#your not anti oppression if your not vegan

[snekdood]

I think some of yall are just gonna have to accept that vegans have a different philosophy than you.

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

I think Hobie brown is the one character I've seen written completely out of character the most

Like, he would NOT say that

He definitely is. I see people write Miles and Gwen as spot on (pun unintended). Miguel and Pavitr are usually butchered for linguistics reasons

But with Hobie, him being a punk - one from a very specific time - adds a whole new layer of difficultly and honestly. At this point, I can't even blame people.

I think Hobie's mischaracterization is caused by two primary things, one purposeful, and one not. Please allow me to rant.

Hobie Brown, Mischaracterization, and the Sanitization of Punk Culture

I think Hobie's characterization is the perfect example of the way media purposely deminished and trivialized the punk identity in order to erase it's political connotations.

In other words, people misunderstanding Hobie shows how the media warped and censored the definition of 'punk' in the last 50 years.

And that's on purpose.

Let's take the hippies for an example. When you think of them, what beliefs comes to mind?

Peacefulness, usually. Pot smoking. Music loving. And Anti-war. They love peace. The phrase 'Make Love, Not War' make come to mind.

But it's easier for the media to historically display hippies as people who were opposed to war - rather than people who were openly oppossed to the Vietnamese War.

As in, they weren't just opposed to war - which they were. They were also specifically opposed to the United States government crossing borders in order to push a capitalist agenda in Vietnam.

It's easy to say hippes loved communes - then to say 'Hippies were Communist'. With a couple words switched around - sanitization.

Punk is just like that.

It's easier to focus on the response rather than the source. It's easier to look at Hobie singing than to consider what he'd be singing about in those songs.

I feel like in the past 50 years the media has purposely centered the outrage of punk around music - as a targeted distraction, and a method of silencing. This goes from the outward hatred of Sex Pistols - to a President's wife literally taking a metal band to court in order to get the 'Explicit Content label' instated for the first time.(crazyyyy long story- crazy interesting. Google 'Mary Gore vs Twister Sister' - the videos of the band in court is hilarious)

But anyway the outrage of punk music in specific and the silencing of the message behind it kinda changed the way people viewed punks.

Media very much wanted to make punk something about senseless rebellion towards everything, the same way they tried to turn anarchy into 'unending chaos that never stops', when neither of those things are true.

Basically saying 'Oh, those people over there? They aren't angry oppressed people screaming and forming a community based around resilience, those are teeennagerrs. theyre just screaming cause theyre mad at their dads or something PLEASE dont look at them PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT CHECK IF WE'RE TELLING THE TRUTH'

And so people are presented with someone like Hobie, they see the loud music, but not picking up what he's saying if you get my drift.

And the other thing I'll try to keep short.

It's not purposeful, but I think it matters.

The Internet - Subculture vs Aesthetic

I don't think this is something that's been talked about yet.

But I feel like a lot of people misunderstand what a subculture is. So when they see Hobie, they see fashion, and music taste, and attitude. They instead perceive him as an aesthetic. Not someone who participates in subculture.

Subculture is a way of life. It encompasses not only your fashion and music tastes, but it can and usually extends to things like your morals, your behaviors, the spaces you exist in, etc.

Goth, Punk, Vegans, hell - even Nudists - are all subcultures. Because they effects the persons lifestyle. Subcultures are lifestyles.

Aesthetics are not.

An aesthetic is a (usually) visual ambience that is meant to evoke a specific emotion.

Aesthetics can extend to fashion, decor, and music taste - but not your morality or behavior.

E-girls, Emos, Hipsters, what have you - all aesthetics as they do not encompass morals, or behaviors.

And because of that - there are things that do or don't make you a punk. But there aren't really things that do or don't 'make you emo'.

Aesthetics don't have conditions, but subcultures do.

You have to be anti-government to be punk. You don't have to hate your life to be emo.

(Which is why when people bring this up, people are quick to call 'gatekeeping!' Because in the context of aethetics gatekeeping is seen as unneccesary, whereas in subcultures 'gatekeping' is more so protecting the underlying beliefs and motivations of the movement. People who see Hobie as an aesthetic will find these conditions odd because they're not seeing his punkness as a subculture.)

Today on the internet, it's a lot more common and easy to engage in an aesthetic. It's not uncommon for someone to purposefully pick an aesthetic - and go all out - simply because they like it. It's great. I engage with an aesthetic all the time.

But because of that, when people see Hobie it's easy to immediately be like 'oh okay hes doing it out of fashion hes doing it because he vibes with it cool.'

They look at Hobie the way they would look at an eboy (do those still exist).

