#batman secret files and origins (1997)

[dracaelus]

Alfred is the most unhinged softie in gotham, a city known for having unhinged softies as citizens.

From Batman: Secret Files and Origins (1997)

[annah-kitathryne]

Helena Bertinelli/Huntress Reading List/Completionist Guide

Helena Bertinelli is the Huntress of Prime Earth. She has existed as a character since 1989, and has appeared in her own series as well as multiple other series throughout the years. Most well known for being a Bird of Prey, she has a long history that tends to be hard to track. Instead of hunting down all of the issues, this guide has every one of her appearances in the attempt to follow her chronologically, but where her movements couldn’t be followed the natural passing of time was used to follow the story. 

This is both a reading list and a completionist guide. This means there will be times when the issue only has a cameo of Helena. For a casual reader this list may be a little much. If that is the case click [here] for a shorter list that can get you started on Helena. 

Moving onto Content Warnings. 

There will be mentions and depictions of Sexual Assault of Adults and Minors, Slavery, PTSD, and Murder. These are some of the big Content Warnings. That being said let’s get started. 

[Start Here]

Huntress (1989) #1, #2 

Justice League America (1987-1996) #26 

Huntress (1989) #3 - #6 

Justice League America (1987-1996) #30, #31

Huntress (1989) #7 - #12

Justice League America (198-1996) #35 

Time Masters (1990) #1 

Huntress (1989) #13 - #19 

Justice League International Special (1990) #1

Justice League America (1987-1996) #42

Justice League International Special (1991) #2

Armageddon (1991) #2 

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #652, #653 

Robin III: Cry of the Huntress #1 - #6 

Justice League Europe (1989-1994) #47 - #50 

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #662

Showcase ‘93 (1993)  #9 , #10

Black Canary (1993) # 9 - #12

Green Arrow (1997-1998) #83 

Showcase ‘94 (1994) #5 

Robin (1993-2009) #6 

Showcase ‘94 (1994) #6 

Huntress (1994) #1 - #4

Robin (1993-2009) #17

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #686

The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #1 

Underworld Unleashed (1995) #2 , #3

Batman (1940-2011) #529

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #49

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #698

The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #4

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #53

Batman (1940-2011) #533

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #701

Robin (1993-2009) #33 , #34

Birds of Prey: Manhunt (1996) #1 - #4

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #703

Green Lantern (1990-2004) #81 

Robin (1993-2009) Annual #6 , #45

Genesis (1997) #1 - #4

Catwoman (1993-2001) #51 , #52 

Spectre (1992-1998) #62

JLA (1996-2006) #16 - #19 

Nightwing and Huntress (1998) #1 - #4 

Batman 80-Page Giant (1998/1999) #1 

Green Lantern (1990-2004) #103

Superman: Doomsday Wars (1998-1999) #1 - #3 

DC One Million (1998) #1 , #2 

JLA (1996-2006) #1,000,000 

DC One Million (1998) #3, #4

JLA Secret Files (1997-2000) #2

JLA (1996-2006) #24 - #26 

Hourman (1999-2001) #1

Nightwing (1996-2009) #26 - #29 

JLA (1996-2006) #27 

JLA/Titans (1998/1999) #1 - #3

Batman 80-Page Gaint (1998/1999) #2

The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #19

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #720

Batman: Huntress/Spoiler - Blunt Trauma (1998) #1 

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #721

 The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #14 

Robin (1993-2009) #65

Batman: No Man’s Land (1999) #1 

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #83 

Batman (1940-2011) #563 

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #116 

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #84

Batman (1940-2011) #564

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #731

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #117

Batman (1940-2011) #565

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #732

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #86

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #733

JLA (1996-2006) #28 - #31

Martian Manhunter (1998-2001) #6 - #9

JLA (1996-2006) #32

Martian Manhunter (1998-2001) Annual #2

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #119

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #87

Batman (1940-2011) #567

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #120

Nightwing: Secret Files and Origins (1999) #1

Batman (1940-2011) #568

Catwoman (1993-2001) #72

Batman (1940-2011) #570

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #737

Batman: No Man’s Land - Secret Files & Origins (1999) #1

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #93

The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #18

Nightwing (1996-2009) #38 - #39

Batman: No Man’s Land (1999) #0

Batman (1940-2011) #573

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #740

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2010) #126

Batman (1940-2011) #574

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #741

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992-1999) #94

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #1

Batman: Gotham City Secret Files and Origins (2000) #1

JLA: Foreign Bodies (1999) #1 

JLA (1996-2006) #34 - #41

JLA: Secret Files and Origins (1997-2000) #3

Azrael: Agent of the Bat (1994-2203) #63 - #65 

Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E (1999/2000) #8

The Batman Chronicles (1995-2000) #15

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #7

Batman/Huntress: Cry For Blood #1 - #6 

Batman: Outlaws (2000) #1 - #3

Nightwing (1996-2009) #52

Wonderwoman (1987-2006) #164 - #167

Justice League: Justice League of Amazons (2001) #1

Justice League: JL? (2001) #1

Superman: The Man of Steel (1991-2003) #109

Batman (1940-2011) #586

Batgirl (2000-2006) #18 

Batman (1940-2011) #591 

JLA (1996-2006) #58

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #763

Joker: Last Laugh (2001) #5 

Robin (1993-2009) #95 

Joker: Last Laugh (2001) #6

JLA: Incarnations (2001-2002) #7

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #773

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #34, #35 

Nightwing (1996-2009) #75

JLA: Welcome to the Working Week (2003) #1

Batman: Family (2002-2003) #2, #4, #8 

Batman (1940-2011) #609

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #37 - #40 

Action Comics (1938-2011) #802

Batman (1940-2011) #617 , #619

Bird of Prey: Secret Files and Origins (2003) #1

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #57 - #61

Robin (1993-2009) #120

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #48

Superman/Batman (2003-2011) #5 

Outsiders (2003-2007) #8 - #10

The Adventures of Superman (1987-2004) #623

Gotham Central (2002-2006) #17 , #18 

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000-2006) #50

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #64 - #66

Outsiders (2003-2007) #12

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #67 - #80

Teen Titans (2003-2011) #21

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #81, #82

The OMAC Project (2005) #2

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #83 , #84

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #809

JLA (2005-2008) #117, #119

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #85 - #87

Nightwing (1996-2009) #112

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #86 

JSA: Classified (2005-2008) #3

JLA (2005-2008) #121

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #88 - #91

Infinite Crisis (2005-2006) #5 , #7

Adventures of Superman (1987-2006) #648

Villains United: Infinite Crisis Special (2006) #1

52 (2006-2007) #1 

Robin (1993-2009) #148

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #92 - #99

Nightwing (1996-2009) #127

52 (2006-2007) #34

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #100 - #103

52 (2006-2007) #48 , #52

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #104 - #108

Justice League of America Wedding Special (2007) #1 

Green Arrow / Black Canary Wedding Special (2007) #1 

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #110

Green Arrow and Black Canary (2007-2010) #1

Detective Comics (19337-2011) #837

Gotham Underground (2007/2008) #2 , #7

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #111 - #115

Countdown to Mystery (2007/2008) #6 , #8, #9

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #116

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #117 - #119

Huntress: Year One (2008) #1 - #6

Manhunter (2004-2009) #33 - #36

Trinity (2008-2009) #9, #13 , #14 , #50

Final Crisis: Requiem (2008) #1

Final Crisis (2008/2009) #3

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #120 - #123

DC Universe: Decisions (2008) #3

Secret Six (2008-2011) #1 , #7

Batman and the Outsiders (2007-2011) #13

Birds of Prey (1998-2009) #124 - #127

Batman and the Outsiders (2008/2009) #4 , #5

Batman: Battle for the Cowl (2009) #1 , #2 

Batman: Battle for the Cowl: Network (2009) #1

Batman: Battle for the Cowl (2009) #3

Batman: Streets of Gotham (2000-2011)  #3 - #6 , #9, #13

Blackest Night: Batman (2009) #2

Batman (1940-2011) #693 - #695 , #697 

Azrael (2009-2011) #2

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #859 - #663

Justice Society of America (2007-2011) #38

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #864, #865

Red Robin (2009-2011) #12

Batgirl (2009-2011) #10 , 11

Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #1 - #4

Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne (2010) #3

Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #5 , #6

Superman/Batman (2003-2011) #78

Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #7 - #10

Brightest Day (2010-2011)

Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #11

Batman Incorporated (2011) #6

Secret Six (2008-2011) #36

Birds of Prey (2010-2011) #12 - #15

Batman (1940-2011) #713 

Convergence: The Question (2015) #1, #2

New - 52 

Batwoman (2011-2015) #2

Secret Origins (2014-2015) #8 

Nightwing (2011-2014)  #30

Grayson (2014-2016) #1 - #5 ,Annual #1 , #6 - #11

Batgirl (2011-2016) Annual #3

Midnighter (2015) #3

Harley Quinn (2014-2016) #20

Grayson (2014-2016) Annual #2 

Batman & Robin Eternal (2015/2016) #2 , #3

Titans Hunt (2015-2016) #1 

Grayson (2014-2016) #13 , #14 

Batman & Robin Eternal (2015/2016) #5 

Midnighter (2015) #8 

Batman & Robin Eternal (2015/2016) #17

Grayson (2014-2016) #16 

Midnighter (2015) #9

Batman & Robin Eternal (20115/2016) #18 - #20

Grayson (2014-2016) #17

Midnighter (2015) #10

Batman & Robin Eternal (20115/2016) #23 , #24 

Grayson (2014-2016) #18

Batman & Robin Eternal (20115/2016) #25

Midnighter (2015) #11

Grayson (2014-2016) #19

Midnighter (2015) #12

Grayson (2014-2016) #20 Annual #3

Rebirth 

DC Universe: Rebirth (2016) #1 

Nightwing: Rebirth (2016) #1 

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey: Rebirth (2016) #1 

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #1 - #4

Nightwing (2016-) #9 

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #5 - #13 

Nightwing (2016-) #26 - #28 

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #14

Nightwing (2016-) #30 , #31

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016-2018) #15 - #22

The Hellblazer (2016-2018) #19 - #24 

The Unexpected (2018-2019) #3 , #4 

Green Arrow (2016-2019) #45

Aquaman/Justice League: Drowned Earth (2018) #1 

Detective Comics (2016-) #1000

Batman (2016-) #71 

Action Comics (1938-) #1011

Harley Quinn (2016-2020) #64 

Batgirl (2016-2020) #39 

DC Villains Giant (2019) #1 

Batman (2016-) #81 - #83

Birds of Prey: Sirens of Justice (2020) #1 

Birds of Prey (2020-) #1 

Batgirl (2016-2020) #50

Dark Knights: Death Metal (2020) #5

Infinite Frontier 

Infinite Frontier #0 

Detective Comics (2016-) #1034 - #1039

The Other History of the Dc universe (2021) #5 

Batman Secret Files; Huntress (2021) #1

Detective Comics (2016-) #1041 , #1042 , #1046

Robins (2021-2022) #4, #5

Detective Comics (2016-) #1047. #1049 - #1058 , #1061

Nightwing (2016-) #95

Batman: Dear Detective #1 

Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths (2022) #5

Batman (2016) #129

Nightwing (2016-) #98

Lazarus Planet: Dark Fate (2023) #1

[Current Present: July 2023]

Else Worlds and Others 

Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey (2020) #1 - #4

Superman and Batman: World’s Funniest (2000) #1 

JLA: Act of God (2000-2001) #1

Future State: 

Future State: Dark Detective (2021) #1 , #3

Future State: Nightwing (2021) #1 , #2 

DCeased: 

DCeaased (2019) #3, #4

DCeased: Unkillable: #1

DC vs. Vampires: 

DC vs. Vampires (2021-2023) #2 , #10 , #11

DCAU: 

Superman & Batman Magazine (1993-1995) #1 , #4

The Batman & Robin Adventures (1995-1997) #19 

Justice League Unlimited (2004-2008) #20 , #22 , #27 , #31 , #36

Batman: The Adventures Continue Season Two (2021-2022) #3

Injustice: 

Injustice: Year Zero (2020-2021) Chapter #1 , #2 

Injustice: Gods Among Us (2013-2016) #6 , #7 , #9 , #11 , 12

Injustice: Gods Among Us - Year Two (2013-2016) #3 , #6 , #7 - #11 , Annual #1

Injustice: Gods Among us - Year Three (2013-2016) #2 , #6 , #9 - #12

Injustice: Gods Among Us - Year Four (2013-2016) #1 

Flashpoint: 

Flashpoint: Emperor Aquaman (2011) #2 , #3 

Flashpoint: Wonder Woman and the Furies (2011) #2 , #3

Flashpoint: Lois Lane and the Resistance (2011) #2

Convergence (2015) #6 , #7 

Tiny Titans:

Tiny Titans (2008-2012) #45

Bombshells: 

DC Comics: Bombshells (2015-2017) #6 , #10 , #16 , #17 , #18 , #26 

Bombshells: United (2017-2018) #36

Batman: The Brave and The Bold:

Batman: The Brave and The Bold (2009-2010) #11 , #14

All-New Batman: The Brave and The Bold (2011-202) #4

Lil’Gotham: 

Batman: Lil’Gotham (2013-2014) #3 , #5 , #6 , #8 , #10 , #12

Scooby-Doo: 

Scooby-Doo Team-Up (2018) #34

The Batman & Scooby-Doo Mysteries (2021-) #5 , #12

Other Appearances (Crossovers) 

Batman Versus Predator II (1993/1994) # 1 - #4

JLA/Witchblade (2000-2001) #1

Avengers/JLA (2003/2004) #4

Other Characters to hold the name, Huntress: 

Paula Brooks

Helena Wayne

Carol Danvers (Amalgamverse)

Charlotte Gage-Radcliffe

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To the Helena Bertinelli fans I hope you enjoy! 

