#instead of caring about the rights and safety of trans women

[bebsi-cola]

people are so unserious about how they treat trans-misogyny if, for even a moment, they decide to water down the meaning of terf into generic boogeyman, "person i don't like" or "exclusionists". like say you don't understand TERFs and what they are and who they target, which are trans women. they're a hate group that targets a vulnerable oppressed demographic specifically, using bio essentialism and holding hands with the alt-right to do so. i don't expect much from people who want to dedicate their time towards violating the boundaries of physically disabled people, but it's so disrespectful to use a comparison to people who make up hate groups to make a point for your cripplepunk discourse.

[transmascissues]

building off of this post, people love to say that “trans men want to keep going into in women’s spaces after they transition because they just want to have the best of both worlds!” but in my experience, there are four main reasons that a trans man might use a “women’s space” after they transition:

it’s an important resource that’s being arbitrarily gendered and we need to use it regardless of which gender is “supposed to” be using it.

it’s a public facility where we’d be significantly less safe in the men’s version and we have to choose our safety over our desire to not be misgendered.

it’s a social space that we’ve been in since before we transitioned and we don’t want to suddenly be cut off from our friends and support system.

the trans man in question is multigender and is also a woman, or maintains some other kind of connection to womanhood alongside their manhood.

do any of those sound like “evil men rubbing our dirty little hands together making plans for how we’re going to get male privilege without losing access to women’s spaces” to you? they sure don’t to me!

i think it’s pretty reasonable that we want to transition without losing the ability to access the resources we need, keep ourselves safe, keep up the relationships we’ve built, and express all facets of who we are. all of those are really, like, pretty basic parts of having good life and we shouldn’t be expected to give them up when we transition.

and honestly, if you claim to care about trans people, you should not be so attached to the gendering of these spaces that you’re willing to deny trans men those things for the sake of upholding gender restrictions. anyone who prioritizes the sanctity of gender segregated spaces over the safety, health, and well-being of trans men is a fucking transphobe. (yes, even if you’re trans yourself.)

and that’s what really gets me about all of this — the vehemence with which people are willing to defend those spaces being entirely and inflexibly gendered, despite how enforcement of gendered spaces has hurt trans people time and time again. gendered spaces have literally always been set up in ways that force trans people to break the rules; some trans men might break those rules in ways that don’t make sense to you, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong for us to do so! it just means you might feel weird about it and that’s okay, discomfort won’t kill you.

“but using women’s spaces after transitioning to male defeats the purpose of transitioning! the whole point of transitioning is to be able to live as a man!”

and who are you to tell trans men what the point of our transitions should be? what if the purpose of us transitioning is just to live the happiest and most fulfilled life possible, and forcing ourselves into unsafe spaces or denying ourselves access to important resources or cutting ourselves off from important people in our lives or pushing down the more complex parts of our genders would “defeat the purpose of transitioning” for us? what if being able to go where cis men go is just one part of a much bigger journey, not the end goal?

if you really want to talk about “defeating the purpose,” let’s talk about how policing which gendered spaces trans men can access defeats the purpose of trying to stop cis people from policing which gendered spaces trans people can access, because it allows the policing of trans people in gendered spaces to continue in some form instead of eliminating it altogether. let’s talk about how using “evil men invading women’s spaces” rhetoric against trans men defeats the purpose of trying to stop cis people from using it against trans women, because it allows the rhetoric to continue in some form instead of eliminating it altogether.

the point of saying “let people decide which gendered space is right for them” isn’t to make sure everyone uses the one aligned with their “true gender,” it’s to let people do what’s best for them without punishing them for their choice. sometimes the best choice is one that seems wrong from the outside, and you need to learn to live with that.

i just think we as a community need to be more hostile toward people who think upholding the sanctity of a gendered space is more important than giving trans people the freedom to move through the world without being punished for existing in those gendered spaces. that kind of thinking is fucking dangerous and it’s weird as hell that some of y’all are so comfortable with it being directed at us.

moral of the story: stop giving so much of a shit about where a trans man decides to piss or see a doctor or hang out or whatever else. even if you think he doesn’t belong there, he probably has a good reason to be there anyway, and that reason is frankly none of your damn business.

[pillarsalt]

whats your opinion on the email leaks linking the rampant transphobic legislation in america to future plans to remove gay rights? are you angry that we were right all along? are you going to deny that trans people have been saying this THE WHOLE DAMN TIME?

You are basically asking me "why are conservatives opportunistically using legislation to prevent predatory doctors and cosmetic surgeons from disabling people (including minors) for life while taking all their money, and to protect women from men who won't listen to "stay out of women's spaces, which we've created for ourselves out of safety", why are they using it now to hurt gay people and women?" That's a question for the conservatives, dude. By creating a political environment where caring about women's sex-based rights and being against medical malpractice for profit makes you a transphobic right-wing lunatic, the trans lobby has made it impossible for left-wing politicians to even have any sort of meaningful discussion about these subjects without risking their careers (no discussion, remember?), leaving it up to actual right-wing lunatics to make the decisions. Of course they're going to use it to their advantage, they're conservatives. This is not the fault of feminists. You guys should probably should start letting people have nuanced discussions about what trans rights activists are really asking for and what is ethically sound so decent laws can be created, instead of leaving all the talking to the misogynist homophobic conservatives while the liberals sit around, afraid to open their mouths because they've been successfully shouted down.

Also I'm Canadian lol. I can't even vote in America, it's kind of a you problem to fix this.

