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i posted this on twitter also but it’s still eating at me. i’m so fucking embarrassed to be jewish rn. i dont want to be associated with this ongoing bullshit from israel. why do we need our own state. theyre just making every jew across the globe look bad in general even though many of us are conflicted about zionism and the legitimacy of israel as a state
people have hated jews throughout history for no fuckin reason but now israel exists but now its like. GIVING people reasons to hate us as a group. note that i DON’T conflate zionism with jewishness, but a lot of people in the world don’t know the difference because theyre uninformed and been dripfed cultural antisemitic tropes their whole life and that’s the scary part is them falsely putting two and two together. like what the fuck israel stop youre just putting fuel on the fire for people around the world to hate an entire group of historically persecuted people if youre being this shitty with your insane colonialism and apartheid like……I Want No Fuckin Part Of This. you’re spelling our own doom. you cant just swoop in and go “mine now” and then oppress the people you took land from under a regime without my blood boiling at the injustice no matter WHO you are. even if my lineage is tied to you. so when news outlets support israel it doesn’t feel like they have the best interest of jews as a people in mind. it’s in the interest of a zionist ethnostate and whatever that christian zionism belief is about the jewish people returning to the holy land as prerequisite for the second coming of jesus. its not like they care about us as a dispersed ethnocultural group, it’s all for that religious narrative that a bunch of people in the US are backing.
saying you want all jews to die is antisemitic. beating someone up because they’re jewish and no other reason without knowing their views is antisemitic. criticizing human rights violations perpetrated by israel and the belief that one group deserves more rights another is not antisemitic. and the fact that israel has the ability to pull that antisemitism card in response to criticisms of the violations they commit because their state is the “jewish homeland” drives me fucking insane. take fucking accountability for your actions. and yes, there do exist full-on anti-jewish groups in the middle east that go beyond hatred of israel’s policies and existence as a state and i’m tired of people pretending there aren’t in fear of appearing to seem like they support the state of israel. on the other side of things many people overestimate this by fearmongering and saying EVERY arab is out to get jews worldwide, telling people like me “they want YOU dead”. this is not the belief every person in the middle east and it really rubs me the wrong way that people group millions of individuals into all-encompassing lumps like this. many people there do understand nuance of this political situation.
even if i have that “right of return” by israeli law or whatever, i don’t feel obliged to it; it does not register as fair. why do i have a “right of return” when i’ve never even been there in the first place while palestinians who have homes there can’t return to them? what’s the basis for that? substituting objective reality with an imaginary reality? i don’t think like that. i can hypothetically come and go whenever i please but palestinians are severely limited in mobility? what makes me more entitled to that land than the people who lived there for centuries? nothing that comes from natural law thats for sure. it’s all artificial and inflated.
but at the same time i also dont want to be the target of antisemitism and caught in the fray just for being ethnically jewish. once people start calling for the genocide of entire groups we’ve got issues (and you better believe this absolutely applies to the palestinian victims in gaza too), because people who dissent to the violence perpetrated by the loudest are caught in there with the people who are perpetrating the violence. lack of nuance. people conflating israel and its zionist apartheid policies with jewish ethnicity and culture worldwide. other people conflating being terrorist anti-jew with muslims worldwide (like that 6-year old palestinian-american boy that was just stabbed to death in chicago). scary times man. but as a jew i can’t just opt out of this if it’s how i was born as. i don’t have control over that. but i can control what i think and what my beliefs are
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y’all i found it, i found the post that originated the claim that i’m a ZionistTM and it’s even more ridiculous than i expected.
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this is, of course, the same person who labeled me a MisogynistTM for making a half baked joke reblog basically saying “jewish standards of masculinity are different than white western standards of masculinity” then cited orthodox judaism, a community i’m not a part of, as why Actually The Jewish Community Is Horrifically Misogynistic And Bad (as if i haven’t faced misogyny from jewish cis men before???????)
anyway, my post in this screenshot didn’t once mention israel. it didn’t mention zionism. it was talking about antisemitism. i turned off reblogs because people were making it about zionism and israel, which was derailing my original point. i set a specific boundary and people kept crossing it, so i turned reblogs off and blocked people who wouldn’t leave it alone. absolutely nothing about that could possibly indicate that i’m a zionist unless you think that diaspora jews setting boundaries about being forced into a conversation about israel, especially one where we are essentially being blamed for the antisemitism we face because of the government of a country we don’t even live in and have no control over (there’s a phrase that, it’s called dual loyalty and it’s been getting jews killed for decades) or if you think simply talking about the history of antisemitism and current rising levels of antisemitism is somehow “zionist propaganda” in which case you might want to get your head out of your ass and question why you’re agreeing with literal nazis. also bonus points for this person literally just blatantly blaming jews in the tags for the rise in antisemitism because we’re apparently not being antizionist enough to deserve basic human decency and safety! not even trying to hide it anymore huh!
and of course it worked like a charm bc now, months later, you have people saying this:
“the jew is trying to disguise himself as one of you to trick you!!!!!! he is actually evil and trying to manipulate you to further his evil (((zionist))) plans!!!!!!!!!! beware!!!!!!!!!!!” which is literally just repackaged antisemitic tropes that are centuries old. i’ve never interacted with the person in this screenshot in my entire life, and yet they seem to think they have insider knowledge into my Evil Zionist Plans to infiltrate the community and spread Zionist Propaganda because they interacted with one gentile witch that threw a hissy fit about being told not to be antisemitic in discourse about gentiles appropriating lillith. this gentile decided that every single jew who disagreed with them was a zionist, and when i told them it was antisemitic as fuck to call any jew they disagree with a zionist they went on about me being a “raging zionist” and “faking being queer” for DAYS. so it’s not a mystery where the person in this screenshot got the “ooh scary (((zionist))) pretending to be queer and trans to spread his evil (((zionist))) propaganda” rhetoric from. it’s word-for-word from the gentile witch who was pissed about fucking LILLITH DISCOURSE.
bc the thing is, these ppl don’t actually care if i’m a zionist. if they did, they would be engaging with what i’ve said (which is practically nothing because i knew the second the word israel touched my blog that this would happen — which is why i didn’t want people going on and on about israel on a post about antisemitism). they know that labeling a jew a zionist is an immediate death sentence in progressive circles. they know it’s the easiest way to discredit a jew you don’t like. because it doesn’t matter how many times you say “no, i’m not” you will be forever tainted in the eyes of gentiles by that accusation. that’s why they made the accusation in the first place. and so i will continue to not share any of my thoughts or opinions other than “i’m pro palestinian liberation” and “i’m not a zionist” and people will ignore that to play yet another game of Zionist Telephone to target a jew they don’t like. it’s not the first time it’s happened, to me or in general, and it won’t be the last time. i just hope people seeing this and reading this will help people understand how fucked up and antisemitic it is.
so yeah. if you see accusations floating around that i’m a zionist, this is where it came from. a situation that is textbook dual loyalty, being punished for setting boundaries on my own blog, and people who hate trans men jumping at the chance to demonize one with one of the easiest tricks in the book as soon as they see he’s also jewish. the fact i keep having to address this when the origin of the rumor is literally just antisemitism should heavily inform how seriously you take random claims online that a jew is a zionist. most of the time it’s just blatant antisemitism, and very often it’s a way to silence an unrelated conversation that person was trying to have.
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Dear anti Zionists
I will try and make this brief and to the point since you often attack me without reading the entirety of my posts :
I’ve seen your recent posts about the trials in Haag, and the mockery you’ve made of the events of October 7th. That’s just disgusting. Freeing Palestine has nothing to do murdering Israeli civilians.
- This war was initiated by Hamas , a terrorist organisation on October 7th.
- You cannot deny that they invaded Israel and then massacred thousands of civilans , raped and mutilated women and children, kidnapped civilians , shot thousands of rockets, destroyed homes ….
There are currently 136 Israeli hostages still held in captivity, for almost 100 days. They’re held in underground tunnels and being withheld medical care and medications. The women are raped and the man tortured.
There are currently also hundreds of thousands of Israelis displaced from their homes due to the war.
-I will say it again: Literally every war or operation in Israel’s history was not initiated by Israel. It is always a matter of retaliation to foreign military invasion or terror attacks .
I’m only 22 and I have personally lived through one intifada, 4 wars and countless military operations.
