Hello, sorry to bother you. I saw your post about 80s Batman comics compared to today's and i wanted to ask you if you know if there's a good starting point to begin reading Batman and Detective Comics from that era. My mind inmediately goes to post crisis but I felt i needed to ask, thanks and sorry if im bothering.
you're not a bother, no worries!
i don't think there's one good answer to it. post-crisis is a good starting point if you want to get background on the contemporary lore as a whole, but my commentary regarding it was not limited to it. there's at least a couple of pre-crisis stories that are very much worth checking out, for example:
detective comics #457 which is the first appearance of leslie (i'm cheating here because it's a story from 1978 but leslie becomes relevant again only in the 80s),
detective comics 501 - 502 which is an intro of julia remarque,
batman special #1 (1984): a storyline about wrath which was specifically mentioned by me in the post you're talking about.
i am also tempted to be a bit cheeky and to say to just read through the silver age, because while not my favourite, there is plenty that conway has to offer. and i definitely do recommend moench's run who has written both dc and batman since 1983 to 1986, wherein the first incarnation of jason appears. and don't listen to anyone who says that he's just a copy of dick – it's a fantastic and ironic story wherein all similarities are purposeful. moench's writing might lack the political and social depth that for instance that of barr does, but i think this is the era that really gets into the meaning of legacy and family in batman, and if you want to get an idea of what bruce realistically could be like as a father also to post-crisis jason (given we don't actually get to see that much), this is perfect background to post-crisis. and speaking of pre-crisis, batman and the outsiders (1983) is also quite good!
when reading post-crisis, keep in mind the office politics of the time, but first of all do not forget to read the absolutely riveting barr's detective comics run starting with dc #569. detective comics #574 (this story actually starts with #573) is a reference to dc #457 and batman special #1, both mentioned above. it's also probably my favourite batman story ever. and while for whatever reason a lot of people don't like it, batman year 2 is phenomenal too. since we're already covering barr, batman: son of the demon is one of the best batman books as well.
don't forget about annuals during that read-through either (starting with #11 for post-crisis). there are also some other series (and mini-series) that you might want to read, like legends or the cult. (<- although neither of these two are my top picks. but they do exist) oh, and the batgirl special from 1988.
in case you don't know, dick does not belong to the batman office at the time, so he sparsely appears in these comics. but the titans titles of the era are pretty straightforward so i don't think you need guidance in this matter (also, jason for example actually does get borrowed by them too.)
catwoman (1989) is another must-read and a scene from it was mentioned in the post of mine as well.
i'm probably forgetting about something...? i'm not big on strict reading guides (i think the fun of it is to just dive into it by yourself), but these are a couple of my recs. i'd say you can just start with post-crisis batman (#401!)/dc (#569, already mentioned) and later 'read around' with these titles as further points of reference.
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congrats, everyone, dickwing is officially yuri 🎉
steph: aaand got it!
dick: really? ah thank you steph, that looks great!
steph: so how are you going to edit it to look like you're... y'know, interacting?
dick: babs lost a bet and officially owes me one.
steph: ahaha, nice. send me the photo once its done, yeah?
dick: oh, of course.
tim, walking in: hey have you guys seen my-
dick:
steph:
tim: what are you doing?
steph: we, uh-
tim: did you guys superglue butterfly wings to my headphones
dick: well i mean, i use air pods and steph uses earbuds so it wouldn't have worked with-
tim: wait. wait. is this that vocaloid song.
steph: wait you know- i shouldn't be surprised actually that makes sense
dick: we didn't use glue, anyway. see, the wings come off just like-
tim: dick.
dick: ...yeah?
tim: you're not doing it again are you
dick:
dick: whatever could you mean, dearest brother of mine?
tim:
dick: have i ever told you you're my favorite sibling?
tim: give me one good reason not to report you to bruce right now.
dick:
dick: cause i'm your brother and you love me?
tim:
tim: yeah i'm telling
dick: WAIT WAIT NO- I'M NOT EVEN GONNA POST IT ANYWHERE PLEASE-
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is it me or have you been doing nothing but complain all the time lately? like is there anything you like?
