#fandom discourse cw

[theslowesthnery]

if you've ever wondered why fandoms suck so much these days, this is why

[correlance]

It is absolutely wild to me that some asexual and aromantic people will praise Vivziepop for "adding to aromantic and asexual representation with Alastor", but then demonize her in the next breath by calling her a, quote, "cishet fetishizer woman", because she said it was "okay to ship Alastor in fanfiction and fan art, as long as nobody is harmed". Do you love Vivziepop, or hate her? Pick a lane already and stick to it.

As a 30+ asexual person, someone calling it "frustrating" that Vivziepop didn't condone people harassing and bullying other fans who liked shipping Alastor is equally wild to me. What did you expect her to say? "Yeah, fuck those shippers"? That would never happen.

[omenfailure]

Thinking about that rage bait slop analysis talking about how headcanoning Miquella as transmasc is transmisogynist. I hate current year fandoms, imagining pixels are something else isn't equal to real life oppression in any sense of the way

[foodperson]

Exactly! ☝️

[furiitha096]

why do anitshippers gravitate to dark media so much

[alexandraisyes]

It's not normal to send people death threats over fiction 👍

If you're so bothered by a piece of fiction maybe you should go to a therapist and talk about why it bothers you

Not send death threats

Authors and artists are real people, not machines for you to abuse

[mari-positas]

i wanted to keep my mouth shut, but i can’t.

i genuinely cannot believe how cruel some people can be. bullying others off this platform…over fanfiction of all fucking things? whoever is taking part in this by sending asks to that blog should be ashamed. and to be quite honest, embarrassed to be spending so much time and energy adding fuel to the fire.

i don’t know if this will make a difference, but take it from someone who knows how it feels to want to be friends with someone, but for some reason or another, it just doesn’t pan out. who doesn’t always write the popular tropes that get the most notes. take it from someone who has desired interactions with people i admire and look up to, but it just doesn’t happen. take it from someone who isn’t part of any specific circle of friends.

let’s be real, 99.9% of the hate is coming from jealousy, insecurity, and from what it sounds like, people have a serious chip on their shoulder with writers who aren’t interacting with them and their work.

when you don’t get something you want, that does not give you the right to throw a tantrum and take out your anger and frustrations on other people. that does not give you the right to bring someone’s age, personal, and family life into the mix. it does not give you the right to bully. expecting friendships, explanations, follows, reblogs, whatever it may be—this mindset will get you nowhere. no owes you, or any of us, a thing.

end this big writer/small writer nonsense. no one is getting paid for this. is the validation and that little number on the screen really that important to you? to the point where you are deliberately trying to hurt other people?

if it is, i beg you to go outside and touch grass. and get yourself a helmet while you’re at it because life is tough and if you go out into the real world expecting things from people, it’s going to knock you upside the head.

[correlance]

Uhhh, there were tons of people shipping Angel Dust with Vaggie and Charlie from 2018-2019 to 2024, even though he is "explicitly homosexual", so no, not everyone agreed it was "weird and not okay". People were shipping every character with everyone else in Hazbin Hotel, regardless of sexual or romantic orientation. I feel like the fans who weren't around for the post-pilot years aren't aware of this...

Google "CharlieDust" and "SpiderMoth" if you don't believe me. Note that I don't really care who people ship Angel Dust with, but most people ship RadioDust (Alastor/Angel) or Huskerdust (Husk/Angel).

one thing that kinda icks me with shipping alastor is when a character is explicitly homosexual, pretty much everyone agrees it would be weird and not okay to ship them with the opposite gender! most people agree with that, as far as ive seen!!!!

but as soon as u have an aroace character.,.. ☹️ most people seem cool just kinda acting like hes not pretty obviously sex n romance repulsed. like. even the creator is like yeah u can ship him if u want.

yes aroace people can date! absolutely! im aro and im romance neutral!! but aroace people can also can not date! sex n romance repulsed people EXIST.

i know fandoms r gonna ship characters no matter what and i know this probably wont change minds, but just.,, uggh it annoys me

[ingravinoveritas]

Someone on Twitter just doxxed Michael and David's hotel location in Scotland (at least until people called them out in the replies and they went private). This, after Neil already violated their (especially David's) privacy during filming last time in a way that we now know the horrific details about. To then have a "fan" turn around and do it is beyond unconscionable. Between this and the incessant begging for hair dye photos, I would be insanely happy if this fandom could just BE NORMAL about these people for five goddamn minutes...