We are all suffering because of Hamas. Once again- my city is often under attack and people I know are dead. And some of you here have absolute nerve to say that I’m privileged????
-Intifadas aren’t cute civilian uprisings. They’re violent terror attacks against civilians. Children’s Buses blowing up, restaurants blown up, shootings, stabbings, running over people…
read a damn book or something before you chant “Globalise the Intifadas🥹”.
-Have any of you here ever spoken to a Palestinian or an Israeli in your life? Do you even know anyone Jewish?
- Please give me actual example of the apartheid in Israel, I’m waiting. My Druze / Arabic colleagues , friends and I literally frequently joke about this claim.
-No, blockades between the West Bank/Gaza and Israel do not count.
There are ISIS affiliated/ Hamas terrorists in the West Bank and Gaza, territories that are not governed by Israel > there are borders check point. Israel has the right to defend itself against terror.
-by the way, Jordan and Egypt both have those blockades btw- I don’t see any of you attacking them? The hypocrisy…
- While I am not questioning the death and suffering of Palestinians , this has to be said:
The amount of Palestinian casualties during the Hamas-Israel war is estimated by unconfirmed sources , and isn’t corroborated by any neutral official organisation.
It was also proven that most of the casualties are terrorists.
The Gaza ministry of health= Hamas .
Al Jazeera= not credible &has been time and time again proved to be biased and anti-Semitic.
Furthermore, It’s been proven time and time again that Hamas terrorists work at UWNRA, and that Palestinian reporters in both Al Jazeera and western media outlets are in fact Hamas members/ supporters.
One of them literally joined the Al Qasam forces in their attack on October 7th, and was reporting rather enthusiastically on the murder of Israeli civilians. As the massacre continued around them.
You would rather believe terrorists & terrorists sympathisers than Jewish/ Israeli victims’ testimonies and the concrete evidence they provide.
-It seems like you’re ignoring what Gazans are saying in your attempts to “free Palestine”.
If Gazans themselves are saying Hamas are to blame for their terrible living conditions and war , why are you defending Hamas?
Why are you assuming that you know better than the people who are actually living this conflict?
-The IDF has been trying every tactic under the sun to alert civilians from incoming strikes. There are whole unites devoted to texting calling Gazan civilians. They have made millions of calls this war alone.
And yes, even the infamous flyers you joke about are used.
Do you know any other army that does that?
God I am so tired of the misinformation, lies and hatred here. So many of you are showing your true colours- ignorance and antisemitism.
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Before I say anything, please read this with a friendly tone because I am absolutely not saying this in a nasty way.
I think it’s wonderful that you are spending time at your school’s encampment to protest the genocide in Gaza. Our voices are being heard, it’ll just take some time before we see results.
But, when you say Zionist, I have the weird feeling that you mean Jew. And the reason I say that, is because I have seen so many videos, tweets and interviews where the protestors are calling for violence against Jews. Not Zionists, Jews.
And please, please don’t try to say that’s a lie because I have seen way too much evidence that support what I’m saying.
No one in their right mind would ever support what’s going on in Gaza. The Israeli government MUST be held accountable for what they’re doing.
But when there are people calling for violence against Jews, people will react violently. This has happened before & it’s terrifying that even though I don’t support Israel and am disgusted by their actions, I am still a target for these people simply because I’m visibly Jewish.
I am proud of my heritage and being Jewish, I had family members who survived the concentration camps, which is a major part of why I would never support what Israel is doing to the innocent people in Gaza.
Maybe I’m being sensitive, but when you say things like this, I can’t help but feel that I would need to avoid you and your friends simply because I’m jewish & don’t want to get attacked for it.
Thank you for being friendly about this and explaining your feelings in a comprehensive way. I think it’s important to set any misunderstandings right, especially when liberation calls for unification and compassion.
When I say zionist, I do not mean Jewish. I won’t gaslight you into distrusting the evidence you’ve witnessed of others’ words, especially since I haven’t been given that evidence to watch for myself, but I need to make it clear that I am strictly referring to those who support the genocidal entity of Israel when I call out their brutality.
I understand why you might feel hesitant, as precaution is a given when you’ve been exposed to past discrimination. But please do not misrepresent my words. I am very against antisemitism. Within my school’s encampment, Jewish students have been one of the loudest voices calling for peace, and even if that weren’t the case, I am intelligent enough not to conflate them with a proper fascist doctrine. In fact, part of my advocacy against the state of Israel discusses the fact that their actions done ‘in the name of judaism’ are directly harming the Jewish community by associating them with this attack, and so it would be hypocritical of me to then believe such disinformation.
I don’t know how many other ways I can say it, but in the future, please don’t apply accusations onto someone who has never given you reason to do so. I am very careful upon choosing my words, and I have never pushed the narrative that the Jewish population is responsible for what’s happening in Gaza. They are not the ones who should face the consequences, and I’m sorry that you seem to have come across those who believe otherwise, but that is not me.
I also didn’t call for violence, if that’s what you’re concerned about. In my previous post, all I meant was that we should call out zionists for their brutal reactions to peaceful protests (look at what happened at UCLA for example). That is, to hold them accountable, since the state isn’t interested in doing so.
(and if anyone is using Israel’s attack on Gaza as an excuse to express their rotten prejudices and antisemitism then block me. this is not a safe space for you)
#again thank you for being respectful#i would never attack someone for simple being jewish#or for any unwarranted reason for that matter#༄dee answers
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hi all.
i’m hoping to get back to updating soon. it’s something i dearly miss and cannot wait to get back to when i have time. ive been putting a lot of my focus lately into not only my last semester of grad school but also into action for palestine. it’s more important to me to invest the little free time i have into doing what i can to push the fight for a liberated palestine. i refuse to sit here and act like everything is okay when millions of people are suffering a genocide.
hybe is complicit in this ethnic cleansing as well whether you want to accept it or not. they’ve allowed scooter braun to have the power and influence to spread zionist propaganda. scooter braun has always shown himself to be a despicable excuse for a human being, and if him being a zionist on top of all of that isn’t enough for you to consider his termination a crucial goal to work toward.. you do not truly care about palestine.
palestine cannot be free if we allow zionism to become normalized. it’s our duty to call it out and shame zionists out of our spaces! they are not and should not be welcome ANYWHERE. which is why i’m one of many moas who have made the decision to BOYCOTT HYBE. i refuse to put money in the pockets of these greedy, capitalist pigs who don’t care about anything but squeezing every penny they can out of fans. it’s not about the music anymore for bighit. all they care about is how much they can get away with because they know we’re willing to spend anything if it means getting content and merch. i don’t want to hurt txt’s comeback, but in my opinion, a comeback isn’t more important than a fucking genocide. plain and simple. i refuse to give hybe any more of my money through streams, album sales, tickets, or merch until they get rid of fuckass scooter braun.
if you don’t want to boycott, that’s fine. that’s your choice and i don’t blame you for not wanting to. as long as you’re doing what you can to help palestine in other ways, i see no shame. but i still do encourage you to consider boycotting as well. if not, but you’re able to buy multiple albums and concert tickets? i think you can also donate to palestinian aid and families as well. i just ask you not say you care about palestine yet do nothing to help their resistance.
that being said: i hope you don’t shame fans who do choose to partake in this boycott, because you need to understand this isn’t an attack on txt or any other hybe group. i’ve seen so many people attack boycotters and accuse us of wanting our idols to fail. it makes my blood boil because that couldn’t be farther from the truth. you must be truly out of touch and thick headed to think this is a personal attack on them. there are more important things than a comeback. especially when one of the songs (the killa) on txt’s new album was produced BY AN “ISRAELI”!! this is what we’re talking about when we say scooter braun is playing a huge role in welcoming zionism to hybe. people are losing their homes, their land, their families, their LIVES.. this is about removing the facilitators of genocide from positions of power in every industry they leech on. and if you somehow can’t seem to understand that, you’re a zionist too. chart positions, views, album sales, whatever are not more important than the liberation of indigenous people. choosing to believe otherwise is cruel and evil, and choosing to argue with us over this makes you no ally to palestine. it makes you complicit to the normalization of zionism which is the primary force in the oppression and dehumanization of palestinian people.
i encourage you to download the songs elsewhere (so many google drive links and free streaming apps exist (for example: musi)). don’t stream the killa. refuse the normalization of zionism. make zionists UNCOMFORTABLE! they don’t deserve to experience peace when palestinians are living in constant fear because of the barbaric attacks by that illegitimate state trying to forcibly steal palestinian land.
below i’ve attached graphics from twitter made by palestinian fans and allies who are leading the boycott against hybe. if you would like more information i will link other important twitter accounts you can check out for more. you don’t have to follow the whole list but they ask we at least adhere up to priority 3!
i’m open to providing any other information you need. thank you for reading.