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Sooo mixing the censored image of a punk along with the modern-day instinct to perceive something as an aesthetic rather than a way of life kinda causes.....this.

A Hobie tag were a lot of people completely misunderstand who he is as a person and his motivations as a superhero outside of 'I hate the establishment'.

Plus add in a dash of people just being totally blank on 70's politics. The Vietnam War, Margaret Thatcher coming to power, the IRA, etc. - all of those things I think tells us a lot about Hobie. I'm currently on a piece about that and an explainer of most of those events. Or if you want a brief rundown please feel free to ask, I'll do my best.

If you wanna know Hobie more - don't listen to punk music. Go read the lyrics, if you get what I mean. They truly do have something to say.

Hope this made some sense, thanks for reading if you made it this far :) also no proofread we die like kings but ill most likely do it later and delete this note.

[acti-veg]

Do I have to be an activist to be a good vegan?

A good vegan is just someone who is avoiding animal exploitation as far as is possible and practicable. Keep in mind that veganism is a moral imperative; it’s the bare minimum we can do for animals. To avoid actively contributing and funding their exploitation and mass slaughter is the absolute least we can do.

As with any systematic exploitation and destruction of any group, just not taking part in it is not enough. When someone opposes a system or a regime we usually expect more from them than just not directly supporting that system, we expect them to firstly oppose it in word and in deed. There is nothing unique about animal exploitation in that respect.

The way in which animals are unique as victims of oppression though, is the fact that they can’t give us their testimonies, can’t speak out in defence of their own rights. So if animals to are to be liberated they need us to be their advocates. We cannot just uplift their voices, we have to lift up our own. Animals rely on us as vegans to speak out in their defence.

All that said, you can only do what you’re able to. I’m not expecting everyone to be running blogs, writing books, be out on the street or engaged in direct liberation. What I think is more than reasonable to expect though, is for people to be advocates for animals in their own little spheres. That means opposing animal exploitation as it crosses your path, it means advocating veganism, sharing resources, spreading awareness, being a positive role model.

More fundamentally, it means offering up what is quite possibly the only anti-speciesist perspective that many of your friends and family will have ever heard. In many instances, you will be the only person who is in a position to actually challenge the speciesism of the communities you part of, whether that is at work, school or home. This doesn’t mean calling people out every time they buy a burger, that isn’t usually constructive, but you should be willing to speak up and challenge prejudice where you feel you doing so may be effective.

Not everyone can be an animal rights activist, but we can all engage in advocacy in our daily lives, however we are best placed to do that. I know it’s an awkward thing and I know it’s anxiety inducing, but the stakes are far too high, and there are for too few of us for any of us to remain silent. If we don’t speak out for animals, who will?

[jakethesequel]

I need to prune the followers a bit. What are my most important controversial takes.

I am an anarchist. Yes this includes your favorite heirarchy. The United States is an evil of unprecendented power. Abolish class. Civilization was a bad move, the mesopotamians really fucked us on that one.

I follow the transfem style of agender kung fu. I think gender and sexuality is socially constructed bullshit without inherent meaning. I have opinions on transmisogyny and think it's an important axis of societal oppression unique to transfemininity. Also DIY HRT is fucking based.

I have type 1 diabetes. I wear a P100 grade 3m particulate respirator whenever I'm in enclosed public spaces because covid is still among the most deadly transmissible diseases in world history killing millions, vaccines and previous immunity have only temporary benefits when a virus is allowed to mutate unchecked, and masks fucking work. If you don't wear one I don't trust you and think you're being an asshole. Wear a fucking mask.

I'm not vegan and won't be. Even outside of the dietary challenges diabetes poses, I've only gotten less inclined to it as I've aged and gotten more conscious of where my meat comes from. My family are fishers, my extended family are cattle farmers, you don't need to tell me about what meat cultivation actually looks like, I'm familiar. I've also been trying to get my hunting license. Nonetheless, you have a right to choose what you put in your body, and access to vegan alternatives should be available to all who need with with the same convenience and price as animal products.

On that note: guns are based, and anti-gun legislation is cringe. I'm not American. Any law is evil when it's enforced by the pigs, but even if it weren't, the only reasonable restriction to gun ownership should be showing an ability to use it safely, as you do a car. Which is similar to the setup we had in Canada, sans a couple of nonsensical gun bans and magazine limits.

Speaking of legalization, drugs are morally neutral. You should be allowed to put whatever you want in your body. In fact you should be given unrestricted access to knowledge to make a completely informed decision, equipment to do so safely, and strong support systems if you need to kick the habit.

