#Batman: Beyond the White Knight 1

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Shoutout to my favorite Jason variant I am ur number one fan

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Batman: Beyond White Knight no.1 • cover art • Sean Murphy [Mar 2022]

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Movies

Hi, Barbie.

Barbie

Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse

Goncharov

Nimona

Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery

Red, White, and Royal Blue

Lord of the Rings -3

Black Panther +24

The Addams Family

The Super Mario Bros. Movie -4

Knives Out

Puss In Boots: The Last Wish

Oppenheimer

The Hunger Games

Avatar: The Way of Water

Guardians of the Galaxy

Shrek

The Little Mermaid +15

Scream -1

Top Gun: Maverick -1

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem

Everything Everywhere All At Once +7

Saw +14

Twilight -13

Wendell & Wild

Howl's Moving Castle -6

The Hobbit -3

Five Nights at Freddy's

Enola Holmes

My Policeman

Deadpool -8

How to Train Your Dragon +12

Beauty and the Beast +16

Avatar

Scream VI

Bottoms

Mean Girls +6

Megamind -4

Metalocalypse: Army of the Doomstar

Spirited Away -10

The Batman -38

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

Venom -34

Les Misérables

Encanto -44

Iron Lung

Coraline

The Thing

John Wick

Strange Way of Life

Blue Beetle

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Legally Blonde

Frozen -14

Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves

Ghosted

American Psycho -7

Princess Mononoke

Dune -49

The Princess Bride

Teen Wolf: The Movie

Star Wars: Episode III—Revenge of the Sith -21

Pacific Rim

Renfield

Shrek 2

Saw X

The Old Guard -29

Nope -47

Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse

Night at the Museum

Soul -26

The Mummy

The Nightmare Before Christmas

My Little Pony: Equestria Girls

Hellraiser

The Lost Boys

The Marvels

Emesis Blue

The Shape of Water

The Menu

My Neighbor Totoro

Shazam -40

Sonic the Hedgehog -66

Pirates of the Caribbean -48

The Hunger Games: Catching Fire

Elemental

Lilo & Stitch

Fight Club

The Dark Knight

The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes

The Princess Diaries

The Incredibles

Halloween Ends

The Lorax

10 Things I Hate About You

Heathers

Kung Fu Panda

The Devil Wears Prada

Rise of the Guardians

Birds of Prey

The number in italics indicates how many spots a title moved up or down from the previous year. Bolded titles weren’t on the list last year.

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Peacock Au Part 1

Okay so Big Huge credit to @stealingyourbones for letting me do my own take on their amazing eldritch Danny idea!!!! This started out as me just doing a drawing but then I ended up with a whole DPxDC fic that I'll be posting the part two for at some point!!! Anyway, here's the vague designs:

And here's the part one of the fic under the cut!!! :D (Edit: Part 2 is Here!!)

There’s a Lazarus Pit forming underneath Gotham. Normally, this would not concern John Constantine at all, because it’s Gotham, therefore Bat territory therefore not his problem, and honestly he has his own things to worry about. Unfortunately for him, however, the infamous Dark Knight has somehow gotten it into his head that he can do something about it and, Hell, he’d said it would be a ‘big favour’, which meant the man really must be desperate; had to have been in the first place, he supposed, to have even bothered with John in the first place. 

Still, he’d almost kind of forgotten what a huge mess any kind of favour for Batman could be, and thus, he now holds possession of a book that is probably going to get him killed. 

Whether the actual book itself wants to kill him is up for debate, but Constantine has read the contents of this particular Book of Summonings and nothing in here seems remotely safe. He’s absolutely going to be hiding this away somewhere deep in the archives of the archives of the Justice League watchtower with an incredibly pointed ‘DO NOT TOUCH’ on it once he’s done with this, but for now, it’s the only thing he’s got in the way of sorting out this Pit problem. 

There’s an entity that exists, this book claims, that keeps the balance between realms. ‘Closes doors’, apparently, and the doors the pages depict certainly look like a Lazarus Pit. This is brilliant news, obviously, but the book doesn’t describe the entity itself at all beyond that; barely any of the other entries are as vague as this, and that plus some of the frankly bizarre sigils he’s having to draw to summon the damn thing are giving him no comfort. The only remotely comforting thing about it is that the ritual doesn’t require any blood- which either means the entity is benign, or it wants something more valuable than blood. 

…Okay, maybe not that comforting, actually. 

But, before he can consider that maybe this wasn’t his best idea and backing out would be for the best, the sigils flare with light, and Constantine squints to keep track of the way they activate, desperate for any indication of what he’s managed to summon with that stupid book. 

His feet feel feathery against the ground, like they’re barely tethered by gravity and just waiting to float away, and perhaps the seeming lack of atmosphere is fitting with how dust like stars lift from the summoning circle, bringing with them intercepting layers of purple-blue-pink-white, galaxies and nebulae being peeled off the floor. It comes with a sound- something whistling, almost. Seeming hollow, between a shriek and a bell ringing, or maybe more musical than that. It seems to change every moment he tries to focus on it, as if it’s something his ears can’t really hear but his brain is desperate to process, painful to try. 

And then, the entity begins to form. 

Unnoticeably at first, a white glow drifts forming in the centre. It congeals as Constantine’s gaze finally fixates on it, layers forming like jellyfish trails, or flowers, or peacock feathers with runic circles at the tips, fading smaller and smaller as they reach the centre, and a thing akin to a body unfolds into view at the front, a centrepiece. A child’s image of a shadow in opalescence, a strange curving feature where a neck might be, and searing-green spots of varying sizes scattered along the space where cheeks and eyes could’ve been, fading up and down across the lower-half of the ‘face’ and into the ‘hair’. He barely understands what he’s looking at, but maybe that’s the point. 

The sound of a thunderstorm rings across the room, and the curve of the neck unfolds, and it’s an eye, and the tips of a thousand twisted, cosmic peacock feathers become eyes as well, if they weren’t always. They move, wavering, either lashing or flickering from visibility. 

