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thaw!tntduo enneagram analysis

so i've already been over thaw!quackity's enneatype, but now i'm going to add a few things here that i forgot to mention before. and after that, i'll analyze what thaw!soot's type is and then compare it to quackity's :]

thaw!quackity

ok, so read the original post if you want to learn more about what this all means, but just to review, thaw!quackity is a 8w7 with a sp/sx subtype. he's part of the aggressive stance and gut/anger triad, which means he struggles the most with anger and he expresses this outwards, against people.

but there are other triads that i didn't even mention in my last post. there's harmonics, which is how we handle conflict and not having our needs met, and there's object relations, or basically, how our parental wounds manifest and affect ourselves and others.

for harmonics, quackity is an 8, which is reactive. reactive types are the most emotional under stress, and since 8s are in the anger center of intelligence, their most emotional reactions have to do with anger. reactive types very deeply need to share their emotions with other people, so they're usually very emotionally honest (though 8s still refuse to let themselves get vulnerable with this honesty). when they face conflict, their emotions get brought up in it too, in contrast to the competency harmonic, where the arguments tend to stay more objective, or the positive harmonic, where conflicts tend to be avoided at all costs, but when they do happen, emotions get suppressed in favor of maintaining peace.

and in object relations, quackity falls under the 'rejection' category. this means that he rejects one aspect of himself, and he compensates this rejection by overemphasizing something else. in the case of an 8, he rejects his need for unconditional love and nurture, and compensates by acting much tougher and more independent, as though he didn't even need anyone to show him these things anyway (even though he very much did, and still does)

there's also tritypes. this is a stack of a leading/core enneatype (what i've been talking about up until now) along with two other enneatypes in the different centers. so quackity's core would be an 8, in the body triad, but he also has an enneatype for head and heart that, when all 3 of them merge, interact in unique ways to form a tritype for him.

for thaw!quackity, i'd say that he is a 835. this is sometimes called the 'solution master'.

one of the ways that the components of these tritypes interact is through the different triads of each enneatype.

for example, the 3 and the 5 are both part of the competency harmonic, so for both of them there's an emphasis put on being objective and doing things properly. 3s demonstrate this by repressing their soft feelings so they can be more productive, usually having a very good (and questionably healthy) work ethic, and 5s do this by seeking knowledge and trying hard to be detached from things. we already talked about 8s and the reactive harmonic, which is the opposite of keeping conflicts objective, so his core 8 kind of counteracts the 3 + 5 emphasis on objectivity a bit, though he still can separate his emotions from things when he needs to, and these non-leading types can definitely still be seen in quackity's conflict resolution. we definitely can see the 3 in how he (and now q) handles his internal conflicts, with his tendency to become a workaholic to avoid his feelings and stay productive, though he's started catching himself more on this little habit of his.

also, 3 and 8 are both in the aggressive stance, while 5 is withdrawing. this means that for 3 + 8, they are oriented against others when they need to get their needs met, they have a very strong sense of self, and are very action-based in getting what they need, while the 5 needs to move away from others to preserve themselves and their energy. 5s are much more detached from the world than the other types included here, and they meet their needs solely through themselves, and have difficulties with actually taking outside action for themselves.

in object relations, 5 and 8 are both in the rejection category, so they distract themselves from the pain of not getting a need met by amplifying another. in the 5's case, they likely didn't have a good sense of belonging growing up, so they try to take on everything by themselves, and work to protect themselves (usually through accumulating knowledge), but this makes them reject the vulnerability of the human condition, and makes them unhealthily independent. 5s settle for things that are known, rather than the unpredictability of love and vulnerability. meanwhile, 8s didn't get much unconditional love or nurture as a kid, so they amplify their toughness and act invulnerable, completely rejecting any need for these things, settling for being feared or respected, instead of loved. the 3, meanwhile, is in the attachment category, because they are very concerned with being likeable to others, to the detriment of their own well-being. 3s care the most about their image, and they are willing to be and do whatever it takes to get "unconditional" love from others, though they tend to just settle for being admired if they can't have that. they focus intently on being marketable to others as a person, and they get really ashamed when they do something to bring their "value" down, even when they're just being a normal human.