- yuri
important accounts/threads:
hybe boycott priority list thread
ARMY4PALESTINE
Music Lovers for Liberation
Zionists in Music
HYBE Boycott Update
Care for Gaza
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Misleading Claims about Gaza I’ve seen flying around
So I want to speak to a set of claims I’ve seen flying around that, while not 100% lies, get presented in a hugely misleading way.
I, a rando with an internet connection, was able to find with a simple google & wikipedia search that they were severely taken out of context.
1. They threw a gay person off a roof
Never happened.
This is a clear echo off of roof-related execution done by ISIS meaning to conflate the orgs in the mind of an uneducated westerner who doesn’t know how ME political groups are different.
There was indeed one (1) case of a person being accused of being gay & then executed (not by being thrown off a roof) – but that was among a long list of other crimes, & their relatives say it’s a pretext/slander to cover internal hamas power struggle.
Not great, part of a larger tendency to be repressive toward some rival factions, but hardly „systematic persecution and executions of gays“.
While it’s not exactly Amsterdam, there is no systematic or legally encoded persecution. There are cases of ppl being shunned or kicked out by their family, but you can say the same about, say, Alabama.
I’ve come across various posts by LBTQ people who travelled there and were not especially harassed. One even wore a flag pin.
A common thing you hear is that ppl are too busy just surviving & ending their more general oppression to worry too much about stuff like holding a pride march.
2. It’s forbidden to teach the holocaust in Gaza
This should have you very suspicious if you’re aware how little control Palestinians actually have over their education system and how they’re often handed textbooks with pro-zionist curriculums that present the Nakba as good (!) - to the point that arab students in mixed town hear their teachers call them the „enemy“ & younger palestinian educators often have not heard of famous palestinian writers & poets.
Indeed the claim probably goes back to a single dispute about a single UN course on human rights where Hamas officials expressed concerns about a curriculum that might include the holocaust for fear of indoctrination & zionist propaganda.
(Not an unreasonable fear, if you’re aware of the racist textbooks issue.)
During the discourse, there was an individual Hamas official who made some statement to the effect that the holocaust was probably just another lie made up by the Zionist to justify taking their country.
The man hasn’t been in power for years, btw (a good thing, seeing as he seems ignorant & incendiary) – genuine L for that guy & Hamas for hiring him. Not defending him at all, that guy is an idiot. But its NOT a comprehensive ban on the subject at all (indeed many Palestinians you see online seem quite well-informed)
But note how the claim is often presented in a way to evoke western neo-nazis who have long been motivated to explain away the biggest argument as to why their ideology is a bad idea.
Can you really compare these situations, though?
Make no mistake: The holocaust defo happened.
But why do I know this? Because I’ve read books by survivors as well as accounts of US & russian soldiers who found the mess. I’ve been to Dachau on a school trip & the walls of the gas chambers still had nail marks on them. I’ve been to that house in prague where all the walls are covered in victim’s names. My grandmother saw the infamous auschwitz human skin lamp with her own eyeballs. Heck, her father in law narrowly survived by jumping out of one of those death trains.
Now, does an older arab guy in a besieged, impoverished enclave have access to that proof? It’s not like he can travel to europe & go to a museum.
Also, as someone who went to an european school, I remember being told precious little about the middle east and some of it was stereotypic bullshit. So why would an arab guy living under a much worse-funded education system know much more about european history?
He’s used to the zionists spouting 2+2 = 5 lies, propaganda & spin all the time, so if he doesn’t know a lot about europe, he might jump to the conclusion that this thing they use to justify the conquest of his home is probably a lie as well.
Quite different from an european neo nazi denying mountains of proof out of wounded pride. (or because he actually thinks it was nbd but can’t say so publicly)
It’s kinda like the way radfems refuse to believe that men aren’t making up all their problems...
Again, it’s an L for that hamas guy, kids have nothing to fear from learning accurate facts about foreign countries, I'll always be against censorship & pro free information.
But one (1) idiot politician saying something offensive does NOT equal the subject being explicitly banned from discussion in all gazan schools.
The claim also leaves out the context that since Hamas also provides schooling & welfare there’s a bit of a rivalry/power struggle between it & the aid orgs (golly gee, I wonder why a population utterly abandoned by the international community would distrust foreigners...)
Something that was very telling about the post is „liberate gaza so they can finally learn about the holocaust!“ like its this all-important thing - I mean, it IS very important… if you’re european or jewish, cause in that case it massively impacted your civilization and your own family history. But it wasn’t the only mass murder nor the worst by method (rwanda) or number (stalinist purges) & doesn’t have this magic objective value, europe isn’t the navel of the earth & the ppl aren’t wrong not to want eurocentrism shoved down their throats.
I do think everyone should be taught about the evils of discrimination but probably a more natural place to start might be the armenian genocide, since Palestine used to be Ottoman. Or examples of discrimination in the arab world (including against jews)
I mean in that instance the guy was most likely being paranoid & advancing some power strugle agenda, & I’d say he was in the wrong, but the touchiness & concern about indoctrination has a reason & one instance of complaining about one course does NOT equal a general ban on the subject in schools. (many of which, are, after all, run by international orgs)
Frankly, a people living in a walled ghetto probably already know more about the evils of discrimination than anyone who doesn’t.
Also, it’s very ironic for Israel to go accusing others of denying atrocities when even mentioning the Nakba can cost you your academic career.
There’s no Israeli teens going to Nakba Museum and indeed school books portraying it as good that are forced on the arabs as well.
Imagine if a Romani, Jewish or Polish person in modern day Germany were forced to look upon textbooks full of common Nazi apologia like „Hitler built the Motorways“, „But Dresden!“ and „We only lost WWI cause the socialists backstabbed us!“ (For the record, all of those are all bullshit.)
3. When Israeli settlers pulled out of Gaza, the first thing they did is raze the synagogues
Again, this is deliberately phrased to remind westerners or diasporic jews of neo-nazis throwing molotovs and the like (if only our governments did as much against those as they’re presently doing to slander anti-war protesters… ), to trigger immediate sympathy for Israel & portray gazans as a bunch of vandalizing hatecrimers.
As the previous claims, this is „very loosely based on a true story“ as in it technically did happen but there’s a lot of context missing, such as:
Israel demolished TONS of Mosques & Christian Churches during the Nakba, or worse, turned them into warehouses bars & factories.
Settlers did horrific violence to ppl in Gaza. In one example, a house was burned with a toddler still inside. Settlers mocked & harassed the kid’s grandfather
When they pulled out, they destroyed the entire settlement, infrastructure & farming equipment so the locals couldn’t use it
They even considered destroying the synagogues themselves but then left them as the only buildings standing & tried to have them declared unesco heritage (possibly a ploy to maintain a presence in the strip after all or leave a backdoor to return, creating a strategic incentive to destroy them so the settlers wouldn’t have an excuse to come back)
We are talking about blocky cement structures a new as the settlements, NOT historic buildings (unlike the destroyed Mosques & Churches)
religious symbols & cultic objects were removed when the settlers left. Obviously. Why would they possibly leave it?
So what do we have left?
Some people vented their rage at empty concrete buildings that had no religious items in them, had no history and were never going to be used again. - which they were somewhat justified as seeing as symbols of domination leaving their mark on „their“ home, like a cat’s territorial piss markings, so it might as well be interpreted as an act of defiance against colonial power.
Still technically vandalism against a religious building, not very diplomatic, do not recommend etc.
but at the same time rather different from the idea suggested by „the first thing they did is raze the synagogues“… for once thing, there was nothing else left to raze cause the Israelis already did it themselves, it was retaliation for Palestinian sacral buildings being trashed & a response to finding out that israelis would destroy good farm tools rather than let them have it, and it was an interchangeable concrete block empty of actual synagogue stuff. - whereas without the context you are probably imaging hooligans singling out the synagogues out of useful, intact buildings, a unique historic building being thrashed or the cultic objects & holy books being broken & desacrated, similar to historic cases of nazi arson or russian pogroms. That just didn't happen.