“And what is this?” The voice is a kaleidoscope, echoing off and from every corner of the room, and when they speak, infinite eyes become infinite mouths, too many teeth barely contained by the edges of what seem vaguely like frostbitten lips. To have something even remotely human suddenly etch itself onto the entity is somehow worse than the parts he can’t comprehend. “Who are you, to have summoned me, and seem so afraid?”

Constantine wishes, maybe for the first time, that it hadn’t been an obligation to do this alone; he’s never wanted Batman or one of the Light members with him more than now. It’s a difficult thing, almost impossible, to shake off the speechlessness. It’s a wonder that it’s possible at all, with how the room seems to have been twisted into a vacuum. “I was told you could- you could help with the pits?”

“The pits. There are many pits.”

God, this is creepy. “The Lazarus pits to, uh, to be specific. There’s a huge one cropping up under Gotham that’s not supposed to be there, and the local- I mean, the locals are getting antsy about it. …I heard you can take care of them.”

“I can smell its blood between the gaps of atmosphere, encircling. You, whose soul is bound in so many directions, who may be pulled apart like meat in time- can you sense it? Does it draw you?” John doesn’t know how this- this thing knows that, but he’s scared asking will invoke some kind of consequence, and more and more he’s wondering why the Hell he decided to do Batman this favour. He feels exposed. 

“Uh… no, I don’t think so. But can you fix it?”

“Yes.”

“…Will you fix it?”

The chill is getting to him. Goosebumps are running across his arms like a livewire, and he’s never doing anyone a favour ever again. The entity makes an approximation of a hum, his ears shriek with whale song and stars, and after a pause, everything switching up and down on itself, the peacock eyes form into huge, reaching hands. For a second, Constantine’s whole body freezes with terror, because he’s petrified the thing’s going to grab him, but then the arms tumble phasing into the ground, and the green spots on their ‘face’ flare with a supernova glow and they make another piercing noise, chiming or trilling. 

A long moment later, the hands slowly return to the entity’s back, and fade into the peacock feathers or jellyfish bells or whatever they were before, blinking at him. “It is gone.”

“Uh… cheers?”

“It will not return, but this place shall see its dead for some time. Try not to look.”

This is maybe the worst day of Constantine’s life. “Can I- uh, yeah, great advice. ‘Appreciate it. But, can I ask just, y’know, what you are? Or not.”

“That is up to you.” They say, and though the eyes that appear briefly between sentences bely or reveal no expression, it feels scrutinising. “What is it that closes doors? Is it alive?”

He hates riddles. He hates riddles and he hates cosmic horrors and he hates eldritch entities and he hates Batman for getting him to agree to this horrible favour. He wants to go back to the House of Mystery and pass out for long enough that this whole thing becomes a dream. “Fair enough! Forget I asked- cheers for sorting out that pit, though. Uh, don’t suppose you’ll just let me go on my way or anything now.”

“I know of your Bat.” 

Oh dear. Constantine’s stomach sinks like a shipwreck into the Mariana Trench, but the entity moves on like they’d never even said it. “I will recede, and find you in time, perhaps both. You will know when I am coming, and I will find my recompense.”

And just like that, their whole form shimmers into clouds and pearls and smoke and mirrors, and they fade back into the runes that summoned them like tap water down the drain. The galaxies they’d formulated within the confines of the room fold back in on themselves and turn to whispers and then nothing, but the feeling persists on his skin long after weight has settled back onto his bones. He hadn’t known a thing like that existed until now. He doesn’t know what it can do, doesn’t know how all-encompassing it truly is. 

And he owes it a favour. 

Crap. 

[umbylievable]

top 6 batjokes moments

These are in no particular order because it was hard for me to choose just a few BUT:

1) All the gay shit they had going on in beyond the white knight. Honestly I could pick 5 moments out of #5 alone so we'll just lump them all together.

2) When they teamed up to take down the Batman Who Laughs

3) The gimp mask?????????? Like Bruce this was so horny of you

4) Any and all adaptations of Under the Hood because Bruce is given a choice between the joker or Jason and he chooses the joker every time

5) This particular panel

And I know you meant top 5 but BONUS 6TH MOMENT:

6) Not canon but anything drawn by @frijolebean makes me feral

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Batman: Beyond the White Knight #1

[wrdn-tabris]

BATMAN BEYOND/TERRY McGINNIS; a reading list

So, you're interested in the Batman of the future! A series which takes place in the far off year of... 2039? Listen, the original show came out in the nineties, you gotta give it some slack.

Hopefully here I've compiled a nice list of the comics, as well as any extra appearances of Terry, Batman of Neo-Gotham.

Who is Terry McGinnis?

Terry McGinnis is our seventeen year old protagonist. He meets Bruce Wayne after the old man helps him in beating back a gang who take after the late Joker, and in helping Bruce into his manor discovers that he was formerly Batman. After his father's murder, Terry steals the hi-tech batsuit in order to hunt down the people responsible for his death. In doing so he sees Gotham for how corrupt it really is, and becomes the Tomorrow Knight and Batman of the future.

Where to start?

The best place to start is with the 1999 animated series of the same name. It takes place firmly in the DCAU, alongside Batman: The Animated Series and The Adventure continues, Superman TAS, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

The show goes over three seasons, with cameos in a spin off called The Zeta Files (which only ran for a season) Static Shock (ep, Future Shock) and Justice League Unlimited (The Once and Future Thing; part 2, Epilogue) and a movie, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.

While the cameos are more optional, you don't really need to watch them, though Epilogue is treated as the 'end' of both JLU and Batman Beyond. ROTJ also has two different versions, a censored and uncensored one.

You can watch it on WatchCartoonsOnline, though I'd be a little careful with using that site. If you also have MAX, it should be available for streaming on there.

Comics wise, I apologize for not putting individual issues. I've also included links to readcomicsonline for each comic.

DCAU Tie-In Comics

These tie in directly with the show, and as far as I know, were released at the same time.

