I started in DC by reading fanfics, but as I began to read actual comics, I started to be unable to read the actual fanfic that got me into it in the first place because it's so out of character.
But there are still some stories that I love to read because I love the found family trope so much, even if it isn't really accurate to the source material.
As a comics purist (sometimes), are there tropes that you like enough that you'll still enjoy a fic even if it's not accurate to canon?
oh my god this is SUCH a fun question. bc while i started with the comics, there were certain characters and/or character dynamics where i was exposed to the fanon before the canon (just bc it's hard to read everything when you start out just to read some fanfic) and so i've definitely experienced the fanon to canon transition. (*especially* with Jason Todd. i had only read 80s/90s stuff where he was already dead or the New-52 bc that was on-going when i got into comics and man. the fanon misunderstandings i had about him before i got frustrated and sat down to read all his pre-Flashpoint stuff were absolutely bonkers.) and aside from that, whilst i tend to prefer canon over fanon, i'm not past giving fanon its flowers for occasionally having really interesting insights. occasionally. so some of my fanon "guilty pleasure" tropes would probably be
Morally Grey Tim Drake - this is one where if you try to back it up with canon, i *will* get salty about it. of everyone in the Batfam aside from maybe Bruce and Cass, Tim has the *most* black and white morals. often his internal conflicts are routed in such an inability to compromise his moral views and it can cause him to clash with other characters. he's *very* stiff and rigid in his beliefs and is *rare* to compromise in even the smallest ways. i mean, DC has repeatedly used Tim Drake of Tomorrow/Savior/Gun Batman!Tim for a reason. it's to demonstrate that of everyone, Tim *cannot* have his morals compromised. there's no grey area for him. he's zero or a hundred, so if he tips over the edge of "too far" he tips *all the way*, and doing so is one of his worst fears, how he could go "too far" if he let himself. a couple panels out of context from Red Robin (2009) (which was a grief spiral for Tim to begin with) don't change that. now that said. if it's done *right*, i sort of love Tim being morally grey in fanfic. it takes a specific flavor for me, and it's incredibly important to include that mental spiral along with it, of him struggling to justify it. i don't have any interest in "Tim Drake is loosy goosy with Bruce's morals and has the highest kill count and no one knows teehee" bc it doesn't play with the interesting parts of making Tim morally grey, which are fracturing his psyche. but all in all, i think it's fun to put Tim in a morally grey area and i will read it in fanfic and i enjoy writing it a lot
Joker Junior!Tim Drake - i've not written it on this account (yet) but on my main ao3 account one of my biggest fics surrounds this concept. this is one of those "well *technically* it's canon but only in a specific very divorced from the comics universe and would not work at all in the main timeline" so, i categorize it as fanon in that 95% of fics exploring the concept are not doing so within the Batman Beyond universe, but the main timeline. i just love it. I'll take any excuse to whump Tim, but this concept is so fun. psychologically breaking Tim will always be my favorite pastime. there are so many ways to explore the long-term effects this could have on him, how it could affect the Batfam. i'm not a fan of it being used as a "gotcha" to Jason or Babs' trauma with the Joker to paint Tim as the Ultimate Victim, but it is fun to see how their relationships would be affected by being mutual victims of him. (i have a vague JayTim idea where TIm fully retires from being Robin after being Joker Junior and killing the Joker, making Steph Robin for most of his typical Robin era and Jason still tracks him down out of curiosity bc he wants to know what happened and all. very underbaked but i've got thoughts.)
Renegade/Apprentice of Slade!Dick Grayson - this is another one where yes, this happened *sort of* in canon, but i highly doubt most people writing Renegate!Dick have read or are actually pulling from Nightwing: Renegade. it's just an exploration fo the concept fo Dick being Slade's apprentice and i will always eat it up in any capacity. whether Dick grows up with Slade from a young age, or chooses Slade for whatever reason later in life. it's not anything that works in canon bc it compromises Dick morally (similar to the above with Tim) and therefore will always come across incredibly fanon in most fics. but i can't say i don't enjoy it. it's fun to make Dick a little morally fucked up and see what you can make him under Slade's tutelage.