@inkareds​ I finished the complete guide if you want to check it out. 

If I made any mistakes or forgot something leave a comment, or send me a message. I tried to include everything, but I could have messed up. I will also try to update this as new Huntress stuff comes out, so the list may grow. 

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Jason Todd Reading List

Pre-Crisis Robin

(this includes his origin, how he becomes Robin, and what happens to this version of Jason in the Pre-Crisis Timeline)

Batman #357-399 (1983-1986)

Detective Comics #524-567 (1983-1986)

Batman #400-403 (1986-1987)

Crisis on Infinite Earths #5, #9, #11-12 (1985-1986)

Post Crisis Robin

(includes his origin, how he becomes Robin and his death - i tried to have this chronologically according to when these events take place so that means the publishing order is a bit weird)

Nightwing #103-106 - Collected as Nightwing: Year One

Batman #402-403, #408-425, #430-431

Batman Annual #10-12

Tales of the Teen Titans #86-91

Legends

Detective Comics #575-578

Batman: Full Circle

Superman Annual #11 (1985)

Blue Devil #19 (1986)

New Teen Titans #18-31 (1986-1987)

Action Comics #556, #594

Batman: The Cult

Batman: A Death in the Family

Post Death Mentions

(includes any mentions, memories or appearances of Jason's "ghost" after his death. honestly, you don't need to read these to follow along for Jason's storyline but they show how those who cared about him dealt with his death.)

Batman #432-435, #496 (1987-1993)

Detective Comics #606, #609 (1989)

Underworld Unleashed #2 (1995)

Batman/Demon (1996)

Nightwing #10 (1997)

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #100 (1997)

Nightwing: Secret Files and Origins (1999)

Jokers Last Laugh (2001)

Joker: Last Laugh Secret Files and Origins (2001)

Deadman: Dead Again (2001)

Batman: Gotham Knights 16, #34, #43-45 (2001-2003)

JLA Avengers #2 (2003)

Batman: Gotham Country line (2005)

Detective Comics #790 (2004)

Batman #620-630 (2004)

Red Hood

Red Hood: The Lost Days - This is before Jason returns to Gotham as the Red Hood. It shows a bit of what he did after coming back to life

Hush/Batman #608-619 (2002-2003)

Batman: Under the Red Hood

Teen Titans V2 #29

Nightwing V2 #118-124 - collected in - Nightwing: Brothers in Blood

Outsiders V3 #44-46

Outsiders V3 Annual 1

Green Arrow V3 #69-72

Countdown to Final Crisis: Countdown to Final Crisis #51 (2007) Teen Titans #47 (2007) Countdown to Final Crisis #50-33 (2007) All New Atom #13-15 (2007) Countdown to Final Crisis #31-1 (2007-2008)

Battle for the Cowl: Robin #177, #182-183 (2008-2009) Azrael: Deaths Dark Knight #3 (2009) Batman: Battle for the Cowl (2009) Batman and Robin #3-6, #23-25 (2009-2011)

New 52 Red Hood

Batman #0

Secret Origins #5

Red Hood and The Outlaws V1 #1-14 (2011-2015)

DC Universe Presents #17 (2015)

Batman: Death of the Family: Batman #13-15 Red Hood and The Outlaws #15 Teen Titans #15 Batman #16 Red Hood and The Outlaws #16 Teen Titans #16 Batman #17

Red Hood and The Outlaws #17 (2013)

Batman and Robin #10-12, #17 (2012-2013)

Batman Inc (2012-2013)

Red Hood and The Outlaws #18 (2013)

Justice League #19 (2013)

Batman and Robin #20 (2013)

Supergirl #35 (2014)

Batman/Superman Annual 1 (2014)

Action Comics #34 (2014)

Action Comics Annual 3 (2014)

Batman and Robin #33-37 (2014-2015)

Red Hood and The Outlaws #19 (2013)

Red Hood and The Outlaws Annual 1 (2013)

Red Hood and The Outlaws #20-40 (2013-2015)

Batman Eternal #10-12,#15 ,#18-20 ,#25 ,#26 ,#28 (2014-2015)

Grayson #12 (2015)

Deathstroke V3 #15-16 (2014)

Batman/Superman #25-27 (2014)

Red Hood/Arsenal #1-6 (2015)

Batman and Robin Eternal (2015-2016)

Robin War: Robin War #1 (2015) Grayson #15 (2015) Detective Comics #47 (2015) Red Hood/Arsenal #7 (2015) We are Robin #7 (2015) Robin: Son of Batman #7 (2015) Robin War #6 (2016)

Red Hood/Arsenal #8-13 (2015-2016)

Rebirth Red Hood

(current continuity)

Red Hood and The Outlaws V2 #1-6

Batman #16

Nightwing #15 (2017)

Trinity Annual 1

Trinity #12-15 (2017) - This and Trinity Annual 1 is also known as Dark Destiny Arc

Red Hood and The Outlaws #7-18

Red Hood and The Outlaws Annual 1

Batman #33 (2017)

Detective Comics #967-968 (2017)

New Talent Showcase (2017)

Batman and The Signal #1, #3 (2018)

Batman: Prelude to the Wedding: Red Hood vs Anarky

Red Hood and The Outlaws #26-31

Red Hood and The Outlaws Annual 2

Teen Titans #22 (2018)

Teen Titans Annual 1 (2019)

Red Hood: Outlaw #31-36 - Continuing on from the Red Hood and The Outlaws comics but Jason is on his own now.

Red Hood: Outlaw Annual 3

Event Leviathan #2-3 (2019)

Harley Quinn: Villain of the Year (2019)

Red Hood: Outlaw #37-47

Batman: Alfred R.I.P #1 (2020)

Robin 80th Anniversary (2020)

Joker War: Nightwing #72 (2020) Red Hood: Outlaw #49 (2020) Batman #100 (2020)

Detective Comics #1030-1033 (2020)

Teen Titans #45 (2020)

Red Hood: Outlaw #50-52 (2020)

Batman: Urban Legends #1-6

Truth & Justice #10-12

Batman Secret Files: Clownhunter #1

Robin #5 (2021)

Nightwing Annual 1

Detective Comics #1041-1043, #1052, #1057

Task Force Z #1-12 (2021-2022)

The Joker: The Man Who Stopped Laughing #2-10 (2022-2023) - This is still ongoing, I will update when new issues that Jason appears in is published - in 6 and 7 Jason is only there for a few panels

Batman: Legends of Gotham (2023)

Lazarus Planet: Next Evolution (2023)

Batman 136 (2023)

Knight Terrors: Robin (2023)

Gotham War: ongoing

Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Prelude [2023] Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Battle lines[2023] Catwoman 57 [2023] Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Red Hood #1 [2023] Batman 138 [2023] Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War:Red Hood #2 [2023] Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Scorched Earth - releasing 31/10/23

Nightwing 107 [2023]

Future State

(I'll be honest, I don't understand Future State vs current continuity so I can't explain much for this but it's a possible future timeline I think. Jason is undercover as a cop in this btw)

Dark Detective

Future State: Gotham #1-18

Alternate Universes

(can chose what among these you want to read. none of this affects the current continuity)

Batwoman #6 (2017)

- In this comic, Batwoman travels to an alternate universe where we see a Jason Todd who was never taken in by Bruce Wayne and ends up becoming a priest

DC Universe Legacies #5,6

Batman The Brave and the bold #13 (2012)

Li’l Gotham #2, #10, #12, #17, #20, #21, #24 (2012-2013)

- This comic is adorable

Tiny Titans #23, #29, #33, #39, #45, #47 (2010-2012)

- This comic is also adorable

Convergence: Batman and Robin (2015)

Arkhamverse: (these tie in with the Batman: Arkham Knight video game)

Arkham Knight: Genesis

Batman: Arkham Knight - the game picks up right after the end of this comic

DC Comics’ Bombshells #46, #60, #62 (2015-2016)

Bombshells United #18-24 (2018)

The Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade #1 (2016)

Injustice: (these tie in with the Injustice video games)

Injustice - Gods Among Us: Year Five #38 (2016)

Injustice 2 #2-3, #5-7, #13, #18-20, #46-49 (2017-2018)

Injustice Vs. The Masters Of The Universe (2018)

Beware the Batman #11 (2014)

Batman: White Knight #7 (2018)

Mother Panic: Gotham A.D #2-6 (2018)

Batman Beyond #25 (2018)

Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III #5-6 (2019)

Titans Giant #1-4 (2020)

DCEASED: Unkillables (2020)

DCEASED: Dead Planet #2-5 (2020)

Batman the Adventure Continues (2020)

Batman: Three Jokers #1-3 (2020)

Suicide Squad: Get Joker! #1-3 (2021)

Titans United (2021)

- This was to promote the Titans HBO show (even though it does not tie with the show)

DC's Round Robin - Robins (2021)

DC vs Vampires

Dark Knights of Steel: (Ongoing, I will update as they are posted. Medieval AU, the Robins are all younger and met each other before they met Bruce)

Dark Knights of Steel: Tales from the Three Kingdoms

Dark Knights of Steel #1

Batman vs Robin (2022)

- Some more honesty, I haven't got a clue as to what this fits in with so I can't help much with this but I do know that it will be 5 issues, finishing in 2023

Batman - Beyond The White Knight #1, #4-8 (2022) (ongoing)

Batman White Knight Presents: Red Hood #1-2 (2022)

Batman: Wayne Family Adventures (Ongoing series on Webtoon.)

Red Hood: Outlaws (Ongoing series on Webtoon)

Batman: The Brave and the Bold #1, #4 (2023) - at the end we get to see an alternate universe where young Jason and Dick are brothers and first meet Bruce

Other Media

TV Shows

Batman: The Brave and The Bold, Season 2 Episode 19 - In this universe, Dick Grayson is the only Robin but in S2 E19, "Emperor Joker" features a scene in Bat-Mite's extra-dimensional museum where Bat-Mite has a statue depicting Jason's death. Bat-Mite then breaks the fourth wall and tells Batman that readers voted for Jason to die.

Young Justice - S2 E8, S2 E9, S2 E20, S4 E19 an image of Jason as Robin is seen with other memorials for heros. - Jason is also thought to be the Red Hooded Ninja who appears in S3 E6, S4 E5, S4 E8

Titans - Seasons 1 and 2 with a short cameo in season 3 of the HBO show

Movies

Batman: Under the Red Hood - Animated movie that changes the storyline of Jason's death, resurrection and return to Gotham

Batman: Death in the Family (2020) - This is an interactive film involving the events of Batman: Death in the Family comics.

Lego DC Batman: Family Matters (2019)

Video Games

Batman: Arkham Knight - Arkham Knight: Genesis and Batman: Arkham Knight comics are set before the events of this game.

Injustice: (these tie in with the Injustice comics listed above under Alternate Universes) Injustice: Gods Among us (mentioned) Injustice 2

Gotham Knights - The Batfamily (Dick, Barbara, Jason and Tim) protecting Gotham, as well as dealing with the death of Batman. This was very recently released and I haven't played it so I can't tell you much.

I just want to add the following: I cannot guarantee that this is 100% accurate or up to date. I will do my best to update when we get new Jason content. I have not had any help with this and got the information from multiple other sources. Because I've had no help, no one has proof checked this so there might be some errors.

If you notice any errors or know of anything I've missed please let me know and I will fix the error as soon as I can!

