#TW Grooming mention

[kiwisandpearls]

“This fiction could be used to groom minors!”

I hate to break this to you but literally any type of fiction can be used to groom minors. Even “unproblematic” fiction.

[wxrmeaterz]

"The future is plural" movement from endos is CONCERNING

regardless of the fact they do not believe you require trauma to be a system (medically impossible) this proves they want to groom kids into identifying as endo and spread their medical misinformation further.

as well as causing real systems to believe they dont have it bad enough to be "traumagenic" (the only "genic you can be. this language is bullshit im just using these terms to explain their shit), preventing them from getting real help. they are WIDELY anti-recovery.

their misinformation has ALREADY endangered real systems medically as they have made professionals skeptical of a medically proven disorder, a disorder that is already very stigmatised.

outside of just endogenic misinformation, this statement leads to the idea that they want to traumatise kids to make more systems.

ENDOS ARE FUCKING DANGEROUS

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

dream stans still baffle me it’s just. at what point does it get too much for you? at what point is the line crossed? i know there’s nothing i can say that hasn’t been said before but.

the allegations just keep coming out. the things he did on stream to tommy, to tubbo, to tubbos 14 year old sister. he took advantage of people who were supposed to be his friends, more and more victims keep coming out about what he did. there’s solid fucking evidence, and a lot of it.

all his friends are leaving him. do you think it’s just some big elaborate prank? that everyone collectively is just making this up?

at what point is it too much for you to defend him? cause if you haven’t reached that point by now, i don’t even know what to say.

[areus-in-a-little-cave]

I am so fucking angry about Dream stans (mostly on Twitter, though they are here) being like “can you BELIEVE people are upset that a minor 😱😱😱 was messaging with an ADULT!! LMAOO wait until they get into the real world and find out that 17 year olds can be friends with 25 year olds. Next they’re gonna call Tommy messaging Schlatt dangerous!!”

It was not that she was 17 and Dream was 20. The age gap was not the issue.

It was that Dream had a position of power over her and abused it. 

He knew he had this position from the very start, as she was a fan of his and their first messages with each other was her telling him how much his content had helped her through depression.

[Image ID: a screenshot of an Instagram direct message to Dream that reads “Hi, the chances of you seeing this are very slim, but I wanted to let you know that your content makes me sooo happy. Ive been really depressed lately, all thats going on in the world and in my life and your videos give me one more reason to stay. You know how people type “LMAO” and dont actually laugh? I actually sit in bed laughing when im watching you. That means a lot [Unclear emoji]. Love you Dream!❤️ -Amanda”. Dream replied and wrote “aw thank you for the kind words :)”. End ID]

This means that he knew full well that her wellbeing was somewhat dependant on his content. She says that his videos gave her one more reason to stay alive.

He confirmed that the Instagram messages are real. 

[Image ID: a screenshot of Dream’s twitlonger regarding the allegations that reads “The second thread had instagram dms from me, again, having friendly normal conversation and nothing inappropriate. I believe these message are real as well. Once”. End ID]

Thusly, the Snapchat messages that haven’t been deleted are, without a doubt, real, because he tells her the name of his private Snapchat in the Instagram messages. They cannot be ignored.

It is incredibly inappropriate for Dream to message her on Snapchat knowing that she was 17 and a fan at the time and that messages can easily be erased. That on its own would be uncomfortable, but he was talking to her in a flirtatious manner.

[Image ID: a screenshot of a Snapchat message by Dream/Clay that is a reply to a video sent by Amanda that reads “ur gorgeous as fuck”. End ID]

This is not normal, friendly behavior. Especially with a fan who is underage and has said that she is emotionally invested in his content.

This is predatory. Several girls have come forward. This proves that Dream not only has more than once, but likely will again, use his platform and power to engage in sexual relationships with underage girls.

He cannot have a platform anymore.

Please, read this post about the Snapchat messages, this post about why Tommy messaging Schlatt and other CCs was completely different, and these two threads about his response to the situation (thread one) (thread two) and how it was manipulative and more focused on his audience rather than adressing the allegations. 

This thread includes most of the information regarding the situation.

[semi-sentient]

fuck you emily and fuck you pansear and fuck you sc mods. youre all stupid assholes. imagine trying to HIDE SOMEONE BEING GROOMED AND FUCKING DEFENDING THE GROOMER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. IF YOU SUPPORT EMILY OR PANSEAR OR THE SC MODS FUCKINF UNFOLLOW ME. BETTER YET BLOCK ME. I DONT WANR TO ASSOCIATE WITH ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES AFTER WHAT THEYVE DONE.

edit: guys, i just wanna say i acknowledge the pansear doc. and im sorry abt the “#fuck pansear” tag on some of my other posts. i responded with anger and lashed out because of the situation, especially sense it involved one of my friends (putting this on both of these posts just so people know!!!!!)

