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Cis genderqueer culture is hating when people say "cis people" to refer exclusively to aptobinary cis people who have never done any self exploration and/or are transphobic to some degree. Yes I know I am part of a small minority but REMEMBER ME REMEMBER MEEE think of cistrans people and think of queerly cis people please please please please. Say transphobes if you mean transphobes. "Cis people will never understand us" TRANSPHOBES will never understand you. "Cis people won't take us seriously" TRANSPHOBES will never take you seriously. "Cis people be like [annoying thing that's subtly transphobic]" COVERT TRANSPHOBES be like. IGNORANT cis people be like.

REAL! It's like ... Cistrans people aren't talked about enough.

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New gender term for me: Infracis

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Infracis is a identity for cisness that is queer in its cisness. It subverts traditional ideas of what 'cis' means, and/or it is being cis in such a way that identifying as cis, or as your AGAB/ASAB, is more abnormal or unexpected than identifying as trans would be.

Some reasons that someone would identify as infracis:

1. They are intersex and identify with intergender, and/or with "intersex" as their gender identity, and thus consider themselves cisgender. Because this is not the traditional image of an aptobinary, perisex cis person, they would be infracis

2. They are multigender and consider themselves at least partially cis, but since cisness usually refers to aptobinary cis people, they are infracis

3. They are nonbinary and don't want to transition, so they feel they relate more to cisness, but because they are nonbinary it is expected that they would identify with trans, and not cis, so they would be infracis

4. They identify with an identity that is close to their AGAB or aligned with it, but isn't exactly it (like an AMAB xenoboy).

5. They are transgender and cissexual, cisgender and transsexual, or any other cis-trans combo that makes their cisness queer, so they're infracis

6. They're gender non-conforming and their cisness is constantly called into question because of the way they subvert it.

Or any other queer experience with gender and sex that makes one feel like they're cis in a nonconformant way, or subverting cisness. I'm multigender (aporagender + girl), isocis, and a label collector. I've joked that I'm "the least cisgender cis person" and I feel like my cisness is both subversive to traditional cisness because of my queer gender identity, and queer in its cisness because most people would assume I'm under the trans umbrella or just fully iso, because how genderqueer I am doesn't usually fit the idea of what a cis person is.

Etymology: Infra- meaning "below" "beneath" or "under" and cis from "cisgender," meaning "identifying with one's assigned gender at birth." The prefix "Infra-" was chosen for a few reasons. First, because of the subversion aspect of infracis. Second, because in the color spectrum, infra-red is a shade of red that's just outside of the visible light spectrum, so it both explains the way infracis transcends and goes beyond traditional cisness, as well as paying homage to the relative invisibility of infracis people's inherently queer cisness.

Tagging @cisqueer-archive because you'll like this one and @genderstarbucks because you wanted to see what I would make

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News flash I'm still upset about stuff that happened nearly a month ago (the Genderfluid People Are/Aren't Always Inherently Trans bullshit)

I don't actually have a problem with "[x nonbinary identity] is trans!" posts because they're usually positioned in opposition to exclusion. They're made to validate nonbinary people of that identity who feel represented by the trans label and want to be in that community, but are often forced out by (apto)binary trans people and sometimes even by (aptobinary) cis people who don't understand the trans label as an umbrella instead of just for MTF and FTM people. That's fine. Those posts aren't directly attacking people like me, who don't identify as trans despite identifying with those identities. Even if they say stuff that doesn't leave room for us, they're still being done in good faith and just not thinking of us so whatever. That doesn't bother me a lot.

What bothered me a month ago? Was that the quote was specifically one that was validating self-exclusion. Validating genderfluid people who didn't identify as trans, for whatever reason, while including genderfluid people that did identify as trans under trans. "Not all genderfluid people are trans" is not a take that's meant to invalidate trans genderfluid people. It is not making them less trans. The only possible interpretation of such a line is "some genderfluid people do not identify as trans, and I respect their identity as Not Trans" and the transmultiphobe I had beefed with over that was explicitly saying that every single genderfluid person is trans even if they do not identify as trans. Even if they identify as specifically being transn't/not trans. That's not a post that's meant to validate anybody's identity. That's only meant to upset genderfluid and other genderqueer people who don't identify as trans and may specifically identify as not trans. There's literally no good faith reading of their post that wouldn't be a massive stretch of the imagination, especially when their response to me only doubled down on their transmultiphobia since they:

- degendered me and stripped me of my aporinity and isogender status because I also identified as a cis girl, and specifically contrasted me being a cis woman with them being nonbinary as if I'm not nonbinary myself and probably ten times closer to being genderfluid than they are since I share the multigender community with genderfluid people. Also tagged it "cis people shut the fuck up challenge" to continue othering me from the nonbinary community because I don't ID as trans.