[yuri-for-businesswomen]

„why do you even care just let trans people exist“ i did not care or more so even supported and empathised with trans people until trans activists started to redefine what a woman is, even changing the legal definition, and reversing progress feminists fought for, such as female scholarships and quotas to ensure better and fairer chances for girls and women, having our bodies recognised in medicine and safety regards instead of treating men as the default, fighting misogyny very much related to being female (fgm, menstruation, pregnancy, abortion, which also affects women who dont have it, insults targeting the vagina like „stinky“ „stretched out“ „ugly“ for having a big vulva, shaving, women with big breasts being sexualised and women with small breasts being degraded, ETC ETC), and so on.

why do i care. they redefine woman. i am a woman. and i care about my sisters.

i oppose the narrative that we cant support trans people while still acknowledging that sex matters. i oppose the idea that one can change sex (i actually think this claim is more detrimental to trans people than actually helping anyone). who are womens rights for if woman cant be defined? if woman is a feeling one has or doesnt have and not a fixed characteristic? who are womens rights for if one can identify in and out of womanhood? why cant we work together without denying material reality? without making feminism about everyone?

[nonstandardrepertoire]

as a Jewish transsexual, the Jewish ethno-nationalist¹ sales pitch has always left me cold.² over and over again, i've heard people plugging the State of Israel offer some form of the following: "history teaches that we can never fully trust non-Jews with political power to protect Jews; the only way to make sure Jewish people are always safe is to create and maintain a state where Jewish people have the political power, so we can look out for ourselves"

but the thing is, the worst transphobic harassment i've experienced in my life has come from Jews. i don't think this says anything about the relative transphobia of Jews vs non-Jews, anymore than the fact that most of my birthday presents come from New Yorkers says anything about the relative generosity of Californians, but still. the people who followed me out of the subway filming me while yelling transphobic abuse were Jewish. two of the most relentless boosters of the current wave of transphobia in the US — Ben Shapiro and Chaya Raichik — are Jewish. i should be safe in a state run by such people?

and the obvious response is to say that, well, this is about keeping me safe as a Jew, not necessarily as an anything else. it's a bulwark against anti-Jewish violence, not every other -ism under the sun.³ but the thing is, i'm not a potato-head person. you can't just snap off the trans part of me and the Jewish part of me and say the latter part is safe even when the first isn't. i'm 100% Jewish and 100% trans; if i'm not safe as a transsexual, i'm not safe as a Jew. and if i'm going to be having to fight transphobia anyway, what difference does it make if the people passing bills stripping my rights are Jews or not?⁴

if you really lean into the logic at play here — "no one outside a vulnerable demographic can be trusted to care about people in that demographic" — it's easy to wind up in absurdity. because if i can't trust goyim to have my back as a Jew and also can't trust cis people to have my back as a transsexual, perhaps i need a state run by and for Jewish transsexuals. but wait! white Jewish transsexuals are certainly regularly horrible to, eg, Black Jewish transsexuals, so we probably shouldn't be in the same state together, to say nothing of separating out the poor, the disabled, those without college degrees . . . and before you know it, you're committed to the idea that the only just world is one where we're each a state unto ourselves, perfectly safe in absolute isolation from one another — no society, no coming together across difference to lighten the burden of living, just infinite atomization, the perfect unending unwinnable war of all against all

and this, i think, reveals the fundamental futility of the project. as a transsexual, i don't think my safety will ultimately come from removing myself from people not like me. safety, i think, comes not from cutting ties, but from building them. i will only really be safe in a society that accepts difference, multiplicity, strangeness, variety. i will only be truly safe in a society where we come together — across the gulfs that separate us — to take care of one another

i think there are illuminating parallels with feminist/lesbian separatism here. in its most extreme versions, such separatism abandons the demand that women be safe around men and instead attempts the task of building a space without men for women to inhabit. similarly, it seems to me that Jewish ethno-nationalism abandons the demand that Jewish people be safe around goyim and instead attempts to build a space without goyim for Jewish people to inhabit.⁵ i think Jews can and must be safe among goyim. i think women can and must be safe among men. i think trans people can and must be safe among cis people. that is the kind of world i am committed to fighting for, not one where we give in to fear and retreat into gardens walled by suspicion and hostility⁶

i'm not going to pretend that that's an easy world to build.⁷ i'm not going to pretend i can point to a bunch of stable, just, pluralistic societies and go "eh, just do what they did!" (altho there's no shortage of societies i can point to that went the "this place is for us and only us" route and wound up producing dystopian nightmares⁸). i'm not even going to pretend that i think building a just world from where we are now is inevitable, or even that i always think it is possible. there are days it is very hard to believe. but i always think it's worth striving for. if a just world that guarantees a good life to all isn't worth striving for, what is? if we are to suffer defeat, let it be a slow defeat, a long defeat, a fighting defeat. i am not willing to give up on my neighbors. i am not willing to abandon the charge of seeking the good for those not like me. i am not willing to abandon the hope that will seek the good for me despite my strangeness to them. and i reject any philosophy or politics that asks me to do so

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¹i'm using "Jewish ethno-nationalist" here because i think it's been subject to less semantic dilution than "Zionist", and i want to avoid semantic arguments here as much as possible. whatever prescriptivist arguments you want to marshal that this or that term should mean X, i think it's clear that the descriptivist ship has long since set sail when it comes to "Zionism". (when pushed for specifics, i've seen self-professed Zionists and anti-Zionists outline essentially identical political programs, which certainly makes it seem to me that these terms are of minimal utility at best)

²obviously, what's happening on the ground is very bad. but critiquing what's happening on the ground often runs into severe questions of evidential reliability and can also leave the impression that Jewish ethno-nationalism is a good idea implemented badly, which is why i want to take aim at this level here

³given the European origins of this movement in its modern incarnation, i think it's unsurprising who gets imagined as "just a Jew" and not any other marked category. and from there, i think it's also unsurprising (if depressing) how various Jews who do exist in other marked categories have been and are treated by the "Jewish State" — the promised safety turns out to be predicated on all the usual axes of whiteness, wealth, ability, and so on

⁴indeed, i have often found that groups predicated on the idea that "we're all in alignment here" are often much more resistant to acknowledging members' various bigotries than groups not predicated on that assumption

