#darkshipping discourse

[floortile34]

so like, can anyone who knows what fiction's considered problematic for what reasons tell me how the problematicness of agefluid characters works?

like, for example, 10-20 with both physical appearance and cognitive ability changing but not memories or experience?

what if they're in a split state? both 10 and 20 at once?

what about hiveminds that have characters of all aesthetic and cognitive and chronological ages? would sex with one be sex with all if they share the mind?

what about age regression where it's only mental without affecting the brain physically?

[tamarahtalkstv]

“I Just Fixed Their Art—“

No, No, No. You Defaced It. Use Big Words Art Theft.

Don’t You Dare Hide Behind Wanting To Help SA Victims.

If Anything You’re Hurting Them In A Way.

[smellslikeyuri]

we have literally been saying this for years but ok..

we've been saying "if you dont want proshippers to interact dont interact with us" and antis stole it? js admit its a good argument

plus no proshipper is desperately wanting to interact with ur corny vent videos

[necroyuri]

one thing i like about being proship on here is that i could say “hear me out” on any character i want without someone complaining like this

[entirely-strange]

"it doesnt matter if its fictional or not!" then whats the difference? why isnt the police investigating r34 and ao3 the same way they investigate dark web sites? why is it wrong to hear someones trauma and then say "this is just like that one anime"?

[xx-slug-xx]

The day that antis learn that “noncon” is absolutely just slang for “rape/sa in fiction” is the day my joints stop hurting tbh

Key phrase is the “in fiction”. Nobody is out here calling real life sexual abuse “noncon”. The very idea that there are people out there who are is just a made up thing antis made up. The only context we’re I’ve seen sex abuse referred to as “noncon” is on places like TikTok where the mere mention of the word “rape” gets your content taken down. Nobody in their right mind would call it what it’s not, but censorship is a bitch and it prevents us from using the proper terms for a very serious subject. When censorship isn’t an issue though, people call it what it is. Sexual abuse and rape.

Noncon is used specifically for fiction though. It’s slang for sex abuse and rape in fiction. Nobody is trying to make it sound like it’s not exactly that. It’s just another word for it and it’s used explicitly in fictional works because it’s not as serious as if it were to happen to a real person. Real abuse and fiction are not equals in any way, and using the term “noncon” to denote that separation is good actually. Noncon fanfics aren’t real, they should not be treated with the same seriousness as sex abuse.

[fandom-sillies-galore]

it's incredible how much discourse there is with proship and antiship stuff.

personally, i am proship and com/darkship because of a slew of reasons, but heres the main ones:

anyone should be able to ship/consume whatever media they want as long as it isnt hurting anyone in the process

anyone who is consuming that content for sexual gratification, but specifically if youre a paraphile and consuming that content, you should be no-contact. period.

i dont think its okay to harass people over what they ship or for just agreeing with proship ideals, no one should be harassed for what they believe, even if you think its stupid

people should be able to consume dark content because it can be very therapeutic to those who have experienced it, it can help heal them, and for those who it would trigger due to trauma or other related issues, i dont know any proshippers who dont tag properly and add TW's to everything

the whole debate on whether fiction effects reality is so important. fiction does effect reality for many, mostly those with certain mental illnesses, children, and those susceptible to manipulation, but for any adult who can critically think and analyze the content they are consuming, then they should be able to understand that its not real and doing those things in real life would have severe consequences and you shouldn't do them

this is a little unrelated, but antis who call proshippers pedos on no basis but the fact that theyre a proshipper are gross. you cannot just call someone a pedo without proof, and being a proshipper doesn't mean youre a pedo.

side note: @ me if you need help defending yourself to antis, i love arguing and i have a lot of free time in my future

harass me if you want, but if you're gonna do it on anon make sure you come off it and say what you want with your whole chest 🫶

[blotcourse]

"shipping problematic stuff doesnt make u oppressed"

ok sweet!!! can yall stop trying to find every way u can to deplatform us now????? can we finally draw and write in peace without being called predators and without being threatened with doxxing for liking problematic ships???? will yall finally realize that art is for pleasure and it doesnt have to reflect our moral values at all times??????????

[the-eternalized-constellation]

Hey retard, pedophile killer back again, if you support pedophilia and dark ships in any way, THAT MAKES YOU A PEDO!!!

I don’t know what your one fucking braincell fighting for 5th place against your fucking ego can’t comprehend in that but hey, at least that gives us an excuse to doxx and curb stop you :)

Don’t be surprised when your address magically ends up somewhere on the internet pedo 🖕

Lmfao I'm crying the pedophile killer.

Also the slur! Get the bingo card!