- said I came onto their post saying that trans people were trans, ignoring that their post was SPECIFICALLY about people that identified as not trans and no one else

- went onto disrespect self identification by saying that they won't force every genderfluid person to self identify as trans they just won't respect that identity because "well ackshually they are trans"

- Honestly their whole use of "self-identified" is in the same way transphobes use it to imply trans men and women aren't as much of men and women as cis men and cis women. I'm a "self identified" cis woman but since I don't exclusively identify with my AGAB I'm not actually cis, I'm trans. But they can't say that since it'll prove my point so they ignored the part of me that wasn't JUST a cis woman. They won't force all genderfluid/nonbinary people to "self-identify" as trans, but they *are* trans. What's the difference between this, and saying trans men are "self identified men but they're actually women" or saying you won't force trans women to self identify as men, but you still think they categorically are? The latter two are transphobic, and the former two are exorsexist and transmultiphobic.

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Assuming the quote was originally meant to be a hypothetical where the guy isn't even aromantic, who cares

Who cares if some random guy who's alloallo, monogendered, an aptobinary cis man, mono-heterose, and monogamous wants to "gain access" to the queer community. You think he's a spy? That we have secrets he's gonna tell? He's gonna discover the gay agenda? Please.

These people made up a guy to get mad at and couldn't even pick a guy who'd done anything wrong. Aromantic or pretending to be aro, he's just chilling. He's participating in the community, so what? He's not hurting anybody. This hypothetical man gained access to the community but they haven't even expanded on what he's gonna do with that access other than wave a little green white gray and black flag around and be happy

“what if a heterosexual cisgender man said he was aro just to get access to the queer community” what if

you just made up a guy to get mad at. i get it you hate alloaros and think theyre weird and are using the word “man” to get everyone to think some outside force is invading your pure lgbt community but like. really. if some mlw aromantic man wants to share his community with me then great whatever i dont care.

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Cisbinary: a conformant term describing someone who is cis* (cisgender/cissex/cisvestic/cismodal) experiencing a binary gender (aptobinary/xorgender).

Inclusive of cisqueer (neocis, cis femache), neobinary (bonusbinary, ambinary/mesobinary, yesbinary), and AGAB nonconforming (ANC) people (plus more).

Counterpart: transbinary.

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poll time again besties. May have done this before but I forgot so. This one will address claims that the bi lesbian label was made by TERFs or we harm trans and nonbinary people.

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Okay since recent events on main happened here's something to go with infracis (and other infra-terms I want to coin):

Infraphobia or Inframisia (n):

The discrimination against people who use an infra- identity (ex: infracis). Infraphobia typically manifests in disregarding the person's infra- identity and trying to push them under a different term (ex: trying to convince an infracis person that they are trans or isogender, not cis), or in disregarding the person's queerness and unique relationship with their infra- identity in favor of viewing them as a normative person, weaponizing their infra- identity to erase the rest of them (ex: ignoring an infracis person's genderqueer identity because they're cis, treating them like they're aptobinary, perisex, and cisgender instead of being cisgender in an inherently queer way).

Infraphobia is not just discrimination against the infra- identity. Infraphobia directed at infracis people, for example, isn't cisphobia or discrimination against someone for being cis. It is specifically the discrimination against someone for being that identity in a non-normative way, where people who identify with it in a normative way do not experience that discrimination. Again on the infracis example, infracis people are discriminated against for their cis identity in a way that cis people who identify with cis in a normative way do not, specifically because infracis people identify with their cisness in a queer way

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I'm sorry to jump in here as a perisex cis (in a queer way) person so this might be derailing. I'll put a cut just in case it is and I can delete if you don't want it left on here

This is part of why I coined infracis. People view cisness in this way and I think that having a label that expresses subversion of this expectation and idea of cisness, and lets people express their cisness as queer, is helpful. A label to express that one's cis experience is viewed as weird is helpful. Though I was also thinking of myself, intersex people were some of the first people that I thought of that might have found the experience I describe (regardless of if they use the infracis term or not) to be relatable, because of stuff like this. It's especially funny when people will say stuff like "oh cis people should also be allowed to get HRT and surgeries if they want, why can't a cis woman want T and to grow a beard? Why can't a cis man want a pussy?" But then intersex people will have traits of the binary sex they weren't assigned, and like those traits despite identifying with the gender they were assigned, and suddenly their cisness is called into question.

