#thread; fandom character

[always-a-joyful-note]

I love how they took the theme of "not being taken seriously for her appearance" and wrote her arc around it but not her personality around it. Lily/Luoli still likes cute things, pretty things. She likes long hair! She wants to be strong. She wants to keep her hair pink. She's confident in herself and thinks it's perfectly fine, but of course she'll get angry if that's all people focus on! And she's a genius, and she's not going to sit still if people tell her to stop. She might come predisposed as cute but she ENJOYS it. And even if she has to hide her face to pursue her passion, she's not going to hide her personality and make a cute mecha suit because why not?

[wardensantoineandevka]

every time anyone that's even slightly critical of C3 calmly writes a post that's longer than 750 words in an attempt to unpack what they feel is not working in the campaign or what's happening in the fandom, there's a rash of its defenders going "why are the haters always writing these long posts all the time, we don't need anyone to be writing novels, why is the post so long. it's so ridiculous that anyone is writing essays."

personally, especially if I was trying to position myself as having intelligent and complex opinions and capable of paying attention to episodes that are five hours long on a weekly basis, I would not admit I thought 1.5k words was dissertation length.

it's especially funny because many of the same people keep stamping their feet that critics never explain their perspectives or stances, then they're mockingly dismissive when doing so doesn't fit into a tweet.

not to make it sound grave, but it's anti-intellectual, it's simplistic. above all: it's juvenile, childish, asking to be treated as a child. wah, so silly anyone could possibly have a meaningful thought that requires enough space it doesn't fit on my phone screen at once.

[danwhobrowses]

Goodness this is like the third episode in a row begetting discourse among the cr fandom. For me this discourse has two perspectives where the division depends on whose perspective you're looking at;

For the armies it was 'We've been sent by the gods and are here to help you stop Predathos as we pla-wait, you're a vessel of Predathos? Isn't that just like Ludinus planned??' which yeah is valid from their perspective

For the Hells it was 'We just came out of 4 back-to-back battles with Ludinus and Predathos itself, we have a solution to save the gods but change the dynamic but we want to discuss it privately with the gods first and now you're trying to kill us!?' which is also valid

What puts me more on BH's side is that we have the context; BH are allowed to be terse when people try to kill them and fail, least of all allies who don't ask for an explanation before asking their god to come down and smite them. They're not villains because they snarked at the person who attempted to sic their god on them, and it's not as if Imogen sic'd Predathos on them in retaliation. Once again they are met with the thankless job and burden that they neither wanted or asked for, but was thrust upon them anyway. With all the times Bells Hells have been criticized for being aimless and indecisive it seems a little strange to criticize them now for being focused and decisive.

Could they have explained from the start? Maybe. Would it have caused a different reaction the moment they said Predathos is in Imogen? Probably not. I can't tell you why they didn't come out of the Cage and immediately explain because I'm not the players; perhaps they wanted to avoid the hysteria and conflict, perhaps they were drained from the fight and wanted to wrap up the episode, or perhaps it was just down to Bell's Hells, as with all CR campaign parties, being infamously bad at communicating, I don't know.

But it's times like these where it's worth reminding that this is a DnD show, nerdy-ass voice actors having fun, it can't always be clean and clear-cut storytelling every second. And sometimes as a fandom we need to take a step back so we don't get ourselves stuck, because we're probably making it deeper than it is and getting annoyed at each other over our interpretation of two groups from the same side getting annoyed at each other. Just, take a breath.

[dia-draws]

Binding thread au

Heads up any and all of this is subject to change as I grow the idea and fledge it out but this is what it is for now. Y’all are welcome to ask abt it!

Everyone but Sally is over 18 (if I did the math right but that’s the intention) no ship war discourse under this pls and thank you💕

(1/21/25 edit) gonna have ticciwork be end game and ticcijeff just be a fling.

Hopefully I got everyone lol it’s a lot I feel fucking insane rn looking at this

Friends:

Ej & Liu

Ej & Toby

Liu & Jane

Liu & Helen

Nina & Ben

Lulu & Kate

Cody & Ben

Cody & Nat

Cody & Helen

Toby & Kate & Brain & Tim

One sided Ann towards Kate

Bffs:

Ann & Lulu

Jeff & Ben

Nina & Nat & Toby

Tim & Brian

Complicated:

Sally has complicated feelings about all the others as a ghost stuck at 10 but is technically one of the oldest.