Last Updated: 25 October 2023

[mindshelter]

HI doing my kyle readthrough (up to oyl) rn and i must know what are some of your fav issues/arcs 🙏 and if there's anything u think i should just skip. if ur feeling hateful enough

HI i appreciate this ask a lot i don't know if i count as any paragon of kyle expertise but... well. that's never stopped me.

if you're up to oyl you're pretty far along, and i assume you'd seen a handful of reading guides that nudge you towards all of gl (1990) #48-181 and its surrounding crossovers, including zero hour (1994) and final night/parallax: emerald night (1996). i derive most of my takes on his character from this era.

green lantern rebirth and gl publications thereon are often (in)famously authored by mr. geoff johns, so i cannot in good conscience integrate most of that body of work into my belief system. that being said! it does include the buildup to ion (2006) #1-12, which, while not perfect, has phenomenal art and is also pretty key to kyle's whole ethos. the buildup to ion is the following:

green lantern: rebirth (2004)

green lantern corps: recharge (2005)

rann/thanagar war: infinite crisis special (2006)

ion (2006)

if you're not allergic to ensemble comics, he is also a frequent cast member in jla (1997) for the first 70 or so issues; it's a good place to look to see him foster relationships with other members of the dc universe (like wally, whose friendship with kyle is basically nonexistent nowadays but i have not forgotten) and gradually gain confidence as gl. some highlights include:

jla (1997) #1-7 — he's such a rookie here. he's clearly very new to the game and nervous about it, so it's a good look into how he started off and what he grew from.

jla/titans (1998) #1-3

jla (1997) #16-17

jla (1997) #32-46 — tie-ins to no-man's land, hal's return as the spectre in #35, and the world war iii/tower of babel storylines.

green lantern: circle of fire (2000) — starts about here, in terms of publication timeline, but portrays a version of kyle that is still relatively new to the jla. the kylealex worms are here.

jla (1997) 47-68, #70, #72-75

jla (1997) #76 — kyle's final issue in the JLA's main rotation, as a tie-in for the later events in gl (1990). john steps in for him.

as for standalones, personal recommendations, or just random appearances i happen to remember:

green lantern/flash: faster friends (1996) #1-2 — (to an empty auditorium) WALLY AND KYLE WOO! WOO!

total justice (1996) #1-3 — more budding hero kyle. wally is a hater. tim is also there.

dc universe holiday bash (1996) #1 — kyle goes to synagogue and beats white supremacists :)

dc universe holiday bash I (1997) #1 — connor and kyle go holiday shopping. very cute also.

adventures in the dc universe (1997) #11 — kyle and wonder woman hang out! he also gets bullied by children and falls into a sewer.

superman (1986) #159, #165, #170

batman chronicles (1995) #15 — be fucking nice bruce

green lantern 3D (1998) — standalone. jen and kyle being cute.

green lantern secret files and origins (1998) #1-3

green lantern 80-page giant (1998)

flash 80-page giant (1998) — kyle appears for two pages but it's of wally asking him about alex because he's worried about his own relationship. kyle gets very sad and visibly withdrawn to the point that wally apologizes. VERY FUNNY.

(final note: THANKS! i am so flattered. was it because of the kyle slayner shooba wooba cherry pie brownie cake post. i rambled on for way longer than i thought i would. i hope this is helpful, and happy reading!)

[jedivoodoochile]

“80 Years of Alfred Pennyworth: A History” - Conclusion: Don Cameron and Bob Kane’s character Alfred Pennyworth, who debuted in 1943’s Batman #16, has been a vital part of the Batman Family over the last eight decades across all DC media. More than just the Wayne Family butler, Alfred’s long history proves him to be a skilled in theater, medicine, hand-to-hand combat, tech, and enveloped in all his impressive abilities is Alfred’s trusting nature that Bruce and the entire extended vigilante family continually need to thrive and survive in their crusade for justice in Gotham City. Just as the Dark Knight’s evolution is extraordinary, the 80 years of Alfred Pennyworth is a fascinating one to explore and celebrate for any fan of the Batman and DC Universe.🦇📚🙏🏽

🖼️: Alfred Pennyworth by Lee Weeks and Tom McCraw, October 1997’s Batman Secret Files and Origins #1.

[pcnnyworth]

alfred pennyworth upon seeing a rat in the batcave, circa 1997 (source: "guided tour: the batcave" in batman: secret files and origins #1)

[beyond-abyss]

Batman Quote (1997 Secret Files and Origins)

"Destiny is the elusively simple matter of becoming who you are."

[supermanshield]

The Ultimate Superman/Batman Reading Guide

Do you like Superman and Batman's friendship but don't know where to start reading? Or are you just looking for more to read? This list is for you!

Comics can be quite hard and complicated to navigate, especially when two characters have interacted for 69 years. A lot has happened in that time! I made this reading guide to help you along. It's organized by era and (mostly) in chronological order.

Many thanks to @katsuyacrimson and Orph for their input and help, and @worldsfinest for some last-minute info!

Some personal faves:

World's Finest vol. 2 (1990) >> Good starting point if you want a self-contained story that is not really in continuity.

Superman/Batman (2003) >> Good starting point. See under 'Post-crisis' for reading order.

Dark Knight over Metropolis >> See under 'Post-crisis' for reading order.

Batman/Superman (2013) #1-4 and #16-20 + annual #2

Batman/Superman (2019) #16-21 + annual 2021

Alright, long list under the cut. Enjoy your reading!

☆ = essential reading to follow their relationship (imo)

▻ = tie-in to other story or not entirely essential to follow their relationship

Pre-crisis (1952 -1985) // Earth One

☆ Superman (1939) #76 - Very first meeting

☆ World's Finest Comics - Superman and Batman teamed up almost every issue from #71 all the way to #323 (the final issue).

Some highlights and personal faves:

Batman and Superman in World’s Finest: The Silver Age Omnibus - collects #71 - 116 (and Superman #76)

Saga of the Supersons - collects various issues between #215 and #263.

#246-247; #250; #259; #271 (first meeting retold); #272 - 274; #279 - 289; #293; #294-295 (the infamous break-up happened at this point in Batman and the Outsiders #1); #300; #302

▻ Superman Annual #7: The origins of the Superman-Batman team ▻ Superman Annual #9

☆ Superman Annual #11: For the Man Who Has Everything

Post-crisis (1986 - 2011) // New Earth

Main universe:

☆ The Man of Steel #3 - One Night in Gotham City. New first meeting. general warning for John Byrne rightwing-leaning superman but ok i guess

▻ Adventures of Superman #440 - The Hurrieder I Go. Secret identities revealed. Part of the ongoing story in the Superman books at the time.

▻ Batman #428-429 - part of A Death in the Family.

☆ Dark Knight over Metropolis

Preceding events: Action comics annual #1, Adventures of Superman #466, Action Comics #653. Read these for the full story.

Main story: Superman (1987) #44, Adventures of Superman #467, Action Comics #654

▻ Superman: The Man of Steel #37 - first time seeing each other again after Clark’s death and Bruce getting his back broken. Part of Zero Hour. Could be read as stand-alone, might be a little confusing.

▻ Superman: The Wedding Album - Bruce arranges for Metropolis to be protected during Lois and Clark’s honeymoon.

▻ JLA (1997) 80-page giant #1 - The Green bullet (first story)

▻ JLA (1997) #27

▻ Superman: Emperor Joker - Bruce shows up mainly in the second arc, The Reign of Emperor Joker. Read the full story to understand it all! Starts in Superman (1987) #160, or collected in tpb.

☆ Superman (1987) #168 and Detective Comics #756 - With This Ring and Lord of the Ring.

▻ Batman #612 - part of Batman: Hush.

☆ Superman/Batman (2003). Longest running team-up book to date, beside the World’s Finest Comics. Definitely essential reading!

Reading order: Annual #1 (first meeting retold, again. this time with deadpool); Annual #2; Secret Files and Origins 2003 (When Clark Met Bruce); #1 - 56; Annual #3; #57 - 87; Annual #4

▻ Batman #640 - part of Batman: Under The Hood. harder to read on its own.

▻ Justice League of America (2006) #0 - Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow

▻ Superman #710 - part of Superman: Grounded. Can easily be read as stand-alone.

Limited series:

☆ World’s Finest vol. 2 (1990) 3 issues.

▻ Legends of the World’s Finest (1995) 3 issues.

☆ Batman & Superman: World’s Finest (1999) 10 issues - #7 is the most important.

New 52 (2011 - 2016) // Prime Earth

☆ Batman/Superman (2013) #1-4 - New first meeting as Clark and Bruce*

▻ Batman (2011) #19-20 - Ghost Lights (backup story)

☆ Batman/Superman (2013) #5-7; Annual #1; #8; Worlds’ Finest #20; #9; Worlds’ Finest #21; #10-20; Annual #2; #28-30

▻ Superman (2011) #40 - part of Superman: Before Truth

☆ Superman: The Final Days of Superman

Starts in Superman (2011) #51

Batman/Superman #31-32 are tie-ins.

Earth two:

▻ Worlds’ Finest #27-29: The secret history of Superman & Batman

*New first meeting as Superman and Batman happens in Justice League (2011) #1, part of Justice League: Origin (see at the end under ‘Extra’)

Rebirth / DC Universe / Infinite Frontier (2016 - now) // Prime Earth

▻ DC Rebirth Holiday Special #1 - The Last Minute

☆ Batman (2016) #36-37 - Superfriends

▻ Prelude to the Wedding: Nightwing vs. Hush #1

▻ Batman (2016) #68

☆ Batman/Superman (2019) #1-11; Annual #1; #12-15

☆ Superman: Man of Tomorrow #19

☆ Future State: Batman/Superman #1-2

☆ Batman/Superman (2019) #16-21; Annual 2021; #22

☆ Ongoing Batman/Superman: World's Finest (2022)

Elseworlds

▻ The Dark Knight Returns - Read at your own risk. Miller Batman and Government puppet Superman.

▻ Dark Knight III: The Master Race - Continuation of Dark Knight Returns and Dark Knight Strikes Again. Can be read on its own.

▻ Kingdom Come

▻ Elseworld's Finest - 1920’s pulp Superman and Batman. Need I say more?

▻ Superman and Batman: Generations

▻ JLA: Shogun of Steel - Superman and Batwoman in feudal Japan

▻ Superman: Red Son

Extra

▻ Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity (2003), 3 issues. TW: suggestions of rape / rape threat

▻ Trinity (2008), 52 issues

▻ Trinity (2016), 22 issues + 1 annual

▻ Injustice

▻ Batman and Superman Adventures: World's Finest (official adaptation of the animated series 3-part episode)

▻ Superman: Red & Blue #3 - Deadline (the first story)

Justice League books

Obviously not all superbat focused, but lots of great interactions and team dynamics. And check out the special recs:

▻ Justice League of America (1960), 261 issues + annuals.

▻ JLA: A Midsummer’s Nightmare (1996), 3 issues

▻ JLA (1997), 125 issues + annuals. Especially: New World Order (#1-4) and Tower of Babel (#43-46)

▻ Justice League of America (2006), 60 issues + specials. Especially #31 (part of When Worlds Collide)

▻ Justice League vol 2 (new 52), 52 issues. Especially Origin (#1-6), which includes the new first meeting between Superman and Batman.

▻ Justice League vol 3 (rebirth), 43 issues. Especially The People vs. The Justice League (#34-38)

▻ Justice League vol 4 (current), 66 issues. Especially The Sixth Dimension (#19-25) and The Garden of Mercy (#51-52)

[oh-mother-of-darkness]

Timeline: Batman

google doc / ao3

This is my best attempt at a post-crisis timeline based on age-- specifically Bruce’s age every time he adopted and/or met one of his children. 

List of events:

Bruce’s parents die

Bruce becomes Batman

Dick’s parents die

Dick becomes Robin

Jason becomes Robin and is adopted

Jason dies

Tim becomes Robin

Cass appears

Dick is adopted

Tim is adopted

Cass is adopted

Damian becomes Robin

I’ll be citing my work by issue and panel. This isn’t my most organized work, and I don’t know how well tumblr will let me translate it, so I do recommend the google doc. I imagine the image quality here won’t be great. 

Notes:

This is a post-crisis timeline (1986-2011). I’ll be referencing a few pre-crisis panels, but I won’t be touching the New 52 or anything after it. That’s a different game of ball with its own, extremely bad, timeline.

Crisis on Infinite Earths is a 1985-1986 series that rebooted the DC timeline and altered some backstories, including Jason’s. Pre-crisis, his backstory was almost identical to Dick’s. Post-crisis, he changed to the “steal the wheels off the Batmobile” origin. Anything written before 1986 is a weak source for my purposes. 

My original question centered around Bruce’s age through the process of meeting and acquiring his children. In this timeline, those children are (1) Dick Grayson, (2) Jason Todd, (3) Cassandra Cain, (4) Tim Drake, and (5) Damian Wayne. I was envisioning an interview where the kids explain their family timeline to outsiders. I did not anticipate the project taking this long. 

We’re talking about 72 years of content here, which means decades of contradiction, conflation, and rewrites. I’m pretty satisfied with my work product, but please understand that there are no perfect answers. I’m going to cite my sources, and I’ll do my best to explain why I chose those sources specifically, but it’s pretty likely that for every panel I pull, there will be others with different numbers. We’re all going to have to live with that. 