I also wish we didn't view cisness even in perisex people as meaning completely aptobinary, completely conforming, never having a funky relationship with one's gender or exploring greater identity because I'm perisex afaik and I'm still cis in a queer way. But people either strip me of my cis status because I'm too genderqueer, or strip me of my genderqueer status because I use the cis label. Let's let cis people be funky! Without taking away their cis label. Let's let funky gendered people be cis! Without taking away their funk.

it’s very obvious that a lot of perisex trans people struggle to understand intersex cis experiences bc they still see the relationship btwn gender and embodiment through a strictly bioessentialist lens, and/or they see cis ppl as conformist stepford robots who have no autonomous opinions about their bodies

for some reason it surprises many perisex trans ppl to hear that an intersex cis man with breasts might like his chest and want it to stay as it is, or that an intersex cis woman with facial hair might want to grow out her beard, even though these are both pretty common experiences. trans perisex ppl will talk all day about how much they appreciate men’s tits and women’s beards as long as those men and women are also perisex (a cis perisex man’s tits can still be celebrated and desired in these communities as long as they’re there because he’s fat, not because he’s intersex) — the assumption is still that an intersex person should and will want to change these “anomalous” features

the bioessentialist implication here is that someone’s “natural body” isn’t the one that develops without intervention, it’s the one that accords conventionally with whatever their ASAB was. because intersex bodies never accord conventionally with our (completely arbitrary) ASABs we can never have a “natural body” in this framework, unless we’re “corrected” by medical interventions

it’s just shocking to me that so many trans perisex people believe that intersex cis ppl always want those interventions, and completely accept the bioessentialist idea that those individuals are being restored to the “natural” and correct body type for their gender. it’s like normative gender ideals are still enshrined for them but only as ideals for intersex people. ik some ppl will react to this post by thinking “well cis perisex people are still worse, why are you criticizing us?” but it’s bizarre seeing the work of unlearning bioessentialism left in this half-done state and treated like it’s finished

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Cfiaspec/cfia (cfiagender spectrum)/cfiaty/cfia or cisfiaspec/cisfiaty (cisfiagender/fiacis/fiacisgender): umbrella term for anyone on the "cis female" side of the viabinary-to-aptobinary spectrum.

Similar to cisera (cisgenderera/cisgendera/cisgendrera), cfeingender (cisfeingender)/CFEIN/cisfein and cfingender (CFIN) or cisfideospec/cfideospec. However, this flag includes anyone who fits both spectrums: cis* (ciaspec) and woman/female/girl/gal (fiaspec or wifgender), regardless of birth assignment (assigned gender/sex).

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Short Piece: the Principle of Self-Exclusion (and why it's better than mandated exclusion)

I have referenced this principle in the past and said I need to write something on it, so now I'm actually doing that. The definition I will use for the principle of self exclusion is "it is only necessary for a term to define what it is and who it does include, not what it isn't or who it doesn't include. People who the term does not describe and who do not belong will naturally feel no sense of identification with it, and will self-exclude, and people who do not self exclude must feel some sort of genuine sense of identification with the term, and therefore belong."

This is a general principle, so there are of course exceptions based on circumstance. There are terms, such as nonbinary, faunic/daunic and floric, nomasexual/nowomasexual, and cisn't or straightn't that are very specific about what they aren't and/or who someone isn't attracted to, and hence the principle of self exclusion isn't entirely applicable to, but generally the idea of "it isn't necessary to enforce exclusion because people who it doesn't describe won't identify with it and people who identify with it are described by it in some way, else they wouldn't identify with it" can apply. There are also times when co-opted definitions become popular, like stud for example being used outside of its black-only context, in which case it is necessary to correct the record on the original definition and its exclusivity. So don't take this as a 100% infallible principle in every instance - it is a general rule of thumb.

In the context of mspec lesbians, it is an obvious application. There are no bisexual people wrongfully invading the lesbian label, because bi people who are not lesbians do not feel a sense of identity with being a lesbian. When a bi person does identify as a lesbian, there is a reason they feel connected to lesbianism, some of these being simple and obvious reasons like "I experience split attraction" or "I am bi and not attracted to men" but some are deeper and more personal such as "I had heterosexuality enforced on me so harshly that being a lesbian and centering my love of women is the best way to reclaim my autonomy and defy enforced heterosexuality, even though I am bisexual."