Dude has no idea what pedophile means and that's true. Pedophilia is a paraphilia, which have been demonized since the beginning. Pedophilia ≠ Child Predation. Obviously, when acted alone, pedophilia is wrong, and very bad, and can very much turn into child predation.

Pedophilia is a sexual desire, and can very much be intrusive thoughts for a person. Some people don't want to be pedophiles, but are stuck with intrusive thoughts. The more you say "kill all pedophiles" you're going to harm innocent people and children. Why? Because you make the innocent ones hide away and not search for help, and they'll either kill themselves, or hurt a child, no longer being innocent. If you let people know what pedophilia truly is, then they can get help, they can cope and recover, and no one gets hurt in the end!

Also, you know dark ships are not always based around pedophilia, right? It's important to me that you know that.

Your threats mean nothing when you're anonymous. 🩷

[tamarahtalkstv]

I Don’t Know Why, But I Think Someone Is Single.

Actually My Theory Is That A ProShipper Broke Up With Them And Now They’re Just Taking It Out On All ProShippers.

[color-coded-cryptid]

i’ve noticed that antis will attack anyone that has a differing viewpoint

i talked to my cousin about proshipping and told them i was neutral (a lie), and they still attacked me

they told me i needed therapy (which they took back after i called them out on how fucked up that is), they said it’s ineffective as a coping mechanism, they said that it didn’t matter whether it’s fiction or reality, this stuff is being said [in general] anyways

they have the complete inability to separate the entire real world that is horrifyingly huge and barely even comprehensible to the human mind

and a tiny fraction of a traumatized person’s mind

(an oversimplification, no offense intended)

they’re young and immature, they don’t have the life experience the majority of the population does, they don’t realize that most everyone over the age of 20 (or anyone with basic knowledge of how the mind works) is proship

they don’t know that therapists “are proship” or “support proship,” whichever terminology you’d like to use

“they” being both my cousin and antis as a whole

i will stand by my claim that antis are immature

because if you’re anti and you understand what proshippers are saying (in the sense of fiction ≠ reality/morality etc) then you aren’t anti

you’re neutral, if anything

i haven’t seen a single anti that doesn’t at least talk about how they believe proship stuff is bad, no less confront anyone that may have a slightly differing view

and in all honesty, i would fucking love to have someone try and prove me wrong

it’ll give me enough laughs to last a week

[xia0mi-c0m]

The proshipping problem in the twst fandom | A rant.

Very obvious trigger warning for things normal for proshippers like p3dophilia, incest, etc.

Though I do know proshippers will be in every single fandom, it's getting especially worse in the twst fandom, specifically the Japanese side of the fandom (with some discussions about some in the English side too).

Before any proshippers come into the comment section: Proshipping is NOT a healthy coping mechanism. If your therapist recommended it, they should be fired.

This post is not to dehumanize and degrade underage proshippers as they have been obviously groomed into believing that it was okay to ship this sort of stuff.

The actual elephant in the room we WILL be shunning is the adult proshippers who actively encourage children (either actually or under law) to proship.

Before getting fully deep in this subject, I would like to admit something that I've talked about before.

I was a proshipper when I was younger than what I am now. This was because, not getting into too much detail, I was groomed by a man online to the point that i thought it was okay.

Not only was I a proshipper but I was also a darkshipper, problematic comshipper, and also supported the things present in Dead Dove fanfics.

In fact, I had an account on some sort of forum page with other proshippers and I shared my nasty ships there. I believed it was a good way of desensitizing myself to my trauma that fucked me up heavily, but it wasn't and it was making me relive the same trauma which in return, made it worse.

This is why I say that I do not want anyone to shun underage proshippers, they were groomed into it half of the time.

Now that I'm 18 (About to turn 19 on February 14th), I finally understand that proshipping is an unhealthy way of approaching your trauma and pain.

It may feel like it does something, but it really doesn't. And I want to reassure you that you're not alone in your pain, please, find other ways to cope and process what has happened to you that doesn't include glorifying very nasty things.

Now with that out the way, I would like to say what the title says.

Proshippers in the twst fandom has sadly grown overtime, but my niece made a very good point; stating that since twst does have a slightly dark story, that people with dark and nasty thoughts and ideas will be attracted to it, much like a moth to a flame that damages it's already fragile body.

There have been adults in the twst proshipper area, and I think they're the main cause of fueling minors in the fandom to do the same thing. Maybe with or without knowing the eventual psychological consequences.

The adults who are aware sadly lure and prey on the gullible underage individuals of the fandom, and though that might seem like an overexaggeration; it sadly is true.