⁵and, similarly, this attempt to cleave the world along one axis of hierarchy invariably reveals the inadequacy of one-identity-only frameworks for tackling the full complexity of the world. among other things, feminist/lesbian separatism has come under sustained critique from Black feminists like Barbara Smith for sundering ties of solidarity that are critical for fighting racism. victimhood and oppression are not fixed, ontological states, but fluid, shifting, contextual relationships. we cannot undo the snarlingly intertwined systems of oppression by replicating them in miniature

⁶the fear is certainly a real emotion; it is one i have felt at times myself. sometimes it is even based on an accurate perception of the world! but also: sometimes not. my fear of kitchen knives spontaneously levitating and flying around the room certainly feels real to me, but it's not a thing that can actually happen. one of the really hard things to do in the world, i've found, is parsing out the fears that are just feelings i'm having from the fears that tell me actual actionable information about the world and then striking a livable balance between reasonable precaution and paranoia. precautions against danger often come with their own set of risks: locking a door to keep out potential thieves ups the odds of being trapped in a building fire; using a different complex password for every site raises the risk of forgetting one and having a critical account shut down; the medications that drastically cut the frequency of debilitating migraines can raise the likelihood of other adverse health effects. more broadly, viewing neighbors with suspicion, fear, and distrust has a corrosive effect on the social fabric, and makes it harder to structure society to make sure everyone has food, clothes, housing, healthcare — all the things a society is supposed to do. (it's hard to convince people to take care of people they're afraid of, especially if they believe (rightly or wrongly) that they will have to give up something they care about (usually money, but also convenience, prestige, power) for that to happen.) and that corrosive effect can get very extreme — when fascism wants to recruit you to its cause, the sales pitch is usually less "hey, do you want to unleash horrific violence against those folks over there?" and more "hey, aren't you tired of being ~afraid~? don't you want to feel ~safe~? isn't it about time you had all the wealth, respect, and power that's rightfully yours and that's been kept from you for so long?". fear isn't the only way that horrors get unleashed, but it's a very potent one. (i don't think there's a formula for striking the right balance here. as with so many balancing acts, too much comes down to context and the specifics of all those involved, not least because the scale and nature of threats can vary so wildly. i believe that everyone deserves to be safe (insofar as any of us mostly hairless apes clinging to a thin crust of dirt on an iron ball whirling thru the cosmic void around a sphere of nuclear fire can be safe from loss, grief, accident, disaster, or misfortune...), but being and feeling are different matters, and pursuing the feeling of safety without limit can easily lead to logics of annihilation.) (and indeed, i am not the first to be struck by the fact that in many ways it is in the interests of the State of Israel, as a state, if Jews feel unsafe in the rest of the world, because that feeling of unsafety is so easily leveraged to both increase political support for the State of Israel and encourage Jewish people to leave the Diaspora and move to the State of Israel. which, unnervingly, is where you sometimes find the State of Israel and its agents taking the position that Jews don't belong anywhere that isn't the immediate environs of Jerusalem, a position that is ultimately indistinguishable from any number of dime-store Judeophobias)

⁷indeed, i think this is one of many places where it's easier to identify the problem than it is to solve it. many middle schoolers can explain the problem of Fermat's Last Theorem; barely a handful of professional mathematicians in the world could explain the proof. my cat can figure out how to break a vase even tho he can't reliably find a toy he's just been playing with when he's sitting directly on top of it (it's fine, he doesn't follow me on here, i can say that about him); in some cases, a skilled artisan can repair the vase so it functions again; no one in the world can turn back time so that the vase was never broken to begin with. it's easy to invent chessboard solutions to entrenched societal conflicts — move this border here, enact this constitution there, change this societal attitude for all involved, and hey presto!, utopia. but the world is not a game of chess. education, advocacy, activism, political organization, even wildcat direct action — these are all slow, effortful, uncertain processes, and everyone with a different vision of the future is also exercising their agency to change the course of events. i think societies are easy to break and hard to repair. in many cases, i don't really know how we go from here, the real world as it actually is with all its shattered bones and aching wounds and long-festering resentments, to there, a world of true justice. but i think it's worth trying. i think it's worth imagining. i hope you do too

⁸like, idk what even to say if "Germany for the Germans" doesn't set off alarm bells. even if they raised up a brand new continent from the ocean floor, i still think i'd be wary of the political project of building a ~Jewish state for the Jews~. i don't trust nationalism of any flavor. i think the Diasporic notion of feeling kinship with and responsibility for people all around the world regardless of borders, flags, kings, bureaucracies is beautiful and worth cherishing and protecting. i don't dream of finally being on top of the hierarchy; i dream of there not being a hierarchy to begin with

[lavendeerlesbian]

We get the bare minimum of people acknowledging we exist that's not pandering. Literally all most of us want is access to medical care and the right to live our lives without violent threats or harassment. Of course there are shitty trans people, there are shitty people in every group whether they're marginalized or not. No one should be harassed for just trying to live their lives, but every fucking day I have to have someone remind me that they think I should commit suicide and they think it's fucking hilarious. Some celebrities saying "trans rights" isn't helping my safety, medical care, or material existence.

"Bare minimum of people acknowleding we exist" and yet every major company acknowledges and accepts trans people (and if you disagree you can be fired), every job application now asks for your gender identity and acknowledges nonbinary identities, women's DV shelters are forced to accept transwomen or else risk facing defunding and being shut down despite the fact that most women there are traumatized and need space away from male people, males are legally allowed to go into women's restrooms and sports and prisons where they assault and rape female inmates and staff, and y'all are also allowed to undergo "gender affirming care" despite the fact that it violates the hippocratic oath and is not safe. Hell, many insurances will even cover the cost of transition so either you're lying or you're misinformed. Literal children having some restrictions being placed on transition doesn't count, as children aren't allowed to make many other life altering decisions and you don't complain about those (no smoking, no drinking, no tattoos, etc.). And I haven't even gotten into how the trans movement is inherently homophobic as y'all are trying to redefine homosexuality as "same gender attraction" and call any actual homosexual person a "transphobic bigot and genital fetishist" in much the same fashion as homophobic conversion therapists. Literally the guy who came up with the concept of gender identity, John Money, was a pedophile who did sexual experiments on twin boys which eventually caused both of them to commit suicide. Look it up. Also look up Alan Turing and the Aversion Project.

