#C-DID

[scars-and-fragments]

Does any other system use custom fronting statuses to help track sleep?

We just add it to front right before we put our phone down to sleep. This way it tells our friends and partners when we’re sleeping, but also tracks our sleep nearly accurately.

Don’t say anything about our shitass sleep schedule or we’ll steal all your left shoes

[sirenium]

If your trauma caused you to split, then you were traumatized 'enough' to be traumagenic/have DID, OSDD or what have you. Trauma isn't always from a parent: it can be peer bullying/shunning, sibling abuse, near death experiences, experiencing death of a loved one or even a stranger, medical trauma, etc.

I will go one step further and say that if your system experience isn't purely traumagenic, and you're pushed out of supposed safe spaces because of it, don't feel pressured to change the labels that feel right for y'all. I have half a heart to not post this in traumagenic tags, because SO MANY traumagenic systems are anti endo it seems. But mixed origin systems exist, endo systems exist, non-disordered traumagenic systems exist, etc and plurality is such a large umbrella of different experiences (even yours!).

You're doing nothing wrong by existing.

[sysboxes]

Hi, I saw you make a userbox on C-DID and I wanted to ask if you maybe have a good resource or something that explains what it is? cause I have DID but ive never heard it with the C attached... no worries if not. thank you!!

C-DID stands for Complex DID. Complex DID and Polyfragmented DID are the same thing, though some people may say that there are some differences.

(I’ll just refer to it as polyfrag for the rest of this for simplicity)

Polyfragmented DID is considered a more “complex” version of DID. The complexity comes from:

splitting patterns ~ splitting several alters/fragments at once, splitting a lot over a short period of time, and/or splitting more frequently or easily

fragments ~ not all DID systems have fragments whereas polyfrag DID systems typically have at least some, if not a lot. Often times polyfrag can have subsystems made up of fragments or they’ll have at least one group of alters who are fragments holding similar trauma or the same traumatic experience split up between fragments (example: one fragment holds the emotions or the fear, one holds the sensations, one holds the memories, etc. or they each hold bits of memory. Or whatever else, it varies)

System Structure ~ briefly mentioned above, but with polyfrag it’s primarily about the way the system is structured or the way the system functions. Meaning polyfrag have subsystems (an alter has their own system OR there is a group of alters who exist together or function as one collective), a system or group of alters separated from the “main” group of alters, etc

The person typically starts being traumatized and forced to dissociate in infancy or sometimes as a toddler (whereas with DID, you can start developing DID later on). Though this is not a requirement and not always the case.

With polyfrag DID, they’re usually forced to dissociate throughout childhood, sometimes even throughout being a teen and sometimes during adulthood or at least early adulthood

polyfrag systems can have high alter count, but this is not a requirement. And it’s typically that they have lots of fragments, not fully-formed/fleshed out alters. 

polyfrag systems do not have to switch frequently, though some do switch frequently or have a larger group of alters who help take care of daily things

Because Complex DID and Polyfrag DID are not actually medical terms, it’s hard to find reliable information on them. They are more just community terms for people to describe their unique experiences. Basically it’s a way to differentiate themselves from typical DID systems and a way to describe their more complex structure. Some therapists or medical professionals may describe someone’s DID as being complex or polyfragmented, but again, it’s not actually a medical term it’s more just a descriptor.

Every system is going to be different. Everyone uses these terms to mean something a little different. But the stuff I listed is generally what people use it to mean. 

Here’s some links below (again, these aren’t medical terms so there aren’t really medical papers or anything on it and it’s mostly just people in the community describing their experiences or what they consider polyfragmentation)

Someone on tumblr listing what a polyfrag system usually means

Someone on tumblr describing difference between DID and C-DID

Someone on tumblr explaining what fragments are

Someone on tumblr explaining what polyfrag is and quoting research

Someone on tumblr listing what C-DID could entail

A PDF of a medical paper on complex MPD (this paper is from the 1980s I think, when DID was still called MPD)

A polyfrag DID systems vent on Reddit about what being polyfrag is for them (I wasn’t really sure about whether to include this or not bc it is a vent but it’s also a good explaination of what polyfrag DID actually is versus what people portray it as on social media..)

(if any of this is wrong plz let me know we’re not perfect lol and I didn’t read through all of these links)

[splashthebird]

GEEEEEEERRY N TIM ART!!!!!

Tim n Garry (Drawn by the coolest Tim EVER!!!) (I'm just realizing im so used to calling this lad garry instead of gerry I was so confused when "timgerry" came up instead of "timgarry")

Base I used under cut ---V

[ultism]

need to know im not alone in system stuff being awfully overwhelming all the time :') especially cuz it turns out that I may not only be a DID system, but a C-DID system as well and its sooooo much to process. if I'm being honest, I've had multiple breakdowns over it

and knowing that I've been going through this (and I know that other systems have as well) it just makes me even more mad at endos or people who think they can choose these things. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

the constant confusion, overwhelm, and trauma it took to even get here - seriously, it's awful. this isn't "fun people in your head" time. it's a lot of emotional processing and survival tactics that, without them, who knows what would've happened.

it's just so much to even think about. TOO much.