Event timeline

*I’m defining Jason’s age by the time elapsed since his birth, but you could make an argument for using time he has been alive, which is, of course, different. That’s why the parentheses are there. 

Age differences

As Robin

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Bruce’s parents die

Pretty consistently, Bruce is written as eight years old the night his parents died. 

Detective Comics #0 (1994)

This is a zero issue where Bruce thinks back on his origin story. It was written long after Crisis on Infinite Earths (1986), and I tend to give a lot of weight to ages written in summaries of past plot lines, my reasoning being that it’s easier to be consistent in one issue than it is to be consistent through a month to month story. 

Bruce first appeared as an adult in Detective Comics #27 (1939), and the Waynes were already dead at that point, so flashbacks are the only available material anyway. 

Gotham Knights #6 (2000)

The text is Hugo Strange talking about Bruce, and the image is Tim and Dick playing at Wayne Enterprises. 

I’ll take a second here to note that I did find at least one alternate age for Bruce— in Superman/Batman Secret Files & Origins (2003), Bruce was 10 when his parents died. I’m disregarding that in favor of the stronger 8 year old timeline, especially in light of Batman #404 (1987).

Batman #404 is the beginning of Batman: Year One, which was explicitly written to clarify the Batman timeline post-crisis, and it’s the basis of most of my calculations for Bruce and Dick’s ages.

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Bruce becomes Batman

According to Year One, Bruce was 26 years old when he became Batman. I’m using his age at his parents’ deaths, his age when he returned to Gotham, and his 18 year timeline.

Batman #404 puts Bruce at age 25 when he returned to Gotham in January. 

Batman #404 (1987)

Bruce gives his dramatic, “Yes, Father, I will become a bat,” line in March. In the same scene, he says that it has been 18 years since his parents’ deaths. Knowing that they died when Bruce was eight, that puts Bruce at 26 years old the day he became Batman, which makes sense considering Bruce’s birthday is usually set at February 19th. 

He was 25 in January, turned 26 in February, and became Batman at 26, 18 years after his parents’ death. 

Batman #404 (1987)

Post-crisis, DC built timelines off the “Year” model. Year One is Batman’s beginning, and events after that are measured by how far away they are from the year Bruce became Batman. I’ll be using the Year model for Dick’s life events next. 

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Dick’s parents die

The Graysons died in Year Two. Using the Year Model, Dick was 12 when his parents died, and Bruce was 37. 

Year timelines appear a fair amount, especially in issues titled “Secret Files & Origins.” I pulled this bit from Batman Secret Files & Origins (1997) because it was the easiest to screenshot. 

Batman Secret Files & Origins (1997)

Year Two would place Bruce at 27 years old. I’m calculating Dick’s age backwards, based on him being 13 years old during Year Three. 

Batman Secret Files & Origins (1997) 

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Dick becomes Robin

Dick became Robin in Year Three, when he was 13 years old and Bruce was 28. I’m using two different issues to calculate the number. 

Batman #441 (1989)

Batman #441 is from Tim’s introduction story. It takes place “months” after Jason’s death. We’ll get to that part. In Batman #441, Tim asked Dick to be Robin again in order to help Bruce, who was visibly unstable after Jason’s death. Dick says that he can’t go back to being Robin, just like he can’t go back to being 13 years old. The strong implication there is that Dick became Robin at 13, which corresponds to Dick’s statements in Batman #416 (1988). 

In Batman #416, Dick as Nightwing returns to confront Bruce about Jason becoming Robin. He says that he was Robin for six years, and he stopped being Robin at 19.

Batman #416 (1988)

If Dick stopped being Robin at 19, after 6 years, that would put him at 13 when he debuted as Robin, the same number from Batman #441 (1989).

Dick was 13 during Year Three, so 12 during Year Two, the year his parents died. Those numbers answer the first bit of my original question. I wanted to know how old Dick and Bruce were when Dick became his child. It’s a bit more of a complicated question for Dick, since he was originally Bruce’s ward, then adopted as an adult. 

Based on the timeline so far, Dick became Bruce’s ward at 12 years old, while Bruce was 27.  

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Jason becomes Robin and is adopted

As previously discussed (see Notes), Jason’s timeline is complicated by Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985-1986). Pre-crisis, Jason first appeared in Batman #336 (1983) as a former circus acrobat very similar to Dick.

Jason’s origin story reboots at Batman #408 (1987), which describes the switch-off between Dick and Jason. I’m building a lot of my timeline off of that issue. At the beginning, Dick gets shot by the Joker, and as Bruce carries him away, the media ask if Robin is dead. Dick isn’t dead, but back at the manor, Bruce decides to retire Robin as a role, based on the idea that crimefighting is too dangerous for a child. 

Batman #408 (1987)

This version is more or less from Bruce’s point of view, but there’s a contrasting version from Dick’s point of view later, in Batman #416 (1987). That one has a significantly different tone, and I already cited it once (page 13) because Dick talks about his age and the amount of time he was Robin.  

Batman #408 (1987)

The second part of the issue takes place “weeks” later. Bruce goes to Crime Alley to mourn his parents on the anniversary of their death. He comes back to find that somebody stole the wheels off the Batmobile. The somebody was Jason, and by the end of Batman #409 (1987), Bruce is calling Jason “Robin.”

Batman #408 (1987) seems to divide Dick’s departure and Jason’s introduction by only “weeks,” in the post-crisis reboot. Dick’s version of the story in Batman #416 (1987) is much less charitable to Bruce— instead of ending on a panel of Bruce smiling, it shows the aftermath of Dick in tears as Bruce walks away. Dick goes on to describe leaving the house, going to college for a semester, then dropping out. According to Dick, Bruce didn’t even say goodbye. 

Batman #416 (1987)

I don’t think the stories are contradictory; they’re just different experiences of the same events, separated by only eight issues. Dick tells us that he was 19 when he left Wayne Manor, and Bruce chooses his new Robin “weeks” later. 

As a summary, we know that Bruce’s parents died when he was eight, and that 18 years passed before he became Batman at 26. One year later, Dick’s parents died while Bruce was 27. One year after that, Dick became Robin at the age of 13. From those facts, Bruce is 15 years older than Dick. 

All of my calculations of Bruce’s age are based off of the age gap between him and Dick. Dick was 19 when Jason became Robin, so we know that at that time, Bruce was 34. We also know that at that time, Jason was 12. 

I can’t show a source for that number because it appears on the letter page of Batman #408 (1987), Jason’s introduction.

Even after a significant amount of investigation, I can’t find a copy of the letter page, but it’s cited by enough secondary sources for me to be comfortable using it. That issue is specifically written to show Jason’s origin, so it makes sense that it would contain Jason’s age at inception, even if the number wasn’t in the actual exposition. 

From Jason being 12, we can establish a seven-year age gap between Jason and Dick, who was 19 at the time. Now we know Bruce, Dick, and Jason’s ages, and the age differences between them.

Back to my original question— when did Bruce acquire Jason? We know that Bruce was 34 when Jason became his ward, and Jason was 12. The next question, however, is when did Bruce adopt Jason? On this one, I’m making an educated guess. 

Again we have to differentiate between pre-crisis and post-crisis timelines. Pre-crisis, there’s a full storyline about the fact that Bruce did not adopt Jason, although not for lack of trying. In Batman #374 (1984), the Child Welfare Bureau investigates Bruce when it notices that Bruce has not adopted Jason— and is not even, in fact, his legal guardian. 

Batman #374 (1984)

The rest of the storyline is about Jason’s custody. A villain named Natalia Knight (Nocturna) adopts Jason in an attempt to get Bruce to marry her in order to become Jason’s father. In the court scene in Batman #377 (1984), Bruce says that he filed to adopt Jason sometime beforehand, although it’s unclear to me whether he means he filed between those issues or the CWB documents were incomplete.

Natalia does adopt Jason in Batman #378 (1984), and he briefly lives with her before returning to Wayne Manor in Batman #381 (1985), directly before the reboot. 

I’m including all of that for two reasons: first, I do think it’s important to clarify both this version and the post-crisis version I’m about to address. Second, I spent years under the impression that Bruce adopted Jason pre-crisis because of one, well-known scene. 

Batman #377 (1984)

Batman #378 (1984)

Batman #381 (1985)

Donna Troy gets married in Tales of the Teen Titans #50 (1985). At the wedding, Bruce and Dick have a conversation about Jason and about their own relationship. A few of those panels get spread around because they contain what I would consider a defining moment between Dick and Bruce. 

I’m certainly not complaining about the amount of times I’ve seen the wedding conversation, but I think that, in regards to Jason, seeing just those panels has created a misconception.

Tales of the Teen Titans #50 (1985)

Without context, it looks, at least to me, like Dick is saying that Bruce has adopted Jason pre-crisis, which isn’t true. This issue takes place between the Natalia adoption in Batman #378 (1984) and Jason’s return to the manor in Batman #381 (1985), and the panels directly before the exchange make that clear. I just didn’t see those panels until I looked through the whole issue for this project. 

I’m reasonably certain that in the past, I publicly cited this issue as evidence of Jason’s adoption, and I was wrong about that. [Note: As it turns out, I was only partially wrong. See section Correction.]

Tales of the Teen Titans #50 (1985)

As we see, the wedding conversation is in the context of the Natalia adoption. With that cleared up, and with the pre-crisis timeline filled out, let’s move to post-crisis. 

In my brief read-through of Batman #404-427 (1987-1988), I didn’t find any direct references to Jason’s status. Those issues begin at the reboot and end at Jason’s death. However, Dick and Jason’s statements after the fact do tell us that post-crisis, Bruce did adopt Jason. 

In Batman #436 (1989), Dick returns to the manor in the direct aftermath of Jason’s death, and while he is there, he sees that Bruce removed any trace of Jason from the house. There aren’t any trophies in the Batcave, and there aren’t any pictures of Jason on the nightstand displaying Bruce’s family photos. 

Dick says that Jason was Bruce’s son.

Batman #436 (1989)

I think it’s fair to ask whether Dick is being literal here, because even if Bruce hadn’t legally adopted Jason, it would still be more than appropriate to call them father and son. I’m not going to place my opinion solely on this kind of statement, even if it does appear pretty regularly from 1988 to the end of the timeline.

Green Arrow/Black Canary #4 (2007)

We get a more definite answer later, during Tim’s first appearance. In Tim’s origin story, he deduces Batman and Robin’s secret identities after he sees footage of Robin doing a type of flip that only the Flying Graysons could do. Tim was at the circus the night Dick’s parents died, so he saw Dick do the flip there, then saw Dick become an orphan. 

Because Tim knew that Dick was the first Robin, he correctly identified Bruce as Batman and Jason as the second Robin. He tells Dick all of this in Batman #441 (1989).

Batman #441 (1989)

Tim does specifically use the word “adopts” here, and that’s good enough for me. The last part is guesswork— I don’t know for certain how old Jason and Bruce were when the adoption took place, but I’m electing to say Jason was 12, the same age as he was when he became Robin. 

I picked that number both out of convenience and because Tim seems to be putting Jason’s adoption and the second Robin’s appearance at around the same time. With that in mind, I think that Jason was 12 years old both when he became Robin and when Bruce adopted him. Using the age gap we already established, that would put Bruce at age 34. 

Circling back to my original question, Dick became Bruce’s ward when Dick was 12 and Bruce was 27. Jason became Bruce’s ward, then adoptive son when Jason was 12 and Bruce was 34. 

At this point in the timeline, Bruce is 34 with one former ward and one adopted son. 

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Correction 

A few days after I wrote my section about Jason’s appearance and adoption, I realized that I was missing a panel citation in my discussion of Jason’s death. The panel is from New Titan #55 (1989), and you’ll see me cite it when I talk about Jason’s death certificate. 

New Titans #55 (1989) is the issue where Dick, who is with the Teen Titans,  finds out about Jason’s death. While I was combing through the issue for the panels I wanted, I reread a scene I had completely forgotten about. Dick goes back to the manor to speak to Bruce, and it doesn’t go well.

New Titans #55 (1989)

I have three comments here. First, I do think this scene is inconsistent with the simultaneous story in the Batman title. In this version, Dick and Bruce have a very aggressive confrontation, but in Batman #436 (1989), Dick appears to be returning to the manor for the first time since Jason died, and there isn’t any reference to a prior fight. 

Putting that aside, Bruce does explicitly say that he adopted Jason, and that’s more, stronger verification of a post-crisis adoption. Lastly, it’s pretty clear that Bruce and Dick are talking about the wedding scene. 

I already explained that the wedding scene is pre-crisis, and in the original text, that conversation is about Bruce wanting to, but not being able to, adopt Jason. New Titans #55 (1989) carries the wedding scene into post-crisis canon, changing the language in the process. In this version, Bruce has adopted Jason. 

I was still wrong about the wedding scene because in the past, I used it as evidence of a pre-crisis adoption. It isn’t pre-crisis evidence, but it is, in a roundabout way, evidence of the post-crisis adoption. I wanted to clear that up before I move on to Jason’s death. 

