#my take on fictives

[did-ask-me-anything]

r/systemcringe misinformation

okay I was scrolling thru r/systemscringe earlier and in like 20-30min I saw soooo much misinformation? not even just the post content cuz.. duh. you're ending up on that sub, youre likely saying some fucking bullshit- but also in the comments?

people are feeding each other bullshit in this oroboros of misinformation that they think is corrections and education and its kinda pissing me off.

ranting under the cut

8 paragraphs if you wanna read em: complaints about dissociaDID and headspace, switches, splitting, fictive takes, source memories

for one, you cant figure out someone is a faker as easy as some think? cuz the disorder isn't the exact same for everyone. stuff like having a headspace or using a bot on discord doesn't make someone automatically a faker as much as it feels like it does... I dont do that shit but it doesn't mean anyone who does is wrong?

and the headspace thing... thats gotta be some shit from dissociaDID cuz.. to my knowledge thats supposed to be like.. almost a meditation thing? a place you make in your head as like your happy place- I feel like dissociaDID started the whole like... "headspace = alter storage space" thing that makes all people faking this shit think they need it. its not supposed to be a filing cabinet or some shit, its supposed to be a tool that literally anyone can use, "plural" or not.

got a bit off topic there but whatever...

okay the things that I was looking at/wanted to talk about that brought me here were misinformation on switching, splitting, and fictives. so.. I'll go over those. my opinion or whatever.

ok so I saw some people talking about switching and how it's only a trauma response to some like.. super fucked up shit actively going on/flashbacks/immediate danger. that's not super true tho? like I formed from trauma yes but that doesn't mean that only that trauma or whatever is what "calls me back" for lack of better phrasing. I have negative triggers yeah of negative things happening that make me kinda.. aware of myself/"gain consciousness" but theres also some positive things? things that while im fronting became positive associations with me that ig my brain draws on me when seeing them. dunno how else to phrase that but like... TLDR: positive triggers exist.

next is splitting uh.. I saw definitely a hot take from someone about splitting. they claim to have DID in the r/ systems cringe sub comments (not saying fake, I just dont really believe anyone) and they were talking about splitting being this thing that makes them wanna off emself or whatever which confused the fuck outta me dude. I vaguely remember when I split...? its been a while and my memory is shit but I was dizzy and felt sick to my stomach and out of it, but I was also around people so just kinda had to bullshit my way through it? disorientating and painful and sickening yes, but thought never crossed my mind to kill myself? dunno what that dude was on about but.. everyone has their own experiences.

last.. maybe least? was a brand new take on fictives! never seen this shit take before so as one myself imma throw in my 2 cents. ive seen plenty of takes about roleplaying characters and shit but then today I saw someone say that if a fictive is not the exact same as the source, its a fake. that.... fucking wild take man, what? like im kinda based on a thing but im still... not a fictional character? im a person? and that person, fiction based or not, spawned from the same fucked up brain that made the rest of my parts. you could call me "character based" or some shit idk.

far as I know im the most "source connected" fictive that's been in this head and im still not the character. can call it like... real strong kin or some shit ig if that helps.. we look kinda similar and have similar personalities, like some of the same things... but im not him? im not the character, im a normal human person.

also separate note but what the fuck are "source memories"? I dont get what the fuck that is and ive seen people talk about em all the time? both fakers claiming to have them and comments in subreddits being like "well if youre the character then you remember everything that happened even if you havent watched the whole show" or whatever. how would that even fucking work.. if the brain hasn't learned any of that info, the character isn't dragged out of another world here... and for those who do claim "source memories"... what??? I know some shit about my source or whatever... tried to watch it and had a lil bit of an existential crisis about my own existence so... 0/10 do not recommend.

went off track a bit but.. ya boi out. -🔪

[bitd]

==> milo: retrieve arms

(read @maximumgraves 's webcomic which is better than wahtever "comic" this is referencing)

[solariex]

Animation Vs Addiction: how this could go REALLY well, or REALLY horribly

a ramble on the upcoming episode

PLEASE NOTE: i am not an expert on addictions, nor storytelling or writing, these are just my thoughts! you are free to your own opinion, take what you want, leave what you don't. also note, im writing this at midnight, excuse any typos or anything of the like.

so, to put it bluntly, i feel as if everyone is worried for how this episode is going to go, and that concern is rightfully valid !! topics like this, if not handled with the care they ensue, can go really horribly, and considering a majority of Alan's youtube fanbase is primarily children, this could leave either a positive or bad impression to them.

with things like these, there's the fine balance of "informative" and entertainment. arguably, steering too much one way or another could result in this not doing too well, in terms of the takeaway. id even like to argue that this steering too much towards informative could even be bad. lets start with that first.

