#mspec queer

[myceliumbutch]

You say you want a "radical counter culture gay movement" but you're too busy arguing about identities that make you mad!! You've missed the whole point!!

[batpoisonz]

My experience as a 2S gaybian:

Before all this, I was exclusive to "contradictory" labels all the way up until early 2023. I then labeled myself as an mspec lesbian, because as a 2S person, my gender and sexuality are impacted by my cultural experiences way beyond that of someone's binary thinking. Most white transphobes couldn't even comprehend my experiences with me being 2S.

When I was exclu; it was simply just my own ignorance. I was influenced by those around me who did not understand the labels themselves. I listened to their arguments and at the time it made sense. Until inclu people came by and explained the labels to me.

I was the only one in my friend group who sat down to have a discussion with these people. and their arguments made even more sense and disputed all the arguments my friends came up with!! It was an insane and confusing experience. When you want to be loyal to your friends but something they do is just so morally wrong, you wouldn't know what to do either!

This is where I start to understand, and when I started to become critical of both sides. I thought exclu people were "radical" as well, but being "radinclu" simply just wasn't "radical" to me just for including queer people in the QUEER community, ya know?

At the time even tho my stance was changing and developing, I still fought against mspec lesbians and gays; simply because I was scared of being an outcast, that I'd get harassed by exclu people, that people would be racist to me, etc etc. but I soon learned it was the complete opposite.

AS SOMEBODY WHO IS GAYBIAN, when I was exclu I experienced MASS AMOUNTS of racism; to the point I felt like I had to leave twitter (even after I made my account private). I had people questioning my validity as a native american simply because I was an ignorant homophobe.

Say it with me: IGNORANCE DOES NOT EXCUSE RACISM!!

I even had people calling me a chimp, a creature, I've been called a chimera, I got mass reported, I got called multiple racial slurs, of which not all I could even reclaim, I got called a hermaphrodite, way way more happened. my cc got filled with racism and homophobia too!! all because I was ignorant on the subject.

Not once did I call an inclu person (while I was exclu) any of these horrible things or harass them; I just blocked them and moved on with my day.

I will admit I was a bigot for sure but I would NEVER wish any of these things on anyone.

It doesn't stop there though. when I came out as gaybian, I lost almost ALL of my online friends. I also was closeted irl because I had people at my college getting VERY hostile whenever somebody mentioned you can be a bi lesbian.

Those same people were okay with the idea of being a biplatonic lesbian.

basically, my point here is that even as you evolve and grow as a person, become more accepting of not only others but also yourself; the queer community is extremely divided. Even IF everyone agreed that "contradictory" labels weren't an issue, it still wouldn't stop the heartless attacks we all get as queers on the daily. exclus said the SAME THING about neopronouns and xenogenders 7 years ago that they're saying about mspec lesbians and gays today. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

The US is climbing towards eradicating all of us as queers; starting with trans people, and they're slowly inching on towards homosexuality. People WITHIN the queer community are more concerned about how we label ourselves, when we all have our own unique oppression as queers, AND SHARED OPPRESSION AS WELL!!

I've legit heard people saying the hate crimes I've experienced as a gaybian don't actually exist and that I'm overreacting because my identity isn't real.

You know who gets the same thing told to THEM?

Most queers will hear that same quote; ESPECIALLY nonbinary people and trans people in general.

everyone who is queer, is queer. whether you "agree" with the labels or not. we are QUEER for a reason.

[desired-destruction]

i love mspec gays, lesbians, lesboys, turigirls, other mspecs and in general people with complex or otherwise "contradictory" identities.

use what labels you feel work best to help describe you, identity's hardly ever a simple thing, if no one else understands thats fine, just find what youre comfortable with and dont let anyone dictate it for you

regardless of what your gender and sexual/romantic orientation is everyone deserves to feel comfort in their identity.

[lex-n-weegie]

💙A little long but please please read!! I wanna get an actual answer to this question!!💙

Hey, mspec, achillean, mlm, and gay selfshippers/people in general!! I have a question for you guys, if you don't mind answering of course. I think lesbians/wlw/etc can weigh in as well if they wish, specifically this question relates to achillean type stuff. I've had a question I've been thinking about ever since I've identified as Non-binary Genderqueer, and I feel as if you fellas can give me the best possible answers.

Basically, few of my f/os are headcanoned to be gay(not just referring to the guy in hyperfixated on rn, there's others). With some, I prefer other headcanons, but with others I really do enjoy the thought of them being straight up just gay. The issue is that while my gender identity could let them date me, I feel as if the way I present myself outright defeats it anyways. I enjoy being masc or androgynous, but I mainly present myself as feminine, as do my s/is.