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Jason dies

Jason’s death is by far the shakiest point on my timeline, but I’ve chosen to put him at 15 the day he died in Batman #427 (1988). 

I think it’s safe to say that Jason was either 14 or 15 when he died, and my basic conclusion is that running numbers doesn’t give me a definite answer. There’s a cop-out option based on an extraordinarily poor source, and I’m taking the cop-out. 

The general consensus seems to be that Jason was 15 at his death, citation to Jason’s death certificate. Jason’s death certificate appears in two different places, and I think most folks conflate the two. 

To my knowledge, the only copy of Jason’s death certificate in full appears in The Batman Files (2011), where it does list Jason’s age as 15. 

The Batman Files (2011)

Now there is a partial copy in Batman Annual #25 (2006), which I would argue is a very reliable reference when it comes to Jason. That issue is part of the Under the Red Hood story, the one where Jason returns to Gotham for the first time after his resurrection. In fact, the specific annual issue has a timeline for Jason’s events counting forward from his death. 

Here’s the problem: the issue doesn’t say his age at death. The partial copy of his death certificate looks like this. 

Batman Annual #25 (2006) 

I think that when most folks remember a death certificate, they think of this one, the one from a very important issue, instead of The Batman Files (2011) which, as noted, is a very bad source. 

I have three issues with The Batman Files (2011): the format, the publishing date, and the other information on the certificate. First, The Batman Files (2011) isn’t a comic book at all. It’s a commemorative book published in collaboration with DC in 2011. Now I don’t think that fact completely removes the book as a source, but it certainly damages its value as one. 

My problem with that date, 2011, is that it’s the year the New 52 premiered. I called it a commemorative book because it’s meant to be a look back at a fully complete timeline, a kind of “this is us saying goodbye” product. The date and format alone make me hesitant to cite the certificate, but on top of that, the certificate is inconsistent with prior canon. 

I am intimately familiar with retcons and conflicting numbers in the DC timeline. I made a point at the beginning of this paper to tell you that although this is my best attempt to make a cohesive timeline, assuming that I can carve out a cohesive timeline is fundamentally flawed. 

I’m not saying that a single contradictory number is enough to make me disregard a source. I am saying that in this particular conversation about an already suspect source, I’m going to take inconsistency into account. 

In New Titans #55 (1989), the issue from Corrections, Dick finds out about Jason’s death because a team member notices Jason’s status is set at “unknown.” Dick uses Bruce’s passcode to access restricted information, and he and the Titans see that Jason’s real status is “deceased.” 

The death certificate in The Batman Files (2011) marks Jason’s height at 4’6 and his age at 15. In contrast, Dick’s scene puts Jason at 5’4, and its only reference to Jason’s age is a very relatable question from Donna. “How old was he, anyway?”

New Titans #55 (1989)

There’s a substantial difference between the two heights, and I think it’s also worth noting that for a 15 year old American male, 4’6 is in the 0.1 height percentile. In the past, I and many others have tried to justify that height along the lines of Jason being malnourished or similarly afflicted. Personally, I liked the parallel between this height for Jason and Damian’s height at his own death in 2013, and I know I’ve talked about that in the past.

I’m not criticizing anyone for using the 4’6 number, but I do think the unlikelihood of a 15 year old that size is worth bringing up. 

In summary, The Batman Files (2011) is so bad of a source that I’m only willing to use it as a last resort. Unfortunately, it’s time for a last resort. 

I mentioned a timeline in Batman Annual #25 (2006) that counts forward from Jason’s death. I’m not going to use image cites here because they’re just isolated text boxes labeled either “six months later” or “one year later.”

Using that timeline, we know that Jason’s resurrection took place six months after his death. He spent one year in a coma, then one year on the street, then one year with the League of Assassins. Finally, he spent a nebulous time training before he returned to Gotham. 

We know that Jason was gone for a minimum of three and a half years, then whatever time “training” includes. Personally, I’m applying my best attempt at comic logic to say he was missing for somewhere between three and four years. 

To understand the next bit, I need to point out that from Jason’s death on, I’m going to be using Tim’s age to track time in the same way I’ve been using Dick’s so far. 

As a reminder, I know what age Bruce was when Dick became Robin (28), and I know Dick’s age at the same point (13), so I know there’s a 15 year age difference. As I track Dick’s age through the timeline, I add 15 to get Bruce’s. 

In the same way, I know what age Dick was when Jason became Robin (19), and I know Jason’s age at the same point (12), so I know there’s a 7 year age difference. I can use that number ongoing. 

I know that Tim was 13 when he made his first appearance as Robin, and I’ll get into that in the next section. After that, I’m placing Dick, Tim, and Cass’s adoptions based on Tim’s age. 

To do that, I need to know how much older Dick is than Tim, and I can only get that by knowing Jason’s age at his death, sort of. 

How long was Jason Robin? If I had that information, I could establish Jason’s age by counting up from 12, the age when he became Robin, then establish Tim’s age from there.  

I can’t really answer that question. There is a panel from Batman #436 where Dick, apparently in his first time at the manor since Jason’s death says the following. 

Batman #436 (1989)

My instinctual interpretation is it’s been two years since he stopped being Robin at 19, making Dick 21 and Jason 14. In my opinion, that’s straightforward plain language, but it seems like I’m in the minority on that one, and most folks read it as Dick saying it’s been two years since he was last at the manor. We know from Batman #416 (1988) that Dick’s last visit to the manor was 18 months after Dick left home. 

Batman #136 (1988)

I think the most honest thing to say is that Jason was Robin for an indeterminate amount of time that was somewhere between two and three years. I don’t know which number is closer. I also, if you remember, think that Jason was gone from Gotham for somewhere between three and four years, but I don’t know where in that range the real number is. 

Here’s why absolutely nothing I’ve said in the past seven pages matters: I need to build my timeline based on the age gap between Jason and Tim. 

I don’t know how old Tim was when Jason died. 

I know how old Tim was at his first appearance as Robin, and that’s a different number. 

We’ll finish this conversation in a moment.

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Tim becomes Robin

We begin, thankfully, with a straightforward fact. Tim’s first storyline spans Batman #440-442 (1989). The arc is called A Lonely Place of Dying, and we already talked about it. Tim, having watched Batman and Robin from the shadows for years, comes forwards in the aftermath of Jason’s death in an attempt to convince Dick to become Robin for a second time.

Batman #441 (1989)

We know that Tim was 13 years old at the time, but I do need to clarify exactly what time that was— an indeterminate amount of time after Jason’s death. 

The word that pops up a couple of time in Tim’s first arc is “months,” from Tim and Two-Face. How many months? Who’s to say. 

Batman #442 (1989)

So, from the top. We know that Bruce was eight when his parents died, 26 when he became Batman, 27 when he met Dick, 28 when Dick became Robin, and 34 when he met Jason.

Dick was 12 when he met Bruce, 13 when he became Robin, 19 when he left home and Jason became Robin. 

Jason was 12 when he became Robin.

Bruce is 15 years older than Dick. Bruce is 22 years older than Jason. 

Dick is 7 years older than Jason.

How long was Jason Robin? Unknown, but somewhere between two and three years. At that point, he died. “Months” after that, Tim was 13. 

Here, we need to acknowledge that Jason could have been either 14 or 15 at his death, and at the same time, Tim was either 12 or 13. We need to know how far they are apart to calculate Tim’s age in relation to Jason, Dick, and Bruce— ongoing, we will always know exactly how old Tim is, so (if we know how far apart Jason and Tim are) we will always know Bruce, Dick, and Jason’s age from there. 

How much older than Tim is Jason? Somewhere between one and three years, I guess, but I can’t really go beyond a well-researched guess. In my opinion, there isn’t a straightforward answer for this one.

Having presented my facts, here is my conclusion. Jason was 15 when he died. At the same time, Tim was 13. They are two years apart. 

Why? To begin, I’m more comfortable using the number we already have for Tim, 13, than I am dropping him to 12 on the mere possibility that he could have been 12. 

Second, even though The Batman Files (2011) is a terrible source, it does at least sort of indicate that the official DC position is a Jason who was 15 years old at his death. 

Third, visually speaking, Jason looks closer to 15 than 14 at his death. Is that good evidence? No, absolutely not. Comic book art is definitionally variable, but I am going to pull a few panels for you to look over. 

Batman #427 (1988)

Finally, I feel that Jason and Tim are, in later works, treated as if they are different ages. I’m not going to go into much detail on that one because it is purely a personal reaction, but I would refer to Teen Titans #29 (2005) as an example. That issue has Jason and Tim’s first meeting, after Jason comes to the tower specifically to attack Tim. 

Teen Titans #27 (2005)

Another well-known issue to check out is Teen Titans #47 (2007).

My basic position is that there are so many ways, all uncertain, to slice Jason and Tim’s ages that I can take my pick. I chose the ones that most closely mirror later canon, fall most squarely into the possible range, and feel the most intuitively right. 

They also have the benefit of simplicity, which was very much a factor. 

Don’t agree with me? Fair enough. I think I’ve given you enough information to make an educated judgment, and I’ve also gone ahead and made a timeline in the alternative. In this one, Jason was 14 at death, and he and Tim are only one year apart. 

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In the Alternative

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Cass appears

Having progressed beyond Jason and Tim’s age gap, we reenter simple canon. I hope you’re as pleased as I am. 

Cass was 17 years old at her first appearance, which we can establish easily based on two different issues. Cass first appears in Batman #567 (1999), during an arc called No Man’s Land. At the time, she is working for Barbara Gordon in the aftermath of an earthquake that destroyed most of Gotham. We learn Cass’s backstory through that issue. 

Cass’s biological father is David Cain, a villain, who raised Cass in isolation, never exposing her to a verbal language or allowing any kind of socialization. By comic book logic, her upbringing gave her a near-superhuman ability to understand and anticipate physical actions, as those actions are her only form of communication. 

Cain trained her as a child assassin, then took her to her first kill. Cass murdered a man and experienced, through his body language, the pain he felt at his death. Immediately afterward, she ran away from her father.

Batgirl #62 (2005)

We know that Cass was eight years old when she killed and ran. We also know that her first appearance in Gotham was nine years after she ran, thanks to Barbara Gordon’s file. 

Batgirl #1 (2000)

Simple enough. She was 17. How old was everybody else? We find out from Tim’s timeline. 

This next bit will come up a few times. We know that Tim was 15 from at least 1993 to 2003, established by three different issues. We know from Detective Comics #668 (1993) that Tim was 15 during Knightquest, the arc where Jean-Paul Valley was briefly Batman. Barbara tells us in 2002 that Tim is still 15, and Tim turns 16 on-panel in 2003. 

In Knightquest, Tim gets his driver’s license early, at age 15, because Jack Drake is in a wheelchair. I suppose the wording here is ambiguous on a technicality, but I don’t think there’s any significant argument against Tim being 15; if he was only 14, the language would be different.  

Detective Comics #668 (1993)

Next, in Batgirl #24 (2002), Barbara says she’s “sending a 15 year old” as she reaches for Tim’s com line.

Batgirl #24 (2002)

We could stop here for Cassandra’s appearance, since that happened in 1999, between the 1993 issue and the 2002 reference. For completion’s sake, however, let’s note that Robin #116 (2003) is about Tim’s 16th birthday. He forgets about it, so his step-mother throws a surprise party. 

Robin #116 (2003)

Okay, so Tim was 15 when Cass appeared at age 17. That puts Bruce at 39, Dick at 24, and Jason at 17 if you’re counting by years elapsed since his birth. 

Bruce met his daughter when he was 39 and she was 17, in reference to my original question. Cass is 22 years younger than Bruce, seven years younger than Dick, the same age as Jason, and two years older than Tim. 

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Dick is adopted

This one, having already established Tim’s timeline, is very simple. Dick was adopted in Gotham Knights #17 (2001).

Gotham Knights #17 (2001)

Again, Tim was 15 from 1993 to 2003, and 2001 falls within that range. Tim was 15, which makes Dick 24 and Bruce 39. 

At this point in the timeline, Bruce, a 39 year old, has two adopted children, one of whom is deceased as far as Bruce is concerned. His adopted children are (17) and 24. He has already met two of his future children, Cass and Tim. 

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This is PART ONE. I’ll reblog Part Two onto this post when I wake up, which should be around the same time this posts. 

[silverwhittlingknife]

The ages of the Batfamily kids according to Secret Files timelines

Today I saw a really nice rundown calculating the Batfamily ages in the 80s, and it reminded me that I've been meaning to post my personal favorite timelines, which are from the late 90s retcon!