The double standard, too, is very telling: This act of vandalism means gazans are evil hatecrimers out to get all the jews & means they can't be negotiated or made peace with, but Israelis’ much more widespread & systematic destruction of churches & mosques is assigned no such interpretation. Golly gee I wonder why.
Again, the point here is NOT to portray local government as perfect & flawless (what government is?) or to say that none of this stuff was bad. But sporadic events are being inflated into nonexistent systemic patterns, as well as misrepresented to appeal to very particular tropes & cliches to blatantly manipulate ya'lls emotional reactions.
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hiii it’s the fortnight mv anon person😭😭 i don’t know how to refer to myself lol but I just wanted to say thank you for actually watching the video that’s real commitment. I had also been avoiding it but I started having doubts that maybe I was just being a bad feminist and full of internalised misogyny so I had to double check that I was actually justified in not liking Taylor swift😌 I’m also the anon from the gaylortok thing so the brainwashed swiftie takes were starting to get to me anyways I also wanted to tell you you are basically the only anti swift tumblr I interact with because the others spiralled into Zionists or started attacking ts for like her looks and shit which didn’t sit right with me but you’re a gem and ily and thank you for your service🫡
you are not a bad feminist full of internalised misogyny please 😭 if your feminism starts and ends with taylor swift you are not a feminist you are swiftie and swifties seem to think the terms (and more dangerously, the ideology) are synonymous 😭
i fear that’s the problem with swifties they are so convinced in their delusions they have you questioning your own rational thoughts/opinions about this woman. like they really are a cult because how are you SO DEEP IN with this woman? it’s terrifying. and don’t worry anon gaylors are probably the most delusional swifties of them all
🥺🩷🩷🩷 thank you so much. it’s bizarre how many zionist anti swift blogs there are because this is the only tag where i see so many zionists congregate. and i hate hate hate when they attack ts looks! it’s one thing to analyze how her as a blonde haired blue eyed tall thin white woman impacts her power and public image but what use is there to call her ugly and nitpick her features. i think that’s cruel! you can find her unattractive (especially if you’re analyzing how she is peak eurocentric beauty standards) but like making fun of her appearance isn’t going to do anything except reflect badly on you.
anyways anon im grateful for you too 🩷
( i’ll give you the 🌌 emoji because it reminds me of a fortnight for some reason? if that’s okay with you!)
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I know you don’t want to get into this today and I fully support you recognizing when you have the spoons or don’t… and pls don’t post this cause I also don’t have the spoons to deal with whatever follow up would occur, but I just wanted to give context to that Kim K post talked about earlier: it’s not an insta story that just disappears, it’s been up since Oct 11th and not only does it say “Jewish friends and family” it also talks about her experience as an Armenian and the ethnic cleansing that took place last year/is taking place amongst her people. Anyone who claims that post was simply support for “zionists” is being antisemitic and too many people these days are using that term as simply a placeholder for “jew” so they can claim their comments aren’t antisemitic and it’s becoming more obvious and more prevalent in this fandom as well. When I’m seeing posts referring to ronen as a Zionist pig and other phrases that feel like it’s being said the same way “dirty Jew” would be? and no one seems to be standing up to those people at all? (Other than probably nasty anons who just want an excuse to be nasty). That doesn’t make a Jewish fan feel safe in these spaces at all. No matter how much we may share the same beliefs and causes as you do. You’re one of the few people I’ve felt safe still following cause I know you tag things I can filter when my spoons are low and all your posts have been very kindly spoken and understanding. so thank you for that at least.
Posting this because it is such a valuable perspective that I don't want to look away from. The amount of casual antisemitism that dances through the conversations around Gaza and Palestine is really disturbing, and I can't imagine how unsafe it makes these spaces feel. It has to be identified and called out.
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Same anon as the one asking for clarification on the ad. Please dont answer that one actually, I feel like that'll just open u up to more hate and I don't really think that's fair and I also realize it doesn't really matter as much as whats happening in rafah rn.
Hey! Odds of you seeing this are very slim given this ask lol but please don’t do this. You’ve every right to ask for an explanation, and while I’m probably not gonna be the best at providing one, I’m definitely gonna try because you’re owed that.
There’s lots to say about it but breaking it down, it’s ironic to air ads about threats of being bombed whilst you’re bombing an entirely different group of people. It also paints a picture that the “good Christian white man” is going to help his fellow believers and offer them shelter, turning it into a religious conflict when it’s not. Also, and I say this completely without offense so correct me if I’m out of line, but it just seemed so performative. Antisemitism & its rise must be called out, but I’ve never seen the US care about this (or any other form of prejudice towards marginalized communities) until now. It’s meant to make you feel sorry & feel bad, & to try to twist your understanding of why there “needs” to be a Jewish state.
This isn’t the best explanation by far, but I do hope I managed to highlight that campaigns like this, especially when funded by certain people (in this case zionists), will always have underlying intentions beyond what’s on the surface.
#also it’s sweet of you to worry but honestly anon hate is so ridiculous & thankfully it doesn’t get to me#& while it’s so great that you put rafah and everything first - please don’t feel like you as a jewish person don’t have the right to#question me or others when we call stuff like this propaganda#you’re right! it did seem like an innocent ad addressing the rise in antisemitism so it makes sense to not see beyond that#but the underlying message when mixed with general context paints a different picture#your solidarity does not come in exchange for yourself#tag: asks#if anyone’s got more to add or things to correct pls let me know#to the certain nazi anon that (<-) was NOT for you lmao go away
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Can I ask a genuine question?
I have shared stuff on here, but my friend hasn't because she uses this as an escape from the real world. She has shared on her other social media. Isnt that ok?
I keep seeing this issue pop up in the Fandom. Maybe i have a different way of looking at it, but if you have for example a sideblog where you only reblog fanfiction or one solely for nsfw things, it would feel weird and almost disenguineois to share something once. Like you're scrolling through smut and then there is just a random post? It feels almost like you are just sharing it to say you did, at least in my mind?
And now people are being attacked for supposedly not saying anything. I got a nasty message from an anonymous and I HAVE shared things before (I also only have like 15 followers so it probably wouldn't be hard to figure out who did it).
I understand the creators of the show are shitty people, and people can call that out and should, but are we also not allowed to live in a Fandom space? I know that is very privileged of me to say, but can we stop sending hate and bashing those who may or may not have shared about what is going on because I fear it's going to have the opposite effect.
Like for me getting that bad message...I ignored it but it also made me disgruntled. Like, im still going to share stuff and be vocal cause my blog has been for other things in the past and this is more important. But if it annoyed me and made me want to not say anything out of spite, how many others who run solely Fandom blogs? If that makes sense?
it does make sense what you’re saying and i do understand your point.
for me, and this is my personal opinion, it doesn’t really matter whether you are solely a fandom blog or not? this is a side blog for me to post my fanfiction and reblog any steve/stranger things related content and yet i will still post things relating to palestine and those within the show who are zionists because i believe it is an extremely important belief to express and whether you like it or not, it relates to stranger things and the fandom itself, in my view, and by not saying anything or believing you shouldn’t have to say anything is condoning their behaviour. its genocide at the end of the day and when it comes to an issue of human rights i don’t believe it should matter whether it fits in with your blog or not, or whether it would be perceived as weird to be scrolling through fanfiction and to then see a random post about something else i truly don’t think it should matter? i know i wouldn’t find it weird or disingenuous. but then again i am just one person and like i said thats just my opinion really
i totally understand the want to escape from the real world and why people may use their blogs and fanfiction to do this and this is a valid response as we all have lives beyond on our blogs and stuff going on personally but like you said it is privileged and i do believe we should all acknowledge that. the images are graphic and what is happening is extremely upsetting but in my opinion that is no reason to simply ignore what is happening. i don’t have an issue with people necessarily being silent (i don’t really have the time to trawl through people’s blogs to check if they have posted or not!) although i don’t agree with it, i would never try to police how people use their blogs or try and police their activism but my issue is specifically with people who are asking the question as to why they should bother saying anything if that makes sense? because for me it comes off extremely shitty and privileged that people seem to not be bothered about what’s happening because it’s not happening to them. i do believe everyone has a responsibility to condone a genocide that many of our governments (my own included) are funding and supporting
whether people want to believe it or not some people in the fandom do have a certain amount of influence due to their large following and i’m not saying it’s their duty to speak up on every single issue but i do believe it should be acknowledged but personally for me it doesn’t matter how many followers i have on either blog if it’s important i’m going to post about it and it’s a shame that others don’t share that view. i don’t know if it’s because im extremely political and have no issue articulating or expressing my beliefs? but i know others are not the same as me.