It's not just "some assholes", your entire movement is built on trampling on the rights of women and LGB people.

I'm sure you genuinely see yourself as a victim because you have been told BY OTHER TRANS PEOPLE that trans people will commit suicide if they don't get affirming care instead of just better mental health resources. You know what LGB activists told gay children? "It gets better", not "Affirm gay kids or they'll kill themselves". Like. Doesn't that rub you the wrong way at all? Why are your activists encouraging children to kill themselves?

Acknowledging reality is not oppression, either. Even radfems acknowledge that you exist and that you identify as trans, but the reality is men cannot become women and vice versa. Also, radical feminism the ideology has nothing to do with suicide baiting people, so if radfems have actually told you to kill yourself on the basis of you being trans (doubt) then I want to see receipts.

[hjellacott]

They say I want transgender people dead? That I'm killing them?

A lot of the gender ideology movement sustains itself on the idea that the world is against them.

So if you're a lesbian and you refuse to sleep with a person who identifies as woman (but biologically isn't one), they call you transphobic, as they do if you're gay and you refuse to sleep with someone who identifies as a man (but isn't a male).

If you don't want to have to state your pronouns everywhere all the time (for example forms, social media profiles, and so on), then they call YOU transphobic.

If you oppose the idea that an underage person who isn't old enough to give sexual consent, to be held responsible for a crime, to get married, to take care of themselves without parental assistance, to have a job, to vote or to drive, will somehow be grown-up enough to decide, without any need for parental consent or a full mental health evaluation, to have life-changing surgeries and hormonal treatments that are irreversible, they say you want trans children to suffer.

If you don't want to share what should be a sex-exclusive space with someone who has a biological sex different from yours, they say you hate trans people.

If you don't want to date a trans person, they call you transphobic.

If you don't want words such as woman, women, feminism, feminine, female, and things such as women's healthcare, women's sports, women's education, women's institutions, women's pubs... to disappear from the face of the Earth, they call you transphobic.

If you don't want a person who is not a biological woman to be feeding a baby whatever the hell comes out of their nipples after years of HRT, they call you transphobic.

If you don't want children to be taught transgender propaganda in schools, to be taught that if they don't conform to their gender stereotypes, they're trans, they say you want trans people to die.

If you don't accept homophobia, they call you transphobic.

If you oppose grown men dressing as little girls and wanting to be called women and occupy women's spaces, they call you transphobic.

If you insist that trans people should only have access to HRT and gender-reassignment surgery after a complex psychological evaluation and treatment and only as a very last resort, they say you don't care about trans lives.

But no sir. I am not against transgender people, nor against children, indeed I am not AGAINST anybody. I am FOR somebody.

I am supporting gays and lesbians, I am protecting women's health, safety and sex-based spaces, services, institutions and competitions, I am protecting the health and well-being of children, I am standing against misogyny and homophobia, I am protecting female prisoners being forced to share cells with males, I am protecting the healthcare systems around the world from going bonkers, I am protecting babies from paedophiles and people who put their own happiness above their child's well-being, I am protecting masculine girls and feminine boys and anyone who doesn't conform with gender stereotypes, I am protecting future victims of sex-based violence and health problems, I am standing against the erasure of women, of sanity, of logic, of scientifical evidence, of safety for women and children.

I am a supporter and a lover, not a hater.

So instead of asking me why I hate anyone or want anybody dead, when you know full well none of it is true and you're only saying that to bring attention away from your wrongdoings, you should ask yourself why is it that my defence, protection and advocacy for the rights, health, and well-being of women, homosexuals and children, would negative impact your activism, and how does your activism interfer with mine.

IN WHAT WORLD WOULD STANDING UP FOR SOMEONE'S HEALTH, WELL-BEING AND SAFETY BE A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE GOOD.

[walkinghinatalikeadogsheis]

Name a factual existing sex based right, not opinion or custom but a factual sex based right.

Look at this dumb bitch.

1)a right for abortion

Only women can beat children and trans women are trans identifying men.

No,trans women ≠ women just like women ≠ trans women: trans women are trans women,trans genders,trans identifying men.

2)a right to have access to (if not free,even though in a better world they must be) affordable period care products like pads and tampons.

Do you know how hard it is for women in Ukraine and Palestine right now because of how pads are either incredibly expensive because of the war and crisis or not even there,because in the hot spots there are no more stores?

Again,trans women are trans identifying men and human beings can not change sex: trans women don’t have vaginas and don’t need period care products.

Sex does matter. Literal organs inside human bodies do matter.

The whole patriarchat oppression is based off sex differences like the fact that men are physically stronger than women,and yes,I am a woman myself,I just have a basic understanding of human anatomy: there is a reason why women’s and men’s sports are separated to begin with and it is not because of gender,it is because of sex.

Why are we suddenly neglecting and harming women’s and girl’s health, safety and rights just because of a bunch of insecure trans identifying men?

Do trans women do not know that they are trans identifying men or what? Do they not realize that they don’t have vaginas? Literally,what is the fucking problem? Why trans women aka trans identifying men get so extremely aggressive when women want to have their own safe spaces and also want to protect their rights?

Trans women are trans women and if they can’t grasp this concept,they should go to the therapy and not leash out on women who want sex based bathrooms after a wave of rape and who want sex based sport category because it is very obvious how men’s skeletons are different to women’s skeletons and in every single sport beside women’s gymnastics men have a clear and huge and advantage over women.

