#syscourse cw

[plural-culture-is]

Plural culture is slowly realizing over the course of your syscovery and involvement with the plural community how fucking disgusting anti endos are, and how much they sound exactly like homophobic and transphobic people you've encountered

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[the-alarm-system]

Stop Fucking Calling Pro-Endo Systems Groomers

As a victim of real genuine sexual abuse grooming, stop calling me and those you disagree with predators. I understand where anti endo traumagenic systems come from, you're a system that was horribly abused and now anything you perceive as a threat MUST be after the children because you are constantly hypervigilant. However labeling those who are out of your closed minded understanding as predators/groomers is extremely dangerous right-wing rhetoric and is not excusable by any amount of trauma you endured. This is the shit terfs do to trans people because they fucking hate when minorities fight back.

We as systems are already perceived by others as dangerous predators who are after the innocent, it is what we are to others as MAD people. It is what psychiatry labels us as a eugenicist attempt to eliminate those out of the normal from society with the fascist weapon of psychiatric wards.

This shit is so fucking harmful and develops fear in anti-endo spaces that doesn't let them see the existence of others as "they are just trying to groom me and traumatize me" when that's just genuine cult methodology. It also showcases those who stray from the normal views, especially those psychiatric standards, as monsters after the children. I get it, you endured hell, you see everyone who doesn't support your closed-minded bubble as another evil violent threat.

How the fuck do you fight for plural acceptance when you're constantly labeling systems, especially trans systems like myself, as fucking groomers. You guys seriously need to reevaluate your talking points, this is blatant ad hominen that is direct abuse towards systems. That includes systems like myself who endured real true genuine grooming, I see you all repeatedly accuse me of being a fucking predator and it's so infuriating because you're using abusive and traumatic terminology to trigger others into staying in your stupid anti endo space.

Can't even hide that this was about my works, these are almost the exact wording I used on my post. I've been groomed multiple fucking times, and that's not even my worse trauma, me spreading system positivity is not grooming you fucking weirdo. I'm sorry you fucking hate your plurality but I don't hate mine. - Ardyn

don't harass this person

even in my anger and hurt and trigger rage, i forgive them. they're another victim of psychiatry just like the rest of us.

[tommyssupercoolblog]

okay so let me check my notes umm... according to fakclaimers:

systems can only be kids because it only develops then, but also can only be adults over 20 or so because otherwise you're making it up for tiktok OR wouldn't possibly know yet, and you have to be diagnosed with DID/OSDD but you also have to be truamagenic or the diagnosis doesn't count even if it comes from a doctor, and if you're truamagenic but self diagnosed then you're lying or confused. if you're truamagenic AND diagnosed then you're a freak and dangerous to the public OR you have to live in secret or else you must be lying. you can't be plural on purpose through thoguhtform because then you're making yourself disabled and that's fetishizing but you also can't be plural against your will UNLESS you met the previous critera otherwise that wouldn't happen to you. and you can't call yourself a t-pla ever even though the controvery is around cultural appropriation and a stranger has no clue over the internet if you have the right to reclaim, which you VERY WELL MIGHT. but if you call yourself a thoughform you're cringe and too woke. if you're endogenic you can't call yourself a system but you also can't call yourself plural or a collective or anything else. If you're mixed-orgin you're just a confused truamagenic or a lying endogenic.

You also can't have introjects because that's cringe and cringe means you're lying but you also can't have original alters because then you're just roleplaying as OCs. as an introject you can't hate your source or be neutral because then why would you introject?? but you can't love them or else you're just a crazy fan pretending to be them. as an original alter you can't be TOO different from the original or that's just something out of a movie but you can't be alike because then you're not really an alter.

You can't have only nice alters who get along together because then you're faking and if you have alter conflict then you need to be locked up because you're probably a serial killer. and you have to only have split when you were little and can't split ever again even though that's something that happens all the time even past people's 20s, and you can't have any other disorder or you're just wrong about being plural, and you can't hate being plural because then you're attention seeking and clearly must be pretending to have a disorder for pity, and you can't love being plural because you're not allowed to love having a disorder or disability, and you can't be neutral about it because why the fuck wouldn't you have a big reaction to being so weird?? you're weird. so you must be lying about being weird because everyone else finds this shocking and disturbing or fascinating and surely so would you.

and you can't not date because then you're missing out (even if ur aro, ace, or aroace mostly) and you can't date because then you're abusing your partner and lying to them by being multiple people since you're clearly just one OR you're making them date strangers which is also bad, and you can't date another system because you can't know other systems personally or else you're all fakers, and you can't date in-headspace because that's too weird to be true. you can't all be striaght because that's unrealistic so you're faking but if your alters all have different sexualities that's a sure sign you're faking and just making up OCs and if you're all gay then you're ALSO faking and just trying to be Jefferson Miku Binder Woke and are a cringe SJW. You can't all be the same gender but you can't be different genders either and you can't have individual labels but if you id as genderfluid or pluralgender or something collective that's cringe and clearly a sign you're just a dumb lying teenager begging for attention.

