#tw shipcourse mention

[5typesoftrash]

if you are pro-censorship, you are not my ally. Not in feminism, not in queerness, not in anti-racism. Bad actors aren't going to just censor the things you don't like; they won't stop. Sure, they'll sweep over the explicit incest and pedophilia, but then, just like the fancop teenagers have, they will start stretching those definitions to include everything that they dislike. Calling queer people pedophiles is a textbook example of queer oppression; you don't think conservatives are gonna use that as an excuse to burn books about trans joy and wlw/mlm experiences? Because they will.

If you are pro-censorship, you are not my ally.

[entity56]

is this anything

[bump-inthe-night]

Vivziepop is still upset about people criticizing her for inserting her rape and incest fetishes into her shows. She's extremely salty about the fact that no one believed her lies about exploring rape in a "serious" manner and that her incest "jokes" were jokes.

Vivziepop embarrassed herself more by making an entire Helluva Boss short dedicated to shipping discourse. She cares so much about what people think of her that she'll dedicate episode time to discourse or making caricatures of people she dislikes.

[devildomwriter]

*TW*- i*cest, r*pe, g*re, p*dophilia, some general discourse

Ok so I am trying to ask this in the most respectful way because I don't wanna snowball this into a huge discourse; but I wonder if you've been seeing the Dark Content Discourse here on Tumblr?

It basically entails that despite your personal preferences, attacking/ demeaning other ppl who create/ consume dark content is a big no no because it's their safe space to be able to explore these topics. This includes all sort of stuff like i*cest, r*pe, g*re and even p*dophilia. Now you may not agree with any of these things, most ppl don't, and they might disgust you; which is totally fine. But there is a huge leap b/w something that is fictional and something that is real.

Fictional characters are literal lines on a paper. Doing anything with a fictional child does not mean you are harming a REAL child. This might still disgust you and that's fine too. You can block that person so you don't have to look at it again but to call everyone like this and start a campaign against them is well...

I just want you to know that I am not defending that person. I didn't even know them at all before this...Neither I am advocating for anything they are saying or confirming/claiming that they are good irl. I don't know them.

I just want you look at this from a different perspective and know your thoughts about this ordeal. Like for one moment step away from your pre-existing feelings and bias and look at this objectively. Everyone likes something that's even a lil problematic, so if we went on these campaigns every time, literally no one will be left in fandom. I don't agree with p*dophilia but I don't agree with this either...AGAIN THIS IS NOT MEANT TO CONDONE ANY OF THIS BEHAVIOUR! But to paint someone as a bad person for things they do in fiction in their safe space no matter how problematic, is somewhat disconcerting.

I again wanna say that this is not any hate against you or anyone else. I don't want to cause any discourse myself . I think you are an amazing writer and a valuable member in our fandom. Which is why it's important to me to hear your stance on this. But if you'd rather not answer this at all that's fine too! :>

I appreciate your perspective and I sometimes enjoy certain dark content as long as they warn others but pedophilia— fictional or not— should never be written/glorified/accepted. If it’s written as a horrible incident or traumatic backstory (like Lolita) then I understand why it’s written but glorifying or romanticizing it in any way is unacceptable.

If no one is left in the fandom after going on these “witch hunts” then the fandom is toxic, preditory, and unsafe.

As for the huge leap between fiction and reality, everything starts as a thought or fantasy. The more you think about it the more likely you are to commit or watch such an act.

Tumblr should under no circumstances be a safe place for pedophiles.

[anti-endo-safe-space]

CW/TW: Shipcourse, slave mention, pedophilia mention, rape mention

We saw our favorite blog needing to talk about this so, we will as well.

This blog is neutral on shipcourse. If we absolutely had to, we'd pick anti, for a few reasons.

One thing to ship characters who are like enemies or something or someone who's 17 and 20. That's one thing.

It's another to ship a slave master with their slave or a fucking 12 year old with a 37 year old. That's pedophilic. And if we have a SINGLE comment or ask going "Well a ship can't be pedophilic and that's called underage!" then I'm asking you go get some help because a ship CAN be pedophilic and that IS pedophilic.

We get sometimes doing something like that because of trauma. We've read stories dealing with rape because it helped us cope. However, fetishizing, romantizing, normalizing that is not something we will ever tolerate in this account.

We are trying to provide a safe place for people and we do not want to bring ship course into this. That's something we don't care for. If you don't like it, block and move on. Don't fight, don't be nasty, just block and move on.