In the late 90s, post-Zero Hour, DC decided to create the official Secret Files timelines. The key points of these timelines for the Batfamily:

Dick and Tim are six years apart and both became Robin at age 13; Jason was only Robin for a year

So for example, in the 1997 Batman Secret Files timeline, Dick’s parents are killed in Year 2, Dick becomes Robin in Year 3, Jason becomes Robin and then dies in Year 7, and Tim becomes Robin in Year 9. So 6 years pass between Dick becoming Robin and Tim becoming Robin.

Why This is Good: Jason only being Robin for a year

I personally like this a lot. Street-kid Jason (as opposed to pre-Crisis acrobat Jason of the Flying Todds) was introduced in June 1987 and then infamously died in Death in the Family in December 1988. That's only about 18 months real-time, i.e. Robin!Jason has very few plotlines. Here's a list of all Robin!Jason's appearances from his introduction to his death:

Batman 408-10: Jason's introduction: Jason becomes Robin

B 411-12: Two-Face kills Willis Todd; Jason seeks revenge

B 413-5: Three one-shots with random villains

Detective Comics 580-581: Jason vs. Two-Face again

B 416: Dick finds out about the new Robin; they meet for the 1st time

B 417-20: Jason and Bruce fight KG Beast

B 421-22: Dumpster Slasher kills women; Jason gets violent (in 423 Jason doesn't appear)

B 424-5: Jason is mayybe responsible for Felipe Garzonas's death

B 426-8: Death in the Family: Jason dies.

Keeping Jason's tenure as Robin short allows the in-universe timeline to not outstrip the out-of-universe timeline. Plus IMO it explains - in part - why Jason's relationship with Bruce and Dick might be so shaky that he's furious at them when he comes back as the Red Hood: he wasn't Robin long enough to develop relationships with them that he trusted.

More broadly... if you try to backfill relationships off-panel, a lot of the storylines that did happen on panel become weird. So, for example, Dick saying that Jason wasn't ready to be Robin in NT 55, or Dick using Jason as a cautionary tale for Tim in NT 67, or Dick saying they didn't know each other well in GK 45. Or later storylines, like Jason gloating about how Dick is probably dead in UtRH, or Jason stabbing Dick in Nightwing and attacking him in BftC and B&R. Dick and Jason have a ton of conflict in post-Crisis, and YMMV, but it reads to me more as "we've never known each other well so we don't trust or understand each other," which is very different tonally from "we used to be really close but now we've had a bitter falling-out."

And personally, there's something I find really compelling about the idea of Dick and Jason having never gotten close before his death - partly just because I love and enjoy conflict, but also because it leaves the possibility for them to someday create a later, stronger relationship as adults, finally actually getting to know each other and growing beyond those tensions from earlier years.

Nightwing Secret Files

Published two years after Batman Secret Files, Nightwing Secret Files (1999) has a largely identical timeline: Dick’s parents die in Year 1, Dick becomes Robin in Year 2, Jason becomes Robin and then dies in Year 7, and Tim becomes Robin in Year 8. Again, 6 years pass between Dick becoming Robin and Tim becoming Robin. Again, Jason dies within a year.

And the Guide to the DC Universe (2000) again has a six-year difference between Dick-becomes-Robin and Tim-becomes-Robin:

Some comics track these timelines exactly! For example, in Teen Titans .5, Slade recalls the events of New Titans 84 (a bit after Tim's origin story), and says they happened "three years ago." He also mentions the Graysons' deaths, which he says happened "ten years ago." In other words: a seven-year gap, just like you'd expect.

Of course, comics are never completely consistent - in this incredibly clunky As You Know Bob scene, Tim and Dick explain Tim's origin story to each other, and Dick implies that Tim was about seven when the Graysons died (YJ Secret Origins 80-Page Giant 1998).

According to Secret Files timelines, though, Tim ought to have been six, not seven. Oh well. XD

Why This is Good: Dick and Tim being relatively close in age

The late 90s/00s is the heyday of Dick and Tim's relationship, and although Tim's definitely Dick's little brother, the age gap's often not that big a deal. Their vibe is "high schooler & college student." Tim calls Dick his best friend. Dick calls Tim his closest ally. They rely on each other.

They also have some significant fights.

I love their dynamic, I love THEM, and I think all these comics work best with the age gap as originally envisioned, akin to the one between Tim and Damian: big enough that it sometimes matters, but small enough that they can have fights or snipe at each other without Dick being de facto in the wrong.

IMO, if you make the age gap too big, Dick and Tim's relationship starts blurring into Dick and Damian's pseudo-parent + child thing, and it really screws with Dick's characterization, because their sibling squabbles are normal for older brother+younger brother, but weird for adult+child. Their tensions in e.g. Nightwing 6 & 11, Bruce Wayne: Murderer, Titans/YJ: Graduation Day, Red Robin, etc. all read differently if Dick's too much older than Tim.

A random grab-bag of Dick and Tim in the 90s/00s:

(Roughhousing! Pranks! Talking about girlfriends! Confiding insecurities! Complaining about Bruce! Squabbling about who gets to meet Oracle's ex! <3 They're brothers, not parent-child, and that's really important to their interactions.)

Secret Files: potential problems

Okay, now that I've hopefully sold you on these beautiful timelines, what are some of the issues with them?

1. Nightwing Secret Files retcons Dick’s backstory so that he left Gotham / became Nightwing at around age 17 instead of 19. This gives Dick more angst, so I like it. It makes Bruce more unsympathetic, though, so depending on your preferred Dick-and-Bruce relationship, though, you may not be a fan.

2. Trickier: retroactively de-aging Dick creates various continuity problems if you try to use his pre-Crisis history (and some of his early post-Crisis history), 'cause you have to work out when on earth he went to Hudson University or if he did go there, plus some awkwardness with the Titans, like when you try to calculate how old Roy was when Lian was born, etc. etc.. OTOH I think Donna's canonically 19 when she marries Terry Long (sigh), so the Titans do just get involved in serious relationships at young ages. (It's comic book world! 13-year-olds fight crime! 19-year-olds get married! Time is an illusion only waiting to be retconned!) I think these continuity problems are surmountable but they definitely exist.

3. I'm not a huge fan of Jason dying a whole year before Tim becomes Robin.

I think Tim's origin story makes much more sense if he starts panicking about Batman a few months after Jason's death instead of waiting a whole year. In Nightwing Secret Files, Jason dies a year before Tim shows up; in Batman Secret Files, Jason dies two years before Tim shows up! IMO this is way too much time!

If I were in charge of tweaking these timelines,

If I were in charge of tweaking these timelines, I'd give Tim and Jason a three-year age gap and have Jason die at 15, shortly before his 16th birthday, in the same year that Tim becomes Robin. I can kind of justify this because...

Both Cass and Jason seem to be about 2-3 years older than Tim.

Cass is 18 in Batgirl 39 (Jun 2003), when Tim is 15.

Tim then turns 16 in Robin 116, published in Nov 2003. So I think - depending on which you prefer - you could make a "canon" argument for an age gap of 2 or 3 years between Cass and Tim.

And in Batgirl 65 we’re told Cass is about the same age as Jason.

To summarize, in the late 90s/early 00s timelines:

Dick is 2-3 years older than Cass and Jason

Dick is 5 years older than Steph (she seems to be a year older than Tim - she's 15 when he's 14, and she's in college when he's 17).

Dick is 6 years older than Tim.

Dick is 13 years older than Damian (since Tim is 7 years older than Damian).

(Basically most people's ages should be calculated based on Tim's because he's the only one who regularly has birthdays. =p)

Consider! If Dick is 13 years older than Damian... that means that Damian is born right around the time when Dick becomes Robin.

This isn't hugely important or anything but I think it's cool.

(I also think it's cool that the age gap between Dick and Tim is about the same as the one between Tim and Damian. Plus Jason and Cass are about in the middle between Dick and Tim. Everyone's so nicely equidistant!)

I'm not totally sure when this retcon started - possibly in 1994 with Zero Hour? It of course totally contradicts everything implied by the comics in the 80s, and there is no possible way to reconcile them. =p

But, uh, on the bright side we get to pick the stuff we like?

Ah, comics. XD

[dracaelus]

Everyone: why tf would you choose to work with that airheaded himbo bruce wayne

Lucius: have you considered his heart of gold and the fact that he just handed me the company to do whatever I wanted to. Have you considered that we're besties. Do you know how rich >I< am

From Batman: Secret Files and Origins (1997)

[ufonaut]

With Jared’s return in Infinite Frontier (2021) #4, I thought it was time to finally put together a proper reading list that includes all his appearance in some capacity. So, without further ado:

VITAL

The Book of Fate (1997) #1-12 - miniseries by Keith Giffen & Ron Wagner. While technically acting as a reboot of the earlier Fate series, it is almost certainly the best introduction to the character as a down-on-his-luck petty thief conned into stealing the artifacts of Doctor Fate and finding himself chosen as an agent of true balance. It’s a compelling, humours series built on a heavy subtext of social class dynamics filled with many familiar faces from DC’s magic side.

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #69-70 - Jared’s singular appearance in a mainstream title but an absolutely delightful one. When signs of some incoming occult apocalypse start appearing all over Gotham, Batman is aided by the man called Fate, now having come into his own as a reality repairman.

Scare Tactics (1996) #8 - Tactics as a whole is a fantastic miniseries starring Jared’s best friend, Arnold Burnsteel, as an unwilling father figure/manager to a band of teenage monsters (two of which are a gay werewolf & a lesbian/bisexual vampire!) but issue #8 specifically picks up where The Book of Fate #6 left off as part of the ‘Convergence’ crossover.

The backups in Impulse Plus (1997) #1, Superboy Plus (1997) #2, Catwoman Plus (1997) #1, Robin Plus (1997) #2 - The backups, read in that order, tell the origins of the Scare Tactics band but also feature Jared & Arnold freeing the kids from a facility known as the R-Complex.

The L.A.W. (Living Assault Weapons) (1999) #1 - Jared’s last appearance before his untimely death but firmly worth reading for the glimpses of him in the reality repairman role.

OPTIONAL

Fate (1994) #0-22 - The original post-Zero Hour series that introduced Jared Stevens as Fate. While a very enjoyable read, it suffers greatly from some of the stereotypes of nineties ‘edgy’ writing and subpar art. Great for a more in-depth look at Jared and Arnold’s friendship and definitely the first stop in the search for more Fate content after the above but not the most gripping introduction.

Underworld Unleashed: Hell’s Sentinel (1995) #1 - Coincidentally one of my favourite Alan Scott stories, it’s also the first time Jared teams up with The Conclave (Sentinel, Phantom Stranger, Etrigan, The Spectre, etc).

More Weird Mystery Tales (1997) #1 - A promo comic for The Book of Fate (1997) featuring a fun little story of Jared meeting The Challengers of the Unknown.

JSA Secret Files (1999) #1 and JSA (1999) #1, #47-48, #58, #63 - The prelude to Jared’s death, the event itself & consequences. Arguably out of character in many ways, these mark Jared’s last major appearances for a good long while.

MODERN

The Multiversity (2014) #2 - In present day, Jared Stevens reappeared as Fate on Earth 13. He’s effectively retained all aspects of his original appearance, with the sole exception of the fact that he’s now part of the League of Shadows with Superdemon, Hellblazer, Annataz, etc.

Superman (2016) #15 - Jared appears as part of the League of Shadows.

DC’s Very Merry Multiverse (2020) #1 - Jared briefly appears in the Earth 13 story.

Infinite Frontier (2021) #4 - Jared’s first major appearance in the modern era happens at the end of the issue, seemingly as a member of Injustice Incarnate. It will most likely be followed up on in Infinite Frontier (2021) #5-6, as he’s even on the cover of the latter.

ASSORTED CAMEOS

Guy Gardner: Warrior (1992) #29

Underworld Unleashed (1995) #3

JLA in Crisis Secret Files (1998) #1

Scare Tactics (1996) #7

Flash Forward (2020) #4

Dark Nights: Death Metal (2021) #5

[northoftheroad]

Electric Nightwing

Hi, @sulverselle​  

I don't know that I have a lot of answers for you... For starters, besides what you've mentioned, there's only one issue I know when Dick's suit gave a taser charge: Nightwing vol 2 # 57.

Nightwing vol 2 # 57. By Chuck Dixon, art Rick Leonardi, Jesse Delperdang and Mark Farmer. 

The fingerstripe suit was designed by Brian Stelfreeze for Nightwing volume 1 (1995). In his model sheet, he mentions that the blue is "a controlled photochromic fabric. Nightwing can shift the tone from light blue to navy". (Neat, I wish I had that for my sewing projects. Though I can’t recall any writer using that colour change. But notice that it also says that the two middle fingers extend to a claw - remember that pic you sent me once...? Brian Stelfreeze is one of the artists credited for the cover it's from, which explains why Nightwing has those claws. I don't ever remember a writer using it plotwise.) However, Stelfreeze didn't mention anything about an electric charge.

Brian Stelfreeze's model sheet.