I am Japanese, well, half-Japanese. But even then, due to that fact, I'm more prevalent in the Japanese fandom than the English fandom though I am trying to balance out both.

Since I am more present in the Japanese side of the fandom than I am with the English side (because I'm basically like an absent dad that went off to get the milk and never came back until years), I have seen a lot of shit in here and it's very scary even to this day.

Though the English side of the fandom is as equally bad, the Japanese side is worse with the whole l0li and sh0ta thing. Sadly I have seen English twst accounts do those things too.

The most popular proshipper you may know is Ugigi or however the fuck you spell her name, whether one likes to admit it or not, her selfships were very much proshipping. This is mainly due to how her OC could've been her actual age which was in her 20s if I'm remembering correctly.

But let's say the OC wasn't, it would still be problematic (but not in the proship way) since the characters she drew NSFW of were mainly the minors (again, if I remember correctly). If her OC was her actual age then she would be a proshipper.

However, watever the age of the OC she always drew, it's obvious that it was still leaning more on proshipping because that indicates that she's attracted to the characters despite knowing they're minors (and not even aging them up by the way).

So, very nasty, I was thinking of putting her In the TWs 😭

All jokes aside, proshipping is disgusting.

In fact, must I bring up any other thing?

LEECHCEST.

WHAT.

Well, you heard that right, people ship Floyd and Jade. Seriously, what is wrong with you guys. And I think I know why this ship is so popular in the Japanese fandom; The fact incest is not necessarily illegal in Japan in a way.

Yeah. You heard me correctly. I'm horrified and scarred for life <3

"Surely there isn't anymore I shall talk about, right? Right?? RIGHT?!?" I exclaim, not expecting anything else to come from the sky and hit me.

Then boom..

SHROUDCEST.

OH FUCK NOT AGAIN.

So, apparently people ship a dead robotic little boy with his big brother.. yeah... FNAF fandom called, they're telling you not to steal their bit much like how Deejus is trying to tell Johnny RaZeR not to steal his "YOUTUBEEE" outro bit that.. he also stole.

It can't get any worse than this, right? This is definitely the last tier of the iceberg, surely? Perhaps??-

KINGSCHOLARCEST.

Okay, now we're pushing it, this bit is getting old but whatever.

Kingscholarcest can refer to three (disgusting) "ships": A nasty ship of Cheka x Leona, a nasty ship of Falena x Leona, or a nasty ship of Falena x Leona x Cheka.

Sweet home Alabama all around but more extreme..

I think we all know why these ships are not okay and are disgusting (ESPECIALLY CHEKA X LEONA SINCE CHEKA IS A GOO GOO GA GA BABY.)

Finally.. It's over.. I can go back to ranting!-

FELLOW X GIDEL.

JESUS CHRIST STOP.

This madness needs to stop because if not I'm going to pull my fucking hair out!-

LILMAL, SILVER X LILIA, S-

OKAY STOP IT RIGHT HERE,, THE BIT IS OLD NOW.

So, I think you get my point.

Borderline incestuous ships, the drake specialty, and straight up sweet home right to Alabama.

Now, let's put aside the jokes and get serious again.

With all the things I have stated, you can definitely see the absolute horror of some parts of the fandom.

There's accounts that are VERY hypocritical, saying "P3dos DNI" when they are a sh0ta/l0licon. This is the literal definition of hypocrisy at it's finest.

There are mfs who have unironically said that Cheka was hot and romantically cute.. HE'S 7 YEARS OLD. OR MAYBE YOUNGER. I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER BUT I DO KNOW HE IS A CHILD.

I have said this MANY times before and I'll say it again; if that characters looks like a child, THEY ARE A CHILD.

Even if you age up characters like Ortho, Cheka, etc. You are still self-reporting that you're attracted to a literal child.

Fiction DOES affect reality no matter if you try to plug your mickey mouse ears with your fingers (or paws, I don't know) to gaslight yourself into believing it doesn't truly affect it.

In fact, there have been cases where people have been arrested for having l0li/sh0ta on their devices, though, sadly, its not a long sentence despite how it should be lifelong.

But even without the lifelong sentence, the law still considers l0li/sh0ta CSAM. (I hate calling it CP now since that implies that kids can do that in their own will.)

A grown adult proshipper even told me when I criticized Kanna from dragon maid for being a little girl the author sexualizes to no end all because I said that she doesn't have a listed age that I was being "contradicting" and I think this proves that.. proshippers DON'T know what contradictions ACTUALLY are because they've gaslit so much into believing this disgusting behavior is normal and okay to do.

And don't get me started on Dead Dove cai, chai, etc. bots and fanfics.