Batman Beyond I

Batman Beyond II

Superman Adventures #64

Unlimited and 2.0

The unlimited and 2.0 comics take place post show, and are in the same universe as the DCAU so I personally consider it canon to the series.

Batman Beyond: Hush Beyond (2010)

Batman Beyond: Industrial Revolution (2011)

Batman Beyond: 10,000 Clowns (2012)

Batman Beyond Unlimited

Batman Beyond 2.0

Justice League Beyond

Justice League Beyond 2.0

(and optional, the Superman Beyond comics. I think Terry only has some cameos, but it's always fun to hang out in the world a little bit with different characters)

Superman Beyond 2011

Superman Beyond 2012

N52 Futures End and Rebirth

Futures end is... personally, I'm not a fan. While Terry isn't Batman for the entirety of 2015, 2015 takes place in the aftermath of futures end, while Rebirth is the aftermath of 2015, only a few months later.

N52 Futures End #1-17 #18-30 #31-48

Batman Beyond (2015)

Batman Beyond Rebirth

Neo-Year

A reboot of BB, Urban Legends #7 and Neo-Year set off as Terry's own personal sort of 'year one' as Batman, one without Bruce. I'm personally highly enjoying it so far, and I feel like it does treat his character very well. Neo-Gothic is currently on-going.

Urban Legends #7

Batman Beyond: Neo-Year

Batman Beyond: Neo Gothic

Optional Individuals and Cameos

Batman #700

Superman/Batman 2010 Annual #4

Milestones 30th Anniversary A story with Static and Terry

Batman 2016 #135

Countdown #21 (Just a brief cameo)

Justice League vs The Legion of Superheroes #3

Batman: Beyond the White Knight

This is as comprehensive of a list as I can get, including almost every appearance of Terry's that I can think of. I hope that this helps anyone who is interested about Terry, he's personally one of my favorite characters and I think he's really fun and compelling.

[northoftheroad]

Dick Grayson's Robin suits, Part Two

In the Fantasy AU comic Dark Knights of Steel (2021). Tales from Three Kingdoms # 1 (2022). The Flock, writer Jay Kristoff, art Sean Izaksee, colour Romulo Fajardo Jr.

Harleen # 2, writer and art Stjepan Sejic (2019).

The webtoon Wayne Family Adventures Episodes 35 and 74. Writing CRC Payne, inks Starbite.

Batman One Bad Day: Mr Freeze # 1 (2022). Writer Gerry Duggan, art Matteo Scalera.

Dark Crisison Infinite Earths # 7 (2022). Script Joshua Williamson, art Daniel Sampere and more.

Batman: Beyond the White Knight (2022) #6 by Sean Murphy 

Dick with temporary superpowers, in Batman Superman World's Finest # 25 (2024) by Mark Waid and Dan Mora.

See a lot more Robin suits in Part One

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Cover Iconography in Batman: The Knight

I've been wanting to make this post forever after I keep noticing new things about the B:TK artwork, so here it is! A comprehensive post of things in the Batman: The Knight covers that make me crazy beyond belief. This isn't meant to be a definitive "this is what the covers are supposed to be!" post, and is more just my interpretation of them.

The one thing about the covers is that I think is the most notable at first glance is the continuous presence of a lone bat silhouette in 9/10 of the issues. I've roughly outlined them below.

Issues #1-#9 feature some variation of a bat within them, somewhere in the background for most of them. The only instances where they appear in the foreground are in issues #1 and issue #8. (I switched #7 and #8 on accident, so if you can't see, #8 is in the bottom left corner </3) Issue #1 features a literal bat, whose ears you can just barely see peeking out at the bottom, while issue #8 creates a bat outline with the combination of blades + Bruce's face. Issue #8 is less significant than issue #1 in this aspect, because issue #1 directly links to the last issue's cover.

Issue #10 is the first and only issue to have a literal, fully-fledged bat depicted on the cover without it solely appearing in some form of a silhouette. (There's a vague bat silhouette behind it as well, but I forgot to outline it my bad LOL) Issue #1 gives us a look at a bat, perhaps the same one shown in #10's cover, and outlines Bruce's overall journey prior to becoming Batman. He's starting out in issue #1, while issue #10's cover comes full-circle and indicates that he's ready to begin his work as Batman. We're also all (hopefully) familiar with the notable Window Bat that smashed through Bruce's window and gave him the idea to be bat-themed in the first place. #10's cover is most definitely a link back to that, and it pleases me!

The second half of what makes the covers so goddamn insane to me focuses on the covers of issues #4, #5, and #6. The other 7 covers are primarily black/red, with hints of white. These three issues, however, are the opposite. They're primarily white/red, with hints of black. If you're overwhelmingly familiar with the exact content of these issues like I am, you're probably already catching on. If you haven't, then let me explain :3

Although Bruce interacts with Khoa in issues other than #4-6 (he's in #8-10 as well), those three issues effectively outline the beginning of his and Bruce's relationship. They meet in issue #4, are seen doing everything together in issue #5, and effectively "break up" in issue #6. The presence of white in these covers directly correlates to Khoa, whose color palette is white to contrast Bruce's primarily black palette, both with their regular clothing and suits.

The covers of issues #4-6 are almost overwhelmingly white, likely in a direct representation of how Bruce himself feels about Khoa; he allows himself to get close to him, and Khoa/the color white begins to bleed into his life, overwhelming Bruce/the color black. Khoa flooded every aspect of Bruce's life to the point where it got brighter in the most literal sense, with the covers becoming more white. After Khoa leaves him, Bruce states that "he's alone and his heart is shattered all over again." We see this shift in their relationship depicted directly in the following covers (#7-10), which are significantly lacking in white compared to issues #4-6.

So, TLDR; DC says Bruce Wayne doesn't like men & then goes and imply that meeting Khoa changed Bruce to the point where he saw Khoa reflected in his surroundings. This is mostly a joke but also I just genuinely cannot get over the fact that the damn covers changed just because of Khoa.