you can definitely see this with how quackity is with all of his masks around everyone, how he always shifts his body language to be less threatening when slime's around because he wants him to be comfortable around him, how in his first pov chapter, he literally is having a Breakdown over a nightmare, but he's more concerned with not digging his nails into his palm bc he knows the patrons will notice and question it, and he wants them to revere him and focus more on spending their money and less on questioning his authority. even him making a point to not take off his shoes anymore now that q lives with him is an example of this... i could honestly go on and on about quackity being just Such an 8 + 3 type, it's literally so him, man.

the 5 + 8 combo makes the 3 much more power-seeking, the 3 + 5 makes the 8 more competent, and the 3 + 8 makes the 5 much more aggressive, so these 5s are more likely to actually get things done.

all 3 of these types are the ones that are arguably the Worst with emotions; 3s, even while being in the heart triad, detach themselves from their emotions to be more efficient and impressive, 5s put a much higher emphasis on logic than feelings, because feelings are too messy and unknown for them to want to deal with, and 8s think that their emotions make them weak so they tend to only let themselves feel anger. when they're all paired together, you get one very emotionally illiterate motherfucker (/affectionate), particularly when none of them are integrated, or even aware of these problems to begin with.

they're a very blunt type, and are extremely good strategists, but they also have some deep struggles with being truly vulnerable with others.

thaw!soot

ok, so we've gone over quackity's type and tritype, so now let's find soot's.

i implied last time that soot is an 8. but! i did some thinking, and actually, 4 is WAY more fitting for thaw!soot's core type (cc!wilbur saying a few years ago that eight, from sleeping at last's enneagram-themed album, being a fitting song for c!wilbur is still so true, but i really do think that 4 is a better type in thaw!wilbur's case. 8 is still very much in his tritype, but we'll get to that later...)

4, the individualist/romantic type- this type puts a massive emphasis on their self-image. they feel fundamentally different from everyone else, in both good and bad ways, and they may get overly attached to these differences of theirs, either by thinking that they don't deserve good things because they believe there's something inherently wrong or broken with them, or else by viewing other people as shallow when compared to them. 4s want to create and have beautiful things around them, and to find ways to express their intense emotions to others. they're very often very articulate and poetic people.

withdrawn stance- this type has a tendency to withdraw in order to protect their feelings and sense of value. being a withdrawing type, 4s have a tendency to focus on what happened in the past, and hold tightly onto the things that hurt them, constantly ruminating on how they could have done something differently. they often don't need other people to help them make decisions like the dependent stance does, instead making decisions in the privacy of their own hearts.

heart triad- also known as the shame or image triad, this triad is most concerned with who they're supposed to be to themselves and others. they feel intense shame when they don't measure up to that idealized image, and are very aware of their own emotions, sometimes to a painful extent. being in this triad causes 4s to feel a heavy amount of shame about how they are as a person, and they cope with this by putting more focus on their individuality and/or by living in a fantasy world where they don't have to deal with the bad parts of life, or themselves. 4s can feel extremely empty, incapable and ashamed because of this center.

4w3- these types are both in the heart triad, so they are very people-focused, and struggle with intense shame. the 3 wing makes these types of 4s much more ambitious and even more image-conscious than other 4s are. the aggressive stance of the 3 causes the healthy 4s to be more outwardly productive (though an unhealthy 4w3 can become stagnant, since unhealthy 4s often fall into major depressive episodes, and the 3 disintegrates to a 9, which is a Very unmotivated type when unhealthy).

sx/sp instinctual variant- sexual types are the types that crave stimulation and strong chemistry with other people. they need energy and deep connection in their relationships. these types often come off as more aggressive or emotionally intense, and sx 4s have no qualms being vocal about their needs, and may express their feelings of rejection, anger and frustration to mask how sad they really feel. meanwhile, self-preservation types adjust the environment around them so that they can feel more comfortable. these types need more security in their relationship, but there's less of an emphasis on it for wilbur here, since sx is the dominant one for him.