Liu has mixed and very complicated feelings toward his brother

EJ’s feelings toward Dina is because she reminds him of his sister but she keeps trying to kill him

Dislike/hate:

Jeff & Jane

Ben and Helen

Toby & Cody

Dina toward EJ

Tim toward Jeff

Flings: (oh god there’s so many what have I done)

Ann & Dina

Ann & Lulu

Ann & Jane

EJ & Liu

EJ & Toby

Jeff & Ben

Jeff & Toby

Nina & Jane

Nina & Cody

Nina & Toby

Nina & Kate

Jane & Lulu

Cody & Ben

Cody & Kate

Cody & Helen

Nat & Toby

End goal:

Ann & Jane & Lulu

EJ & Liu

Nat & Toby

Nina & Kate

Cody & Helen

Tim & Brian

[halfbaked00q]

OH YEAH. okay one thing I DO want to talk about from Skyfall. That I think we should be talking about more. is the "he went into the priest hole for TWO (2) DAYS" thing.

I had like. known that was A Thing, but ig didn't see or forgot what it looked like. but the first look at it I was like. whoa. this is.... how do I say. like there's something visceral and primal and primitive about it just being bare rock. and I made a comment about how insane that is, and esp seeing the mine/cave-like rock and the thought of TWO DAYS down there.. that it's sth "like returning to some sort of primordial earthly womb (tomb)"

but then later they showed that the priest hole is NOT just like a bolthole. but a whole-ass tunnel system!!! EXTRA wild! what was Bond doing down there? WHERE exactly was he in the priest hold then? Was he hunkered down in some corner? Was he wandering around the caves like some sort of primordial spectre.

also there's something interesting/cool about it being like. seemed like it was just going to be a bolthole, and then they revealed it was this whole-ass tunnel system. Skyfall has a lot of maze/hidden/hiding symbolism, and there's something interesting about there being this, like. hidden earthly labyrinth at the heart/hearth/underneath Skyfall.

also the idea of baby Bond wandering a stone labyrinth under the very bones of his ancestral home after the death of his parents... and the whole when he came out he wasn't a boy anymore or whatever it was exactly Kincade said.... hmmm......... Minotaur? Minotaur vibes perhaps? I think there is something here- I think there's something to be said about hidden monstrosity/adversity bringing out monstrosity in us, plus the whole nature/nurture question of like, Bond and HIS "nature," was he born brutal or was he made brutal

(by his career, by his forging as a 00 agent, by M's machinations-- speaking of machinations. but okay god the way she. Manages him... I DO think there's a lot of interesting parts throughout the movies but there was a particular moment in Skyfall when she was like. hunt them down. for Ronson. like ggngng that was like. the emotional equivalent of those loop/stick leashes they use to capture stray dogs.... lowering the loop around his neck and tightening... and then once it's tightened she can move him around cuz it's a stick and not just a rope leash, she can literally physically lead him...) (and also the nature/nurture question of Silva's rats thing)

[bohemian-nights]

Unpopular Opinion: Every time a black female character (especially if this black female character is dark skinned) enters into a relationship with the popular fan-favorite white male character usually one of three things happen a. the black female character is now headcanoned as a lesbian (never bisexual or queer or anything that would leave the character with the possibility of still entering into a relationship with a man) b. white male character is now shipped with other popular fan-favorite white male character/other white female character (the popular fan-favorite white male character is usually headcanoned to be bisexual and when he is, shipped with a woman that woman is always white) or c. black female character (and sometimes their actresses) is now being talked about as if they are the devil himself.

Wanting characters to explore their sexuality is fine but I always find it odd how this always happens when one member of the relationship is a black/blackish woman. *forgot to mention the suddenly polyamorous relationship the three (black female, white male and white male/woman) characters are now without a doubt in*

Anon you spoke nothing, but facts right here 🙌🏽

(The only thing I’d add is that they don’t just do this when the woman in question is with a white man, see Namor and Shuri and the backlash some shippers got for shipping them).

You aren’t the only one who has been noticing this trend.

I say trend loosely because really just a new stereotype to add to the bunch😒

It would be one thing if it was a want for actual representation, but every time now like clockwork. as soon as they see a Black woman who looks like she’s going to have a romantic arc with said popular fandom man, boom she must be gay😑

Hell, it’s getting so bad that these shows/movies are automatically just writing their Black women characters in that way.

If people can’t see how this can be harmful/dangerous, that’s cool, but anytime you want to paint all of a group a certain way and won’t show them in any other setting, that’s how you end up birthing new stereotypes.

This isn’t creating diversity. It’s limiting it(once again).

It’s so all or nothing with our media representation. Black women don’t want to be shown as one thing(which seems to go right over most people’s heads).

We just want the same opportunities as everybody else and not to be put into one or two narrow boxes of acceptable characterization that doesn’t threaten the status quo(aka you can't have Black women looking desirable especially not when there is an available white woman right there next to her).