[insomniac-ships]

If you're into creepypasta stuff and horror games, you don't get to come at people sideways about liking "gross" fictional ships.

How come you can like a faceless, child murdering monster and that's a-okay because obviously you don't think killing children is fine and dandy in real life, DUH, but as soon as it's someone with a ship you don't like, clearly they're fetishizing, glamorizing, and getting off to some heinous shit?? How can you be so close to getting it, and yet so far away?

[agerefandom]

not a request but question..saw you were against Content Police and was wondering if you allow proship requests (agere related for when your asks are open again ofcc)

Combining these asks to minimize the shipcourse mentions on this blog, but also thank you for both of the asks!!!

In response to the question, I will gently reinforce that the label 'proship' is a belief about fiction, and not a specific genre of content. Even if it was a genre, I've seen a massive range in what would fall under that terminology (for example, self-identified antis who run Hannibal blogs).

I originally decided to put antis on my DNI when I posted some imagines for caregiver!Gaston, from Beauty and the Beast.

In these headcanons, I did include some caregiver dynamics that are little nods to his canon tendency to try and control the people around him, and how those toxic traits might reflect in his behaviour as a caregiver.

In my opinion, it's very important when you read villain imagines to remember that it's okay to fantasize about caregivers who take away your control and agency to make you feel small and cozy and protected, but it's a big red flag and completely unacceptable if a caregiver ever does that without your explicit permission and expressing that it's something you want from them!!!

So the answer is that yes, I will write some stories that reflect dynamics that I don't want people to think are healthy IRL: for example, anything with Hannibal Lecter, or Elias Bouchard. I will occasionally write about manipulation and control and helplessness, and I will do my very best to tag those dynamics so that people can avoid them if they so wish. (ie. my Alois and Claude fic)

I don't write explicit content or very much romantic shipping content, so I don't think that the most traditional 'proship' associated things are a risk/relevant discussion for this blog. But I do sometimes write about unhealthy relationships (ie. Rick and Morty are an abusive familial relationship, but I might write about how Morty feels complicated love and dependence towards Rick). Again, all of this material will be tagged, and I think I heavily lean towards the more fluffy kinds of dynamics.

As my rule has always been, you can request anything SFW you'd like when requests are open, and I'll make my decisions about what I'm comfortable writing! I turn down requests for many reasons, but I try to never be judgmental or rude about it.

[dumbproficblog]

i hate hate HATE when antishippers compare real life trauma to fiction.

"well you've gone through so you should know how bad it is-" YEAH... in REAL LIFE you fucking moron.

"erm l0li drawings are CSEM..." okay so! fuck you!

and it's always fuckers who have never been through that typa shit too like don't you dare compare a fictional child being harmed to years of abuse real people have gone through thanks!

[chekhovs-nailgun]

i have some thoughts on coping thru fiction and using fic/writing as a general tool that i wanna put out there. warning: i will be discussing grooming below the cut.

so to get it out of the way, i was groomed when i was 11. i don’t think this is the time nor place for me to go into a whole ramble about the specifics of that, so i won’t. all that’s necessary right now is that it happened and within a year i started adding similar dynamics to a project i was working on.

it was a sideplot during my first nanowrimo attempt centered around a post-apocalyptic scenario. the jist of it was a kid in his mid-teens, think 16 or so, was romantically obsessed with a mid-20s, closer to 30 woman. the age difference was about the same. i would ask for advice on the story in general from my mom (phd in psychology, literally never had a problem with it lmfao, funny how that works).

was it ass? absolutely, it was. a 12 year old wrote it. it’s never seeing the light of day lmao. but it was really important in the process of me not fucking hating myself for years for thinking/internalizing that it was a moral failing on my part.

the thing about it is that at the time, it didn’t feel like coping. i felt like i was just writing about something that happens. fleshing it out in that sterile environment helped me get a grip of how fucking gross what happened to me was, while putting myself in a position where i had control over what happened, something i didn’t have irl. i didn’t even realize that’s what happened until i thought “ah yes, i started writing dark fic when i was 12, the same calendar year i was groomed.”

