#alterhuman discourse

[drag-me-kicking-and-screaming]

clears throat ahem. ahem ahem. IF YOU ARE ANTI ENDO. STOP. FUCKING. USING. THE. TERM. ALTERHUMAN. AND. ALTERHUMAN. TAGS.

THIS IS /SRS.

Pulls down whiteboard with red strings and frantic push pinned images. Alterhuman was coined with endogenic systems in mind. ALL origins of plurality are included in the definition of Alterhuman (By this I mean nonhuman alters being allowed to consider themselves alterhuman if they wish) so if you're going to be an ALTERHUMAN and be VICIOUSLY anti-endo ESPECIALLY when you're a singlet than stop. fucking using the term. it wasn't made for you hateful bigots. There are other terms for you. Stop bullying endogenic systems who are using terms made for them.

Source (this is the coining post for the term alterhuman. It specifically mentions plural, median, and walk in identities; if you don't believe me, here's a link to the coiner of alterhuman being explicitly pro endo; and here's a link to the coiner saying this account belongs to them.)

[dyspunktional-leviathan]

If your worldview allows the existence and validity of doubles, it does allow the same for factkin.

(This post is pro doubles and factkin)

[words-of-wolf]

Watching the current tangentially-intersex-related discourse from the perspective of a person who is intersex and just. Agh.

Perisex people, please stop being aggressive dicks on "behalf" of intersex folks. It's not cool, especially when you're clearly reading things in bad faith right from the start.

There's some folks out there absolutely determined to piss on the poor today and it's just. Just. Stop. oTL

Not planning to get involved here beyond expressing my severe, exhausted disapproval of everyone who is deciding to be a twat about this.

[satansrequiem]

Kff are valid, actually. Y'all need to stop being fucking cops. We are a fictionkin and a kff. Y'all need to stop being bigots.

[hazeofalterhumans]

OK LITERALLY THO

I saw that post abt the cockroach headmate being posted around as a joke, even in explicitly alterhuman spaces and people were acting like this. I couldnt believe my eyes. Thank fuck someone finally said this.

Like yeah, the way the guy went about trying to introduce others to his cockroach headmate wife could've used a lot of work and he shouldn't have dated others when he knew he'd just be thinking abt his cockroach headmate wife the whole time, but the basis of which people were judging him on was the fact that it was "cringe/funny" and didnt touch on any of the valid points that could be made

honestly we can't say that tumblr, as a website, embraces cringe, until the social consensus on the guy in love with his cockroach headmate isn't "this is so mockable" and is instead "wow it sucks that everyone in this dude's life keeps ditching him for being in love with his cockroach headmate, something that is both harmless and considered extremely cringey"

this may seem like a weird hill to die on but i will note im not even dying on this hill specifically, it's that it is, broadly, giving this site's inhabitants too much credit to say the social culture "embraces cringe" or that cringe is dead on here, when every time someone does something truly weird (not just, like, having a rainbow mullet or enjoying minecraft fansongs) on the internet and it takes off, tumblr is literally just as full of people pointing and laughing as any other website. sometimes people wanna fuck planes or get surgery to look more like a meerkat or they share a brain with 3 aliens from a planet that also exists in their head, get over it already...

[mewos-laptop]

"Guyysss... therians don't ACTUALLY think we're animals haha..." SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP

At this point I prefer the company of those who are straight up physically nonhuman and are PROUD AND OPEN ABOUT THAT FACT, instead of YOU fuckers who tip-toe around your identity to make OTHER PEOPLE more comfortable.

GET MAD. BE ANIMALISTIC. WEAR A COLLAR. BARK AT PEOPLE WHO PISS YOU OFF. WEAR GEAR. DON'T WEAR GEAR. FIND YOUR FELLOW CREATURES. LEARN ABOUT THE START OF OUR COMMUNITY.

BE UNAPOLOGETICALLY SCARY AND INTIMIDATING TO NORMIES.

[ternwithatmblr]

gonna be real on main for a sec

I fucking HATE AI. Viscerally.

Seriously it used to not be that bad but the last year or two? Infuriating. I GET ACCUSED OF BEING AI ALL THE TIME.

My papers for university get flagged as AI generated and automatically graded as a zero. My online posts on other websites get comments saying stuff like “this is ai generated” or “you forgot an em dash”. Like IM SORRY I CAN WRITE AT MY AGE LEVEL WHEN I CHOOSE TO. SORRY I KNOW HOW TO USE AN EM DASH. MY BAD. LEMME JUST HAVE EVERY SENTENCE BE A RUN ON. LEMME NOT CAPITALIZE ANYTHING.

I had to go to my criminal law professor and show him my printed, highlighted, annotated references for my paper. I had to turn track changes on in Word just to prove I wrote my own papers. Online I get accused of being AI for no other reason than commenting on a post with proper grammar and spelling. I WILL THROW MYSELF OFF A CLIFF ISTG.

My Instagram account that I regularly post and comment on has been flagged as a bot and temp banned. TWICE.