(dis)integration- like every type when under stress, 4s first take on the unhealthy aspects of their own enneatype, in this case they can become very rigid, moody, depressed, controlling, overly prideful and have more pity parties. and if their stress is particularly intense, or if it lasts for a while, they may eventually go to their disintegration point, which is 2 (kind of interesting how 2 is the integration point for an 8 and the disintegration point for a 4... ;]), so they begin to take on the unhealthy aspects of this enneatype too, becoming more clingy, manipulative, controlling, overly sensitive, codependent and overreaching, they also act out more, push and pull with people, and feel more like a martyr. integration, on the other hand, causes 4s to act more like a healthy 1, becoming more emotionally stable, objective, and principled than 4s usually are. they become much more grounded when they integrate.

tritype- 468, the 'the truth teller'

the thing that stands out the most for this tritype is that every single type that makes it up is part of the reactive harmonic, and they are in Entirely different triads everywhere else. so the big common thread between them is the fact that they are extremely emotionally expressive on all fronts. this makes them respond Immediately to anything that they perceive as a threat, regardless of whether it actually is or not. they are very skilled when faced with life-or-death situations. their arguments are always very emotionally charged, and they probably have the best instincts out of any other tritype, being very sensitive to Any potential threats out there. there is a constant sense of urgency that leads their actions, and they have very fast reaction times, which is sometimes useful, but other times, causes them to be seen as "too much" for it, particularly when the situation doesn't seem like a life-or-death one. 468s are great at finding flaws in things, and are also not ones to hesitate in voicing their concerns. (think: atol!soot Immediately picking up on a loophole in quackity's vow that could damn him)

when these types are stressed, they become even more reactive than usual, and may become more anti-social and defensive if people don't actually listen to the concerns they present. though 468s have a tendency to alienate people when they bring their concerns to light, which causes others to not want to listen to them, or even to be offended by it. these types have a very strong tendency to see things as a matter of black and white, causing them to come off as even more intense, and to see their fears as much bigger than they actually are. they have immense difficulty with self-soothing, because the dependent stance of the 6 causes them to need others to validate their fears.

these types deeply struggle with letting go of things, whether it's their deep emotions and feelings of betrayal, letting go of their total control of the situation and handing it off to somebody else, letting go of the need to convince others that they're right, or letting go of the things that they believe to be true. whatever it is, things tend to build up easily for these types, with the intense emotions from each type easily overwhelming them and putting them into fight or flight mode. it's only by letting go of their worries that they will start to actually find some peace. "if i can't have l'manberg, no one can" is a very good demonstration of this type's inability to let go of things, to the point where it ends up hurting both them and others. and atol!soot shows some good growth in this department, when he actually trusts that tubbo will be able to handle l'manberg, and so he steps down, but Doesn't head to the button room to destroy it all like he does in most of the other versions of the story, he lets it happen, and l'manberg and its people are way better off as a result of that. there's a reason why new l'manberg had so many more financial difficulties in thaw vs atol, and it has to do with wilbur actually finding peace and letting go.

since wilbur's type is led by a 4, this makes him much more emotional. expressive and argumentative than this tritype when it has different leading cores. this variation of the tritype is very often mistaken for an 8 core (and that's what happened to me with him before, go figure), since these types have massive fears of being misled and being powerless, and these fears only intensify with the core 4's extreme passion for everything. it also makes them very defensive and fiercely loyal to those they are attached to, and as a result, causes them to come off very 8-like, moreso than even this tritype with an 8 leading, since the non-leading types actually soften the 8's harsher characteristics.

and now have some object relations analysis

4- frustration. 4s developed a strategy of believing that anything outside of themselves is shallow, due to the frustration they developed for not getting protected or nurtured causing them to focus on themselves.

6- attachment. 6s don't like blindly following rules or guidance, and costantly feel the need to double-check things that seem certain to others, even their own brains can't be trusted sometimes. they usually turn to their support systems to listen to their worries, and for a sense of confidence in their concerns, though it also depends on the Kind of 6 for how much they take the opinions into account. 6s are the most motivated by fear, and are very prone to scrutinizing everything. they always need to have a backup plan, and constantly run through worst-case scenarios of everything in their heads.