“…”

now i look at people arguing over the semantics of it, with fic of that type being morally reprehensible with exceptions like “only if you never share it” or “only if you use it to cope” or “using it to cope is morally reprehensible for this-or-that reason, don’t interact with it in any way other than seething rage or some other specific way”. while seething rage and pure fucking anger can be a totally fine way to deal with it, people who think in these kinds of ways need to remember: not everybody is you. making broad assumptions, nitpicking, and believing that your way is the only correct way does nothing but harm other victims by taking away an opportunity for them to work out their trauma, at best. at worst? it allows more predators to hide and commit tangible harm due to widespread assumptions that the people hurting others are the people posting fic, and not the “safe” adults playing into kids’ interests and making them feel important and special. (source: that’s what mine did; yucky bad fanfiction was never a part of the equation.)

i know what the response to this is. “ackshully posting it is doing harm because it normalizes it and gives predators the confidence to act on the thoughts they already have; the human psyche is more sensitive to porn and if you get tired of fiction you’re bound to turn to nonfiction”. this is where the age old disagreement comes into play, and while i don’t see much of a point in rehashing it for people who already have their minds made up on it, i would like to note a couple of things, firstly that humans aren’t mirrors. most people see things like this and recognize it’s wrong, just like they recognize that other subjects criminalized irl are wrong, such as murder, theft, etc. if somebody sees something problematic and decides it’s a good way to act, there was something already wrong, be it undiagnosed mental illness or being too young/impressionable to participate safely in such circles. i also find this viewpoint really cruel in that it takes responsibility away from the actual predators, essentially painting them as wild animals who “couldn’t help it, they became desensitized and just had to have more of that vile content you people make” when grooming is, at its core, a desire for power over another. im gonna come out and say it: predators are smart. they are called predators for a reason. thinking of them as lawless beasts who operate out of instinct is entirely disrespectful to victims.

the cold hard truth of the matter is that darkfic, no matter how disgusting people find it on a case by case basis, is morally neutral. it cannot damage anybody by simply existing unless warnings are ignored or it is actively weaponized, sometimes meaning that the content itself is removed from the protective warnings and wantonly put on display for large audiences of underage people to see.

i personally don’t like a whole lot of darkfic, im really picky about what i read. and i think that no matter my thoughts on it, it has a right to exist. idc, consider me a “bad victim” lmao. if you do that’s your cross to bear, not mine.

tldr: sometimes you need to express shit and fuck you if you try to enforce your own feelings on others trying to do so

[thelunarsystemwrites]

My DNI!

(This is for my new introduction post coming up!)

The following on my Do Not Interact are:

Endo Systems, Tulpa Systems, Proto Systems, Willow Systems,—In short, any 'non' traumagentic systems!

With that said, also syscourse! (I'm anti-endo, but my main is NOT the place for it!)

Comship/Proship. (Do not harass in this group!)

ZaDr. ZaGr. Or Frans shippers!

Pro-Harassment.

AB/DL, DD/LG, ageplay/petplay, or similar kinks! (Even if the kink is platonic. /gen)

Anti-agere/petre/agedre/petdre and etc!!

If you think LGBTQIA+ is a sin in any way.

Anti-Therian, Anti-Otherkin, Anti-Otherheart, Anti-Fictionkin, Anti-IRLs, or any Anti-Alterhuman!

Anti-Religion. (You can criticize religion and also not discriminate on it's followers!)

Racism in any way.

If you think one gender is superior to another.

Preferably anyone 30+ unless I interact first (then you're good 👍)

Pro-ED.

Annnnd, I think that's everything? I'm iffy on people who use she/her or he/him for Frisk and Chara, I like them being genderless.

These are my blog rules, I'd prefer if you respect them! This blog is run by a person just trying to have fun, and I'd have a lot more fun if you guys stayed in your space and I stayed in mine!

interaction will result in a block!

[antiproshipping]

I need everybody to know this person is accusing someone of being a pedophile Over Fiction.

Ugh.

Block em.

[centi-pedve]

nothing fuckin weirder than seeing people our age going all "ough I don't know all this shipcourse stuff I'm too old I have cough cough taxes and I'm dying I'm falling apart into ashes what is proship" brother we were sitting next to you in fifth grade and you gave us an entire essay on your shipcourse takes because fontcest was popular at the time. You can say you don't want to get involved in it without acting like a morong publicly

[echoes-lighthouse]

Aw man I’ve seen like four people on my dash today with really internalized guilt about their taste in characters and fiction today and I’m just feeling bad about it. 

When I see blogs getting hatemail, it’s easy to push back and say that people are being mean, and cheer that person up by reminding them that they’re okay, they’re valid, as long as they’re tagging content they’re not hurting anyone, they have friends and a community that supports them and the haters don’t need to be listened to. 

