bman and jason have a seriously strained relationship as is, and our braindead coma patients at DC have no interest in fixing it because Drama Sells, so what do you think would genuinely help these two get back to something real?
Ooh, great question, Anon! Thank you :)
So, right if the bat (pun intended) we know that Bruce and Jason don’t get along well, specifically because of their dissimilar morals.
In DC comics, Bruce only sees in a black or white, this or that way of thinking. It’s either ‘continue to fight crime and leave the rest to the justice system’ OR ‘focus on controlling crime and killing criminals to protect others’. Jason on the other hand sees both of these as opposing morals, and he also recognizes that there is a middle ground which is ‘get rid of the absolute worst of them’. Because Jason understands Bruce, he knows that nothing will make Bruce take a life or do things differently (I mean, his own death didn’t make a difference to Bruce’s morals), but Jason also believes that Bruce doesn’t have to change who he is, he just needs to accept that Jason’s methods are right for Gotham. Ultimately Bruce killing Joker for Jason would have helped their relationship, because Jason would have known that he was loved and his life was worth more than the clown’s. And in UTRH Jason says “I’m not talking about cobblepot or riddler or Dent… I’m talking about him, just him” Bare with me, I know that Jason says this regarding Bruce killing Joker for a different reason being -Joker’s crime was a lot more personal. However I still feel like regardless if Joker hadn’t killed Jason, Jason would still feel the same way about Joker- meaning he’d still think Joker deserves to die because of the sheer brutality and sadism and absolute power the clown has on Gotham & it’s people. (More than any other Gotham city rogues!)
So back to the point, if Bruce acknowledged (like Jason does!) the middle ground of killing the worst of the worst, then that would bring the two closer together.
Listen, I get that Bruce killing would forever change ‘The Batman’, but Bruce doesn’t have to kill people to accept the ideology because he knows Jason is right, he knows crime is down because of Jason. But NO!, DC has to make him beat the shit out of his son instead of having a fucking conversation.
Which brings me to this point. For some reason DC seems to think that these two have to fight no matter what. If they went to have soup with Alfred they’d still end up punching each other for whatever reason. It’s ridiculous. Is this what they think readers want? I completely agree with you, Anon. Drama sells, unfortunately.
The next point is that Bruce needs to actually have faith in his son because guess what?, Jason needs his father’s support to do good. Actual good. Bruce second guessing Jason and not trusting him with missions is exactly what gets Jason frustrated, causing him to feel inferior, worthless, or unlovable in Bruce’s eyes. From a psychological perspective, if Bruce trusted Jason and told him he trusted him, Jason would feel so much better about himself and their relationship. It’s so much better for a child to prove their parents are right for trusting them (motivating them positively) than having a child strive to prove their parents wrong (motivating them negatively). Bruce needs to stop being so condescending and Jason will finally feel heard. Bruce treats him like a child which is just so wrong and demeaning.
Last point is that Bruce needs to spend more time with Jason as Bruce and not as Batman. Sometimes Jason needs his father and that’s okay. It’s up to Bruce to be there for him. Whether Jason is an adult or not, he should be able to feel like he can call or visit or ask for help from Bruce without Bruce getting angry or telling him he’s off the mission.
At this point DC just needs to get the whole family seeing some therapists.
In conclusion, things that would help mend Bruce and Jason’s relationship:
Finding a common middle ground among their morals
Bruce should not beat his sons regardless if they are ‘criminals’ in his eyes or not
Bruce killing the Joker (this would bring Jason closer to Bruce, but it does cause some changes in Bruce’s character).
COMMUNICATION (this is the first step in therapy probably)
Having them be partners and act like partners. Bruce needs to get off his high horse and stop being so condescending to Jason.
Similar to the above-Bruce needs to trust Jason and make sure Jason knows Bruce trusts him.
Spend more time outside of crime fighting. Idk go watch a baseball game or go fishing. Have some family dinners and talk about the times when things were easy and fun and silly, before everything went to shit. Jason deserves his dad and Bruce deserves his son.
Therapy (The whole family would benefit).
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i like your choices!! i love all the characters its so hard for me to decide too (i've literally wrote a fic for so many re characters at this point)!!
i love older leon too he needs more love <3 re6 leon is my top 3 istg nobody gets ittt other than you!!
re6 Leon is just…. UGH.
he reminds of soft saxophone jazz. like … he makes me wanna stay up dancing to soft jazz while sipping on some obscure alcohol in the middle of his apartment with him until ungodly hours of the night. the way he treats Helena and Ada in re6 makes me wanna eat my fist. like … he’s so inherently gentle even under all that rough and toughness he’s had to take on and just GOD he is just so lover boy coded it legitimately makes me throw up sometimes.
like are we kidding. are we kidding. he just UGH I NEED HIM SO BAD.
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“you’re a tiny man, louis, flying too close to the sun, and that’s what i am... the sun.”
mmmm the sun and its relationship to vampires as a purifying destructive force... the sun in this quote as the ‘light of civilization’ in america.... how the councilman makes reference to icarus to tell louis that it was arrogant and naive of him to assume that a black man can come close to standing equal to white men like him
louis embracing his ‘dark’ nature as a vampire to enact his own sense of justice and revenge on the councilman....the way he found pleasure in it....the unforeseen consequences and retaliation from white citizens....
i have no thesis statement, i am simply raising my hand in lecture to offer my incoherent thoughts on a piece of media and forcing you all to hear me
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YOU HAVE NOW HEARD SISYPHUS
PLEASE
FIRST REACTIONS????
Not as old as I was expecting and/or hoping for.
Honestly? Didn't like it initially. My theory for why is a combination of "Hey that's not what I was imagining in my head" (because I wasn't imagining anything) + "I HAVE HEARD THIS VOICE BEFORE IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE" (because I had played like an hour of DE a while back)
........But the voice is ultimately pleasant. I like it.
I especially like how Sisyphus sounds so violent until you get to his second phase and he lets out exactly One (1) happy line that reveals he's reveling in the fight. That's very fun.
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i see a lot of complaints about the ending and i simply feel like yall are missing the point tbh. like i don't think that Nothing in the plot happened. i don't think that None of the antagonists were ever a problem or that there were No gang fights. i think there was plenty of stuff that they couldn't prevent outright and had to handle as it came, and probably new problems that arose a la butterfly effect. but the point is, all of our previous villains are friends now because the base root of all of these characters is that they are children, who are at various levels of trauma and loneliness, and offering them forgiveness and friendship can go a long long way. either to prevent their descent into evil outright (like with kisaki, or sanzu) or to guide them on a path of redemption (what i can imagine happened with izana, taiju, etc). yes its unbelievably frustrating that we don't get to see what takemichi and mikey changed with their bare hands and what conflicts still remained, but like, use critical thinking a bit more and don't say dumb shit about how preventing everything is impossible. yea it is. probably why they didnt prevent everything and still had to do massive amounts of damage control in the end. its more interesting that way anyway, right?
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