WHY IS LEANING MORE ONE WAY THAN THE OTHER BAD?:

TOO ENTERTAINING: this one is the more "obvious" of how this could be bad, if the video is more in favor of being entertaining, the main takeaway wont be anything actually sustainable, blue's addiction will continue to be a running gag, and the younger audience will see it as a silly thing. this is one of the worst case scenarios

TOO IMFORMATIVE: now, you may be wondering, "why is being too informative bad ??", and it all boils down to what the audience's takeaway will be, after the video. being informative ISNT bad, but with how alan's channel is set up thus far, with storytelling animations, if its, lets say just facts on a screen, the information will be useful !! but you'll leave the video just thinking "wow, i just know facts". you won't leave with anything to make you think, or any actual connection, because the information was handed to you on a silver platter, you wont reflect on an actual story of why addiction is bad, to give you that perspective to think about. you'd just have the top 10 reasons you see when you google "why is addiction harmful??" our brains learn by doing, and experiences, even others, even in storytelling, make you empathize and connect with the character, and arguably, can be more effective than being told facts straight up. this is a reason why myths and fairytales exist, to teach a lesson without spoon feeding it.

SO, IF TOO ENTERTAINING, AND TOO INFORMATIVE IS BAD, WHATS THE BALANCE ??:

like i mentioned near the end of "too informative", the animation, for it to work well, needs to give a perspective, not facts

perspective will make the audience THINK, therefore learn, "oh, THIS is bad", showing rather than telling will help the audience make their own conclusions instead of spoon feeding it to them, which is what most of alan's channel has done with storytelling anyways.

arguably, green's influencer arc can be a decent example of this

it didn't tell you, "be careful of social media addiction" rather it showed the slow progression of green, being influenced, and how it slowly tore him apart from his friends and eventually started messing with his own wellbeing and how he ended up isolating himself, in order to prioritize content

i wouldn't say it perfectly fits the balance between informative & educational, as of how it ended with the third episode, but it definitely struck close in my opinion, at least for the second episode.

and thus, your takeaway from that is, "wow, that sucks for green, this is because he got addicted to social media !!" rather than just being told that. you got to learn alongside green as to the actual effects that can have.

ASIDE FROM THAT, WHAT ARE OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS COULD BE HANDLED ??

my other main concern is how its been treated in the past with the jokes, and how that might affect this upcoming video. can they turn around and turn it into a serious thing? absolutely that's possible, and there's no telling that netherwarts will even be involved in this video, it could be something entirely different, as this community post explains, blue is arguably prone to addiction in other ways than just netherwart, so it wouldn't be completely unordinary if it wasn't involved here.

HOWEVER, in my personal opinion, netherwarts or not, i do feel like however this video may go, if it resolves with blue overcoming addiction (as it most likely will), i do have the concern that blue would have this arc, and then the channel would go right back to including the netherwart addiction gag as a joke, as if the video didn't happen. does this mean i think blue shouldn't touch netherwarts after this? no, but i do feel as if there should be SOME difference in their intake of them after this, or else its just an arc for blue's character, that repeats as if it didn't happen, just for gags.