8- rejection. i've already talked about this before. 8s didn't get protected when they were young, so now they act tougher, like they don't need to be protected anymore.

comparison

so, what does thaw!tntduo have in common with each other? of course they both share the 8 in their tritype, but it's a core type for quackity only. 4s and 8s do have a lot in common, though. they're both reactive so they express their emotions in very intense ways compared to the other types, and, as i mentioned a bit ago, they both share a point at 2, though 8s go there and take its healthier traits when they're relaxed, which is the exact opposite of what 4s do.

they also both have the same 2 instinctual variants, but sp is dominant for quackity, while sx is dominant for wilbur.

also, quackity is an 835, while soot is a 468. notice how their heart types, 3 and 4, and their head types, 5 and 6, only have a difference of 1? yeah, they're in each other's wings. this is a whole other thing that i'm not really going to get too much into rn, but i'd argue that the wings (because there Are actually wings and instincts for each part of the tritype) for quackity's other types are 5w6 and 3w4, and vice versa for soot.

quackity has a withdrawing head type, so when he's scared, he gets more inward about it, getting lost in his head, trying to logic his fear out without bringing others into it. his thought processes have a bigger emphasis on building off of the past. meanwhile, when wilbur's scared, he's more likely to share the fear with others, and he's more geared to what's going on in the present. wilbur also has a withdrawing heart type, so he can get stuck in the past (but moreso about his regrets rather than fear) and lost in his emotions quite often. quackity's heart type, on the other hand, is aggressive, so he's much more worried about outward identity rather than inward, and his motivation is much more future-focused. them having each others' wings does cause them to have some of each others' traits, though they still tend default to their actual type.

they also both have aggressive and withdrawn stances in their tritypes, but quackity has two aggressive stances, and they're both higher than his withdrawn stance, while soot has one of each stance, with withdrawn and dependent being higher than his aggressive type. i could Totally compare these stance combinations to their matriarchal archetypes rn but dont worry, i'll spare you guys from that, i'm pretty sure y'all get the idea by now ;p

both of their core types integrate to a dependent type, but soot's is in the competent harmonic, while quackity's is in the positive one. this causes soot to become more objective and balanced than he was before, while quackity gets more reassurance that people are good and that it's going to be okay (this also can apply to soot too, since he has an 8 in his tritype, but i think he's already Kind of there, since he has 'tommy' and 'things working okay' overlapping pretty dang closely in his brain, he just needs to be able to apply it in a more relaxed, further reaching way, like how he's started to do in atol)

but what about the relationship dynamics between type 4s and type 8s? well, they're the most emotional types in their centers, so they are both very passionate and intense, and chase excitement and feeling alive in relationships. both these types have a ton of intensity, which can work out well for them to have someone who can match their passion. but they also both don't want to be controlled by others in any way, and 4s have a tendency to dominate emotionally, which 8s may perceive as a threat, and it works the other way around too, with 8s striving to dominate socially, and 4s disliking that. confrontation has the potential to sprout easily between the two of them, with arguments quickly becoming a battle on who has the most control. often, these arguments of theirs will tend to spiral out of control and replace any real connection, since anger is also an intense emotion, just like love. things will work out a lot better between them if they learn to control their impulses and regulate their emotions more, so that they won't end up feeding this vicious cycle and burning themselves when they fan the other's flames too much so they can bask in the warmth for a bit.

i could go on, but yeah, basically, tntduo are both led a lot by their emotions, but quackity is led by his anger, while soot is led more by his shame and negative self-image. both of them are still very image-conscious, even if quackity's core isn't in the image triad like how soot's is, and both can still be very aggressive, though for quackity it's because his core's in the aggressive stance, while for soot, it's moreso because of the things that add onto his core type, like his wing, instinctual variant, and tritype.

ok that's all, hopefully this made at least somewhat sense. but thanks so much for reading !! ^^

[pinacoladamatata]

I realize now I've never really had anyone. not really. nothing that compares to you.

[nyamcattt]

talon mythic mercy came into my house and stole my fridge. she kidnapped my cat, held me at gun point, and told me to draw this

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Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girl found dead in a hidden room.

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Silly fremblem doodles

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FINAL FANTASY VII: EVER CRISIS

[egophiliac]

it's been an absolute shitball of a week, so here's something massively self-indulgent to make myself feel better.

[gfguren]

shoto, very suggestive, mention of cunninglingus, 500ish words

Thinking about Shoto, your sweet, naive boyfriend, who just doesn't get it most of the time, and how he comes to you one day, asks in the sweetest tone, in the most unbothered way imaginable, if he can eat you out.

And by god does it take every bit of your patience not to call up every last friend of his until you find exactly which one of them put that phrase in his vocabulary.

Instead, you press the pages of the book you were reading closed, turn to him calmly though you're feeling anything but, fold your hands in your lap as if you're heart isn't running a marathon in your chest.