[infernothechaosgod]

I really find it intresting how dream isn't really a content creator anymore, he's more like a Pest desperatley trying to live off attention at this point

Like even back during the Dsmp days where stuff should be thrilling for him he didn't make much content on his own, he showed up sometimes in lore but outside of that he didn't do really...BEASICLY ANYTHING?

And now dsmp is over and dude didn't do anything for like a year, usualy there would be an explanation for why the chanel owner isn't active, like an accident, a burn out or simply a break or hiatus

But we didn't get any info on that from dream dude Just stopped uploading one day but still had the audacity to argue with people on Twitter and do the most moraly wrong things possible

So can we really call him a content creator anymore? He says dumb shit on twitter and makes "I love minErs" jokes on tiktok

Can we really call that content?

(Also reminder that we shouldn't call him the creator of dsmp or at least the main one, because he came up with the idea with bbh sapnap and george and BBH WAS THE ONLY ONE PAYING, Dude named the smp after himself and didn't even pay)

[purpleflameb0i]

A slightly rushed comic about how some of the headmates need a little reminder from time to time.

-O (he/him)

[ID: A five panel, black and white comic featuring LL and O. LL is a bug, and has a circular head, two wide eyes, no mouth, a cloak, and two antennas. O is a human, and has long fluffy hair, rectangular glasses, a mustache, and a sweater. In the first panel, LL is sitting down. She has tears in her eyes, and a thought bubble next to her says, "It's only emotional neglect and abuse." The second panel shows her still sitting, her eyes slightly closed in sadness. The thought bubble says, "The grooming was only two weeks." The third panel shows her with her eyes closed, and O leaning over at her side. He's looking at her. Her thought bubble says "It was only..." The fourth panel shows O with his hand on LL's shoulder, with LL looking startled; her eyes wide open. O has a speech bubble that says, "Hey." The fifth panel is some text reading, "Your trauma was enough." End ID]

[wc-confessions]

Given that Curlfeather is older than Splashtail and had been the one to come up with the plan, my headcanon is she groomed him (in terms of power, not s*xually, just to be clear.) She is about 5–6 years older than him and Splashtail is like 1 year old.

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[noritaro]

this is the funniest fucking thing i ever read coming out of the periodic selfcest discourse

[grotesque-butler]

ETA: i have since learned that my interpretation of kuro was slightly wrong, as in this post i refer to sebastian as "the villain" when that is,,, completely incorrect. my posts in the future will not have this error.

rant/vent post because i'm tired of everything.

about a week ago i was sharing my excitement for the new kuro anime in a discord server im in (that has nothing to do with kuro), and i come back to find that one of the members had expressed their discomfort for the anime because it "sexualizes children" and "romanticizes grooming". this felt like a fucking punch to the gut because not only is it such an anti take, it genuinely made me feel so shitty because kuro is my main hyperfixation and people talking shit about it made me feel like garbage.

first of all, yes, kuro does sexualize ciel. a lot, actually. and i'm sorry you were uncomfortable about that, but sexualizing ciel is actually the main point of the story. kuro is mainly told through the eyes of sebastian, who wants nothing but a meal. it is told from the eyes of a fucked up demon who wants to further traumatize and groom his master to make his soul taste better in the end. sebastian is ugly. he is disgusting. he's fucked up, he's a groomer, he's not the good guy. a lot of people don't realize that sebastian is the villain of the entire story.

kuro does not "romanticize" anything. just because you did not like, or were personally uncomfortable by a depiction of something does not mean it was "romanticized". just like how a show depicting murder and cannibalism does not romanticize murder and cannibalism. you cannot pick and choose here, and you have to consume media critically. it's surprising how many people think a piece of media has to hold their hand and explicitly tell the viewer that "hey these things are bad!" in order for them to enjoy it, because only children's cartoons do that.

i've said it before and i'll say it again: you shouldn't have been a part of the Super Fucked Up and Dark Series fandom if you are only going to whine and complain about how super fucked up and dark it is.

it's just sad how there's so many people in this fandom who can't look into the deeper meaning of kuro only because they see the content as "romanticizing bad things".

[vamp-kiddo]

Ok so I genunily hate Tomden also people calling Tom a p€d0 and groomer- what the fuck is wrong with you they are both adults.

Ok so here is a list why I hate Tomden

-Aiden has a loveing bf no resone to cheat on James.

-Tom has a partener from what was revealed in all stars.

-Whole "ship" is made to trigger Jake's (possible) BPD traits and symtoms

-Ellie is forceing it aswell just to mess with Jake

-Its fucking queerbaiting alteast looks like it

-Aiden does NOT like Tom mentioned in the show

-Is a shit ship.

-Most Tomden fans I met are toxic as fuck.