Well I like DC vs Vampires, the first issue of the current TEC arc seemed interesting and if the rest of the arc continued being like this then I will probably like it too, I recently started World Finest because its a sequel to Batman vs Robin and I really like it, Batman: The Knight has started getting enjoyable in the past couple issues and depending on the story of the month, B:UL can be really good imo.
I'm sure there are better comics out there, but I'm only interest in Batman-related stories at the moment, so can you really blame me for complaining? I personally don’t want to be negative all the time, but lets be real here, it's not like DC is giving me anything that I can be positive about when it comes to the treatment of all the members of the Batfamily, I tried to bear it but almost all of them have it bad at the moment.
Alfred is dead because of a dumb storyline that no one liked and DC is dragging the shit of his death, Bruce is back to being an emotionally constipated manbaby, Dick is being written by Tom Taylor in one of the most bland and cringey runs of all time, Barbara is still an empty-shell of her past self and is nothing but Dick’s girlfriend/the Batgirls' mom, speaking of the Batgirls, Cassandra and Stephanie are infantized as fuck in their run and are treated like a package-deal at all time with no sense of individuality, Jason had everything that made him interesting/formidable stripped away in favor of being an over-sized moody teenager whose role is basically “spare Batkid #3” whenever his daddy wants him too, Tim is deaged and back to being Robin again at the expense of Damian and I already complained as much as I could as to how in the past 2 years following his character assassination in TT:R, Damian has been turned into a generic bland teenage character (even though it makes no sense for him to already be a teen when everyone around him is being deaged) without any of his past personality or skills that made him himself in sight, just an angry dumb whitewashed teenager that literally only appears in one book only and separated from the rest of the Batfam except for his manbaby father (The only one who kinda has it semi-okay is Duke.........who only had lines in like 3 or 4 comics a year, I'm sure if he had his own book they will fuck his character too)
I'm not gonna say its the worst era of the Batfamily, because much worse things have happened to them in the past, but usually it was only some of them that had it bad while others had it good, but this is the first era where almost all of them had unenjoyable comics out at the same time.
So with that being said, can you really blame me for complaining all the time?
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*One of Riddler 's and Joker's first team ups (and likely one of the last)*
Joker's Henchman: Would you tell me another riddle? An easier one this time?
Riddler: *the biggest attention whore to ever whore for attention* But of course, I will even give you a classic one instead of one of my own creation. So tell me my dear *swinging his hands dramatically* riddle me this (another henchmen in the back mutters he did the thing in awe, for Eddie's absolute delight) what gets wetter as it dries?
Henchmen: Uh... no idea... Wait! I got it!
Riddler: *with a happy expectant smile if a bit patronizing* Hmn?
Henchmen: Is it a songbird?
Riddler: *impressed by the stupidity of the answer* Nope. I'm prettty sure a songbird just gets dry normally. Also why exclusivaly a song bird?
Henchmen: No idea.
Harley: What are you boys doing?
Henchmen: Riddles here asked me a riddle.
Harley: *very excited*Oh! I wanna play as well.*jumping* Can I? *puppy eyes don't wait for confirmation* Is the answer Eddie?
Riddler:*confused* You didn't even heard the riddle?
Harley: But am I wrong?
Riddler: Yes.
Harley: Bummer : ( *muttering* The moment he doesn't talk about himself.
Riddler: *annoyed* Any more guesses?
Joker: *coming from a dark corner like a sleep paralisys demon* I have one! What gets wetter as it dries you say? My hands wet with blood as the life dries out of someone else's eyes. Hahahahaha
Riddler: Jesus fucking Christ!? IT WAS A FUCKING TOWEL! It's an easy well known CHILDREM'S riddle! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? *looks at who he is talking to* Nevermind.
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