You'd been intimate before, but never like that.

Wandering hands, and heated kisses, and seeing each other in your most raw, and intimate state is one thing - Shoto tasting you is another. Not that you didn't want it, not that he didn't want it either. You just didn't want to go too far, too quick, didn't want to push him out of his comfort zone, didn't want to mess up something so good.

It's why you don't take him seriously when he asks something so out-of-pocket, suggestive in ways you've never known him to be. Why you're absolutely, surely, positive, he isn't asking permission to be in between your thighs, why you're sure he must've heard something wrong, got the meaning twisted somewhere along the way. It's the very same reason you straighten your shoulders to hide the way your knees press together when he adds a little "please" to the end.

"Shoto," you say with as much indifference as you can muster. "That doesn't mean what you think it does, I'm sure you probably think it means to go out to eat, or that-"

He shakes his head, lays a hand just above your knee, squeezes gently until whatever excuse you were blubbering dies on your tongue.

"That's not what it means," he says in the exact tone you use when explaining something obvious to him. "Do you want me to explain it to you?"

You hate how innocently he tilts his head, red hair falling softly over one eye, hate how the butterflies burst, warmth spreading over your cheeks and down between your thighs, because you know he doesn't mean it like that.

"No, Shoto, I-" you sigh, carefully thumb the cover of your book. "It's just, I don't think you know what it means."

You think you hear something like amusement rumble in his chest; it's rare, Shoto's laughter. You've heard it on occasion, fell for the soft reverberation and crescent-moon crinkle to his eyes. But this, this is different.

"I know what it means," he says, matter-of-factly, small, crooked smile tugging the corner of his lips.

He drops to his knees, and you promptly forget how to breathe. His dual gaze finds you from beneath dark lashes; one bright and blue, and eager, the other grey like smoke, clouded with something imploring - it fills your lungs until you can feel just how much he wants you with every bated breath.

His hands are warm when he kneads the fat of your hips between slender, calloused fingers. "So can I?"

Maybe Shoto gets it more often than you give him credit for.

[microwaveango]

hey. it's 3am. sigma in the microwave, ok?

[soulsilvers]

roller disco! 🕺

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thaw!quackity enneagram analysis

i am once again on my personality categorizing bullshit, this time with enneagrams.

but since this is a new topic on my account, i should probably explain just what exactly enneagrams are, especially since i didn't even understand them all that well until recently.

there are 9 different enneatypes (ennea means nine in greek). while you keep the same enneatype your entire life, it can still change as you change, in ways that i'll explain later. the enneagram is used to understand one's personality type, and shows you the strengths and weaknesses that come with it, as well as ways you can improve yourself. the enneagram is comprised of 3 different triads: the head triad, the heart triad, and the body triad, and it also has different stances: the withdrawing, the dependent and the aggressive. i'll go into more detail about most of these later in the post, but the most important thing to note is that these stances combine with the triads and that's what makes your enneatype.

so. what enneatype does thaw!quackity fall under? in my opinion, absolutely no other type fits him better than an eight does. so, 'what does being an eight entail?' you may wonder. well, let me tell you:

eights are of the body triad, along with the aggressive stance. i'll explain these in more depth in a bit, but first, i'm going to talk about some of the characteristics that we see in eights.

the main motivation of an eight is to protect themselves from being betrayed, and also to keep themselves out of the control of other people. they're always very on guard, and are very, very defensive of both themselves and the ones they care for. eights have very strong emotions that tend to scare others away, so they are super protective of the ones who aren't deterred by their intensity. though eights do still tend to deeply internalize the idea that they are too much because of how often their emotions scare people away... while eights are more worried about other people controlling them, very often this can also translate to them needing to constantly be in control, so as to not risk someone else taking it away from them. they can be very distrustful of others, thinking that most people would hurt them if given the chance. because of all of this, eights tend to be very aware of how their emotions will display to others. they feel that showing their true emotions will lead to them getting hurt, either by them scaring people off or by others taking advantage of those emotions.

and we can see all of this so so so often with thaw!quackity. from how differently he acts around slime q and tommy compared to other people, to the comfort that being in complete control gives him, to how unforgiving he can get with those who cross him, quackity is definitely a shining example of an eight.