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The Lost Tales of Cassandra Cain

With every comic book character there are stories that aren’t approved or slipped thru the cracks of being published. Here are the ones that involve Cass.

The Lost Batgirl Vol. 1 Story

- We’ll start with the most “finished” lost tale involving Cassandra Cain is one that was meant to be in her ongoing (probably #38 given the context of the story). has several official pages finished and inked. Not only that but the script was published online (it was written by Paul Storrie).

Here’s what we know the plot involves Charaxes (the post-Crisis Killer Moth  Drury Walker who went by this particular name after the “Underworld Unleashed” event when he sold his soul to become a moth creature), him targeting a child who’s deaf, and is Cass’s only confrontation with Killer Moth (until Batgirls #9-12. I mean we sort of got that in Tec Knights, but Basil crashed Killer Moth’s plan in that, not Cass. Plus she wasn’t Batgirl then).  

Not only does the story delve into the history between Batgirl/Killer Moth it also tackles Cass learning ASL. An angle not touched upon until Young Justice Targets #3 recently. 

Several pages of the script by Storrie were drawn by artist Javier Saltares (Ghost Rider, G.I. Joe) and inked by Rob Leigh. It’s unknown how much of trhe story Saitares/Leigh drew and inked. What is known, is that in the early 2010s Saitares put a bunch of these pages up on eBay for auction. I personally bought a page but here are the ones I could find as well:

You’ve probably seen this story elsewhere too, because in 2010 artist Lynne Yoshii used the script and redrew the whole story.  Lynn did an amazing job basically filling the portions that were missing: Here are a few:

The Missing Filler Detective Comics Issue

- Our next “lost” tale takes place probably around early 2009 and was meant to be a filler issue in Paul Dini’s Detective Comics run.  This one was written by Chuck Dixon and would’ve tied into his Batman & the Outsiders run at the time. Not much is fully known of the story save it was announced by Dixon on the Word Balloon podcast (from December 2008). 

For Cassandra, it would bridge the gap to Batman & the Outsiders Vol. 2 #2 of that series and her last prior appearance, Robin #162. Explaining Bruce's renewed trust in Cassandra, after you know-- the heel turn, getting injected with Slade juice, and--  a rather bad time for Cassandra Cain. 🙃🙃 🙃🙃

Six months later though, Dixon would leave Robin and Batman & the Outsiders. Now, this is where it relates to Tim/Stephanie. Robin #177 of Robin would have originally dealt with Cluemaster finding out she was alive (a lost tale in itself). This however, got a cover (and there’s probably art of that floating too if this much got thru) by then series artist Freddie Williams II:

Of course, you know the rest of the story. We instead got Batgirl Vol. 2 aka Batgirl: Redemption Road and Cassandra was given a set-up arc in B&O to establish "the Network" which would later become Batman Inc. Then get utterly forgotten when the series relaunched to just "the Outsiders".

It’s possible Dixon does have an outline to this saved. But given how crazy he’s become. I’m not one to ask him, but if anyone is brave. Be my guest.

The meeting we wanted but never got. - Robin #-183

- However this leads us into our next “lost tale” that would’ve been in Robin ongoing series. The writer who replaced Dixon, Fabian Nicieza, confirmed that had Robin lasted beyond #175-183 (the series’ final issue), he would’ve had Cass guest star and find out Stephanie Brown was alive. 

But.. the series ended at #183 and Tim would become Red Robin. Cass would meet Stephanie, but it was extremely MEH reunion in Batman & the Outsiders Vol. 2 #13.

Now, if you want to see a fan version of this. Well, I wrote a script that artist Eileen Widjaja captured to perfection just this year:

Failed Pitches

White Canary series by Billy Tucci. 

- Yes, there was an ongoing series by Tucci that would’ve starred Cass. For those who are unware of the identity. The White Canary was introduced at the main antagonist of the first arc of “Brightest Day” Gail Simone’s relaunched Birds of Prey #1:

After the arc ended rumors began to swirl that Cassandra Cain would be getting the identity and enter Tucci writing a spinoff series as well (covered by Bleeding Cool). 

Cue Heroes Con 2010 and at a DC panel the question was asked with Senior Story Editor Ian Sattler and Billy Tucci himself attending the panel (sadly the Newsarama link I originally found is down but if someone can find it I’d be grateful). Here’s a clip of the quote though:

"They are also holding off on using Cassandra right now. Misfit will be seen later down the line. An audience member wanted to see more Cassandra, but Sattler insisted that they didn't want to rush her into the story and just want to time it right.”

Cue C2E2 2011 a year later. The prelude to Black Bat as it were. Tucci was a guest and I had to ask the question myself. He did confirm there was a series pitched.

He'd keep Cass basic, using her skills as a fighter and no real tech at all save the standard grapple gun, which is standard in all vigilante equipment. Why would she need gadgets? When SHE IS THE WEAPON.

And if you don’t believe me, here’s the commission I got from him at said convention of Cass:

So, accidentally given how many have asked him to draw Barbara, Tucci had screwed up the pose (hence why Cass is on her tip-toes as he was drawing Babs in the high-heels). He did course-correct the art.

Not just a day later, it was then announced that Gates of Gotham #1 would feature the return of Cassandra Cain. Though as we now know how it all played what happened. 

So what really happened? My theory? A mixture of The New 52 and her becoming Black Bat more than likely scuttled the idea. Or DC being DC when it comes to Cassandra. We will never know the answer. At the very least, I can fully confirm that Billy Tucci was pitching a Cass ongoing at the time. Oh what could’ve been (or maybe not given Tucci has gone equally crazy like Dixon):

Angel of the Bat

- You know this one by heart at this point. 

This was Gail Simone’s 2006 pitch after Batgirl Vol. 1 was about to end. We didn’t get that, and instead we got well... this for “Robin OYL”:

🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

There are a few more story pitches that I know but haven’t dug deep enough or asked about the stories at conventions. Nor do I want to reopen old wounds as most of these ideas were prior or during the “New 52″ era.