i don’t condone anyone getting hate asks, having been on receiving end of those, it isn’t nice. no one should be on the end of those no matter what the subject is. i don’t think it has any place in fandom at all and it’s such a shame that it seems to be so rife in the stranger things fandom. but i do believe in debate and a civilised discussion of politics and world issues in fandom spaces ESPECIALLY when it is directly linked to certain members of the cast and the show
#Anonymous#asks#anon isn’t supposed to be on lol#but i will answer this#this is just my opinion i do not want to be involved in any drama or negativity please
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standwithus is not “non-partisan” they’re literally classified as right wing even amongst zionist sociologists. the creator of the organization believes that any criticism of the israeli government should be condemned and that to be pro israel you must dogmatically support the actions of the government. they teach people that palestinian refugees exist not because of forceful displacement, but because of a war arab people started themselves (this is also what noah’s new bff moti believes). and when does standwithus ever mention palestinians on their page unless to call to put “palestinian terrorists” in bold red font or tell people to boycott BDS? john hagee is a key partner of SWU, and he’s a homophobic, racist, islamophobic antisemite who said hitler was a gift from god. (here’s an article from the jewish anti zionist org jewish for peace https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/10/ccpfisraelilobby/).
you are absolutely right that there are thousands of years of jewish culture. which makes reducing judaism down to the state of israel a stupid conflation. there’s no denying that jewish people have a connection to the land. there is absolutely zero issue with jewish people having historically lived in, visited, or worshipped in the region for much of history before the occupation. the issue comes with an establishment of a european led settler ethnostate and the displacement and incremental genocide/ethnic cleansing of the population that was living there. israel is a white supremacist apartheid state and this is both reflected in the genocide of palestinians and the national oppression that non-ashkenazi jewish people face in israel (https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/zionism/). not only does tourism fund this project, it propagandizes it.
birthright is an indoctrination trip and fundamentally problematic. noah wasn’t on birthright based on what i know, but he was on another free sponsored trip where many of the same issues with birthright remain true (https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2017/10/returnthebirthright-faq/ ).
palestinians aren’t the only people who are being murdered everyday, but why are we minimizing or normalizing the fact that they’re living under actual apartheid because of the israeli state? would it be okay or normal for somebody to have gone to apartheid south africa and called johannesburg their “happy place”? get real. celebrities regularly get all expense paid trips to israel and sell an image of israel that’s a whitewashed paradise. in a world where israel already gets billions of dollars in international support to fund their army that brutalizes palestinian existence and suppresses palestinian resistance, this isn’t an innocuous thing.
i’m just confused bc there are conflicting views about SWU. the zionist organization of america, for example, thinks SWU is too liberal and pro-palestine, more or less lol. i can provide a link if you want a source. also, there’s the whole thing with whether anti-zionism is antisemitism, and i’m not qualified nor an expert to answer that. i’ve been reading up on some stuff but it seems like there’s no clear answer.
this moti guy does seem firm in his convictions. but we don’t know if noah is actually close friends with him or agrees with his views. i doubt it but if he does, then that is something he’ll have to contend with. he is young, he’ll learn. anyway, i honestly think moti and the woman (rachel kay?) were the group leaders, more or less, and the boys noah were with seem to attend UPenn too.
i agree it is insensitve and ignorant to refer to israel as one’s happy place. we don’t know noah, so we don’t know what he means by it. he could be happy that he’s finally out of the closet and getting to hang out with people like him while connecting with his heritage and culture. i don’t think he meant any malice. btw, i did not mean to normalise or minimise what is happening in palestine, nor would i want to, so i apologise for that. i understand what you’re saying but there were people who enjoyed themselves in south africa during the apartheid. musicians for example, they performed gigs there. i can provide a source for that too.
again, we don’t know noah. and we can disagree on this but i don’t think he’s malicious. he likes travelling and exploring - which he often documents on insta and tiktok. and he has the opportunity rn since ST production is on hiatus due to the strike. he must be bored stiff and i don’t think he’s due back at college yet.
anon, thank you for your insights and nuance. i really do appreciate it. and thanks for the links too, i’ll have a look.
#noah schnapp#also that hagee guy is a proper weirdo lmao idk if noah knew about him. but then again - something he’ll have to contend with
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You really are one of the worst humans alive. Imagine trying to sell your hate for an actress (bc she fucks your celeb crush) as some sort of morally driven public service. Nobody needs this. Nobody cares about the past dirty laundry of some B list actress, except for jealous fangirls like you who are looking for ammunition. Nobody needs you like this. You are useless, a burden, with what you are doing. You could use the time and effort that you put into this into helping your local community instead (and don't lie "I AlReAdY dO ThAT", we all know people like you don't gaf), or learn a new useful skill, literally ANYTHING that'd be a net positive for society or even just for yourself, instead you do this. Delete this blog, ask yourself what is mentally wrong with you that you feel and think the way you do, go get help and actually live a life worth a damn.
The fact you all still defend Annabelle, so fucking funny.
You all are sick Zionists who have found their personal idol.
What the FUCK?! What brainwashing did she put you all through? You all are suck-asses. Sick.
The terrible things this woman has done: racism, fat phobia, lying to her fans, supporting her deluded fans to dox her “boyfriend”, supporting Israel (and lying by saying she supports Palestine, you cannot like both sides. That leaves you in the wrong, I’ll get into it later.), posting photos of random people (she doesn’t know) without their consent, and is rumored to be mean towards her fans in real life (speaking from RESEARCH), etc.
About the Palestine issue:
All of Seb’s fans (as I know of) support Palestine. The specific fan pages I am talking about are Soorwellystan and Wintersbucky, they claim they support Palestine yet don’t do shit after she posted about how the Israel people were also being attacked too. Like no shit they’re both being attacked, it’s war. And it’s sad. I support and stand by Palestine, whilst she all of a sudden supports both?
You guys go back and forth like with a man with a fly swatter.
She could commit any crime and you’d all take it and say: “She’s just letting her anger out from all these problems she has going on!”
Wow. Who knew?
You all cower at her feet like a bald chihuahua.
You’d kiss the ground she walks on just to get noticed by Sebastian.
You guys seriously hate him this much, that you hate all his GOOD exes (that did nothing wrong - except for ale), and all of a sudden worship Annabelle like some type of mythical being.
When his next girlfriend comes you all are going to scream and scream, hate and hate, until he breaks up with that girlfriend. You guys all know he isn’t happy with Annabelle, you all know it, you only like it because he’s very visibly miserable!!!
(80% of the time on his phone or having a forced smile for pap)
This man made multiple comments on how New York changed his life, made him the man he is, how he adores it, and how he could never dream of leaving it. All of a sudden, in the most toxic relationship I’ve EVER seen, he supposedly moved there? No he didn’t.
He is still in NYC he’s just busy currently, currently on jobs, interviews, conferences, Q&A’s, and photoshoots.
In 2020 he switched to the agency: CAA (who is known for making their clients/actors/celebs in the business do PR relationships)
Ale was supposed PR he seemed way happier with her then with Annabelle, body language. It’s all about vibes and body language, not to mention the photos that give his miserable emotions away.
You either are all hired, all just want him to yourself, hate him, or you’re just a brainwashed sheep.
You guys barely do ANY research on it before starting an argument about her so called “innocence”. Talking to you guys seriously melts my brain, I have no clue on what you guys are talking about.
At this point it’s always the same excuse:
“You’re just jealous”, “you’re crazy”, “you need help”, etc.
Here’s my answers to these.
1. I’m taken and in a very healthy, happy relationship. I love my partner and I do not plan to ruin it for a dream that will NEVER happen because he’s a celebrity.
2. I’m not crazy or schizophrenic. My father has BPD and schizophrenia, so thanks for reminding me of that. I got evaluated because I DO have issues going on (as everyone does, and I’m a human being with emotions) and the mental disorder i do have isn’t schizophrenia/psychosis/ASPD. Plus I’m a well-educated person. I don’t speak up about things unless I’m positive about it.
