#ilyagender

[our-outherly-experience]

I know a lot of people have question about the different between the different outherine genders/qualities, so I'm making this post to explain them as much as I can:

Aporinity

[PT: Aporinity]

A quality for genders defined as being separate from male, female, and anything in between, while still being a strong and specific gendered feeling.

It can be both a specific quality or an umbrella term for qualities that are comgender and abinary.

It is not:

Feminine, masculine, epicene, femmuline or androgynous

A lack of gender

Beyond the concept of gender

Aporagender can be:

Comgender neutral (and when it's purely neutral is not outherine)

Relative to neutrality and other non-outherine abinary qualities

relative or comparable to femininity, masculinity, etc

Born of the combination of a brand new quality and a neutrality or of one of those with one of the main qualities.

Some specifically aporine genders are:

aporagender

Aporaique

Aproxora

Maverinity

[PT: Maverinity]

A quality for genders, like maverique (from which is derived) characterised by:

Gender autonomy

A strong sense of gender

The lack of any kind of connection to pre-existent qualities

It's not:

Xenine

Beyond the concept of gender

The lack of gender

A combination of genders

Derived from pre-existent midbinary or abinary concepts

Some maverine genders are:

Maverique

Gendermaverick

Maveresque

Mavraen

Proxveri

Autonominity or gender autonomy

[PT: Autonominity or gender autonomy]

This quality refers to genders characterised by:

Independent.

Self-determination.

Being defined by oneself, without the imposition of outside structures and authorities.

The re-definition of pre-existent qualities, gender and roles through a personal, individual lens.

In this last point lies the difference between this quality and maverinity; while maverinity is only itherine, autonominity/gender autonomy can be umbine or preterine too.

This can also be used as an umbrella term for all the qualities charaterised by autonomy, including maverine genders.

Some autonomine genders are:

Autonomique

Egogenders (autonine)

Maverine genders

Alithix (As it's defined by personal authenticity)

Ilyaginity

[PT: ilyaginity]

It refers to genders, like ilyagender (from which is based) with:

A tangible presence of gender

Fully disconnected from pre-existent qualities/concepts

Some ilyagine genders are:

Ilyagender

Proxilya

Ilyaen

Autoninity

[PT: Autoninity]

It referse to qualities an genders characterised by being exclusive of an individual person (or system)-

These genders are collectively called egogenders and are characterised by:

Complete autonomy from pre-existent concepts

Individuality and personal autheticity

Relation to one's personhood or systemhood.

Self-determination

Perainity

[PT: perainity]

A quality for genders characterised by:

A complete disconnection to the fem/masc/neu trinary

The presence of gender

The lack of confusion or apathy regarding one's gender.

It's not:

Feminine, masculine, neutral or any combination between them.

Agender or quoigender.

Some peraine genders are:

Péra or Peragender

Peraique

Proxpera

Atraeninity

[Pt: Atraeninity]

This quality exist in relation to both masculinity and femininity, but rather than existing in between or as a combination of them, as it's the case of androgyny, epicenity, effemininity or femmulinity; it exists in opposition and confrontation to/with them, as if forming a triangle.

Here a quick graphic I made visually explaining the relation between femininity, masculinity, androgyny, epicenity and altraeninity:

Altraeninity is characterised by:

Being midbinary.

Being described by a sense of "pure androgyny

A feeling that your gender "matches" femininity and masculinity or male and female, while not being derived in any way from them

A sense of gender

There are also qualities, like Ambiguity/ambiguinity, pandrogyny, ainulinity, aineminity, etc that can be considered ouherine or not. I'll put them in a different post.

Part two

[themaveriqueagenda]

i refuse to believe that the maverique experience* - gender disconnected from manhood, womanhood, genderlessness and neutrality - is really as uncommon as it seems. there's no way there's so few of us.

i feel like it's more likely that people who have the same or a similar gendered experience as us just use different labels: maybe they're pera or aliagender or ilyagender, maybe they're aporagender or outherine, maybe they use slightly broader labels like aphorian or abinary, maybe they use labels that "technically don't apply". i know of at least one neutrois person who has said that technically maverique describes them better but they have used neutrous for so long because it's all there was when they came out and it feels more comfortable, and i personally identified as agender before finding the label maverique. with maveriques having so little visibility, i wouldn't be surprised if other people existed who either decide to use a label that's a bit more well-known or who simply don't know maverique exists, despite having a similar gendered experience.

but even adding all the people who use the above labels together (except for agender because it's a very common label), there's still barely any of us. i regularly search through aphorian, abinary, maverique, neutrous, ilyagender, aliagender, outherine, aporagender etc. tags on various social media and there's barely any of us.

but i'm pretty sure there are people with genders same or similar to ours who just use really broad terms, like genderqueer, nonbinary or trans.

i'm very sure that many people who use those very broad labels actually do have genders at least somewhat like ours, but don't like specific labels, don't like the words people have come up with or simply don't know they exist.

and these are all valid reasons to identify as anything other than maverique. but at the same time, it makes it really hard for maveriques (or apora-umbrella people in general) to find community, to find people like us in the sea of men, women, mascs and fems.

i KNOW there are more like us, but i can't connect. this is why maveriques and other aporagender people need visibility, so we can connect to each other and so that more people might find that one of these terms describes their gender.