Gail Simone had a few (but they more or less materialized into Future’s End: Batgirl #1). Kyle Higgins wanted Cass to appear in Nightwing during his run (instead all he could do was be allowed to put in a deleted fight scene he wanted to put in Gates of Gotham but instead used in the “Court of Owls” x-over). We all know Scott Snyder wanted to use Cass and was spited numerous times over during his Batman run.

Fabian Nicieza had a few ideas involving Cass that would’ve focused against Cricket (the villain he introduced in Red Robin #25), Bryan Q. Miller wanted Cass to be featured in the second half to Batgirl Vol. 3 if it had continued Cass would’ve appeared as both Black Bat and a time displaced version of herself as Batgirl (along with Barbara) teaming up with the Blackhawks and Skeets in World War II. We saw this idea teased at the end of Batgirl Vol. 3 #24:

Finally, there is Grant Morrison, who wanted to use Cass when Batman Inc Vol. 2 launched. It’s unknown what they had in mind but they and artist Chris Burnham did poke fun at DC replacing Steph with Babs in their second run:

Not only that but Mad Dog (Cass’s evil brother) did appear in this run as well. But that’s a story for another time... 

Black Bat Ongoing (late-2012 or 2013)

- So we have an entry to this list that has recently come to light. Artist Dean Zachary has revealed that there was a Black Bat ongoing pitched during the “dark era” of when Cass was listed as “toxic” between 2011-2013. 

Zachary has several concept sketches of this ongoing pitch posted of Cass, Shivasaurus, Batman, and Bronze Tiger. 

So the first arc of this ongoing was going to be this, per Zachary himself: 

“The drawing was meant to suggest that Cass defeated Shiva so badly that she took the villain's Mask as a trophy. The League of Assassins were taking the streets from law enforcement and only Cass and Ben could stand against them.  Shiva sent her Prize Student, Richard Dragon, to either convert or remove Cass and Ben as defenders of Gotham.  Mayhem ensued.  Editors at DC had "other plans" for Cass and company at the time. ”

Course any Cass fan knows that “other plans” lingo of DC all too well. Now how was I able to pinpoint the exact time when this pitch was given? Well, with help from a good friend (and Lady Shiva expert). We can pin point this pitch was made in 2013 (or earlier). 

The reason we can is because that’s when Ben Turner was walking around in his New 52 design in 2013:

The design would be used for an Red Hood & the Outlaws arc that would infamously tie with Shivasaurus getting K.O.ed by Jason Todd easily in it for that year. 

So I find this story pitch fascinating for several reasons because there were some creative folk STILL actively trying to keep Cass canon at DC even with the New 52 going on (which said otherwise).

I find the whole concept of a Ben/Cass team truly some potential as the two were retconned to be master/student  before Batgirl Vol. 1 ended. Which gave us this panel: 

It’s also curious how this would’ve led into a villainous New 52 Richard Dragon which again did occur but in the Green Arrow comics under Jeff Lemire’s Green Arrow run:

Zachary still found a job elsewhere so there was no skin off his back for the pitch failing. But still expresses interest in a Cass solo. 

- Another LOST Cass story slipped under my radar in July until today. Former series artist Rich Leonardi tweeted back in early July several unpublished drawings he did and two feature Cass in them. 

Given the focus of the story is Nightwing it does feel like a continuation writer Devin Grayson at that time was using Cass to further her sibling bond with Dick (aka #81 of that series). 

However, it could be a lost Batgirl story as Dylan Horrocks did leave much on the table (a lot of pent up tension between the two due to Babs/Dick breaking up around this run) when he exited the ongoing due to “War Games” event. Whatever the case, let’s just take in the glorious Leonardi Cass art:

[batbunker]

Bruce & Jason in the black & white preview for Batman: Beyond the White Knight Presents: Red Hood #1 (Simone Di Meo)

[takaraphoenix]

Two passions of mine are lists and family trees/next generations. One of my bigger gripes with the Fandom Wiki is that they will put absolutely everything to be a character category... aside from “next generation”...

So, I’m making my own list of next generation characters from all over the multiverse. Which is ungrateful, to be quite frank, due to how hard they are to find if you haven’t met them personally in a comic yet.

Which brings us to this post. Consider it a WIP as well as an ask for help. If you are as interested in next gen characters as I am, look at the shiny list! If you have read comics including next gen characters not listed here, please tell me the source and name so I can add them!

(Listed in braces behind are home Earth and continuity; if nothing is listed, it’s a child from the main continuity. Also, the list is in alphabetical order by hero alias, so if you want to just check a particular hero, that’s where you’ll find them.)

Children of Aquaman / Arthur Curry / Orin

With Mera:

Arthur Curry Jr. (New Earth main continuity; dead and also erased)

Arthur Joseph ‘AJ’ Curry (New Earth main continuity; erased)

Andrina ‘Andy’ Curry (main continuity since Rebirth)

Arthur Curry Jr. (Earth-12; Batman Beyond; listed separately because this one does not die in infancy but lives to be an adult)

Marina/Mareena Curry (Earth-12; Batman Beyond)

Eldoris Curry (Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Artur (Earth-16; Young Justice cartoon)

Children of Aqualad / Garth

With an unnamed mother:

Tula (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

With Dolphin:

Cerdian (New Earth main continuity; dead and also erased)

Children of Batman / Bruce Wayne

Adopted Children:

Richard ‘Dick’ Grayson

Jason Todd

Timothy ‘Tim’ Drake

Cassandra ‘Cass’ Cain

With an unnamed mother:

Bruce Wayne Junior (Earth-3839; Batman/Superman: Generations)

With Diana Prince:

Stephanie ‘Stevie’ Trevor (Earth-3839; Batman/Superman: Generations; stepdaughter, biological daughter of Steve Trevor)

With Talia al Ghul:

Damian Wayne

Ibn al Xu’ffasch (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Athanasia al Ghul (Earth-49; Injustice)

With Selina Kyle:

Helena Wayne (Earth-2/Earth-203/Unnamed Earth of Batman/Catwoman)