3. I think we got it wrong here. YOU GUYS need help, sending me death threats, insulting me for giving PROOF, other threats, fat shaming me (when you guys have no idea what I look like?), calling me ugly (again, you guys don’t know what I look like), and calling me a narcissistic/schizophrenic weirdo. You all have the proof in front of your face, you all ignore it and take your anger out on us (fellow exposing accounts), because it makes you have some sort of closure.
Anyways…
The photos that we have of them together, Sebastian looked tensed and like he smelt something rotten. I’ve never seen this man act this way before towards any of his girlfriends.
You all hated Margo, Ellie, Leighton, Jennifer, Dianna, and even ale (but ale was also a bad person either way) because he shown adoration for them. You all wish that was you.
You all claim that we’re jealous but in fact we’re not, we’re not kissing Annabelle’s ass to get some kind of “recognition” and “thank you” from Sebastian. It’s desperate and pathetic!! I’ve never seen anything more cringe. You guys are the type of people to be insulted by Annabelle and say: “It was such an honor to be insulted by her”, while tears stream down your faces in happiness.
You guys are the types of people to say: “he won’t ever fuck you” to an exposing account and then open twitter to read thirst tweets about him, read Y/N x Sebastian Stan ao3/wattpad, not to mention the LOADS of thirst edits.
You all claim you support Palestine, yet when Annabelle posted that post for Israel, you ignore it and dare to keep your Palestine flags in your bio?! You stick up for this woman, who is VERY problematic with 10000. POUNDS. OF. PROOF. POINTING OUT SHES HATEFUL (racist, rude, fat phobic, alcoholic, narcissistic, egomaniac, liar, two-faced, Zionist, etc) AND A LIAR, AND CLAIM YOU SUPPORT PALESTINE ?!
You all need to get your ducks in a row and understand what this woman does is on purpose, she made the decision to do this shit, she wants fame, she wants attention. She’s an attention seeking, leech, of a whore. She grew up privileged, she grew up in the business, she knows how to get attention and fame and she knows WHERE to get it from.
The fact she acts like a spoiled, whiny, un-disciplined 13 year old says it all. She’s served shit to you shippers on a platter, you guys would dare to eat that shit. Literally.
It’s so annoying to see you suck up to her as if she’s some type of Greek God. You guys would hold her 100 inch dress up for her if it dragged on the floor. She could bat an eye at you all and you’d scream because she’s the “girlfriend” of Sebastian.
But we all know why you do it. You all do it to be a suck ass.. you all do it for brownie points with Seb. It’s not happening. He doesn’t give 2 shits about her, let alone the attention she’s getting from all of you zombies. You don’t care about her, you guys just like her because he’s visibly miserable with her. You all like that because when he was with Margo, he was visibly obsessed with her, posting her (and captioning it the sweetest things), caught kissing, his eyes would sparkle looking at her, his smile would reach his eyes (and scrunch his nose) with her, and etc.
The fact that she could do/say anything… and you’d all adore her because she’s Sebastian’s girlfriend, it’s disgusting. You all like him with this rude, hateful, and problematic girl because you all know she’s the polar opposite of everything this man stands against. We all know he’s unhappy but the fact I have to personally come out about here like this and point out the flaws of this - forced relationship - out to you guys, is truly funny. You all know what you’re doing, you all are just too excited.
I hope he has a secret girlfriend behind the scenes and I HOPE some people expose that (if it is true).
This is how some of you seriously act:
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Hello, it is I, your friendly neighborhood historian. I am ready to lose followers for this post, but I have two masters degrees in history and one of my focuses has been middle eastern area studies. Furthermore, I’ve been tired of watching the world be reduced to pithy little infographics, and I believe there is no point to my education if I don’t put it to good use. Finally, I am ethnically Asheknazi Jewish. This does not color my opinion in this post — I am in support of either a one or two state solution for Israel and Palestine, depending on the factors determined by the Palestinian Authority, and the Israeli Government does not speak for me. I hate Netanyahu. A lot. With that said, my family was slaughtered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. I have stood in front of that memorial wall at the Holocaust memorial in DC for my great uncle Simon and my great uncle Louis and cried as I lit a candle. Louis was a rabbi, and he preached mitzvot and tolerance. He died anyway.
There’s a great many things I want to say about what is happening in the Middle East right now, but let’s start with some facts.
In early May, there were talks of a coalition government that might have put together (among other parties, the Knesset is absolutely gigantic and usually has about 11-13 political parties at once) the Yesh Atid, a center-left party, and the United Arab List, a Palestinian party. For the first time, Palestinians would have been members of the Israeli government in their own right. And what happened, all of the sudden? A war broke out. A war that, amazingly, seemed to shield Benjamin Netanyahu from criminal prosecution, despite the fact that he has been under investigation for corruption for some time now and the only thing that is stopping a real investigation is the fact that he is Prime Minister.
Funny how that happened.
There’s a second thing people ought to know, and it is about Hamas. I’ve found it really disturbing to see people defending Hamas on a world stage because, whether or not people want to believe it, Hamas is a terrorist organization. I’m sorry, but it is. Those are the facts. I’m not being a right wing extremist or even a Republican or whatever else or want to lob at me here. I’m a liberal historian with some facts. They are a terrorist organization, and they don’t care if their people die.
Here’s what you need to know:
There are two governments for the occupied Palestinian territories in the West Bank and Gaza. In April 2021, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas postponed planned elections. He said it was because of a dispute amid Israeli-annexed East Jerusalum. He is 85 years old, and his Fatah Party is losing power to Hamas. Everyone knows that. Palestinians know that.
Here’s the thing about Hamas: they might be terrorists, but aren’t idiots. They understand that they have a frustrated population filled with people who have been brutalized by their neighbors. And they also understand that Israel has something called the iron dome defense system, which means that if you throw a rocket at it, it probably won’t kill anyone (though there have been people in Israel who died, including Holocaust survivors). Israel will, however, retaliate, and when they do, they will kill Palestinian civilians. On a world stage, this looks horrible. The death toll, because Palestinians don’t have the same defense system, is always skewed. Should the Israeli government do that? No. It’s morally repugnant. It’s wrong. It’s unfair. It’s hurting people without the capability to defend themselves. But is Hamas counting on them to for the propaganda? Yeah. Absolutely. They’re literally willing to kill their other people for it.
You know why this works for Hamas? They know that Israel will respond anyway, despite the moral concerns. And if you’re curious why, you can read some books on the matter (Six Days of War by Michael Oren; The Yom Kippur War by Abraham Rabinovich; Rise and Kill First by Ronen Bergmen; Antisemitism by Deborah Lipstadt; and Israel: A Concise History of a Nation Reborn by Daniel Gordis). The TL;DR, if you aren’t interested in homework, is that Israel believes they have no choice but to defend themselves against what they consider ‘hostile powers.’ And it’s almost entirely to do with the Holocaust. It’s a little David v Goliath. It is, dare I say, complicated.
I’m barely scratching the surface here.
(We won’t get into this in this post, though if you want to DM me for details, it might be worth knowing that Iran funds Hamas and basically supplies them with all of their weapons, and part of the reason the United States has been so reluctant to engage with this conflict is that Iran is currently in Vienna trying to restore its nuclear deal with western powers. The USA cannot afford to piss off Iran right now, and therefore cannot afford to aggravative Hamas and also needs to rely on Israel to destroy Irani nuclear facilities if the deal goes south. So, you know, there is that).
There are some people who will tell you that criticism of the Israel government is antisemitic. They are almost entirely members of the right wing, evangelical community, and they don’t speak for the Jewish community. The majority of Jewish people and Jewish Americans in particular are criticizing the Israeli government right now. The majority of Jewish people in the diaspora and in Israel support Palestinian rights and are speaking out about it. And actually, when they talk about it, they are putting themselves in great danger to do so. Because it really isn’t safe to be visibly Jewish right now. People may not want to listen to Jews when they speak about antisemitism or may want to believe that antisemitism ‘isn’t real’ because ‘the Holocaust is over’ but that is absolutely untrue. In 2019, antisemitic hate crimes in the United States reached a high we have never seen before. I remember that, because I was living in London, and I was super scared for my family at the time. Since then, that number has increased by nearly 400% in the last ten days. If you don’t believe me, have some articles about it (one, two, three, four, and five, to name a few).