Getting to the point, as me and my s/is mainly look feminine, would I be indirectly crapping on you guys if I stuck with headcanoning an f/o as gay, or selfshipped with a gay character? I've been stuck on the question for a good while and google doesn't give me any good answers. I wanna respect my fellow LGBT+ peeps! Especially those that don't get much of any representation or get disrespected often!

[yumysodaposting]

Demibiromantic, Demipoly/poliromantic, Demiomniromantic, & Demipanromantic

Demibiromantic: only experience biromantic attraction (romantic attraction to two or more genders) after a strong emotional bond has formed.

Demipolyromantic / Demipoliromantic: only experiencing polyromantic / poliromantic attraction (romantic attraction to three or more, but not all genders) after a strong emotional bond has formed.

Demiomniromantic: only experiencing omniromantic attraction (romantic attraction to all genders, with gender playing a role in the attraction) after a strong emotional bond has formed.

Demipanromantic: only experiencing panromantic attraction (romantic attraction to all genders) after a strong emotional bond has formed.

For example, someone who is demipanromantic may only be attracted to women, until a strong emotional bond has been formed, wherein they may experience romantic attraction to an individual, regardless of the gender.

[arcticflowerz]

Neuro-Stellian/Neuro Mspec-Gay

Neuro-Stellian is a term for when your a Stellian due to neurodivergence. Any neurodivergent Stellian can use this term if they feel like it fits them.

Coined by: @arcticflowerz

Do not repost my flags/the things I coin with out credit.

For context, Stellian was coined by @kenochoric-moved and it means: An mspec gay. Gay in this instance refers to anybody who uses the label; this can include veldians, lesbians, cenelians, and anyone else who falls under it.

Here are the links to the Neuro-Lunian (Mspec Lesbian), Neuro-Solian (Mspec Turian/Gay/etc), Neuro-Marzarian (Mspec Enbian), Neuro-Mercurian (Mspec Varian), and Neuro-Plutarus (Mspec Fluidian) versions I made.

[the-omniverse-coning]

Multi Lesbian pride flag

Flag: Cosmos System

[ id: nine horizontal straight stripes with the following color orders: purple, white, dark orange, orange, white, pink rose, dark pink rose, cyan and pink]

[the-astropaws]

🔎 Platonic mwah to all fellow mspec people. No matter how many people try to gatekeep your queer experiences and journey just now there’s always going to be others that understand. Continue being yourself :) - Heizou

[jimistry]

can anybody explain to me why people are against mspecs? im very new to the discourse however everything i've seen about mspecs seems perfectly fine to me but i've seen people actively anti mspec and i'd like to know their pov

[bilesbianblog]

Mspec queer who feels like they got chased off the lesbian label and doesn't really know how to express that. Like yeah I'm a lesbian- never calling myself that again after everything (sorry if this is the wrong blod delete this if you want just wondering if it's a common sentiment)

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[batpoisonz]

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METALHEAD LESBOY

Lesboys who are metalheads

Lesboys who are punk and like similar music

Lesboys who are punk

Lesboys who are anarchists/anarcho-punks

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Image Description:

A 6 stripe flag going in this order of colors: 1.) dark purple 2.) berry pink 3.) gray-yellow 4.) cyan 5.) lavender purple 6.) off-black purple.

[silly-centipede]

Every once in a while you gotta talk to your man loving friends about some cute men you saw

[yumysodaposting]

Philorose (Philosexual + Philoromantic)

Philo-: an orientation which one does not care what gender(s) they are attracted to, are open to being with someone of any gender, etc. a philo- person may not be attracted to all genders or any genders, but would be fine with feeling attraction to any gender.

-rose: including both sexual and romantic attraction.

[arcticflowerz]

Achilligxrl

A term for when you are both agender/have no gender and also an Achilligirl in some form. You can be an Achilligirl and agender/have no gender at the same time or go between them. This could also be described as being an Achilligirl and a gxrl. Achilligxrl definitions are up to your own interpretations.

Coined by: @arcticflowerz

Do not repost my flags/the things I coin with out credit.

Please make sure to ask which definition an Achilligxrl uses, don’t just assume what their okay with you referring to them as.

Here are the links to the Sapphbxy and Vincigxrl versions I made, as well as the link to the alternative lesbxy flag I made

[the-omniverse-coning]

I found they also made the most common mspec flag, so I made two versions with the same colors!

[Image ID 1: a 9 striped flag. Colors, in descending order, are: green; sky blue; blue; indigo; dark purple; dark violet; reddish pink; orange; golden yellow. End ID.]

[Image ID 2: An 11 striped flag. Colors, in descending order, are: dark purple; dark violet; reddish pink; orange; golden yellow; white; green; sky blue; blue; indigo; dark purple. End ID]

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