an eight is part of the aggressive stance. the types with aggressive stances are oriented outwards, against other people. this makes eights feel the need to be hyper-independent, can cause them to come off stronger than they actually intend to be, and can also cause them to be (inadvertently) dismissive of their own and others' emotions, since feelings don't show up on their radars a lot of the time. aggressive stances are focused on the future, and know exactly what they want, and they're so set on how to get it that they often forget to account for how their actions will affect other people emotionally. they have a habit of being very aggressive when asserting their wants and needs to others. this is very applicable to thaw!quackity. think: quackity's fight with q on the roof "i want you to not be pathetic, to not act like a whimpering, little bitch every time someone looks at you the wrong way," here, quackity directly expresses his needs to q, showing efficient communication (which is another trait that eights possess), but also demonstrating how harsh a lot of eights can be when sharing their wants with others.

also, eight is a part of the body triad, sometimes called the anger triad (which is particularly relevent with quackity) or the instinctive center. this means that eights have very strong intuition, the first thing that they notice when they walk into a room is what their gut tells them to notice. and quackity definitely has a very accurate gut instinct that he's learned to listen to. body triads have a strong need to make things right, and their big motivation is, as their alternate name suggests, anger. each type in the anger triad (8, 9 and 1) all have core issues with anger in some way, but eights are the ones who allow themselves to actualy act out on that anger, while the other types either feel ashamed of it, or else don't acknowledge it until it creeps up on them.

the anger triad paired with the aggresive stance causes eights to be very explosive given the proper circumstances. eights not only have a lot of anger inside themselves from their triad, but also due to their stance their response to this anger is often to direct it towards other people. eights, along with ones, are among the types to feel things the deepest, and have the most trouble letting things go. because of this, eights are very prone to holding grudges for a long time. they are not the types to just forgive and forget. but in confront to ones, if you've actually upset an eight, you will definitely know about it soon enough. ones get their sense of self from others, so they may still have some reservations when confronting people about things, but eights know very well who they are and don't depend as much on others' opinions, so they aren't very likely to hold back on you unless you're one of the few who's on their 'close people' list, or if they're a more integrated eight.

that brings us to what integration and disintegration are. enneatypes all actually lay on a spectrum of unhealthy/stressed to healthy/relaxed that changes as the person changes. if an eight gets healthier, that means that they integrate to a two, and if they get unhealthier or just more stressed, they disintegrate to a five. if you look at the visualization of an enneagram (pictured below this paragraph), it's depicted as a circle with numbers around it, and lines connect certain numbers together. the two lines that are connected to eight lead to five and two, which is why those numbers in particular are the ones that eight (dis)integrates to.

(also this is just a random thing i've noticed, but all the enneatypes that are connected to even numbers in any way will always relax/integrate first if you go clockwise from them, and they'll always stress/disintegrate first if you go counterclockwise. the only enneatypes that will relax/integrate counterclockwise first are 1, 7, and 5 since they're also the only connected ones that are all odd. idk if that makes any sense but yeah, that's how i remember it when the enneagram chart doesn't show the difference between integration and disintegration)

so what does the disintegration to a five entail for an eight? fives are part of the head/fear triad, so eights who disintegrate to fives become even more fearful and cautious of things. disintegrated eights are often more paranoid, micromanaging, tempermental, secretive and isolating than the balanced eight is, which does sound like how thaw!quackity is currently, with how he didn't trust anyone with too much stuff, and he only trusts q with that now because it's easier to trust another version of himself than it is to trust somebody else, and he knows that q can defend himself should he get in trouble for knowing las nevadas' secrets. quackity is also very temperamental about things, as we've seen plainly in his reaction to anybody who has ever wronged him or his cared ones, and we all know how micromanaging he is of literally Everything in las nevadas.

i also wanted to point out that in chapter 55, the very first line talks about how furious and scared quackity is. because those are the two big triads that are causing him to make his decisions right now. anger is constantly in the picture for him, because he's always so motivated by spite, and now that he's also more stressed due to all the things that are currently cropping up in his life. this anger gets combined with fear, so he disintegrates further into the head triad, and becomes even more anxious than he already is. but! he's also starting to feel more guilty for being so harsh on his past-self. because he's beginning to realize just how negatively his anger could affect q in the state he is in now, and how unhelpful that self-hatred is. though the fear triad definitely still has a stronger grip on him at the moment, we can see him start getting a bit more attuned to the heart triad too, even if it's a little slow going right now.