[splatoonpolls]

Fandom discourse is weird. We will have literal adults who will try to analyze ”Princess unicorn in sunshineland” as the second coming of The Plague by Camus. While they can’t even grasp basic stuff like ”district 11 is a direct reference to how black people were and are still treated in the USA” while reading the hunger games.

[antimony-medusa]

Okay so.

Look. At this point I am old and I am tired and I am pretty firmly coming down on write what you want just archive lock it or something and tag it please. If I am hitting tropes or trends or ships that don't do it for me, I can simply click away and my day is not ruined. Cancellation is not on my radar at all. Okay. So. With that out of the way.

Look. Sometimes, when you are pushing the boundary of platonic possessive and platonic kink-adjacent stuff, if you lead special emphasis on the fact that everybody involved is related, it doesn't necessarily make it magically more platonic. It just gives it extra vibes. Specifically you are like STRONGLY invoking incest as a kink right now, my guys. This is getting dire. Like I'm sorry but if someone is lying down half asleep listening to the "sounds of kissing" and one of the people doing the kissing keeps saying how good of a brother the other person is, like, you can smack a "platonic kissing" tag on that one all you like, and I can even follow you on a faith journey and believe that you intended that to be platonic, but uh, the first reading of that one is distinctly like— man, please. I'm dying here.

In the same way that if you have an interaction— say, you did a cuddle-potion fic, and you say to yourself "man these guys are getting handsy, if they're both dating age this would look kinda sketchy'' so your solve is to make one of them twelve and then suddenly you have made your slightly off-colour fic take on a whole new tone— in the same way that making one of the characters underage isn't a magic button you can press to make something fully platonic no matter what, making your characters related isn't going to make it magically platonic if they are say, all in the same bed and one of the characters is feeling the mattress move as his brother and father cuddle each other and say how much they love each other.

This isn't even an isolated incident. Please.

If you are looking at your interaction and going "man this kinda looks like ship" and you want to make sure people don't think it's ship, aging down the character isn't a magic solve, and making them related isn't a magic solve, not when the rest of the tropes you are pulling from are pulled directly from romance and porn. You just invoked a DIFFERENT kink on top of the first one you had. Like you might not know that that's where the tropes come from but guys. Please. The solve for this scene is either changing it substantially until it no longer looks like ship, accepting that it looks off but you don't mean it that way and go "if people misunderstand this it's not my problem" or maybe considering the option that what you want to write is ship. I keep hitting this stuff and going "are you SERIOUS" and then it gets worse.

Or maybe, idk, you're specifically into all the people being related like that. You do you, the contents of your Ao3 account is not hurting anyone. But in that case please for the love of GOD can you please consider tagging it?

[correlance]

I know this post isn't about shipping, but I'm already seeing some aromantic and asexual people call Vivziepop a "cishet fetishizer woman" for simply telling people not to harass or bully people for shipping Alastor, even though she literally created the character. I can understand other asexual people not liking Alastor being shipped, but some people are going way too far with fandom discourse. The best option is to just mute and block tags and accounts one dislikes.

(I'm not sure what the phrase "cishet fetishizer" is even referring to? What are people even talking about when her characters are LGBT?)

I will never not hate the way the Hazbin fandom treats Alastor's sexuality.

It's always either straight-up aspecphobia or plain ignorance.

This isn't about shipping him btw. Just the way the fandom treats the fact that he's AroAce as nothing or just erases it entirely.

[xia0mi-c0m]

The proshipping problem in the twst fandom | A rant.

Very obvious trigger warning for things normal for proshippers like p3dophilia, incest, etc.

Though I do know proshippers will be in every single fandom, it's getting especially worse in the twst fandom, specifically the Japanese side of the fandom (with some discussions about some in the English side too).

Before any proshippers come into the comment section: Proshipping is NOT a healthy coping mechanism. If your therapist recommended it, they should be fired.

This post is not to dehumanize and degrade underage proshippers as they have been obviously groomed into believing that it was okay to ship this sort of stuff.

The actual elephant in the room we WILL be shunning is the adult proshippers who actively encourage children (either actually or under law) to proship.

Before getting fully deep in this subject, I would like to admit something that I've talked about before.