Tomden fans fell free to hete this post try to argue and shit go argue with the wall bc I honeslty dont care. Tomden is a bad ship period.

[wavepriisms]

everything i know of that sean chiplock has done

screenshots from various twitter threads. i will be tagging every popular thing he's voiced a character (or characters) in. sorry if this is annoying i'm mainly worried about the tadc fans over here (also kinda gooseworx but i'm sure they can handle it on their own)

tl;dr pedophilia jokes, racism, insensitivity toward earthquake victims, insensitivity toward elliot ghindi's victims

idk how active he is on here so i'm not really worried about tagging him, his blog is @sonicmega for those wishing to block him

cut due to sensitive topics + long post

1. pedophilia jokes

how do you excuse any of this. i don't care if saying smash to sayu was a joke to "piss off antis" it's a pedophilia joke

2. racism

there's a few more screenshots i don't have on me. "they're jokes" they are all about chinese people don't you think that's targeted

3. insensitivity toward earthquake victims

hey remember that earthquake in syria and turkey that killed 25,000 people? yeah here's how he responded to that. he has not apologized as far as i can tell

4. response to elliot ghindi's grooming charges (which, by the way, had proof from victims and also got him fired and i think arrested)

this was under a post about elliot ghindi's (i'm sure everyone in the genshin fandom here knows who he is) grooming allegations. two users (who i do not know) were arguing over elliot ghindi's actions and sean chiplock decided to show up and say this? why on god's green earth would you do that.

end of post

also he said the n word according to a LOT of people but i don't have a screenshot of that sorry

[bugflies00]

Imagine supporting someone throughout grooming allegations manipulative and damaging behaviour plain old petty lashing out and so much more and then getting to the point where their ex friend's mother talks about the person you support sending an essay length message about why her son is bad...and you still defend them. Like I feel half bad for them at this point. It's the sunk cost fallacy isn't it? You've held onto this asshole from when you actually cared and felt any joy from his content pre-allegations and its gotten to the point where he literally doesn't make anything you feel anything about all he does is MORE stupid petty shit but you're so far in now, if they're still with him at this point that means they've by design victim blamed ignored horrible shit And plain old Asshole-ness and at this point probably harassed and bullied people who dislike Their Guy, they're probably so far gone they feel like they just need to keep stanning him until they feel justified in any way at all with all the horrible shit they've supported and done themselves but it's never gonna happen he's never becoming the good guy

genuinely dream stans have shown behaviour unlike any other community i've seen (well apart from gnf's but theyre adjacent if not the same). i think you're right that the only explanation i see for a lot of these people's utterly irrational behaviour is a mentality of not wanting to let go after the next shitty thing when there's been so many. i think a lot of them probably have their own issues and they react like this because dream's cultivated a relationship with his audience that's very insidious imo. idk. it just surprises me every time even though its been over 3 years how quickly they jump to harass anyone who criticises him it feels so. stereotypically stan behaviour? that it almost feels fake LMAO

[borderline-culture-is]

bpd culture is realizing your fp groomed you and having no idea what to do because cutting him off sounds like a worse fate than death

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[somebody-in-this-world-who-lives]

I'm not big on mcyt anymore and Ive made an effort to not mention it on any of my accounts after what happened with the allegations because I had a massive breakdown over it and I needed to take a step back. After it settled I just didn't want to be burned by this interest again but I still follow all my mcyt mutual and like their stuff from time to time.

That's all to say, it's so great to finally close the chapter on that hurt. I've felt like I couldn't revisit my dream interest the way I do with all my past interests and like I was always on a tightrope when it came to finding new communities because people all over the internet hate dream and would not accept me for being as little connected to this community as I still am. I hope now that the video is out and hopefully people will start to see him as more of a person I won't have to feel this weird paranoia like im one step away of being called a groomer supporter for still kinda liking a community that was an incredible big part of my life for two years.

[wc-confessions]

I really think this fandom needs to hold accountable big platforms with a bunch of easily impressionable followers. People need to highlight how bad the gr00ming issue in the fandom is and call out the people who have done this without sugar coating it behind “awww but i like their art :(“ because those people are still bad people with a lot of followers and need to be held accountable. Same goes for when big creators randomly will share the username of someone they disagree with and their followers go to attack them and the creator either doesn’t care or claims that they didn’t intend for the harm to happen. I have seen this happen with some big creators like as if they don’t realize or seem to care how big their following exactly is and how dangerous it can be if they even remotely mention that they dislike or disagree with someone on their large platform. Parasocial relationships in this day and age have gotten dangerous, and creators with big platforms need to be aware of how powerful their words can be. Especially in a fandom like this filled with MINORS. I’m just saying we need to do better by calling out problematic behavior and creators need to be more mindful about what they share or post and need to keep in mind that CHILDREN follow them.

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