#Allegory of the Cave

[chabahara]

dont you know your own name

[expressingexperience]

[flagmean]

[alexandor]

"average devil summoner runs from 50 battles a day" factoid actualy just statistical error. average devil summoner runs from 0-1 battles a day. Smoke Ball Dazai, who lives in cave & runs from over 10,000 battles each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

[bookhugers]

Fun lil batman connection/theory i was thinking off!

The bat-cave is basically the allegory of the cave. With Batman using the bat-cave (batman as the identity) to hide from reality (parents death etc).

Idk if others have already thought of this but ;3

[httpschrys]

On The Allegory of the Cave by Plato

interestingliterature.com

[lostnb22]

While presenting at the Premier Trauma Therapy Conference in California, physician and trauma expert Dr Gabor Maté was asked by an audience member how someone could have compassion for those involved in the Oct. 7th attack.

Transcript:

[italics & quotes represent israeli audience member ; every other line is Dr. Gabor]

"...you talked about compassion of recognition, compassion of understanding, compassion of Truth, we are approaching October 7th when the horrible Massacre happened in Israel where young children were murdered burned babies in ovens there"

that didn't happen there were no babies in ovens "oh yes they were" - no they weren't that's been refuted even by the Israelis

...let's agree hold on let's agree on what we do agree on okay a horrible Massacre happened people - "were killed in their homes civilian" hold on a second - "raped" stay with look let's agree that was bad enough without adding stuff to it okay now I'm telling you there's been no evidence of mass deliberate rapes no such evidence "oh my gosh" I'm sorry there's no such evidence "oh yes of course there was" no there isn't "there was a woman in the.." hold on listen listen.. I'll let you finish your question

"my question is how do I find compassion for these people" which people

"the animals that did that the animals that did that"

[deep long sigh of an older highly educated jewish man]

I get your point of view okay in your point of view everything you read actually happened the way you've read it hold on a second I'm telling you what I understand your point of view to is there was mass rapes children beheaded put into ovens so on okay now objectively I'm telling you I looked at all the evidence I could there were horrible massacres let's agree on that okay there were hostages including young children and elderly people civilians that should never have been captured that were taken into captivity let's agree on that okay on the specific issues of babies in ovens and mass rapes you and I are not going to agree cuz I looked at evidence that you haven't looked at but hold on a second

let's just so let's just agree on what we do agree on okay and then let's take your question how do we have compassion for these animals

well I'm not getting into a big political rant here but I'll tell you what I think very quickly okay if I saw the world from the perspective that you see the world from I would 100% agree with you but that's not how I see the world that's not how I see the world number one [Applause] number two I've been to Palestine two and a half years ago I went there to work with Palestinian women whove been tortured in Israeli jails which has been documented by Israeli Physicians for human rights by B'Tselem the the Israeli human rights organization by United Nations and others nobody ever talks about the thousands of Palestinians did you know that two Palestinian doctors were tortured to death recently by Israel doctors tortured to death

now my question to you is and and I'm not going to go into the history this is not the place for it but I have a different view of the history I used to see it the way you do I don't anymore I'm not going to I'm not going to go into I do see the history cuz this is not the just just let me finish honest to God I'll let I'll let I'll give you the last word I promise you I do promise to get there okay history did not begin on October the 7th and and here's what I know most of my fellow Jews now in Canada you know I mention the residential schools in Canada four years ago there was a poll a national poll now thousands of children died in those schools people were tortured all kinds of stuff not even controversial there was a poll in Canada 70% of Canadians four years ago said they knew nothing or little about their residential schools to what happened to indigenous people if you do a poll in the United States based on all the Hollywood movies that people have seen until very few years ago and even now most people will know nothing about what happened to the indigenous people here nothing the genocide the torture the rape the starvation they know nothing about it and in some states in United States it's illegal to even to teach it in the schools

do you think the average Jew knows anything about the indigenous people of Palestine

[applause] now just a second just a second so these animals that you talk about you know the first massacre of Palestinians in Gaza didn't happen last year didn't even happen four or five years ago when they killed hundreds of children with their bombs it happened in 1956 just let me second it just a second in

in 1956 they massacred 200 civilians do you know about it

do you know about it you've never heard of it of course you haven't heard of it that's why you can call them animals otherwise you'd see them like human beings like the rest of us

anyway I'm done go ahead "yeah so human beings can murder and rape and name and cut breasts of women that's okay" no it's not okay "well that's that's the message you're giving" did I say it was okay "that's the message you're giving that's the.." okay how many how many of you heard me say that it's okay to rape and kill people raise your hands [not shown on film, implication is zero people raised their hands] ...by the way how do you feel about how do you feel about the the the rapes of Palestinian women by the Israeli Army in 1948 "that's a false" no it's not "yes it is" no it's not you know you know what you want to believe me read the Israeli historians "well we differ in our opinions I lived it" no no I can give "I live it" I can give you the names "let me tell you one thing in United States we teach kids [audience boo's] I'm sorry you will let me finish in United States we teach kids how to be in [audience boo's grow louder] be in in fire alarms"

okay I'm done now this is what happens people is you and I don't live in the same world but let me tell you one thing this is not about you and I okay

there was a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust called Edith Edgar have you ever heard of her okay she's a therapist here in California she was on the same train to auschwitz as my grandparents okay no no okay I'm talking I'm telling you something now okay