you can't have a consistent host but also you can't have anyone other than the "original" front for too long. you can't be able to control switches but you also need to be able to "prove it" by switching in front of other people. you can't have different mannerisms or handwriting because that's overdone and dramatic and clearly just theatre and you can't have the same mannerisms or handwriting becase then you're clearly just lying. You can't think of yourself as one person because that's confusing, but you can't think of yourself as multiple people, because you share a body so CLEARLY you must be one singular person!!!!! If you use i/me pronouns you're faking and just forgetting to act plural as a plothole in ur lies and if you use we/us you're also faking and clearly only know about systems through tiktok. if you go by your infividual names you're being confusing and a hasstle and a bitch, but if you use a collective name or go by the og/host's name you're lying and a catfish abuser. if you get final fusion you're not plural anymore and don't get to talk about it. if you don't get final fusion you're a faker.

you can't literally be seperate because that makes no sense, you can't have more than one consciousness in one mind!! but you can't just be one person separated by memory walls with the EFFECT being "as if" you were actually seperate because then you're not really plural.

you can't act or dress normal because "we'd be able to tell" but you can't be visibly weird or plural because then you're fake, cringe, or both. you can't roleplay or cosplay because that means your plurality is cosplay too, but you can't avoid roleplaying and cosplaying because then you're crazy for identifying as another person than the og but not being able to dress up as a different person (and/or your source if ur an introject).

did i get it all?? no, probably, because there's way more rules and contradictions than even these, huh?? there's an infinite list of rules and ideas but really they're all just set dressing. all the conflicts just end up resulting in one, big rule. but they don't say the big rule because a long list like that, if it's spread out and not put in one post like this, doesn't look as mean. so it's easier to swallow it one bit at a time, to rule out one way of life after another, then to say it outright.

when every possible way to be is ruled out, you get the real rule, which is:

"If you're plural or a system, you can't exist."

there is no acceptable way to be plural. the only "correct" way to be plural is to be erased entirely.

[purpleflameb0i]

A thing made by Polkadot that we posted onto Bluesky a few days ago :]]

-Nova (she/her)

[snow-on-mtsilver]

I hate posting abt syscourse n all but this just came to my mind

Do sysmeds realize that the more they accuse endos and non disordered plurals of "claiming to have a disorder" means that more endos and non disordered plurals are more likely gonna do that because they "won't be accepted for not having a disorder"?

Like they are, potentially, creating something similar to the streisand effect in my opinion, something similar to what I'm explaining happened during my syscovery, i was around a few systems, i was even dating two at the time (i know one is anti endo and i think the other is too)

I thought i HAD to go to therapy and get a diagnosis in order to be a real system even though everyone was supportive of my syscovery

I didn't even know there were systems that weren't disordered or weren't traumagenic at the time, i thought that if i was a system i had to be disordered and traumatized because i wasn't given resources that proved otherwise, which caused a lot of doubt

And you know what I've been doing after realizing i was mixed origins and non disordered? I HID IT from the two discord servers I'm active in out of fear, hell I'm still not open about it, and that's because of sysmeds. Only like three people in one of the servers know about it and I'm dating two of them.

So even IF endos or non disordered plurals don't realize they aren't disordered and/or traumagenic, they'll still believe that they have a disorder if that's what everything and everyone says, it's all a loop of doubt and fear because of sysmeds

(yes i am using sysmeds instead of anti endos for this entire post because they are two different things in my opinion)

[just-another-userbox-maker]

Just a reminder:

I am pro-endo. Please do not interact/use my userboxes if you are anti-endo, thank you.

[eldricourse]

the CDD, DID and OSDD tags being filled with syscourse is actually so annoying. Like I do not give a goddamn fucking shit about syscourse if I am scrolling through those tags. I just wanna see shit about my own fucking discorder.

like at least tag it with syscourse.

its also just annoying how many ppl tag their unrelated posts with shit like "endos dni" or "endos fuck off"

like actually you fuck off LMAO. your edits have nothing to do with fucking syscourse bro.

[officialvoxtek]

so I noticed "endos dni" in your tags and I was just wondering what that meant

i literally couldn't find anything online, the closest I could find was some slang around weed and a type of bike trick

also endometriosis

It means I don't wish for those who claim to be endogenic systems to interact. These people believe that you can be a system without trauma, which is scientifically disproven, and harmful misinformation.

Nothing to do with drugs or bikes! :]

[report-rqs]

Radqueers really think that the diagnostic criteria for a disorder is just a suggestion, huh? As someone who both has DID and knows non-traumagenic plurality exists, I would like to remind everyone:

DID is a specific mental disorder.

Specific mental disorders have recognized causes and diagnostic criteria.

It is completely free to read the diagnostic criteria for a disorder online.

If you don't fit the diagnostic criteria for a disorder, you don't have it.

You cannot make yourself have a disorder if you think you want it.

