#Batman copaganda

[thecruellestmonth]

Do you guys really believe that killing is the singular bad thing that cops do?

Or even that killing is the most frequent bad thing that cops do?

Are you saying that if cops didn't kill, then they'd be the same as Batman? Because then you're suggesting that effectively Batman already is a cop, with the exception that he hasn't killed (just like the majority of U.S. cops, who have never once shot or killed anybody).

I'm a bit worried to see opinions suggesting that only killing is wrong—and that violence, stalking, and humiliation are okay. In real-life, police commit countless acts of those "little" abuses, terrorizing entire communities, before they murder anybody.

Invading people's privacy is wrong. Hurting people to the point of hospitalization is wrong. Forcibly drugging people is wrong. Putting people in cages is wrong. Torture and "enhanced interrogation" are wrong. Ambushing people in their homes and safe places is wrong. Keeping inexhaustible wealth is wrong.

Superhero comics are power fantasies. Not all fantasies need to reflect our ideology in reality. But once you apply your real-life values to fiction, once you decide that fiction showcases exemplary real-life ideology—then your praise for Batman's ideology does become a worrying reflection of your real-life understanding of social issues.

[oifaaa]

The white knight universe really is something bc it has so many things I love like Robin Duke, red hood Jason with his own Robin, terry mcginnis, a cool as fuck art style and Bruce being questioned about if what he is doing is right plus holding himself accountable and then it's got things I absolutely hate like joker having children, cop dick grayson, the whole cops with batmobiles thing and Bruce and Harley quinn being a thing

[caeliflammae]

rewatching Gotham for the first time in a few years i forgot how fucking corny this show is. please be normal for 5 fucking seconds any of you. need to get to ed and oz's arks NOW idgaf about jim gordon i need my gay freaks.

[benbamboozled]

I am begging people to learn what “Copaganda” is and why Jason’s stance in Under the Hood ISN’T THAT.

[ravenlocksentwisted]

"Jason Todd is copaganda!"

Excuse me, Jason Todd is organized crime-aganda.

[thenixkat]

Fixing The Batman's Copaganda Problem | READUS 101

[nitpickrider]

Oh my GOD, look at this fucking copaganda bullshit. With the @#$%^ Star of David and the line up looking like a Burger King Kid's Club. All token minorities, all the time.

[waterberry-strawmelon]

I am once again asking people to stop making Dick Grayson a police officer in fics because he “wants to help save people.” You are not immune to Chuck Dixon’s copaganda.

[probablyasocialecologist]

The Dark Knight (2008), Nolan’s Batman magnum opus, has a handful of prominent political aesthetic themes. For one, it endorsed the surveillance state as a necessary evil (though Alex Parker of Ordinary Times posits that the film is arguing against the effectiveness of those methods). In that film, Batman uses advanced cell-phone sonar technology to surveil the entire city,  a decision which Wayne Enterprises board member Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman) condemns before offering his resignation—one which he implicitly withdraws before using the device exactly as Batman intended, because he knows he can turn it off permanently and immediately. This comes after a conversation earlier in the film between Bruce Wayne and D.A. Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) where Dent argues that the people elected the Batman like a Roman dictator by letting the city fall into the hands of criminals.

On the other hand, The Dark Knight also reaffirms the corrupt nature of the Gotham City Police Department, and its second act focuses on Batman determining which police officers have been compromised by organized crime because of their economic vulnerability. But perhaps this serves as another sort of pro-police message, suggesting that police are underpaid and not just stealing money in overtime from California to Massachusetts. (It couldn’t possibly be that they do bad things because they are the material expression of the state’s monopoly on violence and there’s no recourse to do anything against them.) Even in superhero films where a vigilante has to step in and protect people because the police are too busy lining their pockets, it is assumed that police corruption is exceptional, not the inevitable rule everywhere. (Although it is definitely the rule in Gotham, where Gordon responds to accusations by Dent by pointing out that it was impossible for him to form a unit without using officers that Dent had investigated in Internal Affairs.)

While The Dark Knight showcased the Joker as a lone maniac disrupting the criminal political economy of Gotham City, its predecessor Batman Begins and sequel The Dark Knight Rises (2012) focused on the threat of small groups of radical extremists. The Dark Knight Rises also worked with anxiety toward the Occupy Movement and nascent twenty-first century American anti-capitalism, with Anne Hathaway’s Selina Kyle—a character who at one point warned Bruce Wayne that the system was coming apart and the rich would soon wonder how they thought they could get away with their decadent opulence for so long—deciding that the lawlessness that follows is not the revolution she had in mind, reinforcing in standard fashion the idea that the status quo should not be too upset. The villain Bane (Tom Hardy) likewise embodies this sentiment, operating as a charlatan to the people of Gotham and releasing a “freedom” that preys on people’s worst impulses, while acting as a true believer for the morally fundamentalist radical League of Shadows, a group that wants to cleanse Gotham in holy fire. The Dark Knight Rises casts police as the scrappy resistance to Bane’s new order, magnified in a climactic battle scene where Batman leads the police against Bane’s army, an image that vaguely parallels Batman’s crusade leading his conquered gang of self-mutilating “mutants” to secure Gotham’s streets in Frank Miller’s 1986 comic The Dark Knight Returns.

[thecruellestmonth]

Quiz Time, Batfam fandom!

What is a three-letter word for someone with the power to "bring in criminals legally"?

Who are the most prolific users of rubber bullets, also known as "less lethal ammunition"?

What kind of profession is tasked with capturing criminals, and isn't a judge, juror, or executioner?

Please learn what copaganda actually is. You guys are so embarrassing.

[ordinaryschmuck]

By the way, if you hate superheroes because you think they're copaganda...You have to hate Batman too.

"But Batman--"

Nope. Batman's copaganda. His best friend's a cop, one of his wards is a cop's daughter, and often beats up the mentally ill for the cops. Batman and cops go hand in hand and it doesn't matter what excuse you give. If you hate superheroes for being copaganda, you have to hate Batman too.

[sonofapunk]

The fact that the entire batfamily doesn't endlessly dunk on Dick for his cop and government spy phase is truly baffling to me

[tuxedosaurus]

People act like the Batman White Knight books are some great tribute to Batman when

1) it’s very obvious that the guy who made it only really knows BTAS

2) it’s some of the most blatant copaganda I’ve seen in a comic

For god’s sake, he didn’t even know who Robin was!!!

[nightmareinfloral]

yes chuck dixon’s nightwing has issues but I promise you it’s a million times more interesting than taylor’s and a hell of a lot less problematic than seeley’s. Go read it.

[romanadvoratrelundar]

was trying to find a good run of batman i actually enjoy & that are a good in-road to the character that i can recommend someone so they can enjoy batman content also and i failed miserably. so i just told them to watch btas and be done with it

[starlooove]

Guys it was funny and all but do y’all genuinely think Jason is a cop