Jason & Damian Meeting in the League -there's no world where i believe this could work in the canon comics. (maybe in the Young Justice cartoon i suppose, but even then i think it's iffy) i would go as far to say it's wildly unrealistic. i don't see a world where Ra's would let Jason anywhere *near* Damian, bc Jason was Talia's pet project that he didn't approve of. that all said, there's something very interesting about how they *could've* met and them potentially bonding during that timeframe. them being somewhat brotherly during this time because Jason sees Bruce in Damian and sort of latches onto the kid and Damian is full of wonder hearing real stories about Batman and Robin, then that getting violently ripped away by Jason leaving the League is fun to me. it's fun how that could affect them within the Batfam and all. it's super fanon to me, but i do not care. i will eat it up
Bad Dad Clark Kent/Good Dad Lex Luthor - i will admit as a late, i've been less and less kind to this particular fanon bc of everything i've argued with people about, *this* one seems the most pervasive as misunderstood fanon. i don't mind when fanon exists, my gripe is when ppl try to claim it's canon. and the *arguments* i've had over this with people who can never seem to cite an actual comic are... frustrating. but that said, i think there is something fun to this strictly in fanon. the duality of who you expect to accept Kon and who you expect to hurt him being flipped is just sort of fun for the occasional guilty pleasure fic. it can make Kon's internal conflict a bit more interesting. the same goes for the Jon favoritism from Clark, it's not a canon thing (and i rlly wish ppl understood how complicated the timeline of Kon and Jon is and any distance from Clark toward Kon isn't malice, it's that Kon is from a timeline that Clark does not remember in the current canon so Clark just straight up doesn't know the poor kid.) but it's sort of fun to give Kon that complex of being overlooked and forgotten sometimes. making Kon just a *bit* more Luthor than Kent will *always* appeal to me in fanfic, especially if he *knows* it's wrong but craves approval from anyone who will give it.
Good Dad Bruce Wayne - i'll die on the hill Bruce is canonically a shitty father. maybe not to the extreme some people write him as, but he's not great at it. that said, i enjoy it in fanfiction. sometimes, i just want silly fluff or hurt/comfort where Bruce finally gets it right and manages to comfort whatever Batkid is in the fic. one of my favorite fics of all time is hinged on Bruce being a good dad, so i think it's just fun to explore how good the relationships *could* be, if Bruce was slightly less of an asshole. i usually prefer him as an asshole, but there are times i want low stakes nonsense.
Gotham Rogues Having Soft Spots for Robin(s) - just about every Rogue in Gotham has done something absolutely irredeemable, and most of them don't like or care about anyone in the Batfamily. but if there's a fic where one of the Robins inexplicably is sort of close with a Rogue and they have a cute silly relationship out of it? I'll eat it up i fear. Steph and the Riddler are besties? I'll believe it. Tim and Scarecrow get along pretty well? give me ten of these. Rogues protecting Robins just hits a spot. the unexpected nature of the relationship, as well as the fact they see each other regularly, can make a lot of good fodder.
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Desi, @herefortarlos, oh so lovingly put the Bodyguard AU back on my radar and while it's been collecting a little dust, I very much still plan to publish it one of these days. Until then, here's a little sneak peek for your enjoyment:
Christine begins to explain who Carlos is and what he’ll be doing. Carlos is doing his best to stay present, but he’s drawn to the tanned stretch of skin that peeks out when TK goes to stretch his arms.
When he finally does tear his eyes away, he looks up and sees TK staring right at him, a ghost of a smile gracing his face. Not enough to pull focus from Christine, but enough to let Carlos know he wasn’t discreet.
“TK, are you listening to me?” Christine’s voice starts to fade back in, her voice sounding clearer. Carlos takes a breath that’s heavier than usual, trying to right himself again. TK’s got a great face, and even greater body, but his character is anything but.