[silverhandenthusiast]

You're gonna be obligated to reblog this as a thread if you share the experience below…

~

POV: You’re now an adult or older teen and you look back at an old fandom your younger self used to be obsessed with then you realize…

It fucking sucks or you just despise it while others still like it.

Mine was Yandere Simulator….I never played the actual game even to this day but I was so obsessed with it for some god forsaken reason in middle school. I would watch youtubers play it nonstop, keep up with the game’s updates and lore, and play the many bootleg mobile games it had that were honestly better than the actual game itself.

Sakura School Simulator anyone?

What's even worse that it was how I first found out I wanted to become a WRITER.

I created my very first OCs from that damn game and they were Blasian siblings since kid me never really saw that group of mixed people represented in media (I’m also mixed but I'm not Asian). Those characters still exist to this day as important book characters, and they’re my babies who have zero traces of their origin.

I don't think you understand how embarrassing it is to tell people that the first characters you ever created were originally Yandere Simulator OCs. It took years for the traces of Yandere Simulator to be erased.

Its so crazy that something so problematic that was created by a fucking incel pdf file played such an important role in my writing origins and what I wanted to do in life as a whole.

But we all gotta start somewhere, no origin stories are perfect.

~

If you're willing to, I would love it if shared your experience on this topic. Whether it's embarrassing writing origins coming from a fandom or piece of media you don't want anything to do with anymore, or just realizing said piece of media you were obsessed with actually sucked ass and so did that fandom…

If you have the courage, go right ahead and tell us your story in a reblog or in the comments. 👍🏽

[crystal-verse]

Call Him By His Name

Thank you for fighting for this world. For believing. Fare you well, my friend -- my inspiration.

[perditus]

Starter for @possessedbyrage - Antoine

“ I have…had my run in with demons before…désolé it was as you can imagine not pleasant ” his voice takes on a nervous edge despite his efforts, his gaze drifting elsewhere. Yet there’s still a bit of intrigue to be found even in discomfort, the elf’s attention drawing back just as quickly. He places a hand over his shoulder unconsciously, where the scar still remained. “ Have you ever changed? ”

[death-and-his-maiden]

my best friend snuck up behind me with this lead pipe of a meme made specifically to call me out and the accuracy caved my skull in

[pynkhues]

I have a question about your overall thesis on motherhood and Loustat. You said the line “a wolf congratulated for not killing her pups line” was “definitely about motherhood”. As for your take on the final scene of Louis looking at a painting of a mother and daughter in a scene that’s very much about him coming to terms with his loss, as his daughter’s dress hangs in the background: “The maternal side there I can see, but I don't think it's as absolute as others, just personally.” Am I correct in thinking you believe the show suggests Lestat is more closely aligned with the role of mother than Louis in their family dynamic?

I mean, I'd argue that I don't have a thesis, anon. This isn't Tumblr University, I'm not writing dissertations, and you're certainly not peer reviewing me when you send asks like this that are pretty blatantly trying to goad me into arguing a point you want to rebut.

But no, I'll answer in good faith, and say that I think Claudia's mother is dead and that she has two fathers, and the desire in this fandom to ask 'well, which one is the mother' is just another way of asking a gay couple 'well, which one's the woman?' Neither of them are, and the fact that they don't fit into a heteronormative understanding of what a family is is, I would argue, literally the point of the unholy family.

When I talked about Lestat's line about being a wolf as being about motherhood, that - to me - is about connecting him to his past, and relating him back to his own mother, and I also think from the show's writers perspective, it's about Anne.

Lestat's mother in TVL is the one who relates child birth to Lestat killing the wolves, and it was Lestat killing the wolves that lead to his own death, as it's a part of why Magnus picks him. He is sitting on that stage now watching the death of his child, in the city he died in, in the city his mother did too. It makes sense to me that he would be thinking of his mother, who birthed five dead children, who lost two more through mob execution in the French Revolution, as his own daughter is executed. It makes sense to me that that would relate back to Gabrielle's major, arguably character-defining monologue from TVL where she talks about child birth as an act both violent and entirely isolating, so as to be like killing wolves alone in the woods, and it makes sense to me in that moment that Lestat would relate for the first time not to being the killer, but to being the thing that he hunted. It's death, violence, isolation, loneliness, birth, all things Anne relates to motherhood in TVL.