And finally: Bad movies are the greatest things ever made. An inspired failure is always more interesting than an uninspired success. Make art freely, take critique easily. Believe it to be the greatest thing in the world while you create it and when someone says it's trash say yeah I see why you'd think that it's not perfect. The time for ego is in the creation and the time for critique is in the consumption do NOT reverse the two.

[horizonsstandstill]

I'm also against using "rest in power" or other Black terminology for white people.

For several reasons, such as;

- It's easy to provoke disenfranchised Black people into starting divisive arguments because they want their oppression to be heard, and psyops take advantage of that,

- Terms Black people coined are always taken out of context and this harms their ability to fight against oppression when they are using them,

- The use of more revolutionary and provocative terms will give the agents of imperialism a hard time to shame the people into silence or denounce them as racists,

- Our terminology should include horizons, visions and goals that will encourage our people and make the enemies shake.

Therefore I suggest using terms such as;

- May your sacrifice be a milestone in a society we will build on the ashes of imperialism,

- Rest knowing that the empire will crumble with your spark,

- We will remember your heroic act as a catalyst for the destruction of our oppressors,

- You will never be forgotten unlike the colonial order we will dismantle.

See if the psyops could argue with these. And whenever people use divisive arguments, don't argue. Ask them questions on the issues such as what they think of cops, military industrial complex, prison and slavery system, indigenous rights and who are their favourite Black thinkers. If they can't provide satisfactory answers, don't engage them. They deserve cancelling over speaking about things they don't understand.

Black people in the imperial core can be the victims of the imperialism as well as the perpetrators of it. It depends on how disenfranchised they are and how much they are willing to suck up to the white supremacist order in order to be able to oppress other people. Everyone can serve as an agent of imperialism regardless of race, class, gender, disability or any other axis of oppression. That is not even limited to imperial core. That's why it's up to the oppressed to think about who are benefiting their actions.

It's important that the electronics we use to do our "activism" come at the price of the suffering of Congolese people. Possibly Bolivian people too. Also the sufferings of the workers that are exploited in the Far Eastern countries. We all could suffer from imperialism while using the materials extracted through the imperial order of suffering. That doesn't make any of us less oppressed. It gives us a duty to try to end all kinds of oppression and dismantle the imperialist system altogether.

As a side note, discriminating against people while advocating against other types of discrimination makes a person a disgusting hypocrite.

If your communism ends when you think you can't consume products from underdeveloped countries cheaply, you're a scum.

If your anarchism ends when you think it's not okay for people to gather and build structures out of their own volition for only themselves after the revolution, you're a scum.

If your feminism finds it convenient to stereotype men of other races and caricaturise them as monsters, you are the monster.

If your veganism doesn't recognise the situations of indigenous people and disabled people, sufferings of agriculture workers and environmental degradation that vegan products cause, it means you're not against cruelty to all living beings. You're just a self righteous idiot.

If your anti violence is only for those who resist against the legal order that oppresses themselves, you are amongst the perpetrators of said oppression, deserving of violent resistance against yourself.

If your queer rights activism ends at the people who are acceptable queers in your worldview, you're a bootlicker of the patriarchy. Those boots are coming for you next.

If your disability advocacy is not inclusive of recreational use of substances -legal or illegal-, you're just another selfish person being loud.

These are just examples. They can be multiplied into several cases.

Being against one type of bigotry doesn't excuse other types of bigotry. People can make these mistakes for a lot of reasons, but once it's explained to them if they continue their bigotry, they should be cancelled altogether. We should not engage them at all, and a blocklist is in order. No need to waste our time in good faith because of bad faith actors.

Say, "Okay, bigot/bootlicker/racist so on..." to call them out. Then blocked. If they learn, they have to learn it the hard way.

[varii-corvid]

embracing my girlunion girlrot brainrot speedcore cringecore pluralpilled lainpilled tokyopilled transbian adhd autistic girlkisser ancom transhuman vegan genderfuck mindfuck furrypunk unitypunk hopepunk voidpunk femtanyl-lover radfreak radqueer warqueer anti-anti homestuckcore typying-quirk-using xenogenderhoarding polyamorous relationship-anarchist robot fucker corru observer arc. weaponizing cringe is fun and necessary in the fight against ableism and oppression. bonk antis with your cringe.

[xxlovelynovaxx]

Ah. "Animals rights" bullshit okay. Being animals that are not obligate herbivores and eating the flesh of other animals because of it is "oppressing" non-human animals. And they called out my comparing it to anti-choicers because "murder is different than death" okay well anti-choicers think abortion is murder. I don't happen to consider a human killing an animal for food murder any more than I consider an animal killing another animal for food murder, especially when as you pointed out yourself some people can't survive without meat.