“Yes, Christine,” He nods at Carlos. “Smoke show here is my new babysitter, are we done?”
“No, we’re not,”
“I’m going to go take a shower,” TK interrupts, clearly done with the conversation. Christine reacts like she’s used to being treated like this before. “Clean myself of last night’s hedonism.” He goes to walk back down the hallway, but stops in his step. He turns his head, looking directly at Carlos. “No peeking, yeah?”
He winks and leaves Carlos to sit with a pacing heart, burst of adrenaline and a lingering thought that he would deem inappropriate. Christine doesn’t seem phased by the interaction, maybe she’s used to it.
Carlos decides that’s another reason that his attraction to TK is no more than quick fire infatuation. He’s known as the playboy of his generation and Carlos is starting to see that label is true to fact.
“You’ll have to forgive him.” Christine sighs, grabbing her cell phone from her back pocket. Carlos can hear the sound of the shower starting; wondering if it’s always this loud. “I think with the movie wrapping and the announcement of the tour, he’s just a little all over the place right now.”
“Is that something I’ll be making a habit out of?” Carlos intercepts Christine’s attempt at a second hand apology. “Forgiving him?”
Christine isn’t quick to say anything back, and Carlos wonders if this is the first time he’s asked a question that’s stumped her. He can’t imagine being in her shoes, something tells him this isn’t TK at his worst.
Carlos chuckles mirthlessly. “Don’t worry, I like a bit of a challenge.”
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do you ship helena bertinelli with anyone? if yes, then which characters and why? what's your favorite helena ship? do you have any helena rarepairs? (i know you've talked about helena/steph and you're so right about it, it's a very interesting ship)
!!!! i have so many ships for my best girl ever yes oh my god thank you for asking.
my top pairing is probably Vic Sage/the Question. Vic is the basic answer, but man. i love them so much. no couple has matched each other's freak like that have. Justice League Unlimited is a great adaptation of Helena in general, but it also did a great adaptation of Helena and Vic's relationship. how he just dedicates himself to helping her with no expected return, but also wants to make sure she doesn't go too far in a hunt for vengeance that never ends for her. i think a lot of characters often want to change Helena or expect things out of her for their own needs, like the Batfam and the BoP. but Vic is one of the few people who just wants her to be better for her own good. when he tries to stop her from killing it's not because of his morals, it's because he doesn't want this crusade to consume her. and i just. man i think about them a lot. Helena rlly likes weird little men who give themselves wholly to her.
Zinda Blake/Lady Blackhawk is also a top ship for me. tbh i just like Zinda. but i do love how Helena and Zinda interact, being the more rough and tumble members of the BoP. they're both outsiders, in different ways. Helena is an outsider of the Batfam and Zinda is literally from a different time and an outsider to the current world. their friendship is so genuine and i think if Babs and Dinah can have. whatever homoerotic nonsense going on during BoP, then Zinda and Helena deserve some homoerotic nonsense too. as a treat.
if we're willing to count New-52 Helena, then i enjoy Helena/Dick/Tiger. i think Helena and Dick being a past relationship is really important in pre-Flashpoint for Helena's development, though i don't ship them as a serious couple beyond a fling. but in the New-52, i think this throuple be fun. Helena and Tiger respect each other as two very driven, no-nonsense agents and then well. they both clearly have some kind of thing for Dick. so it's fun finding the balance of how they could all work together romantically.
and ofc. it's a crime to mention Helena ships and not mention Renee Montoya/the Question. every time they interact it's really fucking gay. it's so gay that Kate Kane, Renee's own ex, assumed Helena and Renee were gay. i cannot be convinced against this ship. i genuinely think this ship should be canon. i mean. DC did tease us with this moment from an alternate universe and it's lived rent for me since. fucking criminal for us to only get one panel of what we could have if DC let Helena be a fruit in the main universe. being in love with Helena Bertinelli should be a right of passage for the Question mantle, i personally believe. if you asked me like. genuinely who i want to see Helena date in the current comics, Renee is my top pick. (i would say Vic but he's fucking dead and the New-52 butchered him so rip my mans-)
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besides those ships, just about every ship for Helena probably falls into the category of rarepair. like you said i've talked about my love for Helena/Steph before bc god. i think it should be a thing more people ship. once i finish the fic i'm writing about them i will convince others to like it.