If you are a feminist and instead of telling girls to take care of their health & structure their lives appropriate to their hormonal and reproductive health for their well-being,you tell them that “your organs don’t matter”—you are not a feminist and you actually hate women.

Insanely huge amount of women had and have heath issues because they were lied that their organs,their hormonal system, their reproductive system “don’t matter”: women working out, dieting and sleeping as many hours as men has brought to women nothing but misery.

It is crazy how because of lack of studies about women’s bodies we still have a horrible pill birth control with an horrendous amount of side effects while the same birth control for men was cancelled because the same amount of side effects for men is inappropriate.

[magz]

One of the worst ways for inspire actual solidarity between transfems n transmascs by the way:

Transcript:

"I think perhaps endless pissing contests over which kind of trans person has it worse are very, very useless when we're all getting shoved in the meat grinder right now. Ron DeSantis isn't exactly asking my pronouns before he passes Illegal To Be Trans bills, takes away everyone's HRT, and imprisons trans parents as child abusers. I don't care about your transmisogyny vs transandrophobia discourse right now, tumblr, I'm too worried about the literal goddamn genocide that's brewing in my home state right now, you feel me? Can we all express some fucking solidarity with each other for five fucking seconds? As an intersex person who has experienced transphobia from people mistaking me as a trans woman AND as a trans man, neither of you have systemic privilege over the other, so shut the fuck up and fight the system instead of each other. Thanks."

Telling people to shut up about their problems, not work.

The idea that someone would know how is like be different marginalized group n discrimination because of ocassional being misidentified as of that group

n that makes have authority on "both sides" groups - is laughable

having been mistakenly seen as trans woman while not being one, not even remotely a unique experience n not give inherent insight nor is interchangeable with trans women

transfemicide (derived of feminicidio) has is own category term in activism of feminismo bc of international need of recognizing trans women y transvestis as at-risk of gender-based n partner-based misogynistic violence,

while often lacking support and alternative safety nets on a structural n societal level from their own community or broader lgbt / trans community and government before death - because of often being denied spaces for anti-misogyny n women's safety

which is what often getting criticize when pointing out transmisogyny

n would not be different in Florida, United States - where the laws are specifically codified in hypervigilance against trans women n girls,

(to point that is dangerous people even think someone transfem)

that transmisogyny need be discussed there too, n it not contradict nor prevent from attempts with find safety for trans people in general

n is not on same connotation as a hate group (transandrophobia truthers) in the trans man community that hates women, especially trans women, n blames everything on them

if anything - this just communicate how unsafe are for have that conversation with

anyways, unfollowed someone who put that on dash.

[butchviking]

What does "feminism can and must be compatible with trans issues" mean to you? Ive been trying to be more inclusive, but trans issues often to seem to be incompatible with feminism.

hm well that was one line of the post that i did think 'i wouldnt phrase it quite that way'. i think besides the weird-ass conservative strains of feminism that dont reflect what i consider feminism at all, feminism IS compatible with trans issues. not that "it must be" like feminists have to change what they're doing to revolve more around trans issues or anything - feminism has no obligation to fight for trans issues just like the anti-racism movement has no obligation to fight sexism and the gay rights movement has no obligation to fight for disability rights - but that those causes simply ARE compatible. classic example: the public bathroom debate. right now that's often framed like feminism and trans activism are diametrically opposed and there can be no resolution for one that doesn't contradict the needs of the other. the trans activist movement wants all public toilets to be unisex and based on gender identity instead; the feminist movement wants sex-segregation regardless of gender identity. only, most feminists i know all agree by now that just. adding a unisex/gender-neutral option is literally the obvious and best way to keep people safe. and if there's no room for adding an extra, convert all the current spaces to single-stall unisex facilities. that way literally everyone is kept safe, no-one's rights are encroached on at all and anyone who takes issue is either a predator upset that they don't have the opportunities for abuse they wanted or a selfish weirdo who only cares about how they feel abt women or trans ppl or whatever ("but thats not good enough i want to use the WOMENS room!!"/"why should we have to give up OUR space just because of the transgenders!!") rather than about the actual safety & wellbeing of both of those groups. we're made to think feminism and trans rights activism are incompatible on this, its one of the biggest talking points in conservative media bc they KNOW it gets everyone at each others throats. but theyre literally compatible theyre literally so so compatible there is no reason on this earth anyone should still be having this stupid fucking debate its such a COLOSSAL waste of all our time.

there are certain things i think some feminists could do with not being so weird about. a lot of women are still super yucked out by male gender non-conformity and a lot of them for some reason still won't even admit it even though they bang on about it aallllll the time - but oh no, that's not bc they think it's creepy and fucked up for dudes to wear dresses and makeup, they're only saying these horrible things abt it because this one dude is transgender and that means they're evil and misogynistic by default so theyre fair game! (does anyone remember - haha kidding i know u remember i know i never shut up abt it - how many women on radblr were so so weirded out and for some reason ANGERED by gerard in his little dresses & skirts. he's not even trans. in fact suddenly everyone seemed to be saying "oh yeah he's definitely going to come out as trans sometime soon 🙄 he's obviously drunk all the gender kool-aid 🙄" like shut up you literally just made that up in your head to try and justify ur anger. shut upppp.) or sometimes it's like "men shouldnt wear makeup because its mocking our oppression it's wearing our chains for fun" - it really isnt and you need to get over yourself.

there are also certain things some trans activists could do with not being so weird about. if i see one more fucking transwoman act like its her god-given right to be included in lesbian dating pools, or transman that its his god-given right to be included in gay mens dating pools, i am going to start burning things i am going to start burning so many things and people too and i am going to squidge all the organs from inside these people until all the moisture is wrung out and i am going to set those on fire too. homosexuality is fucking natural innate sex-based and NORMAL and HEALTHY and GOOD. ive seen pro-trans lesbians turn into "terfs" based on this point alone btw - they were so fucking sick of all the homophobia they became vehemently opposed to the whole movement. they began to believe that feminism, gay rights activism, and trans rights activism AREN'T compatible. i still believe they are i just think some people need to throw out the bullshit that isnt actually relevant to either cause.