Which is to say it's thematic, not literal, because Anne - a woman, and the author of this female gothic series - was clearly interested in exploring death and motherhood as a theme, which makes sense as she herself is a mother who experienced the loss of a child. It's not about literally saying that Lestat is 'more closely aligned with the role of mother', it's a scene that - again, to me - feels like it's in conversation with the female gothic components of the books, with Anne, and with a formative experience in Lestat's life as he's on the cusp of experiencing a new one.

Regardless of that though, Lestat is Claudia's maker, but he's also his mother's maker, Louis', Nicki's, Antoinette's - it's not always a parental act. In fact, it's usually not for him, and I don't think it is for Louis who made Madeleine either. There is a blood bond there though between Lestat and Claudia that does not exist between Louis and Claudia. Does that make him her mother? I don't think so, no, but it does add a layer to their specific dynamic that Louis doesn't have with her because, again, he did not make her.

The scene with Louis and the painting and Claudia's dress at the end is a loving act, absolutely, and it's a scene that I adore, but it's also intrinsically tied to the painting of Paul, and the apartment with Armand (which inherently calls upon their fractured dynamic in Paris where Louis existed as Claudia's brother too), which to me, shifts the meaning away from motherhood specifically. Again, I can appreciate that other people read it as being maternal, and obviously I think Louis' her parent, not her brother, but in terms of the visual language of that sequence, I think it's a lot wider than some acknowledge.

So no! You are not correct in your thinking, anon. :-)

[thanatologie]

also shout out to the female oc and canon rpers out there, i see you and have the plot you crave.

[cctinsleybaxter]

The Burt and irving stuff is still the craziest to me, like obviously I loved the finale and have been chatting away about mark/helly and mark/gemma but that's in a stuffy film analysis way; thinking about Burt and Irving is more

[aureli-us]

the sebastian vael hate on twitter dot com is fucking INSANE and i hate it

[thecountesstribe]

I always say I hate getting into a fandom because of the inevitable discourse. You shippers remain some of the absolute worst part of the fandom. I'm not saying all shippers btw. The shippers who draw art of their favorite couples and “ship” different characters but also respect other people's “ships” cause y'know it's fiction and stuff at the end of the day, y'all are cool people. Just wanna say I love your unproblematic asses. You see the others, please go bite the dust. Why the fuck are you so mean? These people are NOT REAL!!!! The new season of hotd hasn't even started and y'all are already back on your bullshit. Being racist and sending death threats towards the cast and other people in the fandom and just overall being fuckin vile human beings because “your ship doesn't make sense or have chemistry or yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah” STFU!. LEAVE THE ACTORS ALONE, LEAVE THE PRODUCERS AND THE SHOW STAFF ALONE. LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE!! GO OUTSIDE AND BREATHE THE FRESH AIR, THE SHIT IS NEVER THAT SERIOUS. SEVEN FUCKIN HELLS MAN. Let's use Beth and Harry for an example, the stuff that comes from some of your accounts are absolutely vile and I wish you the fuckin worst. Then y'all love quoting “but they're not following the source material” to justify y'all being racist and nasty towards them. I have some news for you. If you read the books and not just gloss over what you wanna read you'd know that their characters were inevitably endgame had everything went right, there was no such thing as “BROKEBACK WINTERFELL”, as fun as that plot would've been, Jace and Cregan had a brotherly relationship and “Sara Snow” was just Mushroom only account and he wasn't even near or in Winterfell, so it was probably just his “fevered musings” she probably 100% didn't even exist, it was a campaign to slander Rhaenyra and her children and that's canon. Calling Bethany all sorts of vile things cause you're not in the writers room and can't write your headcanons is sick. Sending death threats to Harry is absolutely mental. Seek professional help!! Not just them alone but you get the gist. Please just try to be decent people. You don't have to like something everybody else probably likes but you also don't have to be a CUNT for no apparent reason. IT'S JUST FICTION. LET'S JUST WATCH THE SHITSHOW AND HAVE FUN.

[wizardsimper]

So I'm seeing a few people (mostly on Reddit) claim that Gale is evil from the start due to the fact that he doesn't immediately leave after raiding the grove

I'm so confused because he only stays after raiding the grove because he's desperate, if he leaves he dies and the orb blows, I can only imagine just how difficult of a decision that can be. If Gale is evil, it's because you as the player convinced him to be, similar to Shadowheart who can be swayed to be good or evil depending on your choices. At worst Gale is neutral, but even that's hard to say considering his approvals are mostly from carrying out good deeds. And even his misgivings (his desire for godhood) are coming from a place of wanting to be better for everyone (even if we know the power corrupts)

I think this sentiment is mostly coming from people who not only dislike his character, but don't bother to even interact with him, so they instead jump to conclusions.

An evil playthrough with Gale is fun, but he definitely does not start the game that way.