#always blame jason

[everwalldigan]

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Jason had been successful in saving Sheila from the joker and still died as a result of it.

Would he have finally been recognised for the true reason of his death? Would he have been hailed as the tragic heroic martyr he was, the one whose death was 100% preventable had he had a stronger support system? Would he have had foundations to support young heroes built in his name instead of being a vague boogeyman cautionary tale that mentors bring up to warn their young heroes against disobedience and acting rashly? I don’t think anyone could even think of saying half of the horrible shit they’ve said about Jason’s death if they had the undeniable proof right in front of them that someone was saved from death as a direct result of his “reckless” actions.

How would his mother react to the son she never knew dying to save her? Loving her despite never really knowing her? Would she even be able to live with that guilt? Would she snap and kill the joker herself no matter the consequences? Would the hero community still be able to play into the victim blaming narrative for Jason’s death when they have the literal person he died saving, living among them?

And I wonder what that would change in the training of the robins after him. Would their training have more emphasis on community and support systems than more extensive training because it would be “the last Robin died because to save his mother and if he just had ONE person to answer when he reached out for help, he would still be alive” Instead of “the last Robin died because he wasn’t good enough”?

So much in the in universe rhetoric after Jason’s death would be completely changed if there was a direct witness immediately shutting down the “he was angry, arrogant and rash, bit off more than he can chew and went after the joker by himself and that’s what got him killed” shit they were pushing out to justify this completely preventable death of a child who just wanted to do what vowed to do when he took up the mantle. Save other people at the expense of his own safety.

[erinwantstowrite]

jason is lashing out at bruce because he can't come to terms with his mother being the reason for his (their) death. she died in the warehouse too and when jason came back he latched all that anger onto the one parent figure he had left even though a part of him knows it wasn't bruce's fault, but sheila's. he's angry at sheila. he's angry at sheila. but she died and placing that anger at a dead woman has nothing to hold on to so it's just bruce. which if it was written better would mean that jason was acting out against a parent he knows cares about him and he feels safe with, and would be recognized in the story. he wants to die but he's scared to do it alone so he's being reckless and making bruce watch him and be there. he wants to die but he wants bruce to be there with him so he's not alone. because he died knowing bruce wouldn't make it. and he's angry at sheila for being the parent that was there. the one that didn't love him. if sheila hadn't sold him up to the joker, bruce would have met up with jason. it's sheila and joker's fault.

[freddyloyd]

a couple of common misconceptions i've seen about a Death in the Family.

(These are purely based on the og storyline, I can't speak on any adaptations or retcons)

-"Jason and Shiva canonically look enough alike for Jason to suspect she's his mother, even Bruce agreed it was possible"

Jason's suspicion of Shiva had nothing to do with looks. Jason had found his birth certificate, on it was his real mother's name, but everything except the first letter was scribbled out. So Jason found all the female names in his dad's addresses that started with S.

Bruce was initially skeptical of Jason's reasoning

However, when he met Sheila for the first time, he immediately knew she was Jason's mother due to their resemblance.

-"Jason didn't die because he disobeyed orders, he died because his mother betrayed him"

It's both actually, Sheila for sure got him killed, but Batman did very much tell him not to go into the warehouse, he actually begged him to stay put.

and the very next page:

I get why people don't like hearing it, but it's objectively what happened.

-"Shelia hated Jason/felt no remorse for betraying him"

She isn't winning Mother of Year by any means, but she did feel some remorse.

And after the Joker betrayed her, instead of fleeing herself like Jason told her to, she tried to help Jason escape too.

And in her last moments, she praised Jason, saying he was a good kid who deserved better than her.

-"Batman wanted to kill the Joker but Superman stopped him!"

This one's not true at all. Batman was pretty set on killing the Joker, and Superman did say he would stop him if he tried. But by the time the confrontation between Batman and the Joker happened, Superman was busy disposing toxic gas somewhere safe.

(Supes even says "He's all yours")

The fight between Batman and the Joker ended when the helicopter they were on started crashing. Batman bailed hoping the crash would kill the Joker, obviously that's not what happened. Superman was not there and did nothing substantial to stop him.

It's also worth mentioning Bruce gave the Joker the option to surrender earlier in the issue.

+ I am going to hold off on commenting on this scene:

Until I read NT #55, but a lot of talk I've seen about it seems a little disingenuous to me.

[kittykatninja321]

can I be a hater for a second whenever I see the fic trope of “Talia purposely told Jason about Tim to get Jason to attack him” I’m like guys I’m gonna be real with you I don’t think Talia would care about that little boy at all

[rmbunnie]

sometimes i remember the three issue Jason miniseries of Batman and Robin (2009) by Judd Winick and laugh. The guy got one last chance to write Jason before n52 and went "I just HAVE to make Jason wish out loud he was getting strip searched manual-style by the team of furries in this one." what the fuck.

[brucie-baby]

anyways steph is doomed by the narrative, jason is haunting the narrative and bruce is narrating the narrative. does this make sense.

[televisionlassie]

Me watching people pretend Wally west (and sometimes Roy)’s children don’t exist so that they can be Dick/Jason’s boyfriend

[ramunnae]

final GTLive no one speak to me I'm on the verge of tears already

[dukeofthomas]

Not "Robin Jason was just an angry, violent, aggressive brat", not "Robin Jason was a perfect, innocent, complete sunshine child" but a secret third thing (Robin Jason was a child who'd suffered abuse and trauma his whole life and never got the proper tools to heal from it; he was happy and silly, and he got angry and could be difficult)

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

“Jason should get over being upset about his death” - he has, he wasn’t angry at Bruce or the world because they failed him and he ended up dying, which he made clear plain as day and that’s about the most reasonable a person who went through what he went through could be

anyway I don’t think these people realize how gory being bludgeoned to near death is, and maybe it's because of the limitations of the medium that scene was presented in

[twistpixel]

Does anybody else cherish that issue where after Jason died Bruce took on the impossible case of a missing boy because he had to. Even when it was impossible. And then he did. World when every kid Bruce saved was saving Jason by proxy but he wouldn't admit to anyone that he lost anything

[hazellvsq]

something about how jason and piper make leo the best version of himself. the closest he comes to finding peace. and then frank and hazel bring out the worst and most self-sabotaging parts of him. and then jason and piper try to save him and hazel and frank help him die. 

[soulless-bex]

the thing about Jason Todd is that the DC writers practically made his entire character be about how he died and came back, the trauma, the consequences, ect, ect, ect.

and then they kill all the other members of the batfam without giving them the same or similar consequences, making him somewhat pointless. they refuse to make him move on but also downplay his death, his traumas, and everything he went through because of it by killing and bringing back just about every character in the universe.

and bear with me, i’m not fully up to date with everything within the fandom (and honestly who is at this point, with all the different runs/continuities/red-cons/universes), but it’s honestly kind of heartbreaking for his entire character to be defined by something that has been rendered so meaningless

[daisybell-on-a-carousel]

Jason declaring he's Robin and that Robin gives him magic in the same panel where he says being Robin saw Dick to a ripe age is going to me make me ill

[gyubby99]

@disneyanddisneyships Jason count your days

[gece-misin-nesin]

Most of the songs in Electra Heart are incredibly Jason Todd coded(except certain lines being abt romantic/sexual relationships, change those slightly and voila). No I won't elaborate because you know I'm right.