thank you for calling out that homophobic post! can't believe they would block you and then complain on their blog about it being a "flytrap for terfs" rather than acknowledge and address their blatant anti-gay sentiments.
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Super eloquent response where op examines their worldview and how they might be unintentionally agreeing with homophobic talking points (“it’s Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve”)
Jk they scream TERF!! And pretend that’s an argument so they don’t have to do any self reflection
Anyway, I can 100% believe it, because it happens over and over and over and over. Gender ideologist is homophobic, people call them out, they scream “TERF!” And don’t take the concerns to heart.
And I say, let them. Let them be blatantly homophobic. Let them disregard the concerns this raises. Let them show how utterly unwilling they are to support homosexuals. Let them show how they demand our undying worship and support, yet will throw us under the bus for their own selfish purposes.
Because that’s how people, at least gay people, leave them behind. That’s how we “peak”. It’s how I “peaked”! Literally what happened is I read this essay, agreed, saw the comments calling the writer an evil transphobic terf…and realised that gender ideology and its followers conflict with the interests of homosexuals (of course I’d already been questioning it and seeing the homophobia and sexism. This was just the nail in the coffin).
It’s funny because they lament about how many “cis gays” are “terfs”, but then they pull stunts like this; completely dismissing concerns of homophobia and calling gays “terfs” for either just being gay or for calling out their homophobia/homophobic tendencies. They consistently prove that they are not our allies (and that they don’t want to be), then wonder why we want nothing to do with them.
If the OP is reading this: I am a lesbian before I’m what you’d call a “terf”. All you’ve done is show that you refuse to hear a homosexual out about homophobia, because what she has to say makes you uncomfortable and/or ruins your fun. And you’re one of the many TQ+ people/supporters who act this way, which ultimately pushes people away from your cause, not towards it.
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Ok here’s my two cents that no one asked for on the current (sort of?) debate going on in the Creepypasta fandom on here rn.
For starters, I grew up with Creepypasta. I also grew up mentally ill. I am also autistic. So I know my way around good and bad mental health rep at this point. And to be honest? A lot of the original stories DID suck balls at representation or just horror writing in general.
However, nowadays I see other people on here, often mentally ill or any other social outcast, taking these characters and reshaping them as their own to fit their own feelings and experiences, and I don’t think anyone has the authority to criticize things like that. Cringe culture is supposed to be dead anyways, nevermind the fact it’s inherently ableist at its core.
We also need to take into account kids still exist in the fandom. Pre teens who got tired of shit like scooby doo and wanted something more “mature” or “edgy” to get into without fully going off the deep end into full blown horror movies. At least that’s how it was for me. Not everyone, especially someone who’s younger, is gonna be comfortable with the grit and gore a lot of Creepypasta “purists” are pushing for these days, and that’s okay! When a fandom gets popular it’s always inevitable and unavoidable to have the popular characters get two dimensionalized.
There’s also the whole mascot horror thing that I don’t wanna get into, but I’m 90% sure that also plays a part in the old favorites like Jeff and slenderman being brought up again. They were and still are recognizable characters. Recognizable characters aren’t a bad thing. Making horror more approachable for younger audiences isn’t a bad thing. People having their own interpretations based out of their own experiences isn’t a bad thing.
Some of us grew up and wanted the more edgy and reality based content, and that’s also not a bad thing! But neither side should be dictating or policing how the other enjoys content in this fandom. If you personally don’t like the way something is written, characterized, depicted, or drawn, no one’s forcing you to look at it. No one’s claiming it as canon. No one’s asking for you to accept it as the end all be all.
At the end of the day this fandom was built on OCs and personal depictions of stuff. I can’t name a single character or story in this community that was created by some outside party like a movie or TV studio FIRST (because I know some got so popular they breached the fandom and got their own shows/movies/comics/etc). Everything here was created by someone who wanted an outlet for their creativity, or their pain, or their coping, or whatever else.
Realism and dark headcanons aren’t bad, and neither are any of the headcanons out there who just wanna make a goofy found family of social rejects as a form of escapism.
A 13 year old drawing a fictional layout of a fictional mansion where these fictional characters live isn’t going to suddenly invalidate the horror, I promise, it’s not that deep and it never was.
A 22 year old making a dark comic on the realistic origins of Jeff who is a fictional character in a fictional world isn’t going to suddenly invalidate the more softhearted side of the fandom.
Sure, there can still be a split if people are so adamant about that, but as someone who personally enjoys both the brutal horror side and the “haha Jeff is 15 and gay” sides equally, y’all need to at least learn to be civil to anyone who has a different headcanon than you. And if that seems like too much still, the block button exists for a reason.
TL:DR this fandom is based entirely off OCs and headcanons and people can do whatever the fuck they want because none of it is real and horror comes in many shapes and sizes and intensities and no one should be bashing anyone on their headcanons or views or rewrites or whatever else.
