#tw trans discourse

[fortheloveofpiggy]

Cis women who take testosterone aren’t taking from trans men and cis men who take estrogen aren’t taking from trans women. Everyone should have the right to look how they want. Deconstruct gender for everyone not just trans people.

[eliterscopes]

problem i have with trans people is gatekeeping . like the whole kalvin garrah bullshit we went through back in the day of like "youre not passing" and that nonbinary people were wasting healthcare or something . i think the analogy i have in my head for it is,

if we try to purify the world of "bad" (fakers / "trenders" in this case) then sure people in theory would get rid of a lot of them or even all of the bad. you surround yourself with the "good" people. but then surrounded by good people and only good people, you then start to pick up on small very minor "bad" things, and then cast them out too

like even the truest of true stealth trans person will still enjoy something from the "other gender", that's just a human standard. interests clothes whatever aren't gendered so passing 100% is impossible unless you are already cis. because are you bad for being full stealth trans dude but still knowing how to do someone else's makeup or like a trans woman still having an interest in the sport she used to play??? <- to give a stereotypical example but you get the gist

even trying to pass to some degree is nice yes but its not a good idea to force yourself to pass just to be checkmarked as "good trans". instead its best to just do what you want to do , socially physically whatever , and whoever WANTS to fuck with hormones and surgery - let them. that's their choice. we're all like "Break the gender binary" but we are reinforcing it in our own fucked up evil way.

nonbinary people are just seen as like a "pick a side" when nonbinary people are their own fucking thing it's not a 3rd gender it's something else!! and whatever the fuck that might be as crazy or unbelievable or "unrealistic" or "humiliating" it is for your dumbass, why not instead of shaming people for wanting to be happy and sucking up to the cis people you be "obnoxious" and "annoying" too. we don't live in the cis world anymore besties

[shy-writes]

so like trans women are women and i can not believe we're doing this again

[eliterscopes]

followup to my other post but is it just me or is the whole “men/masc not allowed” thing in the lgbt community also branching into non-men/mascs.

like listen to me. amab nonbinary people are never given the time of day and people say they barely exist and when they do exist people are skeptical because they believe its just some cis guy making fun of the nb identity.

trans women / transfemmes who don’t voice train or who arent full stealth are instantly shut down or seen as fetishists a lot more often than the ones who are full passing or stealth, or seen as a threat or a predator.

and anyways about actual men or non/mascs it just pisses me off that again people must be feminine in order to be accepted as a non-violation. the whole “girl and her twink” think has become so overdone its actually kind of gross?

being masculine isn’t a fucking crime dude idk . pls tell me what u think bc this feels like smth im just now realizing.

[graph100]

this is how bad things start

[eliterscopes]

really hate to be that guy but yeah trans mascs have to kind of soften themselves quite a bit even within their own circles because being “masculine” is seen as threatening i feel which. Cis men are threatening yes but because theyre consciously threatening, they use their biological cis male privilege to get away with it because of the patriarchal system also.

being masculine is not a bad thing though it just means being masculine. it doesn’t come attached with being an asshole or a threat unless you make yourself a problem which most (but not all) do.

the bit about “men yucky” is also where a lot of problems arise because there are people within the lgbt community that shun (kind) cis males and transmascs/butches for being “men” / mascs when theyre just as queer as everyone else. feminism and queerness is about equality and accessibility for everyone

My sister in Christ trans men are constantly infantilized and forcibly feminized and being masculine is punished by our peers because inside queer spaces it’s always ‘men yucky’ or ‘men evil’ like friendly reminder that not all masculinity is praised and not all femininity is punished

Most trans people were forced into a role they didnt want. Forcemasc is directed to transmascs and butches, not trans women. Same way around with forcefem.

[alexs-life-is-a-bit]

some of you need to wake up and realize, the government does not want to make life difficult for us. they want us GONE. "these laws aren't fair and are leaving out ____ group" they don't care. they dont care about our discomfort, they dont care about accidentally harming other groups. they want to make things so bad that people stop transitioning. they want to make it so difficult for us that we slowly lessen, and lessen, until there's so few of us that they can completely wipe us out. DO NOT GIVE IN. PLANT YOUR FEET DEEPER. we need more trans people now than ever. do not divide yourself from the community, please please please keep pushing. don't give up. that is exactly what they want. stop pitting aginst your own community. please. we need to work together.

[thisismajortomtogaycontrol]

Whenever I see stuff about ‘trans men shouldn’t be able to say the f slur’ I just think about the time when I was 14 and got asked to homeschool prom by a straight guy 2 years older than me from the southern Baptist church I was raised in after he told me I was a third choice because every other girl he asked rejected him and then he proceeded to spend the entire night calling me a faggot behind my back whenever he got the chance to anyone that would listen. So yeah actually. As a trans man who’s been called a fag more than once I’ll say I’m a fag if I want too.

[myweirdassthoughts69]

Transphobes really forget about weight classes when talking about trans people in martial arts.

[maria-lukas]

I never feel more alienated from the trans community in general and other transfems in particular than when I see people going after "TMEs" and "transandrophobia truthers" and so on, ostensibly in the name of defending people like me. Or derailing their own perfectly decent points about transmisogyny by including some irrelevant, gratuitous dig at transmascs (or intersex people or "theyFABs" or whoever the target of the day is).

What the fuck are you doing? Do you get some kind of rush from deflecting TERFisms onto targets you've decided are more deserving or privileged than yourselves? What are you trying to achieve? If you want to do some weird 70s separatism tribute act then please just go your own way already and leave everyone else alone.

As a transfem who is not a woman and doesn't pass as one I don't trust "TMA/TME" proponents to have my back in any case. And I'm much more wary of engaging with trans spaces than I used to be because of this bullshit.

I'm so sorry to everyone who has been fucked over by this tendency. I hope we can get over it. Can we please collectively at least try to get a grip and maybe rethink how we're doing things a little bit? Because unless the goal really is self-cannibalization it's not working is it?

[gor3sigil]

Cis Queer Bitches be like "Yeah I'm an intersectional feminist, I want everyone to feel safe and want to create a space for radical love and acceptance !!" then basically put a bouncer at the entry of the LGBTQ+ center to make sure the people coming to the "women and enbies ONLY" event are, indeed, women and enbies.

Edit: disabling reblogs since terfs decided to tear me down lmao

[ggo-sinon]

imma block you if you ever use the term theyfab derogatorily. no exceptions. even if we're friends in person. its a fucking 4chan slur that ppl on this site just decided to buy into so they could hate on people. i see it slung toward non-medical afab nbs, transmascs on T, and generally anyone with a presumed pussy that these people decide are "not trans enough" and its gross. TMA/TME is a similar red flag but has entered more mainstream acceptance, so its a less good litmus test.

You dont get to know if im a transfemme or transmasc, or something else making this post. It shouldn't matter. Fuck you if you treat people you're ostensibly in community with this way.

[bopperclowning]

“is forcemasc transmisogynistic” you guys know its just forcefem but with the genders swapped. you know that right. forcemascing is largely targeted to ftm as gender affirming. the thing ur actually mad about is detrans which does suck