[transinclusionary]

Were you the person cosplaying as a transwoman when you are AFAB? Because that's just sick af. I've seen post circulate around you - I just came here because I recently followed you ... and .. now .. Idk ..

I used to used to refrain from confirming my gender with anybody, due to how uncomfortable I was about my gender being a talking point online. I have always struggled with my gender identity. The idea of people focusing more on what's under my clothes instead of the content of my character really bothered me. I believed that since people often call out racism without people assuming they belong to the group they're advocating for, that I could do the same for transphobia. Oppression is not comparable, however, and I realized that this did not work for these discussions. If I am to effectively advocate against terfs and for trans people, I then need to use my privilege as being cis passing in discussions. I don't really love people online knowing my gender, because I dont really know my gender either. But this feeling is the exact same thing trans women constantly go through: the feeling that their gender is constantly subjected to ridicule by any random you encounter, both online and IRL.

I have never said that I was a trans women, merely deflected whenever someone asked me about it. In retrospect, it was a selfish thing to do that I definitely regret. I started this blog as a teenager and it's aged with me to mid twenties. If I could, I would go back and re-do some interactions. The mistakes have been uncomfortable but necessary learning lessons for me. I learned I can not effectively advocate if I keep my gender a secret, because it means I refuse to do the same thing that trans people are expected to do.

I wish I could go back and state what my gender was when it mattered. I didnt know entirely how to classify myself, however, so I redirected any attempts to talk about my gender identity because I myself didnt want to think about it. I dont feel cis, but I also dont feel trans, so how can I tell someone what my identity is if I dont know it myself? However, since my gender identity will never be a trans woman, it wont hurt me to confirm with people as much.

I came to the conclusion that I can not have both my ambiguous gender identity and be a terfexclusionist. I chose to sacrifice the comfort of my ambiguous gender identity, in solidarity with trans people who are expected to disclose. Unfortunately, the world we live in is that we are representatives for our gender (which I think is bs). We all deserve to live as individuals and not spend our short lives worrying about how our life will influence the collective's public perception on others who share a gender identity. Unfortunately, this not how the world operates, especially not online as it pertains to trans people. You speak for members of your gender identity when you're anything other than cis, heterosexual, and endosex. Instead of selfishly denying the reality that trans people are forced to be model minorities, I instead adapted my advocacy to better fit this unfair aspect of life. If trans people are forced to cater to cis people's comforts for their safety, it should be up to cis passing people to (safely) show to cisendosex people that it's not just trans people who care about this. This is obviously a fine line, as you dont want to advocate in a way that might cause more violence than it helps. I'm still figuring out the best way to do that. I make mistakes, unfortunately I am not perfect nor will I ever be. But the mistakes help me learn who I want to be, and not starting this blog with everyone knowing my gender was one of those mistakes.

You're right, cosplaying as trans women is disgusting, I've seen it both IRL and online. It pushes trans people out of spaces designed for them, and that's something I would never want to do. However, my refusal to confirm my identity should not mean people just assume I'm a trans woman. I do not believe trans people should exclusively be expected to call out terfs. It means that cisendo people are not doing their jobs as allies to use their priviledge to call out bigotry.

I never started this blog thinking anyone would actually follow me or even have opinions about me. I definitely did not think "terfexclusionist" or "transinclusionary" would be followed by anyone other than my best friend. This blog initially started because of my (admittedly) unhealthy anger about the absolute refusal of terfs to admit that they are doing is wrong. To this day, the rhetoric that terfs spew almost brings me to tears of frustration. The LGB community makes me want to pull out my hair and scream. This is why I often take extended breaks from this blog. I still probably can develop a healthier way to cope with the anger. I want to do something to help this epidemic, but I'm just one person. I just want to do the right thing, but it is often unclear about what is the right thing to do. This is why I appreciate having my followers give me feedback, both positive and negative, as it allows me to introspect.

If you want to remain followed, that's fine, but do not feel pressured to. Life is way too short to continue following someone you dont feel comfortable with. I am always open to any suggestions, criticisms, and concerns by both anon and DM. This goes for both you, anon, and any other of my followers. Please never hesitate to reach out. I appreciate you (and all my follower) for caring about doing the right thing and keeping me on the straight and narrow. Have a good day.

[limeade-l3sbian]

Idk if I can agree with that post saying "TRAs are jealous that women's rights are more cared about and get more attention." People don't care about women's rights. Most women don't even care about women's rights, and way less men give a shit than women do. It's the same thing for any marginalized group.

Rather, instead of envy over attention, I think it's a very normal position for privileged people (and marginalized people who have found a comfortable "niche" to insert themselves into that they wrongly believe keeps them safe by appealing to their oppressors) to take when confronted with mounting evidence of the oppression of others. It's envy over "being the underdog" and actually fighting oppressive forces.

The people responsible for this movement are largely either are a part of the oppressive force (ie they're men encroaching upon female rights and spaces, or they're heterosexual and encroaching upon gay rights and spaces), or they are marginalized people who believe that it is impossible for anything to get better, so they (again, wrongly) believe that an attack on the status quo means attacking the way of life they feel is "safest" for them).

These are people who want to believe that they're the dark horse, "fighting the good fight" and "acting on the right side of history" without actually challenging themselves, their beliefs, or the society they live in. So when they're confronted with actual marginalized people who go out of their way to confront systemic issues and talk about oppression earnestly, that challenges their comfortable little world view where they're the "good guys" and the world can be changed by doing nothing or occasionally virtue signaling.