I live in New York City, where a man was beaten in Time Square while attending a Free Palestine rally and wearing a kippah. I’m sorry, but being visibly Jewish near a pro-Palestine rally? That was enough to have a bunch of people just start beating on him? I made a previous post detailing how there are Jews being attacked all over the world, and there is a very good timeline of recent hate crimes against Jews that you can find right here. These are Jews, by the way, who have nothing to do with Israel or Palestine. They are Americans or Europeans or Canadians who are living their lives. In some cases, they are at pro-Palestine rallies and they are trying to help, but they just look visibly Jewish. God Forbid we are the wrong ethnicity for your rally, even if we agree.
This is really serious. There are people calling for the death of all Jews. There are people calling for another Holocaust.
There are 14 million Jews in the world. 14 million. Of 7.6 billion. And you think it isn’t a problem the way people treat us?
Anyway (aside from, you know, compassion), why does this matter? This matters because stuff like this deters Jews who want to be part of the pro-Palestine movement because they are literally scared for their safety. I said this before, and I will say it again: Zionism was, historically speaking, a very unpopular opinion. It was only widespread antisemitic violence (you know, the Holocaust) that made Jews believe there was a necessity for a Jewish state. Honestly, it wasn’t until the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting that I supported it the abstract idea too.
I grew up in New York City, I am a liberal Jew, and I believe in the rights of marginalized and oppressed people to self-determine worldwide. Growing up, I also fit the profile of what many scholars describe as the self hating Jew, because I believed that, in order to justify myself in American liberal society, I had to hate Israel, and I had to be anti-Zionist by default, even if I didn’t always understand what ‘Zionism’ meant in abstract. Well, I am 27 years old now with two masters degrees in history, and here is what Zionism means to me: I hate the Israeli government. They do not speak for me. But I am not anti-Zionist. I believe in the necessity for a Jewish state — a state where all Jews are welcome, regardless of their background, regardless of their nationality.
There needs to be a place where Jews, an ethnic minority who are unwelcome in nearly every state in the world, have a place where they are free from persecution — a place where they feel protected. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with that place being the place where Jews are ethnically indigenous to. Because believe it or not, whether it is inconvenient, Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel. I’ve addressed this in this post.
With that said, that doesn’t mean you can kick the Palestinian people out. They are also indigenous to that land, which is addressed in the same post, if you don’t trust me.
What is incredible to me is that Zionism is defined, by the Oxford English Dixtionary, as “A movement [that called originally for] the reestablishment of a Jewish nationhood in Palestine, and [since 1948] the development of the State of Israel.” Whether we agree with this or not, there were early disagreements about the location of a ‘Jewish state,’ and some, like Maurice de Hirsch, believed it ought to be located in South America, for example. Others believed it should be located in Africa. The point is that the original plans for the Jewish state were about safety. The plan changed because Jews wanted to return to their homeland, the largest project of decolonization and indigenous reclamation ever to be undertaken by an indigenous group. Whether you want to hear that or not, it is true. Read a book or two. Then you might know what I mean.
When people say this is a complicated issue, they aren’t being facetious. They aren’t trying to obfuscate the point. They often aren’t even trying to defend the Israeli government, because I certainly am not — I think they are abhorrent. But there is no future in the Middle East if the Israelis and Palestinians don’t form a state that has an equal right of return and recognizes both of their indigenousness, and that will never happen if people can’t stop throwing vitriolic rhetoric around. Is the Israeli Government bad? Yes. Are Israeli citizens bad? Largely, no. They want to defend their families, and they want to defend their people. This is basically the same as the fact that Palestinian people aren’t bad, though Hamas often is. And for the love of god, stop defending terrorist organizations. Just stop. They kill their own people for their own power and for their own benefit.
And yes, one more time, the Israeli government is so, so, so wrong. But god, think about your words, and think about how you are enabling Nazis. The rhetoric the left is using is hurting Jews. I am afraid to leave my house. I’m afraid to identify as Jewish on tumblr. I’m afraid for my family, afraid for my friends. People I know are afraid for me.
It’s 2021. I am not my great uncle. I cried for him, but I shouldn’t have to die like him.
Words have consequences. Language has consequences. And genuinely, I do not think everyone is a bad person, so think about what you are putting into the world, because you’d be surprised how often you are doing a Nazi a favor or two.
Is that really what you want? To do a Nazi a favor or two? I don’t think that you do. I hope you don’t, at least.
That’s all. You know, five thousand words later. But uh, think a little. Please.
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how is asking P to be educate on Palestine and not support Gal's zionist ass bullying?
so, first of all, he's a 46 year old man who went to school to study acting and he is an actor, not a world leader. he is incapable of solving world crises completely on his own. you don't know him, i don't know him.
what i do know is that his country is currently going through a crises as well. what i do know is that this man seems to never stop working. logically, he probably logged in, saw something she tweeted that seemed to be from her heart and liked it without really thinking twice about it. do you know how many times i've done that? shit fucking happens.
please show me where exactly this man explicitly said, 'you know what? Gal's right, fuq Palestine and fuq u too.'
the reality is that he's a busy person who is trying to do his job. the reality is that his already has to be super careful on social media for work concerns and safety concerns because the tide of what's "right" and what's "acceptable" can turn so quickly.
sending him resources and links when the event happened is one thing, he has shown that he listens and he learns. but to continuously harass him and his family members, tell him that he's the reason his mother died or that if she were still alive she would disown him, to continuously talk shit about how you're a fan of his and then be ready to tell him what a shitty fucking human being he is the moment he steps on twitter is uh.... that's fucking bullying. that's fucking bullshit.
at the end of the day, he's a 46 year GROWN ASS MAN who doesn't owe you a goddamn thing. he doesn't owe you an explanation. he doesn't owe you a fucking apology.
and if you're going to throw around words like parasocial and talk mad shit on who takes them too seriously, learn just what the fuck that means. i'm not babying him, what i'm saying is that people are taking this shit too far and for fucking what? for what? he's still a human at the end of the day and humans fuck up. they make mistakes. they also have lives and they're busy and they don't have time to sit here and defend themselves against strangers on the internet telling them what horrible cunts they are.
taking a parasocial relationship too seriously is harassing the person in question like this. taking a parasocial relationship too seriously is like the person who broke into Taylor Swift's house and slept in her bed. taking a parasocial relationship too seriously is like the man who posted my home address online because i spoke up about my sexual assault and he didn't like that because he's been sending me rape and death threats for three years and he thought i was pointing fingers.
get off anon and tell me what the fuck you're personally doing to help Palestine since you're so intent on protecting the continued harassment of a man who committed the cardinal sin of liking a post from a coworker.
focus on what you alone can do and educate your friends. research companies that fund these atrocities and stop giving them your money. call your politicians, it's free and they are legally required to listen to you. call for the defunding of US police if you are a US citizen because, guess what, the US police train IDF soldiers. share resources.
and no matter how much somebody agrees with you on the big topic, you will turn them off from being somebody who stands by your side by treating them like shit on the bottom of your shoe for not already being toe to toe, elbow to elbow with you.
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The anon talking about Islamic terrorism was rather clearly implying groups such as Hamas. You then respond “what terrorism?” and bring up Nelson Mandela. Please understand some of us agree with you about Israeli war crimes, about wanting freedom for Palestinian civilians, etc. But we feel we can’t engage with you because you are coy about what you mean — do you think groups such as Hamas, who have called just a few weeks ago for the beheading of Jewish civilians, will be remembered years from now as freedom fighters, and that for you would be the morally correct position to take? I have seen you call their rockets ‘resistance rockets’, those same rockets whose intent, if not impact, is specifically to target and kill Jewish civilians — you think those are the ‘resistance’? It’s not that many of us disagree with you on the Israeli gov, or Israel as a state. We are concerned you’re not consistent in your views when you seem to excuse groups like Hamas’s terrorism or else play coy about any terrorist or antisemitic intent in the first place (“what terrorism? Nelson Mandela was classed as a terrorist”, etc). Which way is it? Can’t all bad things, all targeting of innocent civilians based on hatred, be bad?
So you do think Hamas are the resistance. But do you think that makes what they advocate for correct? You are lying if you think their only goal (or even their main one tbf) is the freedom of Palestinians and not the killing of Jews. Genuinely, I think there is a whole aspect of this that you are either deliberately trying not to comment on or else actively pretending is not there. You can’t be so blind to what Hamas leaders have said or encouraged.