Or is it a contract killing/hit on every animal You've ever eaten to survive? Are you just not a murderer because you paid not to get your hands dirty?

Like yeah it's fucking NATURAL. Humans aren't some wondrous ascended beings that don't crawl through the dirt. We fuck and fight and survive and yes, part of that survival for many is KILLING.

And it's good that you don't think people should be forced onto veganism because that would be as bad as the people who want to force all animals to eat synthetic meat and hunt via robots or whatever but my gods can you imagine telling someone who has been a vegetarian by choice for years for animal WELFARE purposes (not rights) who is vegan for disability reasons that they are "justifying the oppression of animals" and "killing animals for food is murder" when you literally can't go vegan for health reasons yourself? Okay murderer. Guess your life matters more than those oppressed animals.

Like sorry I'm going full "you're an asshole and I despise you and I'm genuinely sorry for myself that I thought we could be friends".

Like yeah the anti-choicer metaphor wasn't perfect. But it also got you to cut right to the heart of the matter. You are so divorced from humans as part of the ecosystem and food chain you genuinely believe we have some moral duty to not kill animals (but only animals, not plants or fungi, which are also living and have some measure of sentience) and to hold ourselves separate from the biosphere to the greatest extent possible.

That's just ecofascism 101. Are we gonna do the "any form of hunting or land management, even responsibly by indigenous stewards using traditional practices is bad" next? Or are we gonna avoid that one because you hopefully know better than THAT and simply think that removing humans from ONLY one part of the consumptive chain is ✨different✨?

For reference:

Also where does "choosing to die" come in to this? I wasn't talking about euthanasia, I was talking about withdrawing the life support provided by a human body if the owner of that body stops consenting to providing it, therefore depriving a fetus dependent on that life support for survival of said survival. I'm pretty sure the fetus doesn't have a choice in the matter. (Whether or not it's "alive" doesn't have much to do with anything since it's been made pretty clear that medical autonomy in terms of mandated use of your body's parts or resources is unethical at ANY point. Even if you ARE killing it, we've determined that's the most ethical option.)

Also if we're going to make bullshit oppression claims why don't we talk about transspecies people who are obligate carnivores?

[little-robin-h00d]

Hey the anti-vegan post u rbed really sucks. It puts all vegans (95% of whom just think factory farming is horrible and don’t want to hurt animals in their diet) in a box that is labeled “anti-indigenous, stupid, radical, and crazy”.

Most vegans don’t even try to convince people because they know how their seen. Advocacy against factory farming is not the same as demeaning native practices.

There’s a person replying on the side of vegans in the comments and I think you should read some of what they’re saying because they explain why the post is wrong and harmful. I’m not coming at you with anger btw I like you and your account. But that post is just super harmful and I’m hoping that you would be interested in reading thoughts from the other side and maybe changing your opinion.

Hey there! I appreciate you coming here with a non-aggressive stance, but I think there's been a bit of a miscommunication. Similar to how when people talk about White People(TM), or Christians(TM), they are not saying every single person in the group is bad- they are talking about a specific subsect of the group that uses the ideology and privilege to harm. There are white people who do their best to dismantle the white supremacy they've been taught and advocate for POC, and there are Christians who do follow the teachings of loving thy neighbor and don't use their religion as a kudgel to beat others with- same with veganism.

Someone choosing to be vegan or vegetarian is completely fine- and I will gladly do my best to accommodate all diets, allergies, and food sensitivities when eating with other people. My best friend is vegetarian, and I always have stuff they can eat stocked away in the fridge for whenever they visit.

However, when it's portrayed as the "only ethical way", and that all humans should consume zero animal products- and then these people saying that get POWER, and spread misinformation- is where the issue lies. It's the PETA bitches we're talking about, not some random person who may have a million reasons for personally going vegan. It's their life, it's not harming anyone, cool beans.

Unfortunately, we have yet to come up with the proper language in English to effectively reference these dangerous subgroups, and it would take a while to spread and become common knowledge even if we do find a proper term for it- but having to explain that in every single post we make about oppressive or dangerous groups like that is a waste of time and effort that could be put to better use, and essentially arguing about semantics.

Also, these are personal Tumblr blogs, the vast majority of the time only having one person running them- you cannot expect the same vetting of language and such things in a post on someone's blog as would be on a scientific or news article.

As someone who loves meat and cheese and other animal products: I hate factory farms too! But we aren't gonna solve the massive problems with animal abuse by stopping eating any animal-related products. We cannot personal choice our way out of systemic issues- that's an astroturf campaign so many people have fallen for in so many different areas. From climate change and voting rights, to animal welfare and plastic use. These things are simply out of the hands of ordinary people like you and me, and it's why collective action is so important.