To put it simply: It's not that we're cared about, and they're not; it's that we should be cared about, but we're not, and they know it and are just as much a part of the problem as anyone else. It's the same way with men talking about feminism (which, in many ways, is exactly why trans activism is like this--because it is largely men fighting against feminism alongside women with internalized misogyny). They resent the idea that they could be privileged, bigoted, insensitive, oppressive, etc more than they even so much as dislike the idea of others being oppressed. They believe that their feelings matter more than the safety or wellbeing of marginalized people.

They'd never admit to it, but these are people who know they're benefitting off of the subjugation of others. Men expecting unpaid and unappreciated labor from women, women expecting other women to do that labor for men in their place, straight people expecting gay people to be "fun" gays and liberate them from the conservative values constructed by straight people (and not actually be homosexual, at least not where they have to see it, and don't actually challenge the parts of regressive views on sexuality that they still personally enjoy). They want all this without the guilt of being "oppressors." Speaking out ruins their fun.

(Sorry this was so long, I just have a lot of thoughts on the topic.)

No need to apologize! I always love a new perspective on things! Who doesn't love a fleshed out counter? 💜

[fakeboitherottengirl]

Imagine being so un-oppressed that u think people not finding u sexually attractive or indulging some constructed “identity” (which is a bullshit postmodernist notion in the first place) or being told to use the facility that is built to cater to ur biological sex is oppression. Y’all understand that trans people literally ARE oppressed, right? It took my one friend months to find a home because every time she showed up and the landlord saw she was visibly trans they magically found another renter even when the deal had already been all but done until the landlord saw her appearance. She had similar trouble getting hired for a job (and not a prestigious job either, like a min wage customer service/fast food shift). A trans girl I went to school with was murdered by a man who took her home as a drunk hookup and killed her when she told him she had a penis (she probably thought she was giving him a graceful opportunity to bow out of he wasn’t interested). He didn’t kill her because she tricked him into sexual activity but because she’d “wasted his opportunity” to pick up a cis girl after they went home together according to the testimony he gave. He was sentenced to 10 years but will be up for parole in 4. My friend Jesse was kicked out of his house at 15 and lived homeless on the streets of NYC until his mid 20s because his parents couldn’t accept their trans son. “Terfs” are not the problem. People who don’t subscribe to postmodernist gender theory or lesbians who simply don’t want to suck a dick are not the ones out there making the world dangerous and hard to navigate for you. Not wanting vulnerable afab trans men forced into dangerous male spaces for the validation and comfort of Amab trans women was what distanced me from the TRA movement in the first place. But it’s not the big bad terfs who are hurting u, it’s ACTUAL transphobes who have ACTUAL hate for trans and GNC people, mostly rooted in homophobia, who u need to be using ur energy to fight against instead of wasting it doxxing children’s book authors who say that there are cases in which biological sex is a necessity to acknowledge. There ARE people who hate trans/gnc people and want to make life worse for them. Terfs are not those people. But then again it’s easier to fight disobedient women than dangerous men, isn’t it? Also for the record I have not been a radfem in ages, mainly due to my disagreement with their stance on things like PIV, compulsory separatism, and especially art censorship and controversial media consumption. Also I’m literally detransitioned. And finally, Terf is a stupid term because radical feminists never excluded trans people, they excluded MALE people, they are some of the only people I hear arguing for the protection of trans men against sex based violence in male facilities so they actually care about the safety of trans/gnc/dysphoric more than most TRAs I’ve seen do. But like I said it’s easier to pretend disobedient women are scary than it is to resist actually scary violent men isn’t it?

[rimurutempest]

transandrophobia is so awful bc there was a post about how diy testosterone / hrt hoarding is impossible for transmascs bc injectable testosterone is a controlled substance (injectable estrogen is also controlled but pills are an extant alternative) and instead of focusing on the actual issue that transmascs face the discussion in the notes was plagued with MRA rhetoric

genuinely thought this was gonna go the whole other direction. think the "they had me in the first half gif" played in reverse with the energy of moses unhugging the pharaoh in the prince of egypt, but slightly positive somehow??

for real though, it's not positive, it continues to be disappointing & saddening.

it's a similar thing to MRA shit in the end, is the problem. it should be about discussing ways to improve men's mental health & access to community support resources; medical, social, and so on. l

it should be about discussing candidly the sorts of traumas they've faced going through their journeys, in an environment that's supportive & honest & constructive.

it should be about discussing the holes in the system like the one you mention, where we do fall through the gaps, without scapegoating other trans people. without complaining about other othered, pejored, marginalized groups that we ought to treat with respect & honour & love as our siblings & allies in the systemic minefield we're all dancing clumsily around as it is.

instead we shout about how some woman bumped us slightly & what if we had fallen on a mine????

except we can see the mines. we can see them & she's absolutely surrounded by them & she didn't bump you. even if you had, you'd have fallen away from hers & there aren't any to fall on near you right now except the ones around her & she can't find a safe way through & she's losing her balance & you're screaming at her for it because you SWEAR she bumped you a minute ago & how DARE she try to PUSH YOU ONTO A MINE?

no one is trying to help her get to safety. others are gathering to shout now because she pushed you. they're shouting at her now too. her balance is getting worse & she's panicking. she's yelling back to stop it! stop it! leave her alone!

no one is trying to help her get to safety.

she's yelling at you after she pushed you? the nerve!

no one is trying to help her get to safety. she's surrounded by mines & people yelling at her. shes about to fall.

this is about how trans men are hurt by society & especially how trans women are so privileged by comparison.

this is about us. it's not about her.

no one is helping her get to safety.

other trans women push their way through the crowd, carefully lift her over the mines, and shield her from us as she retreats along a safe path.

of course they'd stick together, they always take each other's side.

we weren't going to help her get to safety.

it really is exactly the same formula. it's the same damn fight. transandrophobia is awful. as men's rights activism has been awful. it's not about constructive solutions. it's not about compassion. it's not about what's fair or what's right. it's not about truth or reason or betterment.

it's about finding the acceptable outlet for frustrations too hard to try working together to change.