I have to say that this was a disappointing ask, because even before the recent heightened ethnic cleansing effort by Israel, I was talking about propaganda. I posted a video where a ruling class agent openly talks about how they literally create stories, feed to the AP etc, get books written on the topic, the authors of which go on to become influential academics & poets and other cultural features so even if we don't absorb this information from political media, we will absorb it from the random fiction book or poetry we read. As well as I mentioned several instances of ridiculously sensational claims we repeat like robots without realizing that the oppressor class is producing them. And everything you've stated in this ask about Hamas is a product of all that, Israel specifically calls it hasbara. So hopefully you're a new follower, read selectively or are young- because otherwise, it's disappointing.
I also just want to inform you that I use to have the 'Hamas is a terrorist' position for a longtime, I had to struggle against my common notions to arrive at my current position. So I am not blind to Hamas, I believe that I am now more informed.
Yes Hamas is resistance. Because it formed in response to oppression. Hamas is armed civilian resistance. I don't how to make that any clearer. It formed in first intifada in 87'. Yes it is resistance rockets in the face of Israeli slaughter. And Hamas targets Israeli military targets, not civilians. Unlike Israel and IOF which only & exclusively targets civilians with their precision rocket technology under the lie of 'Hamas had a base there' because their goal is literally ethnic cleansing. Israel conducts census for this purpose. They know exactly the population of Palestinians: age, how many children in each family, who lives where, their phone numbers! Israel literally can kill no one even if they choose to bomb because they have technology that advanced & the census. And yet, they choose not to. Because the aim is ethnic cleansing. Hamas makes kitchen rocket from Israel's ethnic cleansing wreckage. The contrast between civilian causalities on both side speak to this fact. This will continue to happen regardless of whether Hamas exists or not. Hamas does not exist in the west bank, and yet Israel continues. Hamas did not exist before 87' and yet, Israel continued. Arabs have always been considered terrorist, as I stated already this was beginning to be the perception when the Arab revolts happened to the Zionist terrorism of the 1920s (might I add, terrorism as we associate with middle east was brought to the region by Zionist bombers but I digress).
Abu Obeida is the official spokesperson of Hamas, so I wouldn't believe nypost first of all, nor Fathi Hammad to represent Hamas' position re your 'behead jews' claim or whomever else made that claim. Hamas original charter was antisemitic, written in 87' during a horrible continued onslaught by Israel- nonetheless not justifiable. The original founders were all assassinated by Israel. And Hamas current character is not that of its foundation given the 30 years that have passed & that the leadership is now completely different, plus many other things that happened between other factions of resistance that have driven a new position. The new charter can be found here.
Point in mentioning Mandela was this: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Mandela, ANC and the armed resistance uMkhonto we Sizwe was considered terrorist in consciousness of most people at that time. They were considered to be hell bent on destroying the white people, the Afrikaners, targeting civilians. All of this rhetoric was used to uphold the apartheid.
Today, all liberals come to correctly believe that they were not terrorist, and targeted state apparatus- because this became clear after apartheid ended even though this info was availble before too for anyone who cared to understand. But these same people would have believed at the time that they were killing civilians, as the propaganda said so at the time. These same people today believe Hamas targets civilians. How can you have this hindsight and not understand that its the same thing happening today. Make it make sense!!!!
Anyway to summarize, I have my own opinions about Hamas, but I don't mention them as they're irrelevant since a) national liberation is to be supported no matter who is engaging in it b) I am not the Gazan people with my life being a sentence of death by apartheid Israel.
I think position you have comes from a far too narrow of an analysis, focusing only on the IOF and Hamas. Focusing only on right or wrong, focusing on both players as if they are equal and comes from a lack of understanding of the sheer brutality of colonialism. I would suggest you read this: On Violence.
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Hi, be careful what information you post on the conflict as it’s not as one sided as you’re making it out to be. Israel is being attacked as well. I’m not saying everything Israel is doing is correct, by no means is that true. But innocent people are getting hurt on both sides and that’s not okay. A lot of the posts I’ve seen have just been thinly valid antisemitism, so be careful the ones you reblog as well. You can be anti Israel without being vitriolic to the innocent people who live there. Palestine is not as innocent as everyone claims they are, but they don’t deserve to be kicked out of there homes either. Israel is complicated but innocents don’t deserve to be killed either. A lot of people post about Palestine blindly, I just encourage you to look into both sides a bit more and not make it out to be a situation with one right answer. If it was then this problem would have been solved a long time ago.
~ A Very Stressed American Jew
blah blah blah both sides blah blah blah Palestine isn’t innocent blah blah.
For the stuff about anti-semitism: yeah I agree. People can be posting things that are anti Semitic while pretending to be anti-Israel. I’ve reblogged stuff abt that fact, too. And I always try to make sure what I’m reblogging is talking abt Israel’s cruelty and doesn’t mention anything anti-Semitic. If you see something that I’ve reblogged and you feel it’s anti-Semitic, then let me know.
Second of all: the only 2 sides there are is the oppressor and the oppressed. Palestinians are the fucking oppressed, and I say this as a Palestinian (and an American!) If you want to see how “complicated” this problem is then go onto Twitter and watch the videos Palestinians are sharing and THEN tell me we aren’t innocent. Like bro, throwing rocks or rockets in SELF DEFENSE is 1000000% justified and something I will always defend. Don’t go to Israeli media (which, anyway, doesn’t mind showing you the gang beat-ups of Palestinians lol)
Also, while you are saying there are Israeli citizens that are innocent (which yes, 100% true) you seem to ignore the Israeli citizens out in the streets calling for lynching of Palestinians, entering homes to kill fathers in front of their children, raping the women, forcing themselves into Palestinian homes, and calling for the death of all Arabs, all with the help of the IDF and police. Don’t fucking tell me the citizens are all innocent, many of them are part of this and have been for generations. They are just as complicit as their government in this. I don’t care if they were brainwashed into all the hate they feel, they still are out there adding more fire to the problems. (And NO, I am not referring to IDF soldiers who are forced into duty in this).
The US has brainwashed you into thinking that Palestinians are horrible, that there are two equal sides, that it is a very complicated mind-boggling situation that can’t be solved! That’s all false. I implore you to look at Palestinan sources, both videos, pictures and websites like decolonizepalestine dot com. You already have some awareness of the reality from your ask, but you telling me there’s “both sides” is telling me you have some more work to do. This has been a 73 year old war. Simple. Israel, when attacked, has the Iron Dome, their citizens have bomb shelters, they have a million other protections Palestinians don’t. Palestinians, when attacked, have none of that. They suffer. They die. They get raped. We always pay the larger cost in whatever rocket fire is expelled. Netanyahu said he will bomb Gaza until there is silence. Yeah, that totally sounds like a complicated situation!
No. That simply won’t do. And if you do want to do your readings, do not read Zionist powered publications like the New York Times and the New York post and the like. I repeat that I agree that there is a lot of anti-Semitism in anti-Israel posts, but none of my posts have reflected that, and if they have let me know and I will take them down. This isn’t a religious matter and I understand that, there are Palestinian Jewish ppl as well! They are also suffering under this racist colonial rule
But Palestinians are innocent. We are. We one MILLION percent are. Just because we are fighting back after generations of colonialism, abuse, murder and rape doesn’t make us any less innocent. It makes us fucking fighters for our rights, because a lot of people don’t give a fuck about us and haven’t for 7 decades. Don’t forget that Israel is the instigator of the violence, all the way from 1948. Israel is being attacked because we’re fed up, and it’s not like we’re making much damage anyway, so don’t try to make it out to be that there are both sides that are equal here. Because that isn’t true.
#tala gets asks#anon#palestine tag#plus theres a lot of islamophobia in both pro israel posts & israeli propaganda#also read articles from previous idf soldiers that are now palestinian activits#activists* i have a few if u want them#and also i have BEEN to palestine a handful of times#ive BEEN to jerusalem#ive seen some of this crap with my own eyes#so dont u dare come here and tell me we arent innocent#we are#i have family in the middle of this conflict rn#my aunt who is a doctor is sheikh jarrah who is seeing all this horror#i know how one sided it is#do u?#free. palestine.
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