I also believe it's a bit of a waste of time to get upset at people who are rightfully critiquing these groups, rather than get upset at the groups themselves for tarnishing the names of innocent people like you.

TL;DR: If the post doesn't describe you, it's not about you.

I do hope you have a good day, and I apologize if this post is a bit of a mess. I've been severely sick for over a month now and am only just starting to recover, I only got 5 hours of sleep, and haven't even taken my meds today because I've been too nauseous.

[nando161mando]

Side tangent: Veganism alone doesn't make you a minority, even if Liberal vegans wanna say things to me like "me being vegan is just like you being trans" or some bullshit...

Wrong, you're choosing a vote-with-your-dollar morality on one of countless issues caused by capitalism itself, while I'm an oppressed minority with mainstream propaganda against me that makes a non-insignificant portion of the population want to kill me just for existing.

See: The rising violence against trans people alongside the rise in propaganda claiming we are here to hurt children to justify the violence against us, just as plenty of propaganda has been spread about gay people or even black people being predators to "protect your children from by any means necessary" (translation: "Go preemptively kill those minorities or they'll be a danger to your kids! Also, you'll totally be a lone wolf who had no clear influence when you do that so your violence doesn't actually get directly tied to our murderous fascist movement.").

Even Hillary Clinton jumped on the "super predator" scare decades ago, liberals are not the friends of minorities. It's not enough to be "not-racist" or "not-queerphobic" in the current political climate. You MUST be LOUDLY anti-racist and anti-queerphobic in order to prove wrong the "silent majority" idea pushed by fascists to justify killing us. Make fascists know they're the minority that they are. Make that clear to everyone else. Speak up.

[illnessfaker]

@ptolemaiios okay, you misinterpreted my post if you think i'm disagreeing with the screenshot because - as i said - something that turns me off is the way some (usually white) vegans talk about veganism is reminiscient of the way anti-choicers talk about being against abortion. but moreover, the white vegans in question here weren't nobly discussing the harms of animal agriculture, they were attacking a black disabled woman activist (imani barbarin specifically) after she asked about non-dairy cheese options because she's lactose intolerant (while other people, including plenty of vegans, were recommending her non-dairy cheese options.)

veganism or animal agriculture in this sense was not being talked about otherwise until this person said this. like this is what started the whole thing.

multiple other ostensibly white vegans proceeded to come out of the woodwork to attack her as well, including one that called her (a black disabled woman) "MAGA" because she made a snarky cheeseburger comment in response to the first person attacking her lmao. which like, it's be uncalled for if the person hadn't attacked her, but kicking up that much of a stink about it when it was in response to some rando coming out of the woodwork to act this way and comparing a random black woman on the internet being snarky to someone for attacking her diet to a racist movement..? nah.

(meanwhile the concept of "white veganism" is something that is in fact very much discussed by black vegans and other vegan poc.)

In an infamous post, I made back in January, I described White Veganism as a form of veganism that focuses solely on animal liberation while actively ignoring the effects of colonization and how it is interconnected to the oppression of humans and animals. Furthermore, White Veganism portrays human supremacy as the main issue rather than addressing the role of white supremacy in how it operates in creating hierarchical roles. Racism and Speciesism are not the same, but share a similar struggle under the umbrella of white supremacy.

Because of White Veganism, we’ve been able to see how animal rights activists reject intersectionality in their work such as using comparisons of slavery from humans to animals, horrific events in history, and failing to commend white supremacy in animal rights spaces that have further caused harm within the movement. In order to understand industrial agriculture, we have to dissect both racism and speciesism together.

White veganism is that veganism that fails to recognize and hold space for the breadth of human experiences that exist outside of a white perspective. It’s that vegan who says shit like “what’s your excuse not to be vegan?”. It’s that vegan who genuinely believes that there’s no legitimate reason not to be vegan as though food deserts, eating disorders, and people who are dependent on others to survive do not exist. White veganism turns most people away from veganism because it is exclusionary. White veganism is something that most people of color do not perpetuate because we know better.

(...)