I was a proshipper when I was younger than what I am now. This was because, not getting into too much detail, I was groomed by a man online to the point that i thought it was okay.

Not only was I a proshipper but I was also a darkshipper, problematic comshipper, and also supported the things present in Dead Dove fanfics.

In fact, I had an account on some sort of forum page with other proshippers and I shared my nasty ships there. I believed it was a good way of desensitizing myself to my trauma that fucked me up heavily, but it wasn't and it was making me relive the same trauma which in return, made it worse.

This is why I say that I do not want anyone to shun underage proshippers, they were groomed into it half of the time.

Now that I'm 18 (About to turn 19 on February 14th), I finally understand that proshipping is an unhealthy way of approaching your trauma and pain.

It may feel like it does something, but it really doesn't. And I want to reassure you that you're not alone in your pain, please, find other ways to cope and process what has happened to you that doesn't include glorifying very nasty things.

Now with that out the way, I would like to say what the title says.

Proshippers in the twst fandom has sadly grown overtime, but my niece made a very good point; stating that since twst does have a slightly dark story, that people with dark and nasty thoughts and ideas will be attracted to it, much like a moth to a flame that damages it's already fragile body.

There have been adults in the twst proshipper area, and I think they're the main cause of fueling minors in the fandom to do the same thing. Maybe with or without knowing the eventual psychological consequences.

The adults who are aware sadly lure and prey on the gullible underage individuals of the fandom, and though that might seem like an overexaggeration; it sadly is true.

I am Japanese, well, half-Japanese. But even then, due to that fact, I'm more prevalent in the Japanese fandom than the English fandom though I am trying to balance out both.

Since I am more present in the Japanese side of the fandom than I am with the English side (because I'm basically like an absent dad that went off to get the milk and never came back until years), I have seen a lot of shit in here and it's very scary even to this day.

Though the English side of the fandom is as equally bad, the Japanese side is worse with the whole l0li and sh0ta thing. Sadly I have seen English twst accounts do those things too.

The most popular proshipper you may know is Ugigi or however the fuck you spell her name, whether one likes to admit it or not, her selfships were very much proshipping. This is mainly due to how her OC could've been her actual age which was in her 20s if I'm remembering correctly.

But let's say the OC wasn't, it would still be problematic (but not in the proship way) since the characters she drew NSFW of were mainly the minors (again, if I remember correctly). If her OC was her actual age then she would be a proshipper.

However, watever the age of the OC she always drew, it's obvious that it was still leaning more on proshipping because that indicates that she's attracted to the characters despite knowing they're minors (and not even aging them up by the way).

So, very nasty, I was thinking of putting her In the TWs 😭

All jokes aside, proshipping is disgusting.

In fact, must I bring up any other thing?

LEECHCEST.

WHAT.

Well, you heard that right, people ship Floyd and Jade. Seriously, what is wrong with you guys. And I think I know why this ship is so popular in the Japanese fandom; The fact incest is not necessarily illegal in Japan in a way.

Yeah. You heard me correctly. I'm horrified and scarred for life <3

"Surely there isn't anymore I shall talk about, right? Right?? RIGHT?!?" I exclaim, not expecting anything else to come from the sky and hit me.

Then boom..

SHROUDCEST.

OH FUCK NOT AGAIN.

So, apparently people ship a dead robotic little boy with his big brother.. yeah... FNAF fandom called, they're telling you not to steal their bit much like how Deejus is trying to tell Johnny RaZeR not to steal his "YOUTUBEEE" outro bit that.. he also stole.

It can't get any worse than this, right? This is definitely the last tier of the iceberg, surely? Perhaps??-

KINGSCHOLARCEST.

Okay, now we're pushing it, this bit is getting old but whatever.

Kingscholarcest can refer to three (disgusting) "ships": A nasty ship of Cheka x Leona, a nasty ship of Falena x Leona, or a nasty ship of Falena x Leona x Cheka.

Sweet home Alabama all around but more extreme..

I think we all know why these ships are not okay and are disgusting (ESPECIALLY CHEKA X LEONA SINCE CHEKA IS A GOO GOO GA GA BABY.)

Finally.. It's over.. I can go back to ranting!-

FELLOW X GIDEL.

JESUS CHRIST STOP.

This madness needs to stop because if not I'm going to pull my fucking hair out!-

LILMAL, SILVER X LILIA, S-

OKAY STOP IT RIGHT HERE,, THE BIT IS OLD NOW.