[antiendofictives]

gods, is being in a large (most likely polyfragmented) system getting really confusing.

theres like, four different guys in our head of the same character and none of them are alike but they are also similar enough to cause loads of identity confusion whenever any of them front

(not personally a fictive but they wanted me to send in the ask, hope thats ok!)

yeah, it can be confusing. We're a C-DID / polyfragmented system too and god, there are so many fictives and so many fictives of the same source, like we have lots of tommyinnit fictives and they all go by different variations of the name Tommy (e.g; one is tommyinnit, one is tom, one is just tommy, one is TM, one is thomas, ect) and it gets really confusing, they're different but also similar and its hard to tell them apart

Also yeah, you can send asks here!!

[cdd-swag-bracket]

Amane Momose from MILGRAM, a music project by DECO*27 and Yamanaka Takuya-Polyfrag/C-DID (headcanon)

"[Not canon]

[ !!! TW for cult and child abuse mentions !!!]

Amane is a polyfragmented DID system. To Me. In her first trial (basically the first season if you want to think about it like that) she was voted Unforgiven/"Guilty" for the murder she committed. This caused her to, as many of the other characters describe it, "become a completely different person". In her second trial voice drama, she started referring to herself as "we", and she said that she was "both Amane Momose and not Amane Momose" when a character brought up her extremely out of character behavior.

Her voice was completely different when she talked and behaved like this. It was much emptier and deeper than her usual voice, which is higher and has an audible cadence to it, in stark contrast to the other voice's very monotonous tone.

In her second music video, The Purge March, it shows hundreds of Amanes together doing a march performance thing (idk I'm not familiar with marching band stuff). They all seem to be autonomous, having "gone rogue" and decided to do what they wanted nearing the end of the MV.

She is 12 years old and has been being raised in a cult. She's been severely psychologically and physically abused for who knows how long. Likely the vast majority of if not her whole life. As expected, she has a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. She both sees herself as completely free and as being controlled. She says she was treated well by her parents and then insults them for how they treated her. She values love and mercy above all else then seems to scoff at the idea of it.

I believe her to be polyfragmented because, well, the MV, and also I think it would explain why she could still be a system even despite the "evidence" a character used on her as proof that she couldn't be one. Her system may work in groups, so Amane could for most of the time always be "around" within a main fronting group, so to speak, even if she's not in control. The way in which MILGRAM measures if a prisoner is the prisoner or not (since it's their mind that is considered the prisoner, not necessarily the body) could still gauge that Amane is the one there if she's still co-fronting or co-con as other alters do their thing. This would keep the prisoner restrictions on her, which was what was used as proof that she was "just Amane" (ie. a singlet).

Last but definitely not least, she has a recurring "gag" in what are called MINIGRAMs. They're basically just silly little comics showing the prisoners day-to-day interactions with each other as well the the prison guard. This recurring gag is the "Amane Council". If she's being faced with a decision she needs to make but is heavily conflicted about it, it shows a council meeting being held in her head with 3 different Amanes debating on what to do.

Final verdict: She is a system.

Source(s): Dude trust me"

[narcissisticpdcultureis]

Polyfrag/C-DID NPD culture is "look at me, im sooo traumatized and sooo damaged, you HAVE to give me validation and show me that you're worried because im damaged and special!!"

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[evergreensys]

Do y'all mind if we ask, what is a fragment? I've heard the term but haven't figured out what it means

Yeah, no problem! A fragment is defined as "any headmate that usually does not possess full autonomy, sapience, or identity", [1] "an alter that is not fully differentiated or developed", [2] and "a member of a system who isn't a complete person or is not a fully formed person". [3]

In C-DID/polyfragmentation, fragments can usually be viewed as "pieces" of an alter. Several fragments splinter off a headmate, which is often a traumaholder. The traumaholder fractures off shards of a single memory, held by the individual fragments. When all fragments of an alter fuse, they may gain access to the full picture of that specific memory.

This isn't to say all fragments are like this, though. Sometimes, you can split fragments individually as a result of not being fully formed before they front. This is the most common situation for us, actually! Unfortunately, there's not much explanation (that we've seen, anyways) for why this happens. It's just something our brain feels like doing, haha.

Edit: Also! I forgot to mention that fragments are sometimes split off for a single role/event/trauma. In fact, I've heard of many cases where the splitting is caused by redundancy, for lack of a better term. Say there's a system in need of someone to protect them. They split a fragment, and that fragment's sole purpose is to protect. Now, fast forward a bit, and the system needs protection again. Instead of calling forth the first fragment, the system splits off another fragment. It's pretty annoying to experience, actually.

[scars-and-fragments]

Me: I forget why I was upset... Alter: *fronts and explains why they were upset* Me: ... and I don't remember what they said.