I didn't gain DID because I had heavy media attachments or whatever the fuck, I developed it from severe abuse over a decade. My traumagenic plurality is not the same as other forms of plurality and you cheapen the experience of survivors like myself by implying that it is exactly the same.

Hope that helps.

[schizosupport]

And since that post I reblogged from myself is kind of general, yes, among other things, that post is about how I think psychotic people have been overwhelmingly thrown under the bus, silenced and hurt in the so-called "syscourse" that's been happening on this site (and presumably elsewhere) for years.

And I think we get to have emotions about that.

I'm so sorry to everyone who's been made to feel like a bad person for experiences outside their control, or anyone who has been pushed into a delusional headspace to "justify" their experiences.

Psychotic and schizospec people have always had a complicated relationship with our "self", and there are a plethora of ways in which psychotic disorders can cause experiences referred to as "plurality".

There's nothing immoral about these experiences, and it's pretty fucked up to suggest that there is.

(I'm not saying that atypical plurality is always related to psychosis btw, I'm just saying that atypical experiences of plurality are huge in the psychotic community, and that's something that's near and dear to me)

[plural-culture-is]

plural culture is I should really filter the anti endo tag .[forgets to

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[the-alarm-system]

The Best way to Combat Anti-Endogenics is Loving Yourselves.

Whether you are traumagenic or endogenic, the best way to combat this infighting and fakeclaiming is to love yourself and your headmates and to write about how wonderful and in love you are with your systemhood.

I have been on both sides, I've endured self hatred and felt self acceptance and it is what led my stance on syscourse.

As many have observed, there has been a lot of pressure on anti-endogenics, many have switched, psychologist have agreed with us, professionals have agreed with us, now all those left on the anti endo wall are simply held back by one thing, something that holds them back no matter how many sources you cite to them. That thing is:

self loathing. the amplification of plural struggle. the agony of being a "broken" individual because you have a disorder.

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Why does this happen exactly? The focus of origin, the fact that they are so focused over their existence being trauma based and nothing more. To them, system=trauma, system=negative, system cannot be more than trauma. To them endos are systems= endos want trauma=endos think my trauma is good (instead of endos are systems, endos think being a system is good, not trauma).

If positivity was amplified, and real positivity not just validation, there would be a chance that systems may see this and realize that they don't just have to center their existence around their suffering. Trauma may be where I come from, but I can be more than it ever was. I am more than my origin, you are more than your origin.

When I was in anti-endo circles, system equaling suffering pushed me away from accepting myself, but when I found pro-endos I realized that systemhood didn't have to always be bad, no matter how much I suffered.

Being alongside endos was healing me, I was disordered, I was different, but I didn't have to focus on the negative. I didn't have to exist on the negative. I was disordered, but I wasn't seen as broken the same way anti endos viewed me. I was just different, thats all.

Watching endogenics love themselves made me do the same, it made me also support them and love them.

So to Endogenic systems,

LOVE YOURSELF

BE YOURSELF

LOUDER AND LOUDER

TELL US ABOUT HOW YOU LOVE YOUR SYSMATES

TELL US ABOUT HOW SYSTEMHOOD SAVED YOU

TELL US ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE MADE YOU ALL HAPPY TO BE PLURAL

YOU ARE LOVED MORE THAN YOU ARE HATED, I CARRY MORE LOVE FOR YOU THAN ALL ANTIS DO HATE

Stop trying to argue and bicker with them that you're valid, because you being valid or not doesn't matter

Your happiness does.

[system-of-a-feather]

Not to undermine me saying I don't do syscourse, but honestly, I really really love hearing from people who dont fit into the binary of no trauma endogenic and classic DID traumagenic. I'll admit I don't understand no trauma endogenic stuff cause I don't really understand no traums people In General (#CPTSDThings) and while I support them, I struggle to fathom or generate an idea of how plurality would work without trauma just cause trauma either serves as the foundation or coating for almost everything in mu life.

Individuals that don't really fall into the stereotypical / classical clinical understanding of DID but do have trauma and trauma / dissociative symptoms I CAN fathom and understand a lot better and tbh they've really broadened my idea of the development of self and general experiences of dissociation and they really do present a challenge to the current commonly understood way of approaching DID / dissociations / alterations of self in a clinical setting / etc and it gives my brain that likes research and to synthesize materials and come up with ideas just a really nice brain itch

(And like yes this is just a love letter to @indigochromatic and @quiogenicfromhell /hj)

But it does sadden me some thst a lot of spaces consider their existence to be controversial and syscourse cause tbh it really shuts down some really interesting and productive conversations

[radiomogai]

I'm sorry but complaining because some people have a boundary (being anti endo) is so stupid. /nay radio

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[project--sekai]

quick reminder! this blog is very much pro-endo. i have anti-endos in my dni, so please unfollow me if you fit that criteria!

[fictionkinfessions]

the only server we can find for fictives of our source suddenly is so syscoursey and invalidating some types of systems and its making me anxious, sad, uncomfortable;-; i thought they were neutral on it.....i don't know what to do now it the only server i feel like anyone likes me...gonna cry.

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