Finger claws on the cover of The Batman Chronicles Gallery #1 (1997)

Enter Nightwing volume 2 in 1996, written by Chuck Dixon for the first 70 issues. Chuck Dixon also wrote Nightwing Secret Files and Origins in 1999, and there it says that his costume "contains a one-use only taser charge." So, Chuck Dixon probably invented that. I can't remember or find any other writer using that particular suit gadget in another title, which is no guarantee it never happened. (Dick used that model of his Nightwing suit for 15 years, after all.) 

Nightwing Secret Files and Origins (1999). Profile page on Nightwing, written by Chuck Dixon, art Scott McDaniel and Karl Story. 

When it comes to Nightwing's suit being insulated, the answer has to be that it was as early as Nightwing vol 2 # 14 (because otherwise, he would have been affected by Batman's charge, like the baddies were) but not in every story after that. Which means writers change the suit's characteristics to suit their narrative. (I guess they could pretend that the suit's insolation wasn't effective against certain voltage...?) For instance, Dixon also wrote # 28, when Dick was knocked out because Dixon needed Huntress to knock him out...

Nightwing vol 2 # 14. By Chuck Dixon, art Scott McDaniel and Karl Story.

In Rebirth, Dick's suit had a built-in defibrillator and medical sensors in vol 4 # 36. I can't remember him using it as a taser, but an electrical charge is an electrical charge so I would assume that it could be done.

Nightwing vol 4 # 36. By Sam Humphries, art Bernard Chang. 

When it comes to his escrimas, as far as I know, they were never equipped with tasers before Flashpoint. (He did have a line in one of them in Outsiders vol 3 # 2 though.) In Nightwing Secret Files and Origins from 1999, the escrima sticks were described as made from a polymer.

Outsiders vol 3 # 2. By Judd Winick, art Tom Raney and Scott Hanna. 

Edit – Dick also had a line in his escrima stick in Batman # 638, by Judd Winnick, art Doug Mahnke and Tom Nguyen. 

The first time I can find that Nightwing uses taser-escrimas is in Nightwing vol 3 # 10, though he doesn't turn them on until # 11.

Nightwing vol 3 # 10 (August 2012). By Kyle Higgins, art Eddy Barrows, Geraldo Borges, Eber Ferreira and Ruy José. 

Nightwing vol 3 # 11 (September 2012). By Kyle Higgins, art Andres Guinaldo and Mark Irwin.

But, in the game Batman: Arkham City (released October 2011), Nightwing's escrima sticks can deliver "non-lethal short electric bursts". So electrified escrima sticks were, to the best of my knowledge, introduced in the game.

[marvelthalia]

Artemis Of Bana Mighdall Reading Guide / Read List

(Things in brackets are things where she only has a minor role)

Bold is recommended reading

Pre First Appearance:

Wonder Woman V2 #29-35 (Bana Mighdall's first appearance, Artemis not seen)

Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity #1-3 (Set chronologically earlier than Artemis’ first appearance when she was a teen)

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First Appearance + Wonder Woman:

WW V2 #90, #0, #91-93

Justice League America  Vol. 1 (1989) #97-99

(Guy Gardener: Warrior #29)

(Justice League America #100)

WW V2 #94-100

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Demon Hunter Days:

Artemis: Requiem #1-6

Wonder Woman V2 (#121-122), #123-125

(JLA Vol.1 (1997) #5 + Aztek: The Ultimate Man Vol. 1 #10)

(Genesis #1-4)

(Wonder Woman #126-127)

Wonder Woman V2 Annual #6

(It was the 90s give them a break)

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Trainer of Heroes:

Superman/Batman #9-10, #13

Wonder Woman V2 #128-136

Wonder Woman Secret Files and Origins #1

Wonder Woman #139-142, #144

DCU Holiday Bash III

WW V2 Annual #8

Wonder Woman V2 (#153), #156-159

Young Justice V1 #22

Wonder Woman: Our Worlds at War #1 (one-shot)

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Paradise Lost and Found:

(Wonder Woman Secret Files and Origins #2)

Wonder Woman V2 #164-169, (#172), #173-174

Wonder Woman V2 #177(-178, #186, #188)

(Wonder Woman Secret Files and Origins #3)

Wonder Woman V2 #191, (#195-197), #198-203

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Infinite Crisis:

Wonder Woman V2 #208, (#218), #221-224

(Infinite Crisis #2-3)

(Wonder Woman 1,000,000)

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Amazons Attack! Event:

Amazons Attack #1

Wonder Woman v3 #8

Amazons Attack #2

Wonder Woman v3 #9

Amazons Attack #3

Teen Titans v3 #48

Wonder Woman v3 #10

Amazons Attack #4

Teen Titans v3 #49

Wonder Woman v3 #11

Amazons Attack #5

Wonder Woman v3 #12

Amazons Attack #6

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The Circle:

 Secret Six (2008) #10-14

Wonder Woman V3 (#22), #37-39 + #44 + #611 + #614

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Injustice Universe:

Injustice: Gods Among Us Year 4 #5-8, (#9), #10-11, #13-14, (#15-#17), #18, #20, #23

(I’d suggest just reading the whole of Year 4)

—

Alternate Timelines + Universes:

- The Morrigan/Odyssey Timeline

- Wonder Woman V3 #606-612, #614

- Wonder Woman: Earth One Vol. 1-3 (Very minor role)

- The Multiversity: The Just (Artemis as Wonder Woman, very very minor role)

- Wonder Woman v1 #250-251 (Orana is an alt version of Artemis)

- Wonder Woman 1, 000, 000

- Avengers/JLA Vol.1 #2

- Flashpoint:

Flashpoint: Wonder Woman and the Furies (2011) #1-2

Flashpoint: Lois Lane and the Resistance (2011) #1-3

Flashpoint: Wonder Woman and the Furies (2011) #3

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Other/Misc/AU but more modern:

- Superman Giant Vol 1. #9-10 + #13 (2019)

- Wonder Woman 80th Anniversary 100-page Super Spectacular

- Robin 80th Anniversary 100-page Super Spectacular

- Dark Nights: Death Metal #7

- Sensational Wonder Woman #3-4 (Digital First)

- Sensational Wonder Woman #11-12 (Digital FIrst)

- Wonder Woman: Agent of Peace #14 (Digital First)

- Wonder Woman: Black and Gold Vol. 2

- Generations Shattered Vol. 1 + Generations Forged Vol. 1

- Red Hood: Outlaw WEBTOON (this is a good one)

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DC Rebirth:

Dark Trinity + Trinity:

Red Hood and the Outlaws #1-7

Trinity Annual #1, Trinity #12-15

Red Hood And The Outlaws Annual #1

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Who Is Artemis? + The Enemy Of Both Sides + Life of Bizarro:

Red Hood and the Outlaws #8-14

Wonder Woman #52-55

Red Hood and the Outlaws #15-20

(Batman: Prelude to the Wedding: Red Hood vs. Anarky #1)

Red Hood and the Outlaws #21-25

Red Hood And The Outlaws Annual #2

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Outlaw + Generation Outlaws:

Red Hood: Outlaw #30-31 (flashbacks)

Red Hood: Outlaw Annual #3

Red Hood: Outlaw #37-50

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Amazons United + Trials of The Amazons

Wonder Woman Annual #4

Wonder Woman #750 + #780-781

Wonder Girl (2021) #1-4

Trial of the Amazons #1

Nubia & The Amazons #6

Trial of the Amazons: Wonder Girl #1

Wonder Woman #786

Nubia: Coronation Special

Trial of the Amazons: Wonder Girl #2

Trial of the Amazons #2

Artemis: Wanted

[keyofjetwolf]

Pitch Me your thing!

HELLO HELLO MY SUNBEAMS. For most every category, there was an impressive turn-out for pitches, so I thought we’d utilize the weirdness of this year’s GIFTENING to give something new a try. The popular vote winner for each category will happen on the first day, but on the second, the winner will be chosen from YOUR PITCHES. Mostly those pitches will be to me. The exception is in Miscellaneous, where you’ll be pitching to my family, because what I want to do and what is most entertaining isn’t necessarily the same thing.

So! How will we do this thing? GLAD YOU ASKED. I’ll link you to a form in a minute with space for one pitch. Once you fill it out, you’ll be asked if you want to do another. There’s no limit to the number of pitches you can send in! But remember that if you submit multiple entries for the same category, you’ll basically be competing against yourself.

NOW WE’VE GOT SOME RULES FOR DOING THIS (which I mostly stole from Holligay, because I have no creativity this year). Please read them carefully! I’ll toss pitches that break any of these, and I’d rather your hard work not go to waste.

Pitch Me is open for your submissions from RIGHT NOW (22 December) through the very last day of this hellyear (31 December) at 11:59pm MT.

The thing you pitch must have come from what was nominated for THE GIFTENING 2020. (Full list of those nominations in every category below the cut on this post.)

Entries must be unsigned! I’m looking to chose based on the pitch alone, regardless of who submitted it.

The pitch itself must be 100 words or less. HAVE PITY ON ME I CAN ONLY CONSUME SO MUCH.

If you’d like to get some help, ideas, feedback, all that good stuff, the Discord is a FANTASTIC resource I encourage you to use.

HERE IS YOUR PITCH SUBMISSION LINK

And, as promised, below the cut you’ll find the list of all the nominees in every category you guys sent in this year. IT’S A LONG LIST HAVE FUN WITH THAT

Anime

A Place Further Than The Universe/Sora Yori mo Toi Basho Ace Attorney (Gyakuten Saiban) Action Heroine Cheer Fruits Aggretsuko Aho Girl Air Master Akuma No Riddle Alien Nine Angel Beats! Angelic Layer Appare-Ranman Aria Aria the Animation Arrietty/ The Secret World of Arrietty (Ghibli film) Ascendance of a Bookworm Azumamga Daioh Baccano! Beastars Black Cat Blood + (the series) Bloom Into You Blue Drop/Tenshitachino Gikyoku Bodacious Space Pirates (starting right where you left off) BOFURI: I Don't Want to Get Hurt, so I'll Max Out My Defense Boku no hero academia Bubblegum Crisis Card Captor Sakura: Clear Card Cardcaptor Sakura Castlevania the Animated Series Cells at Work Chaos; Head Chihayafuru Code Geass cowboy Bebop Cyborg 009 Death Note Death Parade Deca-Dence Demon Girl Next Door Demon Slayer (Kimetsu no Yaiba) Diebuster: Aim For the Top 2 Dog Days dorohedoro Dot Hack//SIGN Dr. Stone Elfen Lied Erased (Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi) Escaflowne Excel Saga Fantastic Children Fate/Zero Flip Flappers Fresh Precure Fruits Basket 2019 Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood Ga rei Zero GaoGaiGar gekkan shoujo nozaki-kun Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex Ghost Stories (dubbed) Girls' Last Tour Great Pretender Hoseki no Kuni/ Land of the Lustrous House of Five Leaves/ Saraiya Goyou Inari konkon koi iroha Interviews with Monster Girls Inuyasha Isekai Izakaya "Nobu" Jellyfish Princess/ Kuragehime JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 4: Diamond is Unbreakable Kaguya-sama Love Is War Kaleido Star Kannazuki no Miko Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Kemono Friends Kiki's Delivery Service Kimi ni Todoke: From Me To You Kino's Journey/Kino no Tabi (2003) Land of the Lustrous (Houseki no Kuni) Little Witch Academia Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files EP0 {"A Grave Keeper") Love is Hard for an Otaku Love Live! Sunshine!! lupin the 3rd part 4 Madoka: The Rebellion Movie Magic knight rayearth Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha March Comes in Like a Lion Mardock Scramble Master of Martial Hearts Mawaru Penguindrum Megalobox Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid Mob Psycho 100 Mobile Suit Gundam (1979) Monster Mushishi My Bride is a Mermaid (Seto No Hanayome) My Love Story!!! My Neighbor Totoro My Next Life As A Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom My Roommate is a Cat NANA Naruto Natsume’s Book of Friends Neon Genesis Evangelion (hateblog) New Cutey Honey Nichijou Ōban Star-Racers One Piece Ouran High school Host club Outlaw Star Paranoia Agent Perfect Blue Please Save My Earth Pop Team Epic Pretty Cure Fresh Princess Jellyfish/ Kuragehime Princess Mononoke Princess Principal Princess Tutu Project A-Ko promised neverland (/yakusoku no neverland) Psycho-Pass Ranma 1/2 Re: Cutie Honey Re:Creators Read or Die (OAV) Red Garden relife Revolutionalry Girl Utena Rose of Versailles Ruroni Kenshin Sailor Moon Sailor Moon (viz dub) Samurai Champloo (english dub) Sarazanmai School Days School-Live! Scum's Wish Senki Zesshou Symphogear (listed as just "Symphogear" on Crunchyroll.) Serei no Moribito (Guardian of the Spirit) Shin Sekai Yori (From The New World) Shirobako Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju Sleepy Princess in the Demon Castle Smile Pretty Cure (Japanese original)/ Glitter Force (english adaptation) Snow White with the Red Hair Sound Euphonium Strawberry Panic (yuri) Sweetness and Lightning The Devil is a Part-timer The Devil Lady The disasterous life of saiki k (saiki kusuo no Sai Nan) The End of Evangelion (movie) the Promised Neverland The Twelve Kingdoms Tiger & Bunny Tokimeki Tonight ToraDora Tsubasa Chronicle Umineko When They Cry Valkyrie Drive: Mermaid Vinland Saga Violet Evergarden Whispered Words (Sasameki Koto) With a Dog AND a Cat, Every Day is Fun Yona of the Dawn Yu Yu Hakusho Yugioh Duel Monster Yuki Yuna is a Hero Yuri Kuma Arashi Yuri On Ice!!! Zoids: Chaotic Century Zombie Land Saga