Aion (Alternate Future; Batman in Bethlehem)

With Kathy Kane:

Bruce Wayne Junior (Earth-154; Super-Sons)

Stepchildren, with Harley Quinn:

Bryce Quinzel (Earth-616; White Knight)

Jackie Quinzel (Earth-616; White Knight)

Due to Amanda Waller’s cloning of his DNA:

Terrence ‘Terry’ McGinnis (Earth-12; Batman Beyond)

Matthew ‘Matt’ McGinnis (Earth-12; Batman Beyond)

Children of Batwoman / Kate Kane

With Renee Montoya:

Jason Todd (adopted; Earth-24; Bombshells)

With Maggie Sawyer: Unnamed Daughter

(Earth-24; Bombshells)

Children of Black Lightning / Jefferson Pierce

With Lynn Stewart:

Anissa Pierce

Jennifer Pierce

Jacob Pierce (Earth-118; Dark Knights of Steel)

Children of Bumblebee / Karen Beecher

With Malcolm Duncan:

Rhea Malia Beecher Duncan (Earth-16; Young Justice cartoon)

Children of Cyborg / Victor Stone

With an unnamed mother:

George Marvin Stone (Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Children of the Flash #1 / Jay Garrick

With Joan Williams:

Judy Garrick (retconned into the main continuity as of The New Golden Age)

Bartholomew ‘Barry’ Allen (Arrowverse; The Flash TV show; Jay Garrick and Henry Allen as well as Joan Williams and Nora Thompson are confirmed to be doppelgängers, technically making Barry the child of Jay/Joan)

Children of the Flash #2 / Barry Allen

With Iris West:

Dawn Allen

Donald Allen

Nora Allen (Arrowverse; The Flash TV show)

Bartholomew ‘Bart’ Allen II (Arrowverse; The Flash TV show)

With Jessica Cruz:

Jason Allen (Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Jenny Allen (Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Nora Allen (Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Children of the Flash #3 / Kid Flash / Wally West

With Angela Margolin:

Iris West (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Bartholomew ‘Barry’ West (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

With Linda Park:

Iris ‘Irey’ West II

Jai West

unnamed/unborn baby

Children of the Green Arrow #1 / Oliver Queen

Adopted:

Roy Harper Jr.

Mia Dearden

With Chloe Sullivan:

Jonathan Queen (Earth-167; Smallville TV show)

With Dinah Laurel Lance:

Connor Queen (Earth-49; Injustice)

Laurel Queen-Lance (Earth-11)

Olivia Queen (Earth-22; Kingdom Come/Earth-11)

With Felicity Smoak:

Mia Smoak-Queen (Arrowverse; Arrow TV show)

With Samantha Clayton:

William Clayton (Arrowverse; Arrow TV show)

With Shado:

Robert Queen Jr. (New Earth main continuity; erased)

With Sandra Hawke:

Connor Hawke

Children of the Green Arrow #2 / Connor Hawke

With presumably a version of Bonnie King:

Cissie King-Hawke (Earth16 - comics-verse, not cartoon verse, so the continuity of The Just)

Children of Harley Quinn / Harleen Quinzel

With an unnamed partner:

Unnamed Daughter (Earth-12; Batman Beyond; mother to Harley’s grandchildren, Deidra and Delia Dennis)

With Pamela Isley:

Unnamed Child (Earth-24; Bombshells)

With the Joker:

Lucy Quinzel (Earth-49; Injustice)

Bryce Quinzel (Earth-616; White Knight)

Jackie Quinzel (Earth-616; White Knight)

Children of Nightwing / Robin #1 / Dick Grayson

With Barbara Gordon:

John Thomas Grayson (Earth-2)

James ‘Jimmy’ Grayson (Earth-616; White Knight)

With Koriand’r:

Mar’i Grayson (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Jacob ‘Jake’ Grayson (Alternate Future; The New Order)

With Unnamed Mother(s):

Elainna Grayson (Earth-12; Batman Beyond)

Thomas Grayson (Alternate Future; Generation Lost)

Children of Red Arrow / Arsenal / Speedy / Roy Harper

With Jade Nguyen:

Lian Harper

Children of Supergirl / Kara Zor-El

Adopted:

Lucy (Unnamed Earth; Last Daughters)

With Brainiac-5:

XTC (Earth-22; Kingdom Come; inofficial name of the character)

With Clark Kent (in-vitro):

Kara Junior (Unnamed Earth; Created Equal)

Children of Superman / Clark Kent / Kal-El

With Diana Prince:

Bruce Kent (Unnamed Earth; Distant Fires)

Jonathan Kent II (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Three more unnamed children (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Jonathan Kent II (Earth-686; Dark Knight Returns)

Lara Kent (Earth-686; Dark Knight Returns)

Unnamed son (Unnamed Earth; Act of God)

Zod-Ur (Earth 12; Batman Beyond; though he is the biological son of E12!Diana and E50!Clark and fostered by E12!Clark)

With Linda Danvers:

Ariella Kent (New Earth main continuity; erased)

With Lois Lane:

Jonathan Samuel Kent

Jonathan Kent (Arrowverse; Superman & Lois TV show)

Jordan Kent (Arrowverse; Superman & Lois TV show)

Christopher ‘Chris’ Kent (Earth-16 - again, The Just comics, not YJ; their son in YJ is a version of Jon)

Clark Kent Jr. (Earth-154; Super-Sons)

Jorel Kent (Earth-2020; Superman 2020)

Joel Perry Kent (Earth-3839; Batman/Superman: Generations)

Kara Kent (Earth-3839; Batman/Superman: Generations)

Jason White (Unnamed Earth; Superman Returns movie)

Adam Kent (Unnamed Earth; Created Equal)

Hunter Prince (adopted; Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Children of Wonder Woman / Diana of Themyscira

With Clark Kent:

Bruce Kent (Unnamed Earth; Distant Fires)

Jonathan Kent II (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Three more unnamed children (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Jonathan Kent II (Earth-686; Dark Knight Returns)