WHY DON’T I PASS THE TURING TEST???!!!!

[xxpunkbovidxx]

Here's a loud fucking reminder for those of you in the back about being transspecies

Being transspecies is no more about transition than being transgender

Yes it can be a heavy part of it but not all transspecies individuals will even want to transition

And then there's the topic of what's considered transitioning

If you have been in any transgender spaces then you may have heard the term called "social transitioning" (yes, transgender spaces includes nonbinary spaces, being nonbinary is trans)

Social transitioning tends to include things such as: changing your name, changing your pronouns, using a different bathroom (if applicable), cutting your hair, wearing different clothes, and utilizing trans gear such as packers, tucking kits, binders, prosthetic breasts, etc.

Why did I bring this up? Well, I brought this up because I've seen other beings say that what fellow transspecies beings were posting wasn't transitioning, I think this completely disproves that.

The examples they provided that apparently "weren't transitioning" were: beings wearing tails, ears, paw shoes, and other animal or nonhuman related gear. This is clearly a form of social transitioning in a transspecies way.

[BIG FUCKING WARNING: I will not tolerate any bullshit or bullying in my comments, also before you comment, transspecies is not and never has been a radqueer term.]

[souperstition]

tumblr therians who hate tiktok !!!!!

i dislike tiktok . it's weird and i think any platform with short form content is bound to piss people off

however, i personally would like to say a few things !!!!! no that u have to hear me out lol

ALSO PSA THIS IS MOSTLY ABOUT YOUNGER THERIANS (like under 16)

anyway plsss keep in mind :

therians on tiktok are 80% children (from like 8-14) (have you ever seen a child talk about something important to them? they scramble their words and make it very self centric!! they do not quite understand social media, information gathering, communities and safe spaces like us older people do) (my foster sister is 11 year old is a therian and she's still figuring out how to work with it) (also their whole lives have been spent living as human, unlike some of us older creatures who have had therianthropy under our belt for years)

i've also deleted tiktok! but instead, i literally watch those silly therian tiktok compilation videos on youtube. they're usually hand picked and recent! avoid the drama and watch fun little videos online !!!

also please remember some therians can be more connected to their humanity than you could be ! sure, they shouldn't claim every therian "is human", but if they're a child, children seem to apply "if this is my experience, then it's everyone's experience duhhh". if they're older with a bunch of experience in the community then go ahead n sick'em i condone that LOL

OKAY RANT OVER

sorry no one is gonna read this lol

i think we need to teach our tiny creatures before being like "RAWR U DONT EVEN KNOW HOW IT WORKS !!!!" they r little puppies guys

[dyspunktional-leviathan]

You cannot without hypocrisy say that with queer labels it’s everyone chooses what feels best for them and identity does not have to be about shared experience it’s about identity and then turn around and say that altbeing labels must be rigidly defined, that if your experience does not fit some rigid definition of a label (which with some of them I haven’t even seen the community remotely agree on) you must use another and not even dare to claim some similarity even if you also have experiences that do fit that definition, etc.

(This post is pro radical inclusion in queerness and altbeingness)

[interstellarsystem]

We're obviously pro-endo and have a lot of headmates who are endogenic, but we do have DID and a lot of trauma worked its way into our formation of our system. Which leaves us in a pretty weird spot in syscourse!

But one of the weirdest things we've noticed is... A lot of the anti endo mindset is completely anti recovery for CDD systems entirely, while claiming to protect them. Often there's the sort of ableist rhetoric that's all about "if you're not suffering, you're not disordered and therefore mocking us or fake".. Which is ridiculous to say the least!

We've seen claims of:

Systems are fake if they're happy they're a system, because if you're happy you're a system then you can't have been traumatised enough to get there.

Systems are fake if they love their headmates in any way, because plurality is a disorder.

Systems are fake if they post "too much" about being happy online, because being plural is a disorder and therefore suffering.

Systems are fake if they never show signs of suffering online.

Systems are fake if they're open about being a system IRL or sometimes at all, because it's a deeply shameful thing.

Systems are fake if they have less amnesia than full-on blackout amnesia, because it's in the DSM.

Systems are fake if they don't dissociate much, because it's in the name of the disorder and the DSM.

And we're here to say that's all plainly incorrect at best. It's also incredibly ableist, anti-recovery and downright harmful to CDD systems who learn they have this disorder, go online for support, and just see discourse and people getting fakeclaimed if they don't show of how much they're suffering online.

Systems can be happy that they're plural. Even if it came from trauma. Why? Well you can be happy that you're any way you are, regardless of how you got there, obviously. But there's also a crucial point here that CDDs and headmates often develop to protect people from trauma. Of course some systems would be glad that they're plural, in a lot of cases it's what literally saved their lives. This goes for the "systems can't love their headmates" thing too--plenty of systems are full of love for their headmates! Not only because they were there for them when it was needed, but because these are--depending on your view--entire people you live with, or parts of yourself. Why are you implying you have to hate that so viscerally to be real?