I'm not debating with you anymore you and I don't live in the same world we don't you're a good person good heart we don't live in the same world

just let me finish Edith was in the same train to auschwitz as my grandparents her parents were on the same train my grandparents didn't survive her parents didn't survive either she did and at some point in her book called The Choice which is worth reading she goes back to um burkhoff I think which is Hitler's lair in the Bavarian Alps and she goes back there to forgive Hitler okay and she says not because it's okay what Hitler did but because I didn't want to keep him prisoned in my heart anymore

so I'm not here to preach forgiveness but I'm telling you

that place where we call other people animals if you want to live there that's your choice I don't want to live there I want to understand people I want to understand what happened to them I want I want know why they behave the way they behave I'm not into justifying taking civilian hostages

I said that was unjustifiable why you didn't hear me I don't know

I said there were massacres that shouldn't have happened why you didn't hear me I don't know

you know why you didn't hear me because you live in a bubble that's why

[kiynania]

Monkie Kid:

The show where we make allegories literal

[courseyoulovemeyoudontknowme]

The Matrix (1999, Andy and Larry Wachowski)

07/11/2024

[47-possums-in-a-trenchcoat]

Matthias Helvar is so The Allegory of the Cave coded

[dorothygale123]

Okay, so, I just watched season 5 of Lego Monkie Kid, and I have some things to say. Namely, how the main antagonist has ties to Greek philosophy. Any spoilers will be under the cut, so continue at your own risk.

So, I the climax of the season, the 9 Headed Demon talks about himself and the other inhabitants of the world as living in a cave created by Nuwa, knowing the sun exists but fearing it and not wanting to go out. The only one who does is him, and the others call him crazy after he returns from the outside.

This has striking similarities to a thought experiment by Plato called the Allegory of the Cave. In this allegory, Plato describes prisoners that are chained in a cave (obviously), but they are also facing a blank wall with light coming from behind them. All they know and understand of the world is the shadows that flicker across the cave wall. This is supposed to represent the fact that our own perceptions of reality are limited and biased, as we can never truly see everything for all that it truly is. As humans, we're simply incapable of processing something on that level of magnitude.

Plato also describes a prisoner that escapes the cave and sees the world for what it truly is and goes back to tell the other prisoners what the world is like. The other prisoners, only knowing the cave, think he's crazy and fear the outside. In some versions, they even kill the escaped prisoner for trying to free them, prefferring the safety of the cave to the unknown outside. In Plato's allegory, the escaped prisoner is a philosopher who has left the 'cave' of preconceptions and tries to see the world as it truly is.

LMK's interpretation seems to posit that while the cave is different from the outside, the experiences and people inside it are valid and have just as much a right to exist as whatever is outside the cave. It also put the escaped prisoner, the 9 Headed Demon, in an unusually antagonistic role. Most stories I've seen that use the Allegory of the Cave imply that getting out of the cave and seeing the world in full is the best option, but the world outside LMK's 'cave' seems dangerous and nigh incomprehensible. It's actually the first time I've sided with the prisoners that want to stay inside the cave.

After all, if the only thing outside the cave is Cthulu I'm staying in here!

[miseria-fortes-viros]

girl trying to have a conversation with some acquaintances realizes that the average person has no idea who plato is and does not have anything to say pertaining to the allegory of the cave and how it translates to modern social media usage

[cabasasa]

English project.

Before color:

After color:

Also a close up on my fav part.

[wouldyourfavepaychildsupport]

Would Plato's Allegory of the Cave pay child support?

[periwinkle-amaranthine]

sigh.

i keep thinking about plato's allegory of the cave. one of my favorite things. light and shadow and enlightenment and all that. because sure, there is certainly a state of enlightenment somewhere. but what would that state be? what defines light? what defines shadow? can they be defined? who are we to define either?

is it a state of morality? is it a state of happiness? i keep thinking about the life i want to live and how far away i am from it right now. how i both want to be successful and prominent but also run and hide and never worry about a thing again. it's like life and death. is that, too, a version of light and shadow?

i think plato treats the light, this world of enlightenment, like it is the ultimate good. i know many people think the same way, that there is one proper way to live a good life, a life of light. but there is a nuance to it, like there is to everything. light and dark are not opposites. light and dark are the extremes of a spectrum. do opposites even exist? that tunnel to the light plato speaks of is a gradient. what if i get stuck in the tunnel? what if i always was in the tunnel, looking down on the truly depraved but not worthy enough to be accepted? lonely on either end.

and neither side can pull me out of it. it is a tightrope i walk between the proper life people want of me and the lovely potential of a life i could live for myself. i say let people be happy where they are. you can turn someone's head toward the light, but plato, here is where you are wrong—not everyone chooses to walk toward it, even if you broke every shackle chaining them to the life they have, the life they know, or the life they want. and it is not your job to force them. it is not your duty to condemn them simply because you walk a higher plane of existence. i don't think the gods everyone speaks of do so. they welcome us with loving arms, do they not?

sometimes a preacher of the light is worse off than a lover of the dark. it's all perceived. there is no enlightenment. only a spectrum of greys.

whatever.

[nietzsche-mustache]