White veganism is not intersectional and it’s problematic af. It’s this thing that people engage in so that they can feel morally superior to others. It enables folks (usually white vegans) to belittle others under the guise of “fighting the good fight” aka striving for animal liberation. The thing is, you do a poor job of advocating for one marginalized group (non-human animals) if you cannot extend that compassion to other marginalized groups (humans). You cannot end the exploitation of animals if you’re spending your time discussing what is and isn’t vegan based off of your narrow-minded understanding of veganism. I get it though, people who uphold white veganism have no interest in dismantling other systems of oppression (white supremacy, systemic racism, etc.). Therefore, shaming vegans for eating at non-vegan restaurants, purchasing second-hand leather, and warping veganism into this exclusionary holier than thou cult is to be expected from many white vegans; they have a lot of free time and misplaced zeal about ending (non-human) animal exploitation.

and this is exactly the type of people that are continuing to attack imani.

she wrote this list of hers in the context of white veganism because white people's savior complex is also something that is definitely a thing that's been talked about by black vegans and other vegan poc.

The idea advanced was that less white people would be vegan if animals could speak and center themselves within the animal rights movement. This is not a novel idea, it has been discussed within and outside of vegan spaces, but it hasn’t been picked up in mainstream veganism because it calls out white folks in particular.

Just look at how Black people continue to be oppressed. We can use language, center ourselves, and tell people how they should show up and we are ALWAYS dismissed. It isn’t wild to assume that if animals could do the same, they would also be dismissed. The idea that animals are innocent and worthy of being saved because they are “voiceless” is something that lends itself well for folks to barge in and acts as saviors. And, if you look at it from a historical perspective, which group of individuals has been responsible for operating under this saviorship model? Ding ding ding, it is white people! Before you “not all white people” this, remember that there are only 22 countries or so in the world that Britain has not invaded and somehow attempted to impose their dominance/superiority over. The mission of “saving” POC from their hedonism (not being Christian) and “barbaric languages” (not speaking the queen’s English) were just some of the many excuses that white folks used to assert the dominance of others. In a similar light, non-human animals are the perfect victims for white people to swoop in and “save the day” because of their inability to use language and our ability to assert force over them and speak in their place.

imani isn't engaging with all of this in totally good faith but she was making a similiar point in her comparison between white veganism to anti-abortion ideology, because fetuses are arguably also "perfect victims" in the same way.

so yeah, she wasn't comparing being against animal agriculture to being against abortion. she was comparing white vegans who do things like this/white veganism to anti-abortion activists...and i agree with her!

[mightyflamethrower]

Go back ten years or so, and it was a different world regarding sexual minorities.

Few people cared about drag queens performing for adults. Gay marriage controversies were dying down, and anti-gay discrimination was almost entirely in the past. Most people thought that transgenderism was weird, fringe, and basically harmless. There were so few transgender people that the issue rarely came up, and few people cared much.

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Even the gay marriage debate was more about the term than the legal rights–opponents wanted to carve out a space for traditional marriage, but most were no longer objecting to a legal equivalent in civil unions.

Fast forward a few years and alphabet ideology is everywhere, and the alphabet ideologists are basically tied with the pro-Hamas crowd and the Climate Change cultists for being the worst people to share spaces with. They are even more obnoxious than vegans.

It is all about power and privilege. There is an inverse relationship between the oppression claimed by activists and the actual power and privilege they wield.

We see this everywhere we look. Few of us would care much about the few actual transgender people among us, but the recruitment of children, the obnoxious, in-your-face demands for obeisance, the mutilation and sterilization of children…it is and is intended to be an assault on the dominant culture.

Alphabet ideologists demand to rule the rest of us. What we say, what we think, who can play what sports, what spaces woman may or may not use in privacy. Unless we kiss their feet, date them on demand, pretend that men can be pregnant, or use their newly invented pronouns we are to be canceled.

A great case is this privileged activist Tommy Dorfman, a celebrated trans activist who uses his male name (no deadnaming, at least), is clearly male, but bullies a working guy for “misgendering” him.

Dorfman complains that he is suffering human rights abuse when the poor gate agent is just trying to do his job. Dorfman is a celebrated actor who sponsors products for major brands, and yet he feels the need to get a guy fired for saying “sir.”

Why? Because he can, and having the power to destroy others has always been attractive to a certain kind of tyrannical personality. The destruction itself is the goal.

This is why the rules are always changing. You literally cannot keep up with the changes in the pronouns, the rules, the things that get you canceled. As I have written before, there are many lists of dos and don’ts, pronouns, and microaggressions to avoid, and in the end, they all note that you have to keep checking back because the lists change and expand.

The message is clear: we are in charge, and you must obey. And, of course, we are coming for your children and there is nothing you can do about it. You must pay for our surgeries, kiss our feet, call us what we want, and if you don’t, you will lose your job and social standing.

And we will plaster your shame all over the internet. Because, as you see, not only did this activist shame this gate agent in public but blasted his face across the world. It is about destruction.

All the Left-wing activists have similar strategies. They destroy our art, deface our monuments, block our movement, poop on the street, and demand we embrace their assault on everything we value.