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Actually wait I think I have more to say-
Horror, like any genre, has NO AGE LIMIT. And by that I mean, if someone younger wants to delve into scary stuff, they should be allowed to do so without criticism. I personally grew up on “child friendly” horror media like Scooby-Doo, and the older I got the more horror I wanted to experience.
There’s no right or wrong way to “understand” horror, and I frankly think it’s ignorant and stupid to say if you don’t fully “understand” something, then you shouldn’t be involved in it at all. Horror isn’t always about gore and unspeakable violence and the eldritch entity that wants everyone’s skin inside out. That’s why horror has sub genres for fucks sake. Gut wrenching brutality against innocent people isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and that’s okay!
However, bashing anyone’s tamer headcanons, or calling anything anyone interprets differently than you “stupid”, that’s not okay. God, I feel like an exhausted parent giving this lecture to fellow adults, but this really needs to be said and stressed.
I am an adult. I like when stuff in the fandom takes a dark turn. But for nostalgia’s sake, I also love the fanon so much, because that’s what I was exposed to.
And for fucks sake if it comes down to picking sides, I would rather stick with the part of this fandom that gives zero shits how you see a character as long as you’re having fun.
You can have your serial killer 30 year old Jeff and your canon-accurate-to-that-one-image eyeless Jack, but don’t shit on other people if they don’t want the same thing. Your interpretation isn’t canon, and neither is anyone else’s for that matter.
Realistic, dark, gritty Creepypasta isn’t a new concept, and neither is “adult” Creepypasta. And by the way, Creepypasta was never stated to be for adults. That’s like saying kids and only kids can eat trix cereal. It sounds that stupid on paper.
Let people interpret things the way they wanna interpret. No one is infringing on YOUR character ideas. Creepypasta has no age limit, nor a set way the horror has to be presented. Those who do continue to claim that just sound like pretentious assholes.
Very small side note, I personally think it’s inappropriate and rude to keep using Toby as a “bad example” of mental health rep when the creator has stated multiple times the character is old, not researched, and not even in the fandom anymore. Leave the poor guy alone.
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I’m actually gonna make one more extra hot & spicy take while I’m here because this is where I’m at today apparently…am I the only person feeling a bit uncomfortable with all the discourse that headcanoning ed as illiterate is racist? I think the criticism is well intentioned, but the way the argument is being framed feels like it’s veering too far in the opposite direction and I kind of want to talk about it.
I made a much more detailed breakdown here that I don’t feel like rewriting but I mean…it’s the 1700s and class is a huge aspect of the show. it makes a point that class marginalization (and related racism) is a violent oppressor that the characters cleverly fight back against—that the things they were denied as a result of the status they were born into has no bearing on their brilliance, and that social climbing isn’t really all that (cue the fickle crowd Ed once longed to be a part of). I do think Ed can read based on details in s2 and I get wanting to defend the details of the show—but generally, I don’t think that headcanoning illiteracy of a guy who’s from a culture that was forced by colonial powers to use written script under the paternalistic assumption that written traditions were superior is racist imo…and the implication of conflating intelligence with the written word feels…not great. being illiterate is a neutral trait, especially in the time period and context of this show…Ed’s not less of a genius for not speaking ecclesiastical Latin, right? so I don’t really understand why literacy is treated so differently.
Like, again—I don’t think it’s an intentionally racist take, but I’m feeling weird about the angle that pits communication styles against each other. Infantilizing Ed for being illiterate? Yeah, that’s a problem that I’ve seen perpetuated in fandom. but idk…I know these characters are written for and by a contemporary western lens, but viewing everything from said contemporary western lens such that all people are presumed to need to utilize written language to operate in the world is like. a little white-saviory uncomfy to me. because whether or not he can read has no bearing on Ed’s status as a genius tactician. It wouldn’t make him inferior if he couldn’t. And saying that signs point to him being able to read based on show details can be done without creating this dichotomy.
if I’ve misinterpreted all this please correct me!! just needed this out of my brain
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I don’t see a lot of HC’s or depictions of Michael where he’s really quiet (or selectively mute) which is sort of surprising to me. Idk, maybe I’m not looking hard enough but I think it’s a cool idea!
I mean, is the silent protagonist of most of the games. He talks twice that I can think of, before he accidentally kills his brother and once in a weird speech where he’s vowing to find his father. But the first thing is before the incident that would probably prompt his silence and the second I’m not sure if that even actually happened? Like who is he talking to? That might just be for the player, but even if it isn’t that’s just one time and he’s monologuing. Other than that he’s completely quiet throughout the games even as he’s having his shit rocked by animatronics.
I personally think it’s really cool when characters don’t talk or are super quiet in media. I think that it makes sense for Michael and I personally imagine him being super quiet after the bite of 83. He’s traumatized obviously, and also doesn’t really have anyone to talk to anyway.
I don’t know, just something I’ve thought about.
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