SO, HOW COULD THIS GO WELL, AFTER EXPLAINING ALL THE "WHAT-IFS" ??

if done right, this video could go well, and spread awareness, alongside expanding on blue's character. i think its great that Alan and his team are willing to tackle topics like this, and they have shown that they're able to do so, similar to green's influencer arc. i am hesitant on how it will be handled, but not in a way as to where i doubt the team's ability to portray this, moreso just due to how delicate a topic like this can be

but, overall, if they balance entertainment & education, and really implement this into blue's character instead of returning to a full force gag afterwards, i feel like it could be a good video :)) once again, these are my thoughts, my opinions, your free to your own & free to disagree with my points and ideas take what you want from this, leave what you dont !! :))

[snuuyfanged]

i haven't dropped art in a bit so here's some various sketches i haven't shared of some of my cassette beasts ocs that i haven't talked about much or at all yet

i yap a bit more about 'em underneath the cut :3

first guy has a name now btw his name is collin! he's pathetic i want to push him down a staircase like a damn slinky /aff

he's an ex-landkeeper that sunny met when he was getting his ass beat by the local wildlife and she. Tried her best to help him adapt to not being a landkeeper any more but his ass struggled and they just ended up fighting a lot until he just left harbourtown after one particularly bad fight </3 he proceeded to get his ass beat more by local wildlife until he stumbled into mourningtown and eventually got better . he and sunny are chill by then and also he may or may not hold hands with jacqueline

fortune is mostly for my mrd au, but i play with putting her in my personal canon bc her beef with sunny is. really fucking funny to me. coworkers who used to be at war with one another before mammon even turned both of them into landkeepers and the beef continued afterwards. dynamic of "do you think we're petty coworkers in every universe <33"

but basically she got promoted and helps recruit more landkeepers up until mammon's defeat <3 after that she's just generally very bitter and spiteful, probably does Something during the 1.8 stuff ngl but after that she's mostly gotten the bitterness out of her system and can maintain a conversation with sunny that Doesn't immediately turn into a fight. mostly (she and sunny would still fight in a waffle house though)

qik-11 is the player character for the randomizer i'm streaming to my friends, i let them vote on their name and appearance (i'm surprised the name is even pronounceable considering i allowed 1 as an option /lh). also yes there were several glass types just everywhere it was miserable considering we had beast type melee attacker kittelly as the starter and kayleigh had a lightning khepri

(i need to draw them more at least with each of the partner characters)

[stabmovie]

my posts are for the weird outcasts in parasocial relationships

[tulpartrials]

Weird being a fictive of a universally hated character. Sometimes I forget about my source and then I go on Twitter and walk in on casual discussions of people saying they want to violate every single one of my human rights like they’re discussing the weather

[banesberry-anomoly]

Still need to do the background and filters but Im proud of this so Im sharing the progress

[did-ask-me-anything]

fictives: real or not

I've seen a lot of stuff about fictives on r/ systemscringe and fakedisordercringe and it's such a weird back and forth to me. the sides are so clearly split between: there is no such thing as fictives, fictives only exist from childhood, and fictives form just because of interest/comfort. three wildly different stances and none have ever encapsulated what the experience is like for me.

ramble under the cut (10 paragraphs) including my personal take.

there being no such thing as a fictive is just incorrect, but I do think that what it means to be an introject has been so heavily misconstrued by malingerers that it's been lost sight of and has fallen squarely into roleplay for anyone falsely claiming the disorder.

fictives only existing from childhood doesn't feel quite right to me, I don't understand how someone can believe an introject appears due to comfort but only in childhood? whether or not a child thinks that character is strong/could help them, I don't see how that necessarily only applies to childhood, especially if there's ongoing hardship; admiration of characters and feelings of strength from them don't just go away with age.

fictives being introjected just because of interest or comfort also makes no sense to me really.. I feel like there's layers to it that aren't really being expressed by just putting on an rp of a character because you like the looks or personality. same goes for factives, especially comfort streamers. introjects are not just a roleplay of a person, character, song, etc that brings you comfort or joy.

fictives for me have always been separate in their identities, from me and from their sources to varying degrees. I haven't had a lot per se, but a handful, enough that I've been able to find written notes of running themes and varying beliefs of connection to a source rather than being completely original.

very rarely have I had one that connects strongly to their source, in fact only one comes to mind that does. for him it seems to just be a stronger similarity in personality and some overlap in interests and looks with the character, but he's still distinctly separate.