Lara Kent (Earth-686; Dark Knight Returns)

Unnamed son (Unnamed Earth; Act of God)

Zod-Ur (Earth 12; Batman Beyond; though he is the biological son of E12!Diana and E50!Clark)

With Steve Trevor:

Hippolyta ‘Lyta’ Trevor-Hall (New Earth main continuity; rewritten to no longer be either of their child/Earth-2)

Vicki Trevor (Earth-34; Wonder Woman: Amazonia)

Ettie Trevor (Earth-34; Wonder Woman: Amazonia)

Stephanie ‘Stevie’ Trevor (Earth-3839; Batman/Superman: Generations; also Bruce Wayne’s stepdaughter)

With Steppenwolf:

Donna of Amazon Island (Earth 2)

With the Darkness:

Hunter Prince (Alternate Future; Justice League: Legacy)

Children of Wonder Girl / Troia / Donna Troy

With Terry Long:

Jennifer Long (stepdaughter; New Earth main continuity; dead and also erased)

Robert Long (New Earth main continuity; dead and also erased)

Children of Zatanna Zatara

With John Constantine:

Zatara II (Earth-22; Kingdom Come)

Raven (adopted; Earth-24; Bombshells)

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Dick Grayson’s Nightwing Suits (2/2) - Elseworlds/Multimedia Edition

Dick has appeared in quite a few Elseworlds (non-canon comic universes) and Multimedia projects. Most of the suits used in fantasy settings seem to take much of their inspiration from Dick’s early more flamboyant costumes. In recent years, he’s also worn jackets in two separate Elseworlds and one video game.

This isn’t a complete list of all Elseworld and Multimedia suits. A lot of Elseworlds suits are quite similar to the fingerstripes suit while cartoons have the habit of using a bird emblem.

Brothers of the Night Designed by: Michael William Kaluta (drawn by various) First Appearance: JLA: Riddle of the Beast (2001)

Riddle of the Beast is a fantasy adventure DC describes as their version of Lord of the Rings. The regalia and warrior suit Dick wears are clearly meant to draw parallels to Dick’s early suits with their focus on midnight blue and feather-esque stripes of gold.

Facets Designed by: Scott Lee First Appearance: New Titans Annual #10 (1994)

In their version in ‘Facets’ the New Titans rise in a magical world of sword and sorcery. Here too Dick’s warrior suit is largely inspired by the Mulletwing suit, which was his suit at the time. Even though the golden wings seem functional, they aren’t.

Unused Kingdom Come Suit Designed by: Alex Ross First Appearance: None

Dick Grayson appeared in Kingdom Come as the original Red Robin but, apparently, there were plans to make him Nightwing. The black suit has a dramatic cape and a beaked hood. A large golden bird emblem stretches over Dick’s chest. Alex Ross later repurposed the suit and used it for a Nightwing Chris Kent design.

Gotham City Garage Designed by: Aneke First Appearance: Gotham City Garage #4 (2018)

In Gotham City Garage, Nightwing doesn’t wear anything but a leather jacket with some clothes. A variation of his iconic symbol has instead been inked onto his chest. Because of his connection to Catwoman, the emblem is a cat. 

Batman: White Knight Designed by: Sean Murphy First Appearance: Batman: White Knight #1

Sean Murphy has designed a few different suits for Dick, but this is the one that truly features what a Nightwing suit needs. Apart from the jacket with emblem and suit combo, Murphy notably gives Dick a triangular mask. It also incorporates the bird emblem that The Next Batman Adventures popularized.

Futures End Designed by Sean Chen First Appearance: Batman Beyond (2016) #40 (2020)

Unlike most of Dick’s suits, the Futures End suit features a much narrower chevron. It is underlined by a kind of angular u-shape.

The Next Batman Adventures Designed by: Bruce Timm & others First Appearance: The New Batman Adventures S1 E2

The Next Batman Adventures marks Nightwing’s first appearance in a cartoon. This Nightwing suit is notable for its use of a chevron in the shape of a bird. This design element has since been incorporated into several other designs, including Nightwing Rebirth’s and Bruno Redondo’s suits for the comics.

Young Justice The Animated Series Designed by: Phil Bourassa (Lead Character Designer) & Various First Appearances: Young Justice S2 & S4

Unlike the comics, where Dick’s suits have gotten darker over time, in Young Justice Dick starts out with a small bird crest before changing to a suit with a large chevron and fingerstripes, though the blue is darker. The same trend can be observed in the DC Animated Movie Universe.

Harley Quinn the Animated Series Designed by: Shane Glines & Alex Wilson First Appearance: Harley Quinn S3 E2

The Harley Quinn Nightwing suit is much brighter and lighter with a large, light blue chevron and a blue-collar, but the most original aspect of this design is not the suit at all - Dick has brown skin, something which the Rom had previously only been drawn with for a brief time in the 2000s by Gregory Wright. This was quickly changed, as in Nightwing’s first appearance in the Harley Quinn tie-in comics he has pale skin.

HBO Titans Designed by: Laura Jean Shannon & Joyce Schure First Appearance: Titans S2 E13

The Titans suit is currently the only live-action version of the Nightwing suit. Though Dick Grayson has been featured in several live-action movies and shows, he is almost always Robin, not Nightwing. No other character has held Nightwing in a live-action adaptation.

Gotham Knights Designed by: Laura Jean Shannon & Joyce Schure First Appearance: Gotham Knights (2022)

Dick’s latest video game suit incorporates him wearing a jacket as well. While the Arkham Games gave him the neutral chevron, Gotham Knights is using the more modern bird head in combination with it.

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Batman: beyond the white knight issue #6 gave us many info on Dickbabs on this alternative universe.

1. According to the Bat himself, Dick and Babs started met on college before Barbara became batgirl

2. It was Bruce who revealed their identities to each other after witnessing them being in love

3. On the current timeline they have a son together, named Jimmy ( from his awesome grandpa Jim Gordon)

Look at this cutepie!!