Non-Anime Animated

Adventure Time Amphibia Animainiacs (Original) Animaniacs (Reboot) Archie's Weird Mysteries As Told By Ginger Barbie Life in The Dreamhouse Batman the Animated Series Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot Big Mouth Bob's Burgers Bojack Horseman Bravest Warriors Captain N: the Game Master Carmen Sandiego (1994) Carmen Sandiego (2019) Castlevania (Netflix) Cats Don't Dance Coco Courage the Cowardly Dog Craig of the Creek Cyber Six Daria Darkwing Duck Dragon Booster Dragons: Riders of Berk DuckTales (2017) Exo-Squad Fern Gully Fillmore! Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends Futurama Gargoyles Glitch Techs Godzilla: The Animated Series Green Lantern the Animated Series Hedgehog in the Fog (Ёжик в тумане) Hey Arnold Hilda Infinity Train Iron Giant JEM Kim Possible Kipo and the Age of the Wonderbeasts Legend of Zelda animated series (1989) Legion of Super-Heroes Liberty Kids Magical Girl Friendship Squad Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart The Legend of Korra Moominvalley Motorcity My Little Pony (Classic, NOT FiM) My Little Pony: Equestria Girls: Rainbow Rocks Onyx Equinox Over the Garden Wall Over the Moon (2020 film) Owl House Primal Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure Redwall Rise of the TMNT Roco's Modern Life Rugrats RWBY Samurai Jack Seis Manos She-Ra (1985) She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (2018) Sonic Boom Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse Star vs. the Forces of Evil Strange Magic Super Mario Brothers Super Show Superman: The Animated Series Teen Titans The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo The Animals of Farthing Wood The Dragon Prince The Hollow The Legend of Tarzan (TV series) The Magic School Bus (1994) The Mysterious Cities of Gold The Pirate Fairy (Disney Fairies) The Powerpuff Girls (1998) The Real Ghostbusters Thundercats (1985) Thundercats (2011) Transformers: Prime Tuca and Bertie Twelve Forever Undone Venture Bros Wakko's Wish Wakfu Wander Over Yonder We Bare Bears (TV) Winx Club Wreck-It Ralph (2012) X-Men Evolution X-Men: The Animated Series Xiaolin Showdown

Live Action

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea 28 Days Later 3rd Rock from the Sun A Series of Unfortunate Events American Horror Story: Asylum Babysitter's Club (2020) Batman (the old Adam West version) Better Call Saul Black Mirror Blackbeard's Ghost (Peter Ustinov) Boston Legal Boy Meets World Boys Over Flowers Bromance (Taiwanese tv series) Brooklyn 99 Buffy the Vampire Slayer Cadfael Cagney and Lacey Charmed (2018) Chopped Cleopatra 2525 Cloak and Dagger Clue (1985) Community Crazy Ex-Girlfriend Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Dead Like Me Dead To Me Deadwood Death Note (Netflix) Derry Girls Dimension 20 - The Unsleeping City Doctor Who (New) Doom Patrol Dracula's Daughter (1936) Escape to the Chateau Farscape Fingersmith Galavant Godzilla (2014) Gokushufudo (2020 Japanese TV drama) Golden Girls Good Omens H20: Just Add Water (somewhere in seasons 1-2) Happy New Year Harley Quinn movie Hateblog a REALLY STRAIGHT soap opera. Haunting of Bly Manor His Dark Materials (HBO series) Holes Hot Fuzz House Inception Inside No. 9 Iron Chef America Joan of Arcadia Julie and the Phantoms Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle Kamen Rider Build Kamen Rider Ex-Aid Kamen Rider Fourze Killing Eve Knives Out Letterkenny Leverage Little Women (2019) Lucifer Matlock Majisuka Gakuen MASH Merlin Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol Money Talks (1997 film) Motherland: Fort Salem Murder She Wrote Mythbusters Nailed It! Never Have I Ever Once Upon a Time Orphan Black Pen 15 PGSM Pi (1998) Picnic at Hanging Rock (2018) Pride and Prejudice: A New Musical Puppy Bowl Pushing Daisies Rome (hateblog) Russian Doll Sabrina Sense8 Sera Myu: Un Nouveau Voyage Shameless Sierra Burgess Smallville So Weird Star Trek: TOS (or their films) Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager Stargate Atlantis Suckerpunch Supernatural (out of context speedrun the last three episodes) Sweetheart Switched at Birth Tall Girl Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles The Addams Family (1964) The Big Flower Fight The Booth at the End The Bride With White Hair The Crown The Fresh Prince of Bel Air The Good Place The Kissing Booth The L Word The Librarians The Magicians The Muppet Show The Pregnancy Pact The Room The Steve Harvey Show The Stranded The Untamed The Witcher The Wolfman (1941) Torchwood Twilight Zone (original) Twin Peaks Ultraman Nexus Umbrella Academy Van Helsing Warehouse 13 Warrior Nun What We Do In The Shadows (tv show) Will & Grace Wynonna Earp X-Men 2: X-Men United Xena: Warrior Princess

Miscellaneous

Alpha Flight #41-62 Anime music dance party, the logistics of which are to be determined! Ask Hot Pocket and/or Mina-pup AskSharknado: Giftening Edition Attempt to make French macaroons Commentary on old Goggles Critical Role Crowdsourced: A Black Mirror-style day where Jetty has to ask what her choices are of the audience for everything! I give you a menu, you decide what she has for dinner? What does she wear? Does she walk on the track or do the eliptical? Does she go to a movie with Doc or play a video game with Mike? Can be done alongside other stuff. Doodle Day Dramatic readings of fan fiction! Drunk History (or whatever your favorite subject would be) with Jet Wolf! Drunk Sailor Moon Exorcising Closet Ghost Fic Prompts Day Figuarts Day! (Not specifically freeing anyone, just various fun poses and such) Guess the plot of a show based on its opening Her Shim-Cheong (manhwa) House of X/Powers of X Hubby's Choice IDW Jem comics liveblog Intros Only (watch show openings, give commentary, guess what show is about, etc.) Jackbox Games Jet Wolf paints along with Bob Ross Jet and Doc go to Heaven/Hell, respectively: Jet gets to write reams of words about the awesomeness of Rei Hino and Doc has to read all of them and say ONLY NICE THINGS. Jet does Tiktok dances Jet Liveblogs Holligay: A Nature Documentary Jet Ranks Sailor Moon Image Songs Jet Reads Goosebumps Jet Reads Legion of Super-Heroes Jet redesigns the Wolf and Gay offices! Jet shows off her knitting Jet Wolf attempts to recreate scenes from Sailor Moon with Mina and Hot Pocket and/or whatever is in the house Jet Wolf reacts to Sailor Moon tiktoks (in blog form) Jet Wolf reads Love and Rockets. Jet Wolf reads the Jem comics by IDW Jet Wolf reviews her old top 100 Sailor Moon moments list Jet Wolf talks about Archie Comics Jet Wolf talks about each cel she owns and why they are so awesome. Jet Wolf writes Poetry Jet Wolf's Top 5's Jet, Hubby and/or family play board games Jetty Rants and Raves Jet Wolf tries to crack the Gravity Falls Codes Kiwi Blitz on Hiveworks Let's Play on Webtoon Liveblog: Favorite X-Men comic book arcs Livestream Pathfinder one-shot LOONA (Collection of music videos with an ongoing story/universe about GIRLS who are FRIENDS and SAVE THE UNIVERSE) Lore Olympus on Webtoon Mike regales us with "the story of your love" while you get increasingly embarrassed Mina and Hot Pocket day - liveblog like a nature documentary Mister Tsukino Does His Taxes and the Household Budget (Sailor Moon fan comic by Shadowjack) Nancy Drew: Ghost Dogs of Moon Lake Not So Shoujo Love Story on Webtoon Pitch Mishaps for Untitled Senshi Game (it is a lovely day in Juuban, and you are a Horrible Minako.) Pitching hubby's favorite media at (readers/holligay/jill/momigay) Playing with dolls (because how could 3 women not have any dolls between them) Re-Take By Studio Kimigabuchi (All Ages Version) Real or Fake Anime (people submit descriptions of anime you guess if it is an anime that actually exists or not) Reviewing succulents Scavenger hunt! Not entirely sure how it would work, maybe folks could send in asks for you to show things like your favorite Rei Hino object, or the thing that's been with you the longest, etc. sewing/knitting/baking tutorial Share or rant about a Roman history topic Sleepless Domain on Hiveworks Talking to Docholligay 2: Doc Harder (basically you talking to Doc's future womb evictee while still in there and telling them stuff like say the greatness of Rei Hino) The Monster Duchess and Contract Princess (manhwa) The Polar Bear Plunge--I take Jetty to our finest Lake Elmo in January, and she jumps in! Note: THIS IS NOT DANGEROUS, WORRYWARTS. I'll bring a life preserver, I've done it before, and I would do it with her if I weren't pregnant. The Senshi Helpline--The Senshi, taking your advice questions, here and now! The World of Moral Reversal Virtual knitting/crafting circle! Let us craft and chat with you! What-If #24 Gwen Stacy Lived Worm the web serial Write an explanation for a drawing we send you! Yuri Hell's Kitchen

[jedivoodoochile]

A look at many Bruce Waynes of the DC Multiverse 🦇📚 #Batman #DC

•Bruce Wayne of Prime Earth is the DC Universe’s mainstream Batman.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-Two is the Batman of the Pre-Crisis (on Infinite Earths) DC Multiverse within the ‘Golden Age’ era of comic books.

•Batman of Zur-En-Arrh, while its original incarnation refers to an alien hero from the distant planet Zur-En-Arrh from a Golden Age story, is Bruce Wayne’s back up personality after having a traumatic breakdown crafted by Simon Hurt and the Black Glove Organization seen in the 2008 DC New Earth arc ‘Batman: R.I.P’.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-19 is the DC Universe’s Victorian era Batman seen in Brian Augustyn’s ‘Batman: Gotham by Gaslight’ (1989) and ‘Batman: Master of the Future’ (1992).

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-10 is the DC Universe’s Batman, known as Leatherwing, who is part of the Gerechtigkeitliga, called the Justice League Axis of the Nazi regime. Seen in Grant Morrison’s Justice League arcs in 2007 and 2008, on Earth-10, Germany was victorious in World War II with Hitler’s Nazi party taking over the world.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-31 is the DC Universe’s Batman set within Frank Miller’s “Dark Knight Universe”, first appearing in Miller and Klaus Janson’s 1986 limited series ‘Batman: The Dark Knight Returns’, presenting a more grim take on an aging Bruce returning to the mantle to protect his dark metropolis.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-43 is the DC Universe’s Batman who was transformed into a bloodthirsty vampire after his battle protecting Gotham City from Dracula and his vampire followers in Doug Moench and Kelley Jones’ 1990s Elseworlds series ‘Batman & Dracula: Red Rain’, ‘Batman: Bloodstorm’, and ‘Batman: Crimson Mist’.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-22 is the DC Universe’s Batman introduced in Mark Waid and Alex Ross’ 1996 series ‘Kingdom Come’. Set within the future, an elderly Bruce Wayne mostly resides in his Batcave while his Batman robots are patrolling Gotham City.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-32 is the DC Universe’s Batman who was given the power to become this Earth’s Green Lantern, seen in Mike W. Barr and Jerry Bingham’s 1994 Elseworlds ‘Batman: In Darkest Knight’.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-37, part of the DC Multiverse’s New Earth, is the Batman seen in Howard Chaykin and Dan Brereton’s 1997 limited series “Thrillkiller”; Wayne is a Gotham detective who is going after the vigilantes of Robin (Dick Grayson) and Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) and takes up the Batman mantle after the tragic death of Robin.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth-40 is the DC Universe’s Batman who is a secret government agent during World War II, seen in Dan Jolley and Tony Harris’ 2000 2 issue series ‘JSA: The Library File’.

•Bruce Wayne of Earth -22 is the DC Dark Multiverse’s The Batman Who Laughs, leading the Dark Knights in Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo’s 2017 arc ‘Dark Nights: Metal’.