i also think Helena/Cass could be fun. in a *lot* of ways Helena and Cass are narrative parallels to each other. Helena was a victim of her family being murdered at about the same age Cass was forced to be a murderer. Helena grows up to believe in lethal justice because of this, and Cass grows up to be staunchly against it. Cass' Batgirl suit was made *by* Helena. they both want to be protectors of the most vulnerable people. they balance each other out in a lot of ways and i think they should kiss about it.
also probably a rarepair, i think Helena/Lady Shiva is fun. their fight during Birds of Prey (2010) had... questionable moments for Helena's characterization, but i do love so much that Helena knocks Shiva off her feet and gains a deep respect from Shiva. like. Shiva gives her a nickname and shows her admiration. i would like to see fanfic where Shiva continues to be weirdly admirable of Helena and bothering her non-stop. they could be a fun fucked up toxic yuri moment. this is just. so gay to me.
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my most rare Helena pair would probably be Helena Wayne, actually. but specifically Helena Wayne of JSA (2022). ever since, for some reason, it was made canon that the current Helena Wayne was named after Helena Bertinelli and took the name Huntress to honor her i *cannot* stop thinking about them meeting. because in-universe it makes *no* fucking sense for Bruce to name his kid after *Helena Bertinelli*, someone he's regularly at odds with and doesn't like. it's clearly an awkward explanation to try to make the whole two Huntress situation make sense. (it's almost as bad as Helena Wayne in the New-52 using Helena Bertinelli as an alias.) but because it's such an odd choice, i do think it could be fun for Helena Wayne, when she's back in time to see Bruce, to find Helena Bertinelli to get to know the woman she was named after and Helena Bertinelli just being. baffled by the idea of *Batman* naming his kid after her. it could be a fun fucked up moment.
my other super rarepair is Kara Zor-L/Power Girl. they had like. one meaningful interaction of JSA Classified and it's been PLAGUING me. something about when Power Girl doesn't remember her past and she's seeking a friend, she instinctively goes to find Huntress? but it's wrong bc this isn't *her* Huntress and neither of them understand why Power Girl would seek Helena out? god it's so good. i'm always a big fan of ships where one person in the ship is *so* obviously using the other person as a replacement for someone they lost and they both know it. it's such a doomed angsty thing where you could play with Helena actually really liking Kara, but knowing that she's just a replacement for Kara's Helena Wayne. good fucked up shit man.
and lastly: i really ship her with Dawn Granger/Dove. there's no canon basis for this, they didn't have a ton of interactions even when they were both on the BoP. but there's a very kind innocence to Dawn that contrasts Helena's violence really well. and i do love a ship with a corruption kink vibe to it. let Helena corrupt Dawn. i could write such fucked up porn about these two.
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choking on words - part 1
"a visitor? how unexpected"
putting my feelings into words seems to be simply impossible. I have this burning, gnawing pressure in my chest and nothing I do seems to release it. so I am trying something new, trying to use music as a way to get my words to the other side. this might be incomprehensible in parts, I am just going with the flow, and be as raw as possible. this is a window right into my heart and soul, this is vulnerable. I need to make myself vulnerable.
"reverse the thoughts in my mind and see them chakras inflated. I hope to carry it all in my head, I'm all out to fake it"
who am I? that question stands unanswered, even after years and years of searching. I'm a werewolf, I know what I am, but not who. what does all of this mean? how do my values, morals, experiences, feelings and scars become someone? there's a cold, dead void right where a person should be and I can't seem to fill it. all I pour in falls staright into the abyss. I mean, I logically know I am someone and I can identify my characteristics and all of that, but the void is never satisfied.