[sirenium]

In spite of the endo hatred on certain sys tags, I will continue to post endo positivity in them. We are a disordered traumagenic system, and we're unaffected by endos existing. Endos don't harm 'real systems' or 'mock trauma' or whatever antis whine about. In case any nondisordered endos needed to hear that from a sys like us, there you are.

Edit: I say 'traumagenic' but our origins are more complicated than that lmao (not to mention I'm trying to let go of origin labels). It's sort of like a heavy simplified idea of things per se.

[reimeichan]

Despite having fused down to 6 named alters now (Gray, Green, Purple, Crimson, Azure, and <redacted>), my system is still pretty obviously polyfragmented. We still have unknown parts popping in fairly regularly to make themselves known, or we feel them passively influence us in ways inconsistent with the currently known parts. I can still see the many layers of complexity within the system even within these 6 named alters.

Tbh, I had wondered if my system would still be considered "polyfrag" once we fused down enough, and at this point I'm fairly convinced that yeah, we would be. Gray actually split into quite a few parts the other day due to something that nearly sent us to the hospital (we're fine), and the way our brain still seems to hold onto all these little fragmented pieces in their tangled web of structure despite otherwise having fused down a lot really puts into perspective that there really do seem to be fundamental differences between polyfragmented vs non-polyfragmented systems. And there are some other things tipping me off that our system structure is at its core still as complex as ever, but that's not something I'm willing to detail on my public blog.

[thestarseersystem]

Complex Alters

I wanted to make a post explaining and going over one aspect of my C-DID, to help better inform you guys and to see how much you relate or experience these things.

What are complex alters, in my definition? In my experience, these are alters made up of different parts or fragments, and act as one whole alter, instead of switching between those different parts. They can split as complex, or they can fuse from multiple fragments.

Complex alters made up of different fragments can look like all seemingly different alters fused into one. For example:

They can be three different alters, let's go with red, green and blue. They all decide, "y'know what, we're kind of all the same, let's join together to create a new alter, that combines and makes use of all our traits." And y'know what, they become "purple". Purple is still the sum of all the three parts. Purple has memories and feelings from red, green and blue. And Purple, when you look very closely, can take on any traits they want, from red, green and blue. Three introject fragments that formed to combine into a non-introject alter. For me, this is my alter called Pan. He is a little boy who takes on the traits of three different introject fragments that were nothing alone, but felt that they were so closely aligned, that they're now stronger together.

Another type of complex alter that is made up of many fragments, can look like my alter called Alyce. They are fused from all alice in wonderland inspired introjects. Whenever I split a new fragment based around alice in wonderland, Alyce gains a new aspect of themselves. So they can look like multiple different hues of the same color, depending on whichever aspect is most fitting to them at the time. Like blue, royal blue, navy blue, robins egg, sky blue, baby blue, etc. They are still all Alyce, but is like chainmail of alters. They are all linked to one another and act unanimously, but from our perspective, we can still recognize all the fragments that Alyce makes up within themselves. This is different from a subsystem.

The other complex alter type that we notice within our system, is an alter that was split complexly, and is not recognized to be multiple fragments before hand. So they never fused, just ended up kind of being like a half fusion of two alters, and these alters act and feel independently. But these two alters remain in the same innerworld body. It is like an alter being twins in one. And in this instance, we have Emiline and Gwendolyn.

Emiline exists in the left half of the innerworld body. She has two toned hair, the left side being pink, and having a glasgow/stitched face on that side. She is the angrier and more aggressive one. She has feelings and thoughts separate from Gwendolyn and is her twin sister, even though they share the same body.

Gwendolyn exists on the right half of the innerworld body. She has blue hair on the right side and often wears a teardrop below her eye. She is the more gentle and sad one of the two. She is a crybaby and often leans on Emiline for support and protection.

But they both look out for each other, and compliment each other. They both have purple eyes. And have an older sister named Beatrice.

So these are what my complex alters look like, and no, they're not fully fused within one another. While the fragments work together as one, complex alters regardless act together in some way. They share a common goal and could potentially split apart in the future. But due to the fact that they rely on each other for survival, that is unlikely that they'd completely split.

Complex alters do not really see their fragments or internal parts as a past event from fusion because they are not fully fused. They still all have different thoughts, but work together in some way. I've only seen this happen in polyfragmented systems, because of the nature of complex splitting patterns. But maybe it happens in your system.

Share with me, I'd love to hear your thoughts and feelings and experiences. Feel free.

[disabled-sysboxes]

[TEXT ID: this system has C-DID]

[IMG ID: a light blue rectangular box with the OSDDID flag - a flag with four stripes, black, blue, green, and yellow - to the left, and the text 'this system has C-DID' to the right]

[TEXT ID: this system has C-DID]

[IMG ID: a light orange rectangular box with the original OSDDID flag - a flag with three stripes, white, orange, and black - to the left, and the text 'this system has C-DID' to the right]

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[disordered-system-culture-is]

previously thought OSDD but newly discovered C-DID system culture is feeling very lost in the system tags

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[syscultureis]

c-did plural culture is like 99% of the alters not really having a clear role. like what it up with us??

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