If the activists tried to explain, persuade, debate, or even lobby the level of conflict would drop to almost nothing. I would still oppose them, but I wouldn’t spend so much time fighting them.

But they are horrible people. Terrible, horrible, no good very bad people. And they must be defeated.

[the-technicolor-whiscash]

u reblogged something that would suggest ur anti-vegan. If that’s the case (I could be wrong), its always beyond me to see someone from an oppressed group, who claims to understand oppression, advocate for the oppression of another group

Ahskshsk wow. Yeah I’m not gonna lie I’m anti-vegan if they’re like you busting into peoples inboxes trying to tell them how to think. It’s a diet. That’s what it is. It’s not some kind of moral imperative.

First of all, not everyone can be vegan. There are some people who, healthwise, have to eat meat because they can’t get the same necessary nutrients from plant products. And there’s plenty of people who cannot take on the financial burden that veganism requires.

Second of all, it’s no more ethical than someone eating meat. In fact, I’d argue that eating locally-produced meats or meat harvested by oneself is more ethical than veganism, because you know where and who it came from and no humans had to experience child labor for your quinoa or agave. And there are ethical butchers who slaughter animals in ways that the animal will not even know death is coming - this is particularly true of Kosher or Halal butchers. Though I have no doubt if you’re sending me this message, you’re probably bought into the antisemitic and islamaphobic rumors that PETA spreads.

Obviously there’s value in knowing where your food comes from. Getting your meat from a local butcher instead of from a factory farm is better both for the animals and for the environment, because it doesn’t have to travel as long of a distance. Buying local in-season produce is also better for the environment, and you get to support local farming which is always important.

You picked probably the worst person to try and argue with about this because I am never going to be on your side. Hell, I support indigenous whaling (even as a huge fan of whales) because I know that getting fresh meat on reservations, particularly in the arctic circle, is prohibitively expensive. I’m also cool with pretty much any other subsistence hunting esp cause with a lack of natural predators, deer populations left unchecked can do damage to the ecosystem.

I am always going to put people first. You say I claim to understand oppression. I assume that’s a jab at the fact I’m trans and bi which, really cool to do that by the way, definitely nothing could be seen as having negative connotations there. I don’t claim to understand oppression beyond that which I’ve experienced myself, but what I do have is a respect for the people who are oppressed. Though I as a white person will never truly understand the oppression indigenous groups face having never had to go through it myself, I can give them respect and support. I respect and support indigenous people who participate in subsistence whaling, because I’m aware of the fact it’s a cultural practice that has been oppressed by white colonizers. Human rights should always always always be put before animal rights. I’ve literally written papers about the negative effects of white vegans on indigenous peoples because I have a minor in anthropology and have made it a point to learn about and respect indigenous groups because of the impact white colonizers (and yes, even other anthropologists - I know it’s a field with a bad history) have had on them. I should note, I don’t claim to speak for these indigenous groups, because I as a white person obviously cannot. If any of you are indigenous and I’ve said something incorrect or offensive, please let me know and I will correct it.

Anyway sorry this got long but yeah. Yeah, I’m always gonna be on the side of people on this one. Eat meat or don’t, I don’t care, but don’t treat it like it’s a moral failing of people to choose to consume animal products. I have a lot more opinions on the matter I could say but I’m gonna stop now because if you’re sending this into my inbox, I doubt you’ve read this long.

[nebulaofchaosandwoe]

What does being vegan mean to you? You’re valid either way, sometimes vegan discourse can get complicated but curious about your perspective of it.

Thank you for asking!! I admit that I've been expecting nervously for this ask for a long time lol

If you google the definition of vegan you'll find the answers that most vegans are comfortable in using, but I don't really agree to those.

For me (and some other people) veganism isn't a diet, or a philosophy or a lifestyle. It is a political movement which aims to fight animal exploitation in all forms AND this is fight against the oppression of both human and non-human animals.

It doesn't mean transforming the slaughter more "humanitarian". It doesn't mean buying "vegan food" from brands and companies that clearly profit by animal exploitation. It doesn't mean defending dogs, pigs and cows but excusing all the oppression against humans - be it racism, ableism, misoginy, lgbtphobia and even slavery. The amount of vegans that excuse those is disgustingly HUGE!

Besides going against all of the things mentioned above, the vegan movement is also pretty much anti-capitalist. We fight for a world in which non-human animals are free to live their own lives in nature without suffering. We fight for a world in which humans get to live their own lives without suffering too - meaning that everyone gets access to their basic rights as humans. It is a world where everyone has access to nutritive food, education, culture, healthcare; it is a place where we can express ourselves without fearing for our lives. And we can't do any of that without fighting this system that is literally based upon oppression against all forms of life!!