"got my prescriptions so vancant, like gone. when I wanna leave praise the sun, when I wanna need patience to cope with the cost - evasion, numb"
I feel like a fraud, an impostor and the deeper I look into myself, the colder I feel. I wonder how it all ties together. the thing is, most of the time I don't even feel bad about feeling void. In a way, I became the void. I am my own emptiness and being a werewolf seems to play into that. I am so heavily tied to anger and rage, hating everything and wanting to run and run forever, leaving things behind I don't even know. I don't know what I'm running from, just that I am, I need to.
"I got replacements in my pack, no love if they don't come back. I see them burning, no passion, just a furnace until they're ash"
we're spiralling around each other, me and the void, me and the monster, gravitating towards the other and in the end ripping each other apart. not able to exist alone, but also not together, and yet, there is only me - I am the monster. I never could relate to those who find silliness and happiness in their nonhumanity. while I am proud and happy to be a werewolf, I do not find happiness as a werewolf. it is a direct manifestation of my trauma, of unresolved and unreleased pain - and so much rage.
"don't wanna see deceit, don't wanna see their seed. proceed, I mean it, they're all waste to me"
being nonhuman is so much more to me than just... being nonhuman. right now, I don't only feel like a werewolf, but I feel dead, eternal, nonexisting and trancending my whole being all at once. it feels like there's an orb of dark energy sitting in my chest, sending waves through me and all matter, making me float and sink to the bottom, making me feel so powerful and like nothing matters, everything and nothing. it's ripping at the edges of my whole being and I can't tell where I begin and end. interestingly, it's not a bad feeling. I just feel incredibly alone. it doesn't feel like anyone, ever will really understand.
"always searching for something I cannot explain. will have you left on the outside - well, I'm not here"
the only thing that seems to be canalizing my raw emotions is music. the feelings some songs give me, if I could make sure someone else would feel exactly the same I do when listening to them, i would know they'd understand me. they'd get it. but I can't be sure of that - and so, I will remain alone. I've always felt alone, deep down. it's just this sinking feeling nobody will ever truly know me, because putting some feelings into words is just impossible - that doesn't mean I am lying to people, there are some very few people in my life who I completely unmask about. but there is this lingering feeling that it is simply impossible to me to truly, fully open myself up.
"I know I'm locked inside, not here. I know I'm locked inside, no glass unbroken, I peer through"
and I honestly think that is a thing which applies to literally everyone, the human language is limited in its capacities - I just wonder why I seem to care so deeply about this fact. explaining myself through nonhumanity is the closest I can get, other nonhumans will always be the ones who understand me best (aside from my boyfriend, the connection I have with him is the best and realest I've ever had with anyone). but still, I can only use words to describe myself, how do you apply something so mundane as words to a conceptual feeling that extends your own mind?
"where's my profit now? with no rear view, all my mistakes go to Medusa. waste away with seasons I'm used to"
the intesting part is, although all of this must seem like a vent, it is not. every time I dig into myself, I get closer to the void, and drift away from myself - dissociation, depersonalisation. but... not really. it's like I said, it's everything and nothing at once. I feel extremely grounded, yet extremely out of it but I love this feeling - and feel nothing about it. the point is, the point I am trying to desperately to make, is that I'm more - more than human, more than a werewolf, more than nothing. but this "more"-feeling can not be described.
"and I'll be swallowing centipedes, just to gather a day. and I can tolerate emptiness, all to tread on new planes"
all of this, all of the above is the reason why I struggle so hard to make posts about my nonhumanity. there is a feeling sitting in my chest and I want to tell other's about it, but when I try to get it out... there are no words. if I make posts, I want to make them meaningful - at least to me, I need to feel like I am actually contributing something, and not just talk about shifts, when they're so daily and... insignificant to me, in the big picture. I want to talk about experiences, true experiences. maybe this technique right here might help, even tho it will all get rambly as hell.
"in my Fountainhead Palace"
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