you all smile?

Marle: Friends and family!!

Crono: Snacks!

Magus: Victory and success.

Lucca: Face muscles.

[dianight]

Years ago I read this one post on someone's website about numbers in Chrono Trigger.

It was a breakdown of the relative hp and "difficulty" of all the bosses in the game with a few extra explanations about the design of their fights.

It also went into a metagame analysis and other interesting parts about the game.

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While typing this the phrase "Tragedy of the Sages" came to mind. I was misremembering, it's Tragedy of the Entity/Comedy of the Sages to refer to the two different parts of Chrono Trigger.

Thanks to that, I could find the website.

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What I read years back was a complete version of that long article. It might have been a different website or that same one before it got paywalled.

Which is kind of the point I was going with before that parenthesis where I recalled that particular (incorrect) phrase.

There has been a push for a while now to try and monetize things that used to be free and available to the public. I saw a manga image with the source leading to fakku and it's like. Oh. This used to be so easy to read, you just click here and they have a reader. It costs money now, it's hidden behind a paywall.

It's almost everywhere. There is no reason for that other than greed. Operating costs and shit like that I don't care.

I'm reminded of that one Guillermo del Toro tweet(?) where he had lunch with John Carpenter and he mentions The Thing as a massive hit years after it released. "What good does it do to me?" I think about that a lot. Monetary incentive is what drives most of the internet now. Sad.

[princess-schala]

Melchior: Wait, take this knife! It may be able to stop the Mammon machine! Crono: .... Melchior... Melchior: Hm? Crono: That's a butter knife... made of foam. Melchior: ... And? Crono: .... I think that stay atop Mt. Woe deteriorated your mind. Melchior: Now wait just a minute Coconut Crono: It's Crono Melchior: That's what I said, Crocker.

[eevoch]

Queen Zeal: i regret creating you.

Janus: then get rid of me, pussy.

[thatorigamiguy]

Jaune: “So when I was a little kid, my second older sister became really addicted to oxytocin. She went from getting A’s to D’s and she looked horrible all the time, but mom and dad just thought that she was under a lot of stress and that the classes were just harder than she originally thought. But her habits ended up getting worse and worse, to the point that she was spending all of her savings and whatever pitiful amount she could get her hands on to support her habit. One day while everyone was out of the house, she grabbed me by the hand and said we were going on a “Field Trip.” I didn’t question it, I was a kid and I had thought that she had come back to her old self even though she looked like absolute hell.”

“So, we ended up taking a bullhead into Vale and went to what I still consider to this very day to be the shadiest looking apartment building, up several flights of stairs to the third floor and she knocks on the door. After a moment, the door opens up and she ushers me inside we’re a I see a really messy room attended by two guys: A super jacked up Tiger Faunus and a scrawny looking human guy. the human guy has a bag in his hand and he askes her with a dubious look “So, how you gonna pay for it this time?”

She immediately responds “I’m paying with him.”

“Him,” being me. That’s right, my sister tried to sell me to the what I now realize were her dealers in exchange for more Oxy. The silence that followed after was deafening and both her dealers could only stare at her in complete disbelief. Angered at their hesitance, she asks them “Don’t you assholes do trafficking or some shit like that? I’ll just tell my parents that he was kidnapped, just give me the damn oxy!”

Another awkward pause of silence as the dealers both share a wary glance at each other, before the Tiger Faunus mutters “It’s a deal” as the human tosses her the bag and she hightails it out of that shithole slamming the door behind her and not even giving me a second look. The tiger Faunus shakes his head muttering about how my sister was a “Crazy Bitch,” before looking down at me with an apologetic look.

“Listen, I’m really sorry about this kid.” He said as he pulled out his scroll, “Here, give me your home phone and I’ll have your parents pick you up. Were do you live anyways?”

I hesitantly tell them that I live in Ansel, causing them to both give me shocked look before the scrawny guy all but shouts “She dragged you on a two hour bullhead ride for this? For fucks sakes, I told you we should’ve stopped dealing to her the moment she started paying us in bags of quarters!”

The two dealers bickered with one another for moment, before the Tiger Faunus called up my mom and the Scrawny guys was kind enough to lend me his DS with Mario on it to pass the time. My parents come and grab me and man I thought they were going to grease the dealers then and there but they let them slide after putting the fear of brothers into the two of them and then took me home. They, quite obviously, learned of what my sister had done from me and the sheer unbridled rage from my mom and the absolute ice cold vitriol my dad expressed to my sister was something I’ll always remember to this day and they pretty much gave her two options: go to rehab and get cleaned up, or not only get kicked out of our home but to have her name banished off the Arc family name to forever be an exile and pariah of the Arc family for the rest of her miserable days in abject shame.

She chose to go to rehab, kicked her drug habit, and managed to get sober after two years and has remained sober since. My parents bought me Pokemon Black and Chrono Trigger for what I went through as compensation.”

Jaune took a drink of his water, a little parched from his rather long story only to take note of the horrified slack jawed looks of both his team and team RWBY. Both Pyrrha and Ruby had tears in their eyes and he swore he heard Weiss muttering under her breath something about “mistreating him to much,” whatever that meant. The awkward silence was broken when Yang, who Jaune had noticed her eyes were red and also a little teary eyed, finally broke the silence.”

Yang: “...Jaune?”

Jaune: “Yes Yang?”

Yang: “...What in the actual fuck?”

Jaune: “Oh you think that was bad? That pales in comparison to this one time-”

[splat-dragon-correct-fandoms]

Hosea: Take...

Dutch: Take? What take?

Hosea: Take care... of this family...