So, I think you get my point.

Borderline incestuous ships, the drake specialty, and straight up sweet home right to Alabama.

Now, let's put aside the jokes and get serious again.

With all the things I have stated, you can definitely see the absolute horror of some parts of the fandom.

There's accounts that are VERY hypocritical, saying "P3dos DNI" when they are a sh0ta/l0licon. This is the literal definition of hypocrisy at it's finest.

There are mfs who have unironically said that Cheka was hot and romantically cute.. HE'S 7 YEARS OLD. OR MAYBE YOUNGER. I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER BUT I DO KNOW HE IS A CHILD.

I have said this MANY times before and I'll say it again; if that characters looks like a child, THEY ARE A CHILD.

Even if you age up characters like Ortho, Cheka, etc. You are still self-reporting that you're attracted to a literal child.

Fiction DOES affect reality no matter if you try to plug your mickey mouse ears with your fingers (or paws, I don't know) to gaslight yourself into believing it doesn't truly affect it.

In fact, there have been cases where people have been arrested for having l0li/sh0ta on their devices, though, sadly, its not a long sentence despite how it should be lifelong.

But even without the lifelong sentence, the law still considers l0li/sh0ta CSAM. (I hate calling it CP now since that implies that kids can do that in their own will.)

A grown adult proshipper even told me when I criticized Kanna from dragon maid for being a little girl the author sexualizes to no end all because I said that she doesn't have a listed age that I was being "contradicting" and I think this proves that.. proshippers DON'T know what contradictions ACTUALLY are because they've gaslit so much into believing this disgusting behavior is normal and okay to do.

And don't get me started on Dead Dove cai, chai, etc. bots and fanfics.

Dead Dove, proshipping, problematic comshipping, darkshipping, doveshipping, etc. doesn't give out awareness to the horrors of such depraved acts.

Another very nasty thing I've seen in the TWST fandom is people shipping the staff with the students, mainly Crewel with Deuce.

Teacher x Student is disgusting no matter what. Teachers are always more grown than the students, so yeah, teachers aren't the anime boy or girl of your dreams or something, he or she's going to be old and otherwise not "attractive" and young.

The training to become a teacher and any profession in fact will take years, which means you'll grow and turn old.

I understand many say "Well, it's just fiction!" but these people seem to forget that young individuals, especially young girls, can see these teacher x student fiction and will probably, in the worst case scenario, get the wrong impression from it, ESPECIALLY if the media glamorizes and romanticize it, and sadly become a victim.

Crewel, If I'm not wrong, is 31 meanwhile Deuce and the other first years that [Crewel] mainly gets shipped with are 16 years old.

This is not only a disgusting, vomit-inducing age gap but huge maturity gap whether one likes to admit so or not.

Yanderes especially in the twst fandom get romanticized, and people seem to forget the reality of the abuse that yanderes put their "love interest(s)" through.

And I think this is why fandoms (not just twst) should stop romanticizing yanderes and student x teacher, and vice versa.

Besides, these two tropes are grooming even if the victim is not a minor, adults and the elderly alike can also be groomed especially if they're gullible and need to depend on someone (for either a disability or something).

People will probably invalidate my point but I don't budge from what I said.

Sorry if this posts looks rushed and/or maybe even incoherent to some, I just wanted to get this off my chest and stuff.

I should start ranting more, I like yapping so yeah, expect more whenever I'm bored :3

Anyways, BAIIII!!

YOUTUBEEEEEE flies away into the void to the right

[omenfailure]

Discourse not really, I'm just peeved

Bro why are we doing this, who gives a shit. Let people explore themselves via the media they enjoy, trans experiences are homogenous. Tell irl people about any fandom discourse and you'll realize how much of a nothing burger it is outside of your monitor

[lux-drm]

cw// discourse

seeing people shit on stepcest caleb enjoyers and still denying that he absolutely DOES embody the pseudo-incest trope is getting kinda sad lmaooo like the proof is RIGHT there when you read the Chinese translations. they KNOW they're supposed to be just siblings,but caleb lost the idgaf war and mc's a bit of a freak too. deny it all u want 😭😭 won't change a thing unfortunately for you

[rotteneldritchhorror]

sometimes you have to dip into a fandom you left years ago just to revel in the public execution of the most hated member