*i'm aware there are some labels that are very similar or almost synonymous to maverique and that the same experience could be called a pera experience or an outherine experience or an ilyagender experience, but this is a maverique blog.

[samijami]

Reblog if you're nonbinary,

Or if you're no strangers to love-

[outherworldlycoining]

Mavilya

Mavilya - Maverique + Ilyagender

Definition:

A gender that's the combination of maverique (or any maverine gender) and ilyagender (or any ilyagine gender). Being simultaneously, in between or a mix of maverique and ilyagender.

"Having an autonomous and tangible gender experience characterized and accompanied by an inner conviction of a sense of self that's not male, masculine, famale, feminine, null, neutral, neuter, neutrine or genderless in any shape or form, nor a combination, intersection or derivation of/between any of those"

It's similar to peraverique, but resulting from the combination of maverique with Ilyagender, rather than Péra(gender).

Flags:

3 stripes Maverique-style mavilya flag:

[ID: A flag with three horizontal stripes, each of a different colour. From top to bottom, the colours are: brown, orange, and yellow. /End ID]

Colour meaning:

Brown - Colour present on the ilyagender flag, but not on the maverique flag: ilyagenderness/ilyaginity.

Orange - Colour present on both the ilyagender and maverique flags: Represents the intersection between maverique(hood)/maverinity and ilyagenderness/ilyaginity.

Yellow - Colour present on the maverique flag, but not on the Ilyagender flag: Represents maveriquehood/maverinity.

5 stripes, peraverique-inspired mavilya flag:

[ID: A flag with five horizontal stripes. The top and bottom stripes are orange. The middle stripes are each of a different colour. From middle-top to middle-bottom, they are: Yellow, white, and brown. /End ID]

Colour meaning:

Orange: Mavilya. The combination/Intersection of Maverique and Ilyagender

Yellow: Maverinity

White: Genderness. The strong sense of gender that characterises mavilya, maverique and ilyagender.

Brown: Ilyaginity

5 stripe mavera/mavir/mavrois-style mavilya flag

[ID: A flag with five horizontal stripes, all in shades of brown and orange. From top to bottom, these are: orangy brown, light tan, orange, dark brown, reddish orange. /End ID]

There are not specific meanings for each colours, orange and brown (which is itself a shade of orange) and colours commonly associeted with brand new qualities, unrelated to pre-existent ones. Both ilyaginity and maverinity are such brand new, unrelated qualities, making mavilyaness a brand new, unrelated gender experience.

Some derived terms:

Mavilyaginity: The quality related to mavilya. A combination of maverinity and ilyaginity.

Mavilyagine: Someone or something characterised by mavilyaginity.

Mavrilyaen: The mavilya equivalent to man/woman. A combination of Mavraen and Ilyaen.

MAVILIN: Mavilyagine in nature

MAVILIA: The viagender equivalent to mavilin.

[the-delta-quadrant]

happy bi week to bi people whose genders have nothing at all to do with the binary and end up getting shit from bi people who exclude us from being bi as well as people who insist that bi is inherently binary and we're erasing our own communities.

[serkotika]

 ✷﹐🧬 ─﹕ʬ . Poly-abinary

˚₊· ͟͟͞͞➳❥ A gender under the polygender umbrella - A person who identifies with multiple abinary genders. Similiar but not the same as pan-abinary

Coined by me

[our-abinary-experience]

let's talk about anti-xenogender bigotry, as it often reveals a lot of how people see gender, and especially nonbinary gender.

this post in particular is inspired by a reddit post i found by accident when i just wanted to download the xenogender flag (lol).

the post was shared by a trans woman who claimed that xenogenders aren't genders and thus not valid. she made sure though to say that she totally supports nonbinary people.

her first point on why xenogenders don't exist was that how valid a gender is is determined by its societal support, and since xenogenders are only supported in "fringe extremist "trans" spaces", they aren't real.

firstly, interesting that any trans person who supports xenogender people gets their trans card revoked. we're no longer trans, we're "trans".