But when people internalize the ‘fiction must be moral’ rhetoric and end up with ‘I love this story and I’ve tried not to because I think it’s bad to love it but I still enjoy it and now I feel like a bad person’ I just don’t know how to support and help them! 

I hope that, one way or another, people find peace. I wish that people didn’t believe that kinks and media consumption were reflections of people’s morality, and I wish that mindset didn’t seem to be growing on tumblr, which was (and still is, in large parts) a counterculture space. 

But if that’s part of what people believe, I hope they figure out a way to manage that sense of guilt, however works for them. I wish I could see a way to help. 

[gillipop-plus]

my stances and stuff:

pro endo/thoughtforms, MOGIA/LGTQIA2+, self diagnosis, BLM/ACAB, ed/sh/paraphilia recovery, mspec monos, contradictory labels

don't want to get involved in: shipcourse, tulpamancy as a plural term, bodily white systems with POC alters/verbal systems with nonverbal alters, any discourse around what's RAMCOA exclusive, shi/hir and fae/faer pronoun discourse

anti radqueer, contact (pedo/zoo), harassment/death threats/suibaiting, fakeclaiming

DNI bigot, mogai exclusionist, radqueer, safequeer, MAP/MAA, pro/complex contact zoo (or think it's a valid stance). anti endos on thin ice. If you interact with me and I'm on your DNI I'll take that as an invitation to break said DNI

interact only on anon if you post gore/horror/nsfw on your blog.

extended DNI under cut for if you're still unsure if you're on it. cw for dogwhisels

DNI bigot, MAGA, TERF, gender critical, anti transgenderism, anti gay, anti gay agenda, pro traditional family values, MAP/MAA, pedophile, pedosexual, pro/complex contact zoophile (or think it's a valid stance), zoosexual. interact only on anon if you post gore/horror/nsfw on your blog. (so no likes, comments or reblogs.) anti endos may interact but if you're really vocal and mean about it I may block.

x x x

[oddogoblino]

Probably gonna be a controversial post buuuttttt

Everytime I see some proshipper encouraging kids to be pro with them, something I've noticed is that they always try and twist what being an anti is to scare them & seem like they're protecting them. They're intentionally trying to make antis out to be like some religious old dad who wants nothing even remotely sexual to be shown & will always be angry, but that's really not true.

If you think that others not being allowed to be disgusting about kids (fictional or not, they're still kids and they know it. Its the whole fucking reason they're into them specifically- how is that not fucked up and cause for concern) and other shit like that that ruins a fandom as "being a prude" then I hope you get a reality check and stay away from minors!

The whole thing of being an anti is just...don't be fucking awful and disgusting towards kids and such like that. That's it. That's the big fucking whoop. Whoa, what a concept. Truly, impossible to please.

It's not the antis harassing people for just "not shipping smth right", those are just assholes who want to feel superior to others. Theyre just assholes, nothing else. That's not being an anti. If it's not over a legit issue, then that's being a dick who thinks their headcanons are gospel. Antis are against the actual bad shit that needs to stop bc it fucks up fandom experiences & gives safe spaces for predators.

You can be perverted all you want, ship things however you want, just don't be a creep and promote gross shit. You can portray this bad stuff, but actually PORTRAY it! Stop romanticizing and fet!shizing it! That's literally all antis want. How hard is that to understand? How hard is that to please?

[agerefandom]

What Counts As An Anti For My DNI? 

I got an anon saying that my previous answers were too vague and they wanted more details about the ‘anti-ship’ clause, so here’s my attempt at specification! 

I don’t want you interacting with my blog if: 

you harass people for the fanfiction they reblog or publish 

you post ‘call out’ posts about other blogs for their fictional content (or reblog other people’s call out posts) 

you post/reblog violent rhetoric against proshippers on your blog 

you are uncomfortable interacting with me knowing that I fall on the profic side of the spectrum of the censorship/AO3 debate

But what about 'this trope’?  

These policies apply to ALL fanfictions that are not about underage celebrities. They apply to all explicit fics, they apply to all ships. I do not view fictional content as a reason for harassment. 

If this is not enough for you and you want a list of media sorted into ‘yes this is fine’ and ‘no I don’t support this’ then I do have it, but I hope this suffices. I am anti-harassment. I support AO3 donations. I do not want people to read my fluffy villain pieces as endorsement of real-life replication of villainous actions, so I prefer the people who follow me to distinguish between fictional romanticization and real-life experience/knowledge of right and wrong.