4. While Dick and Babs are curently separated he still trusts her a lot. On this specific scene he's entrusting Jason Todd to her, after the latter attacked him:

Bonus alternative cover of this issue showing Dick and Barbara together on their earlier days:

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Art Credit to Tyler Kirkham

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ComicList: DC Comics New Releases for Wednesday

August 23, 2023

Absolute Sandman Overture HC (2023 Edition), $150.00

Batman Beyond Neo-Gothic #2 (Cover A Max Dunbar), $4.99

Batman Beyond Neo-Gothic #2 (Cover B Christian Ward Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Batman Beyond Neo-Gothic #2 (Cover C Hayden Sherman Card Stock Variant), AR

Batman Detective Comics Volume 5 The Joker War TP (2018), $24.99

Batman The Adventures Continue Season Three #7 (Of 8)(Cover A Juan Ferreyra), $3.99

Batman The Adventures Continue Season Three #7 (Of 8)(Cover B Cliff Chiang Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Batman The Adventures Continue Season Three #7 (Of 8)(Cover C Rafael Albuquerque Villain Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Batman The Adventures Continue Season Three #7 (Of 8)(Cover D Hayden Sherman Card Stock Variant), AR

Batman The Brave And The Bold #4 (Cover A Simone Di Meo)(Knight Terrors), $7.99

Batman The Brave And The Bold #4 (Cover B Kael Ngu)(Knight Terrors), $7.99

Batman The Brave And The Bold #4 (Cover C Otto Schmidt)(Knight Terrors), $7.99

Batman The Brave And The Bold #4 (Cover D Mike Deodato Jr. Blue Beetle Movie Variant)(Knight Terrors), $7.99

Batman The Brave And The Bold #4 (Cover E Jay Anacleto)(Knight Terrors), AR

Dark Knights Of Steel #12 (Of 12)(Cover A Dan Mora), $3.99

Dark Knights Of Steel #12 (Of 12)(Cover B Ejikure Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Dark Knights Of Steel #12 (Of 12)(Cover C Jorge Molina Card Stock Variant), AR

DC Connect #40, AR

DC RWBY #7 (Of 7)(Cover A Meghan Hetrick), $3.99

DC RWBY #7 (Of 7)(Cover B Mirka Andolfo Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Green Lantern Corps By Peter J. Tomasi And Patrick Gleason Omnibus Volume 1 HC, $150.00

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover A Ivan Reis & Danny Miki), $3.99

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover B Caspar Wijngaard Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover C Giuseppe Camuncoli Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover D Ivan Reis Darkest Hour Neon Ink Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover E Darick Robertson Homage Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover F Mico Suayan Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors #4 (Of 4)(Cover G Ivan Reis Black & White Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Action Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover A Rafa Sandoval), $4.99

Knight Terrors Action Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover B Mirko Colak Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Action Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover C Tyler Kirkham Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Action Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover D Vasco Georgiev Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Action Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover E Crystal Kung Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Angel Breaker #2 (Of 2)(Cover A Matteo Lolli), $3.99

Knight Terrors Angel Breaker #2 (Of 2)(Cover B Ivan Tao Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Knight Terrors Angel Breaker #2 (Of 2)(Cover C Stephen Segovia Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Knight Terrors Angel Breaker #2 (Of 2)(Cover D Chuma Hill Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Angel Breaker #2 (Of 2)(Cover E Matteo Lolli Black & White Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Detective Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover A Riccardo Federici), $4.99

Knight Terrors Detective Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover B Bernard Chang Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Detective Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover C Kyle Hotz Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Detective Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover D Marco Santucci Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Detective Comics #2 (Of 2)(Cover E Kyle Hotz Black & White Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Harley Quinn #2 (Of 2)(Cover A Hayden Sherman), $4.99

Knight Terrors Harley Quinn #2 (Of 2)(Cover B Jenny Frison Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Harley Quinn #2 (Of 2)(Cover C Tula Lotay Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Harley Quinn #2 (Of 2)(Cover D Derrick Chew Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Harley Quinn #2 (Of 2)(Cover E Sweeney Boo Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Titans #2 (Of 2)(Cover A Yanick Paquette), $4.99

Knight Terrors Titans #2 (Of 2)(Cover B Alvaro Martinez Bueno Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Titans #2 (Of 2)(Cover C Christian Ward Card Stock Variant), $5.99

Knight Terrors Titans #2 (Of 2)(Cover D Javi Fernandez Card Stock Variant), AR

Knight Terrors Titans #2 (Of 2)(Cover E Jorge Corona Card Stock Variant), AR

Penguin #1 (Cover A Scorpio Steele & Stefano Gaudiano), $3.99

Penguin #1 (Cover B Brian Bolland Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Penguin #1 (Cover C Nathan Szerdy Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Penguin #1 (Cover D David Marquez Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Penguin #1 (Cover E Kael Ngu Card Stock Variant), AR

Penguin #1 (Cover F Nathan Szerdy Card Stock Variant), AR

Riddler Year One #6 (Of 6)(Cover A Bill Sienkiewicz), $4.99

Riddler Year One #6 (Of 6)(Cover B Stevan Subic), $4.99

Riddler Year One #6 (Of 6)(Cover C Jock), $4.99

Riddler Year One #6 (Of 6)(Cover D Martin Simmonds), AR

Robin And Batman TP, $16.99

Unstoppable Doom Patrol #5 (Of 7)(Cover A Chris Burnham), $3.99

Unstoppable Doom Patrol #5 (Of 7)(Cover B Mikel Janin Card Stock Variant), $4.99

Unstoppable Doom Patrol #5 (Of 7)(Cover C Alan Quah Card Stock Variant), AR

WildC.A.T.s Volume 1 Better Living Through Violence HC (2022), $24.99

Wonder Woman Black And Gold TP, $24.99

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Batman #134 (Cover F Tom King April Fools’ Card Stock Variant)(Tom King Signed Edition), AR

Joker The Man Who Stopped Laughing #7 (Cover E Tom King April Fools’ Variant)(Tom King Signed Edition), AR

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Batman: Beyond the White Knight #1