Dead Dove, proshipping, problematic comshipping, darkshipping, doveshipping, etc. doesn't give out awareness to the horrors of such depraved acts.

Another very nasty thing I've seen in the TWST fandom is people shipping the staff with the students, mainly Crewel with Deuce.

Teacher x Student is disgusting no matter what. Teachers are always more grown than the students, so yeah, teachers aren't the anime boy or girl of your dreams or something, he or she's going to be old and otherwise not "attractive" and young.

The training to become a teacher and any profession in fact will take years, which means you'll grow and turn old.

I understand many say "Well, it's just fiction!" but these people seem to forget that young individuals, especially young girls, can see these teacher x student fiction and will probably, in the worst case scenario, get the wrong impression from it, ESPECIALLY if the media glamorizes and romanticize it, and sadly become a victim.

Crewel, If I'm not wrong, is 31 meanwhile Deuce and the other first years that [Crewel] mainly gets shipped with are 16 years old.

This is not only a disgusting, vomit-inducing age gap but huge maturity gap whether one likes to admit so or not.

Yanderes especially in the twst fandom get romanticized, and people seem to forget the reality of the abuse that yanderes put their "love interest(s)" through.

And I think this is why fandoms (not just twst) should stop romanticizing yanderes and student x teacher, and vice versa.

Besides, these two tropes are grooming even if the victim is not a minor, adults and the elderly alike can also be groomed especially if they're gullible and need to depend on someone (for either a disability or something).

People will probably invalidate my point but I don't budge from what I said.

Sorry if this posts looks rushed and/or maybe even incoherent to some, I just wanted to get this off my chest and stuff.

I should start ranting more, I like yapping so yeah, expect more whenever I'm bored :3

Anyways, BAIIII!!

YOUTUBEEEEEE flies away into the void to the right

[shadow-redferne]

A few days ago I started a survey intending to document the experiences others have had while partaking in shipcourse. After going through responses of the first survey, and after reading some critiques and questions yall wanted to know, I think it's time to share the second and final survey of my research!

As usual, please be civil in the reblogs. This is an open discussion. Tagging for visibility: @proship-anti-discussion @proshippers-against-censorship @olderthannetfic

Like with the last survey, this one will remain open for three or four days. Also, you guys are allowed to send in asks detailing your experiences with either side, in case you don't feel like going through the survey.

[bloodpopsoda]

From what I’m understanding being a proshipper means they’re against any kind of harassment over fiction.

and here where I disagree, I believe someone who fetishize pedophilic ships deserves to get harassed until they kill themselves. Some may say “oh not all proshippers are ok with that kinds of fiction” AIGHT but they’re are still comfortable enough to defend and be a part of a community with a reputation involving children in both fiction and reality.

I will not allow myself to be gaslighted.

[earlcieltea]

Tumblr IS the site for freaks, by the way. same with Ao3. You push us off other sites, into tiny circles within the ones we're left in, and then when we make our OWN places, you come in and... shame us on a site made for people like us? "Anti-harassment" antis make me laugh. your entire basis could be avoided by... blocking tags? And when people don't tag, ask them politely? Ive been harassed by my own so-called "friends" for having these dirty, sinful 'urges' [according to them]. I was just trying to cope, and still am! Profic/proship isn't propaganda. 8/10 times its people writing to cope, and 2/10 just... having fun with media? Do you think people who write about vampires WANT to suck the blood and kill people?

[the-eternalized-constellation]

“anti harassment” more like pro rape but okay. I hope you ACTUALLY get raped so you know the trauma and pain it fucking causes you waste of air. Then i hope it ruins your mental health so badly you decide to kill yourself. Maybe then you’ll stop fetishizing rape you retard. Maybe then you’ll realize encouraging all these awful things DOES make you a shitty person.

Not only do you not understand what proshipping is, you are using ableist slurs. Com/darkshippers ate the ones who like rape fantasies, not proshippers. Proship is just a movement, like I said, anti harassment and anti censorship. Proshippers can be con/darkshippers but not always, and not all com/darkshippers are proshippers. You are directing your anger at the wrong people if you really think like that.

We don't encourage dark topics, we acknowledge the difference between reality and fiction, and we hate those things in reality. We are able to understand the difference between reality and fantasies, reality and fiction.

Not only that, but most of us don't even fetishize rape, that's Laromi and like 2 others out of hundreds of alters in our system. Like 90% of us aren't com/darkshippers and are quite disgusted by it.

You really don't deserve to understand the trauma we've been through, but I'll tell you anyways. We have been raped. We have been assaulted. We have tried to commit suicide. Our mental health is ribbon stitches on paper. You have no right to wish that stuff on us.