It's also a pretty well known thing that people tend to post their happier moments online, leading to this perception that they don't suffer. One, because that's how a lot of people work--their personal pages are public after all, and they don't want to be seen as constistently struggling. Two, it's downright dangerous to post in so much detail about your triggers, your trauma and abuse you're currently facing on the internet--even ignoring the fact that you need to be wary of your digital footprint, people can read these posts and use information against you. It's a choice many people make to not hand random people ammo on a silver plate.

Claiming that systems are fake if they're open about being plural in any space is simply ablesim. We've seen this take quite a few times, actually, and it never fails to be some of the most ridiculous ableism we've seen--it comes with a puritan "sweep it under the rug" mindset and the expectation that systems are ashamed of their plurality by default, or that it's simply too dangerous to share. While for a lot of people it is very dangerous to talk about their system so they simply keep that information to themselves, claiming every system should hide it for their entire lives and not expect to be received with kindness, compassion or accommodation is horrible.

As for the amnesia and dissociation... Therapy can help with these! You can actively go to therapy and get strategies to deal with the symptoms that come with a CDD without even going down the final fusion route! You can get it to a point where you have communication with your headmates, where you can switch on command, where you don't dissociate much at all.... You can work toward these goals with the right tools! Why does a system like us who's worked through years of therapy and years of working with ourselves within our own system suddenly get called fake once we start healing?

CDD systems should not have to fit what YOU think a true system should look like. They shouldn't have to suffer on show for you to believe them. They shouldn't have to hide all of themselves away in shame and never have their true selves known. They shouldn't have to pretend they're not recovering to be treated as real. They shouldn't have to feel like they'll be persecuted for simply being happy with who they are as people, or happy with how far they've come.

"Being a system isn't all fun and games" and I'm sure it's not for plenty of people. But do you think it's ok when a CDD system says they love themselves and think their system is fun? Or do you group them in with the endogenics who are "mocking [your] trauma"? Do you really care about people with CDDs at all in that case?

You can say "anti endos aren't ableist because endogenic plurality isn't a disorder" all you like--you're wrong about endogenics not being able to have CDDs by the way, but that's another post--but when you display so much ableist rhetoric toward your fellow CDD systems, I don't know how anyone can see you as "protecting" those with the disorders at all. You can't hide your hatred behind the guise of "protection" when you're harming your own community. You're not protecting us from anyone, you're trying to make us fit into a box full of spikes. It was never about protecting trauma survivors, it was about your personal hatred for others. We shouldn't have to suffer for you.

[satansrequiem]

“doubles don't exist even for fictionkins-”

i want to say a very inappropriate sentence. but for the sake of me being a minor, i will just ask you to shut your ass ignorant mouth.

[i want to say a very inappropriate sentence. but for the sake of me being a minor, i will just ask you to shut your ass ignorant mouth.].

- Cotard.

[boycreature12]

who cares if physical nonhumans are delusional? their mental health isnt your responsibility. its also not your responsibility to reality check them without their consent. not to mention the majority of delusional physical nonhumans i see arent negatively impacted by their identity. and if they are? still not your responsibility. leave people alone.

[edit: this post wasnt intended to take away discussion from people who do want to discuss and receive help from beings online about their experiences with delusion and how it negatively impacts them. thats my bad, i was centered on how i feel about my experience as someone who doesnt like that and i failed to consider other experiences. sorry for the miscommunication everyone.]

[wulfbones]

This might be a hot take, but animal packers are not bad. Being trans-species is not bad. You may not understand it, but who are you to tell someone how they can and can't identify?

Do not correlate trans-species creatures and animal packer users with zoophiles. There is a BIG difference.

[mewos-laptop]

Physical therians are valid,

Chosen therians are valid,

Mentally ill therians are valid,

Delusional therians are valid,

Traumatized therians are valid,

And all of you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP about them before I start making blocklists of your pathetic asses.

[aestherians]

*sigh* Look, we don't choose our past lives. We don't choose our attachments. But if you happen to have some kind of strong connection to a Nazi officer who murdered people in our present world, whose descendants and relatives are still alive and hurting, and whose suffering is continuously downplayed, or even denied, to this day - I think the least you can do is treat it with the appropriate somberness.

There's a difference between having an attachment to a genocidal murderer from a source of fiction and having an attachment to one from this world, and the difference is that there are millions of people presently around you who are still reeling from the effects of our present-world genocidal murderers. When you downplay or gloss over the Holocaust, you are downplaying and glossing over the sufferring of millions of Jewish, Romani, disabled, and queer people who were murdered in literal assembly-line death factories.

Having a past life as a nazi officer is morally neutral. You didn't choose that. But making cutesy heart edits of said officer and going "omg he's so me" while ignoring the piles of bodies he left in his wake is, speaking politely, really fucking shitty. At best it's ignorant and at worst it's perpetuating the minimization and denial of Jewish suffering under the Nazi regime.