& im fucking tired of that shit.

im too tired for any of that shit.

personally, im not a fucking toddler, so i have grown enough that I understand it's not all about me, and other people hurt too, and that matters & i should care about that actually, and how i can improve things for others - improve the system in a way that doesn't just benefit me; maybe doesn't benefit me at all. & that's not a downside. ʅ₍ッ₎ʃ

[aizenat]

Listening to conservative commentators “blame” the lack of a red wave this election season on things like mail in ballets and democrats being able to appeal to independent/undecided voters is wild. Tomi Lahren legit on Fox News stating, in laymen terms, that democrats won because people voted.

And they phrase it like it’s a bad thing! Oh people exercised their constitutional right to vote, something not all of us had until recently, and that’s why republicans lost. Because how dare people we don’t want voting actually vote! Like how insane do you have to be to make that your point! And to say it so blatantly. Like voter suppression is unconstitutional, but conservatives don’t care if it gets them their votes.

This line of thinking is ironically why people came out and voted democrat this year. Because the message has been that letting republicans win means the end of our democracy. The way I’ve heard that said so many times this election cycle. And then to pretty much prove that point by unironically saying “we need to get a handle on these election proceedings!”

Most people do not like trump. He lost the popular vote TWICE. Most people do not believe he lost in 2020 unfairly. Most people, especially moderates/independent voters who can go either way with their votes, do not like the culture war shit republicans keep trying to bank on. Wages are stagnant and inflation is drastically raising the cost of living. People don’t care about “big government spending” because that’s not what is making the cost of living go up (talking about Oz’s campaign in PA vs Fetterman’s free healthcare and lobbying for abortion rights which voters are going to care more about as that directly impacts them).

Republican politicians have become so out of touch, leaning into the most radical and zealous of their base instead of actually trying to relate to those moderates who want to see real change and do not like the culture war shit republicans have been running on for the last decade. Ppl are tired. They want to pay their bills, not debate who goes in what bathrooms and who should get married. The average American isn’t looking for a total upheaval of our capitalistic system, they just don’t want to be crushed by it. And at no point do you hear these republicans talking about tax breaks for the working class. They’re not talking about incentives to encourage companies to pay their workers well. They’re not talking about cracking down on predatory loans by banks or free childcare to working moms parents or safety incentives at schools to prevent mass shootings and the such.

Nope, they just want to keep running on building a costly wall that doesn’t impact the vast majority of Americans, bathroom bills when the average American not living in a metropolitan area will likely never meet a trans person, and robbing women of their right to decide not to risk their lives in childbirth. And then cry and blame trump or people ACTUALLY going out to vote on why they can’t win.

Republicans don’t stand for anything anymore. They just try to bank on “hey, at least I’m not that yuppy drinking soy lattes amirite?” But look at Fetterman! He is an Everyman! He gave speeches in jeans and a hoodie! He looks like the grumpy white men who work in my insanely white-male conservative industry and he believes in free universal healthcare! He believed in a living wage as the minimum wage! He believes in a woman’s right to choose! And you expect working class Pennsylvanians to vote for the tv fake doctor yuppy over this guy???? The guy who looks like the dude we call over to fix out dishwashers or would chat up at a car show or see down in jersey fishing for a relaxing weekend????? The guy who looks and lives just like us??????

Republicans are nuts and what they really need to get a grip on is building a case for why we would want to maintain the status quo because the longer we live in it, the less reasonable it seems.

Anyway, republicans get fucked. See you losers in 2024. ✌🏾

[bumblee-stumblee]

i think instead of focusing on the trans women who commit sex crimes in prison, maybe we should be addressing the fact that US prison systems are so unsafe for everyone, and not implying that trans women are the only ones who commit these assaults. focusing only on them paints a negative picture on the whole trans community and helps conservatives build the image that they're all perverts and should have their rights taken away. by attacking, rather than uplifting your fellow queers, we weaken the community and build divisive lines. remember; bigots don't care about the distinction between trans people and gay people, they think we're all disgusting. please, take a moment to reconsider what you've been doing and think about if it's right for people.

i hope you have a pleasant evening. i'm sorry for all the hate mail you've been receiving.

One can agree with the fact that all prisons are unsafe due not only to deteriorating and unsafe conditions but also because of the abuse of power from staff members in the forms of psychological, verbal, physically and sexual abuse and as well as other prisoners. Not to be rude and make it about US, but also that most prisoners will be forced to work and unable to refuse it.

The entire system should be reformed.

If there's somey the ACLU is doing right it's bringing to like slave labor in the prison systems

Today, more than 76 percent of incarcerated workers surveyed by the Bureau of Justice Statistics say that they are required to work or face additional punishment such as solitary confinement, denial of opportunities to reduce their sentence, and loss of family visitation. They have no right to choose what type of work they do and are subject to arbitrary, discriminatory, and punitive decisions by the prison administrators who select their work assignments.

U.S. law also explicitly excludes incarcerated workers from the most universally recognized workplace protections. Incarcerated workers are not covered by minimum wage laws or overtime protection, are not afforded the right to unionize, and are denied workplace safety guarantees.

All these things place inmates in a constant level of stress that will exacerbate an inmates mental state and underlying-

Anyways.

The rapist and murderers and child molesters on that infographic aren't trans women the majority of them are just taking advantage of self ID. Quite frankly the best way to stop predators from taking advantage of self id is to simply not allow sex offenders/rapists/murderers/ pedophiles to use them.

Or, just line them up against the wall to be honest.

We should not be allowing men that have killed raped and victimized women and children to have the right to further victimize women.

Sex based oppression is real.

And listen, this lot has already called me bigoted for saying that men and transwomen can't be lesbians. Trans women and men don't meet the criteria. I've already been labeled a bigot by lots of trans people, I've already been called disgusting and a genital fetishists by trans people. Believe me when i say the trans community has already made it divisive.