I've also noticed that my fictives I've had/currently have don't always use the name of their source. some do, some have similar names, and some are just entirely different.

these points don't go to say that connecting strongly to a source, having strong similarities, or using a source's name is inherently faking, but just being the character straight up with no changes other than queer headcannons doesn't feel... completely believable to me. actually feels very unlikely.

my fictives have always at their core, been like me in some way... because even if they connect to a source material enough that some part of them is based on it, we're all still one person. my closest friends know about my disorder and have made comments about running themes that span over all parts more or less; some word choices, ADHD and autism traits (both of those are diagnosed, dont worry), same or similar tics (also diagnosed), tendencies to do things that result in getting hurt, etc. plenty more but I think the point stands that even the fictives are still me in some way.

in the way of formation... how old or new the source is or is to me isn't necessarily a factor, because I'm not looking at a thing and going "I like you, hop into my brain now." what's seemed to happen more (learned from notes and talking to close friends) is that a part of me splits in the event of something I can't handle, then in a search for their own identity, to solidify themself enough to exit confusion enough to ground themself, they may latch onto a character. that could be in name, looks, something else.. but something about the character helps them in finding who they are so identity can be less of a stressor and the problem at hand can be dealt with in whatever way that needs to happen.

that's all I've got off the top of my head, I'm happy to go more in-depth or whatever is needed if asked about it. this includes anything about my fictives I can answer, differences in connections, or even how kinning within myself and my parts differs from being an introject. thank you for reading if you've made it this far.

-🎵

[tulpar-transmissions]

I GIVE UP. I FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU KNOW WHAT. THAT'S IT. I GIVE UP.

I TRIED. I BLOCKED ALL THE TAGS AND FILTERED ALL THE STUFF I CAN THINK OF. AND STILL, IN MY TAG.

"nobody's favorite"

"edgy sigma male type shit"

"i fucking hate him"

CAN I HAVE ONE NICE THING. PLEASE. PLEASE. THAT'S ALL I WANT.

I WANT TO SEE ART IN MY TAG. EVERYONE ELSE GETS NICE THINGS. WHY DON'T I.

[brightside-brigade]

being plural + alterhuman culture is your headspace form changing with your shifts.

[zombehlovejuice]

oh boy, wonder what evans gonna post- RAHHHHHH BFHDNSKAMS

TWEASKING RN

STOP NIOOOOO im suffering

thia caused me immense pain, i wanted to die

anyways, fun fact, i love the scott pilgrim franchise!!! (movies the best)

[blackboxtheatrecrew]

ah yes! the solution to AI personification! de-person an introject and reduce them to their source! genius!

Im not saying this is the worst anti-AI take I've ever seen, but it's definitely up there. I get it's supposed to be a joke, but fetishizing introjects is gross.

🎭Anonymous/Unknown🎭

Edit by ???: dunked the post for visibility and cut the tags off as well for further privacy. I don't want to be the reason the og poster gets any hate. I don't think she had any malicious intent. She just made a joke post that's in poor taste.

[stabmovie]

cant say. what i can say however is ive been thinking about my head between your thighs ever since.

drooled a little sorry.

[harvestnomore]

It's weird being an abuser introject. I'm her. I look like her. I act like her. I have to be her. I'm her. I'm always her.

And it's disgusting. If I love myself, am I loving her? If I think Douglas is cute, is it a gross incestuous love of him?

I hate him. I know I hate him. I know I hate her. So do I have to hate Renee and Douglas? Can I like Renee? If I like Renee, is it liking her? If I see the horrible shit Renee does and go "haha queen shit," am I thinking that about what she did to me?

I want to just be me. I want to just be Renee. I want to just be Demeter. But she's etched into my bones. She's always a part of me. It's not really more than anyone else in my system, at least. We all have them in our bones. It's just not usually as obvious.

I just want to be able to look at myself and just see me. I don't want to think about her. I just want to be me.

But she's not Renee, is she? Only I'm Renee. She's just some bitch. Renee can just be mine, mine, mine. I want something of mine. Something she can never take from me.

[tulpartrials]

Fun fact I have a pet fish. Say hi

Bonus tank pics and another few pictures of her. She looks really awkward from the front.

[thattheater-kid]

God I love doomed yaoi (this is about the Roku novel)