Also, I'm not vegan because I feel pity for cows. Of course I do, but I didn't join the movement just because of an emotion. It's more like a sense of empathy and fairness you know? No one deserves a life like that, specially once we know that this suffering is completely unnecessary.

There's actually a name for this part of the movement, I'm not sure of the translation for English but it would be something like "political/popular veganism" while the one that doesn't see the social aspect as important is called "liberal veganism".

This is too long already I'm so sorry, but if you want to learn more about it, I recommend a lot Carol J. Adams' work and Sabrina Fernandes' channel on youtube, 'Tese Onze'. She has a playlist about this subject, some have subtitles in English, and it is just 🤌✨. She's incredible, pls go watch it!!

This one is my favorites and it sums up what I've just said: https://youtu.be/3sYc358yPas

Ty sm for asking and feel free to ask me anything else! I'm more than happy to help :3

[acti-veg]

Veganism always has been, and always will be, an anti-oppression movement for all animals, not just non-human ones. Thank you for standing your ground and continuing to fight for the rights of marginalised peoples. It’s a really scary time in the world for many people, myself included, so seeing your support makes me feel like there is at least some hope still 💚

Thank you anon, it was lovely of you to take the time to write this - means a lot.

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9th reference post! Someone stop me.

(sorry if I reblog, it's only to keep from losing this to the sands of time! Also anyone's free to reblog or save this as is the mode on Tumblr Dot Com. Links go to my blog because it's the best, easy way I have to make sure I don't lose posts to deletion.)

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"Collectivists will often butt in when others are talking about methods of harm reduction and insist we stop talking about “pointless distractions” and instead focus on achieving their much-hyped global worker-society they promise will come if we just hold hands and march in the streets until everyone sees how awesome we are. Then the masses will all join us to overthrow the capitalists and install communist utopia, just wait and see!

A lot of reds will even claim that all discussion about ethics and social justice is elitist and classist “liberal posturing” aimed at dividing the working class. The worst of them will insist that class is the only issue we should be concerned with. To hell with feminism, post-colonialism, the environment and all other “distractions” that don’t interest white male workers. Workerism and class reductionism are fond bedfellows.

Being a vegan or a dumpster diver or a forager or a squatter or a self-sufficient cave-dweller need not have anything to do with shaming other people. It’s simply the way someone chooses to live their life for a multitude of reasons; a lot of them informed by ethics, but also to pursue the happiness that every human desires.

An individual anarchist’s decision to live more ethically is not some kind of narcissistic circlejerk the way collectivists like to present it. All anarchists have different motivations and different ethics. We all live in this world, in this time, and we can’t just pretend there’s some grand global homogeneous revolution right around the corner that’s going to save humanity from the rapidly approaching industrial apocalypse if only we chant loud enough and post more luxury space communism memes to our Facebook profiles.

It’s especially perplexing watching reds scorn anti-civs since none of these purported “communist revolutionaries” have demonstrated any real inclination to address the industrialist disaster that has been wrought on our planet beyond farcical promises of “space-colonization”, “Star Trek replicators” and “asteroid mining”.

Even those rare reds who bother to give consideration to ecology in their theories continue to glorify civilization, industry and democracy as liberators. So called “social-ecologist” Bookchinites promise that the planet can be saved if we just “make more democracy!” Then we can all participate in (profit from) the industrial system with our voting power, and opt to use “ecological technologies” such as solar and wind energy to power the machines.

Never mind the Chinese sustenance farmers who have carcinogenic industrial waste dumped on their lands everyday from those solar panel factories; they’re just not thinking ecologically enough. And the Ghanaians who wince when mountains of worn-out solar panels are piled up in their backyards with the rest of the West’s obsolete tech are just impeding ecological progress with their divisive nitpicking! It’s almost like they don’t want Europeans to have two electric vehicles in every garage? So ridiculous!

When you give a majority group legitimized power over minorities, they always use it to oppress them. All power corrupts. Collectivism breeds hierarchy because the interests of the dominant group e.g. factory workers aren’t the same as the interests of minority groups e.g. indigenous herders or queer folk or sex workers.

If you think your average meat-and-potatoes white male worker is going to suddenly become enlightened and compassionate towards the plight of minorities when you give him the power of direct democracy, as social ecologists and other red anarchists envision, you haven’t been paying close attention to the world around you. Time and time again, voters have successfully used their vote to deny rights to migrants, sex workers, trans and gay people, and anyone they see as differing from their normative standards."