It's also true for lesboys, specifically aptobinary cis man lesboys. It's not usually defined as trans exclusive, but there is a reason that the vast majority of lesboys are trans. Most aptobinary cis men will not feel like lesbians in earnest, because the word doesn't describe them. Most aptobinary cis men who identify as lesboys later come out as trans and/or nonbinary, and the reason that it resonated with them was because they weren't actually men and didn't know it yet. If an aptobinary cis man does identify as a lesboy, then it can be assumed that there is some reason that its resonating with them, if they are identifying with the lesboy term in earnest and not as a joke. It isn't necessary to kick them out.

Sometimes, yes, people will claim to be an identity they do not genuinely hold. Does anyone remember "I'm a straight lesbian, I'm straight but I like the lesbian aesthetic" thing? Yeah that person came out as saying they weren't actually a straightbian, and invalidating anyone who did identify as a straight lesbian in earnest. Though there can be some good done in reinforcing that this particular person was not a straightbian and misrepresented the identity, it would not be necessary to tell them "NO, you're NOT A STRAIGHTBIAN" because people who do not earnestly hold the identity simply don't care. Straight men who jokingly say they're lesbians don't need to be strictly kicked out of the lesbian and lesboy labels because they do not genuinely identify that way. It makes them basically immune. You cannot stop people from joking even when it isn't funny, and when people with complex identities are thrown under the bus for the sake of proving why someone's pretend identity isn't valid, you're just further hurting the community. The actual best way to hurt an unfunny jokester is to take their identity 100% seriously, and act like you don't even get the joke. Now there's no one laughing. The punchline is lost when "straight lesbian" "lesbian man" and "bi lesbian" are normalized identities. Plus the joking party is usually someone with some queerphobic beliefs, so if their joke identity isn't succeeding at pissing off anyone nor is it funny, rather they're being associated with and assumed to be a "weird" queer, suddenly they won't want to say that's what they are anymore.

So yea that's pretty much it. People will exclude themselves based on if they fit the meaning, and if they seemingly don't but still identify with it, then something about the term's meaning is resonating with them and they have a reason and right to use it. When people joke, just ignore them and take it seriously and then when they don't get a reaction they want, they too will self exclude

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Mono- attracted to one gender; monoromantic or monosexual.

Trans*: transgender, transsex, transvestic, transnominal, transpronominal...

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Genderqueer: umbrella term for non-normative, non-assimilationist, non-cis, and non-straight gender identities, experiences, expressions, presentations, and related.

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Non-binary: umbrella term for identities outside the gender binary; someone whose gender is beyond strict man/woman binary; non-aptobinary; not exclusively nor integrally male or female all the time; binaryn't (not binary); non-dual; non-dichotomous; neither masculine or feminine.

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HRT (hormone replacement therapy) or hormonization: the medical process of blocking the body's naturally produced sex hormones and/or replacing or supplementing these with a different sex hormone or set of sex hormones.

This includes anyone regardless of sex, gender, pronoun, modality, modifier, alignment, expression, presentation, identity, etc. For example, this includes conformant people, such as those who are cis endosex aptobinary.

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Cliaspec (cisliaspec, cliagender spectrum), cliaty (cisliaty), cismesospec (cmesospec), cismesobinary/cmesobinary, liacisgender/liacis/cisliagender, or clia/cislia: umbrella term for anyone on the “cis” side of the mesobinary-to-aptobinary spectrum; being both mesospec/liaspec and ciaspec (cia/ciagender/ciaty); for anyone whose cisness fits on both the fia-/fein- and mia-/main- spectrums.

It's similar to clingender/cislingender (CLIN/cislin), clideospec (clideo/clideogender), and cisavire (cisgenderavire/cisgendravire).

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Aptobinary cis girl panro ace -> bigender iso infracis aporagender girl, ace, demiro, bi, poly, lesbian, omni(aesthetic), pan(platonic), lunian, neptunic, thalassic, trixic, enbian, trixen, +more termcollector

Everyone introduce yourself by what you thought your OG queer identity was and what you currently identify as

Ill go first: hi I was bisexual now I’m a pansexual aroace

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Abinaryn't (nonabinary/non-abinary/nonabin or nonab/non-ab/naby): not abinary; an umbrella term for anyone who is not abinary.

Flag colors obtained from mixing stripes from aptobinary, ambinary, and midbinary flags. This is inclusive of trans, non-binary, and cis individuals (plus viabinary, ideobinary, mesobinary, etc.).