so what does this mean for the future of thaw!quackity? well, if he is to follow a similar path to what atol!soot went down, he'll get to heal in the end, and he'll start to relax more and become integrated with the two. this means that he'll still be an eight, but he'll be a little more trusting, he'll let down his guard a bit more, and will be better at giving others the benefit of the doubt than both the balanced and disintegrated eights are. eights who integrate to twos, part of the heart/shame triad, become more attuned to their own and others' emotions, and are more aware of how their actions will impact others.

enneatypes all don't just fit into tight little boxes. we've seen it with (dis)integration, but there's also wings that need to be taken into account. wings are basically how close somebody is to either of their enneatype's two adjacent numbers. the wings of each enneatype always share one stance/triad with their enneatype. the wings for type eight are 8w7 and 8w9. let's go over what each of these mean to see which one suits quackity more.

the 8w7 is the more aggressive wing. this is because 8 and 7 are both part of the aggressive stance. however, 7 is part of the head triad instead of the body one, so 7s are often focused more on their fear. while 8w7s are less angry, they're still more intense about things, and are much more prone to lashing out whenever they feel out of control. 8w7s are very charismatic and pragmatic, though they have a lot more trouble emotionally connecting with people. they use their intensity to enjoy life as best they can, and they have a lot of trouble sitting still. (and also, some very common jobs for 8w7s are lawyers and politicans, which is very fitting for both q and quackity.)

8w9 is full of much more anger, with them both being in the anger triad, but 9s are in the withdrawing stance, so they're more passive about that anger, with it often going internalized or ignored until a bigger problem arises. because of this, 8w9's have the capacity to be very angry, but only when provoked. 8w9s are very protective, but in a warmer, gentler way than their other eight counterparts are. some people say that the wing to the right of the enneatype is generally more introverted than the one on the left, and this is definitely true here. they're not *as* intense as 8w7s, but the intensity they do have they use to keep their cared ones, and the people who can't stand up for themselves, safe.

while we can see some aspects of both of these wings in him, if i had to choose a single wing, i'd say quackity's more of a 8w7 because he doesn't really let himself come off as any kind of gentle around most people, he's much more extroverted and charismatic, and the descriptions all sound pretty similar to him just in general. while both the 7 and 9 are extremely avoidant of pain, 7s avoid it by constantly searching for new things to keep them excited, while 9s avoid it by being more passive and avoiding/mediating conflict.

but there's another level to enneagrams too. subtypes. these are basically the different instincts of one's enneatype. there are three distinct subtypes: a social (so) subtype, a sexual (sx) subtype, or a self-preservation (sp) subtype. and everyone has a dominant subtype and a secondary subtype, and then another subtype that they don't really relate to that much. i'd say that quackity embodies the self-preservation and sexual subtypes pretty well.

the sp variant of eights are often geared towards satisfaction. these are the people who make sure that they always have what they need and are protected from any potential dangers. they build metaphorical walls around their vulnerabilities and make sure that they're always impenetrable. quackity does this both emotionally as well litterally, with how much he oversees what goes in and out of las nevadas.

meanwhile, sx variants of eights are more worried about possession. they want to relate one-on-one with people, to have someone that they can let their guard down with, and feel integral to their life. while this one isn't as evident with quackity, we can still see it with how he is with his cared ones, and he definitely tends to have smaller, but closer connections, rather than a big, but loose ones like so subtypes tend to have, so this seems like a pretty good secondary type for him.

in conclusion, thaw!quackity is a 8w7 (sp/sx) type, who currently leans more towards disintegrated.

(btw, cc!wilbur actually confirmedish a while ago that c!wilbur is also an eight, and i can totally see it with thaw!wilbur too... you could totally go through this post and see a Ton of traits that thaw!wilbur shares with quackity. honestly, that warrants an analysis post of its own and and yes, thaw!wilbur is absolutely a dominant sx, but i just think it's really interesting how quackity and wilbur are both opposing matriarch archetypes, and how they're both eights as well, etc. etc.. definitely something worth diving deeper into in a future post... just thought i'd leave y'all with that thought lol)

thanks so much for reading, i hope you enjoyed! ^_^

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