secondly, hinging the validity of a gender on the amount of social support it has directly contradicts with her supposed support of nonbinary people. maybe she happens to live in the most nonbinary-friendly place ever, but overall, the very concept of nonbinary gender does not have a lot of societal support. so, according to her logic, nonbinary people are inherently less valid than binary people. some might even say that only fringe extremist "trans" spaces support nonbinary people. and, while trans itself is not a gender, if we add gender modality to the mix, then binary trans people don't exactly have massive societal support either. as a trans woman, does she consider her womanhood less valid than cis women's? basing the validity of a gender on societal support doesn't make any sense because there actually isn't a single monolithic society, and the societies that have historically recognised and celebrated more than two genders have been forcibly binarised by white european colonisers. did nonbinary gender become less valid over time and now it's slowly gaining validity as support for us is slowly growing? none of her logic in this makes sense. her rhetoric is inherently exorsexist and binarist, not just against xenogenders but basically against any nonbinary gender which she claims to support, and against cultural genders too.

the "societal support" argument completely falls apart because it means that every marginalised identity of any kind is inherently less valid and less real. she's revealing her bigotry here: it's not really about societal support, it's about which genders she arbitrarily decides are real and valid.

her second argument why xenogenders are not real was that any gender that exists outside of a triangle of male, female and genderless doesn't exist. you can only slide between those, like being hallway between male and genderless or in the middle of all three, but not outside. this is the classic gender trinary of male/female/agender and it's how i used to see gender as a baby enby.

firstly, gender isn't bound to whatever spectrum you personally decide is acceptable. there are many ways to be outside of that triangle besides xenogenderness. this logic basically says that the only valid way to be abinary is to be agender. not even abinary men or women exist in that logic, since the concept of abinary doesn't exist besides agenderness.

so, how can someone say she supports nonbinary people while saying a whole lot of us aren't real, even the ones who aren't xenogender, simply because she, as a binary person, thinks she has the right to decide what the gender spectrum looks like and whose gender is real and whose isn't?

all her points on why xenogenders aren't real also apply to multiple or all nonbinary genders. especially coming from a binary person, it reveals a huge ignorance to the nonbinary experience as well as a very narrow view of gender.

we're all in this together. clearly, exorsexists can't tell the difference between someone who is xenogender or someone who is, for example, ilyagender, or maybe even someone who happens to be within that gender triangle but within that have a gender that is not socially supported, like proxvir.

this is all the more reason for all of us nonbinary people to stick together and not draw lines in the sand about which nonbinary gender is valid and acceptable. if something harms one of us, they always end up harming all of us in some way. we're in this together.

[your-queer-dad]

hi, i think i need some advice and i’m not sure who else to go to,,, this is my first time asking anyone here so i’m a little nervous lol but yeah

anyway i’m ilyagender and i think i have some pretty nasty internalized phobias to work out, like i’ve done some mean things because of it (like outing friends) and i think it’s making me doubt my identity as Not Cis because i don’t have dysphoria.

i’m not sure what i’m saying lmao but do you have any advice on how to deal with that? i wanna be confident in knowing who i am and know how to handle situations where it could come into play

it seems so hard :(

thanks so much

- bug

Hey kiddo!

First of all, I completely understand where you're coming from. In a society not meant for us, we do internalise a lot of things and your past mistakes don't define who you are now. Working on internalised bigotry is a process and it takes a lot of time and conscious effort. It won't happen overnight, but small steps every day or stepping back and considering things is the best thing you can do. There isn't a perfect stage of being the best trans person you can be, that's not how it works- we're people after all. But making a conscious effort to acknowledge those biases and putting them to one side is a really good thing to do.

Secondly, not having dysphoria definitely doesn't mean you're cis, despite what others say. Only you can define your identity and how you feel. I personally feel less dysphoria then I used to. It doesn't make you less of a trans person, it's a feeling and not everyone has it.

I think you're doing so well already and I'm really proud of you. Feel free to reach out if you have any problems.

- dad x

[epiceneandroid]

it is i, francis null, here with a coining post

now, i'm not making a flag for this right away. i've only had four hours of sleep for one and for another thing, this is really just a personal term only i plan to use though if others resonate with this particular experience, that's great! i'm just using the word, rather, to describe this particular gender-not gender-beyond gender-xenogender i feel.

ancillary: a gender that is based off the ancillary species of corpse-soldier-ship-connectivity-ai from imperial radch. there is no singular experience of ancillary gender, as ancillaries are as individual as a person is, but here is how i experience being an ancillary:

-a peculiar combination of being genderless, having an identifiable gendered feeling that is strong, intense, and personal, a feeling of being so detached from/beyond/above the gender binary as a whole that gender is meaningless to you, and a heavily xenogender/xenic influenced component where these simultaneous, contradictory gendered-notgendered feelings are tied to ai, robots, plurality, and nonhumanity in general.

-this specific nonhumanity isn't a "want" to be human, but more of a "seeing what humans have and knowing that although you prefer the gifts of being an ancillary, you know you lack something to you that makes you blend in with humanity, so you reject humanity altogether".

-the genderless part of the label, in my experience, is felt as a lack of identification with gender or gender roles as society experiences it, to masculinity or femininity since society is a binary and you purposefully and accidentally elude its categorization.

-the identifiable gendered aspect to the gender can be a nameable gendered feeling, like neutrois, aporagender, maverique, ilyagender, aliagender, pera, stargender, etc., or it can be an unlabeled yet strongly gendered feeling that coincides and coexists with your genderlessness.

-the detachment from the gender binary can be anything: it can be a simultaneous refusal to identify with any gender despite the contradictory feelings of genderedness and genderlessness, it can be a refusal of labels except for "unlabeled" or "ancillary", it can be a lack of identification with the gender system in general like with quoigender or apogender, it can be like gendereaux where you don't identify with gender at all but identify with numerous nonbinary experiences (including ancillary!), and all of these can even be possible in a singular ancillary.

so yeah. here's my conception of my own gender that i personally think others would be fond of, but is mostly made for me. hope you enjoy

[soong-type-notinuse]

if you're abinary, aporagender, maverique, xenogender or similar, here's a discord for you! https://discord.gg/5SdVpYTU

[epochryphal]

For ilyagender, do you believe someone can identify as ilyagender AND have any type of alignment?

...yes?  yes.  i can see that.  i personally would wig myself out a little other than, yk, “non-binary aligned” or even more specifically exobinary aligned.  even though i tend to feel like i have more in common with femmes... but not with cis women.  but then also like, with butches and with queer mascs... but not with cis men.  haha.  so idk, Trans Aligned maybe, right, figuring that out

but yeah, i could see identifying as ilya, gender-ways, but still being in alignment with [gender], which could be like woman-aligned or man-aligned for some folks.  alignment is like a political declaration sort of right?  it’s complicated and i can totally imagine that arising

[themaveriqueagenda]

shoutout to maveriques who also identify as aporagender, aliagender or ilyagender. your labels are so cool 💛

[samijami]

Reblog to give an ilyagender a bear hug

[outherworldlycoining]

ILYAGINE

The gender quality of ilyagender/ilyaen and genders derived/proximal to it. Ilyagine is an outherine gender quality describing genders that aren't male, female, genderless, neutral nor similar, derived or related in any way to/from any of those.

[ID: The ilyagine flag has six horizontal stripes, each of a different colour. The colours, from top to bottom, are: brown, light tan, dark grey, beige, yellow-ish orange, pastel orange. All the stripes are the same size./END ID]

The gender nature is ILYIN; and its viagender counterpart is ILYIA.

[the-delta-quadrant]

i have yet to find a definition of xenogender that doesn't basically imply that all abinary genders are xenogender too. like, i'm xenogender, i know what a xenogender is

but what the fuck is a "human concept of gender"?

like, abinary genders aren't really recognised by humans, even midbinary genders are barely recognised.

i fail to understand what makes these not-recognised genders "more human" than a musicagender. i fail to see what makes maverique "a human concept of gender" but not stargender.

i fail to understand what makes xenogenders a "non-human concept of gender" when a lot of xenogender people are... human. i fail to see what makes xenogenders less human than ilyagender when both are used by humans.

as i said, i know what a xenogender is vs other abinary genders because i feel the difference, but what the fuck is that definition?

and then the description of non-xenogenders as anthrogenders is weird. i don't understand what makes my maveriquehood more "human" than my aliengender if a) both get me dehumanised and b) i'm not human so my maveriquehood isn't human to begin with. they're equally nonhuman, but not on the basis of the genders itself but on the basis of me being an android.

idk i just think xenogender is currently very poorly defined. it's not only hypothetical either, i've heard multiple people call maverique and other non-xenoic abinary genders xenogenders before and while it's not offensive it's just incorrect.

and while i haven't seen it be applied to midbinary genders, i don't see why they couldn't because in dominant western society, no human can be androgyne or demiboy or agender. to those in power, being non-binary makes us less human, our very genders supposedly go against human nature.

[serkotika]

✷﹐🎲 ─﹕ʬ . Pan-abinary

˚₊· ͟͟͞͞➳❥ A gender under the multigender umbrella - A person who identifies with all abinary genders. Similar but not the same as polyabinary

Coined by me