#non-binary discourse

[spoon-the-raccoon]

"If we get rid of AGAB language how do we define being trans?"

By being trans, by going against how society sees you. Because guess what, not every trans person is going to transition, not every trans person fully removes themself from their "AGAB", not every trans person sees their transition as going from one side to the other.

Transgender is just a made up word just like every other word. It's a label you're supposed to use to help describe your experience, not another way to force others to conform.

Besides, AGAB language is completely useless when it is incredibly flawed. It just tells you what letter they put on your birth certificate and that is determined by your primary, secondary and beyond sexual characteristics. Guess what, not everybody's sexual characteristics fit, not everybody's "AGAB" fits them at all. Why? Because it's a pointless binary category based off of small minded individuals who think nature draws in straight lines and has a very simplified version of reality in this minds.

Also stop ignoring Intersex folks just because we don't fit your narrative and we're making you confront your own intersexism.

[the-future-is-chrome]

[plaguedpriest]

do people who say that it "doesn't make sense" to interpret gabriel as transmasc not understand what an allegory is 😭

he's a sexless being that had to work to rise in the ranks of heaven and "earn" his pronouns. then when he falls from said rank he's agressively degendered by the council as a means to degrade him, but the narration insists on referring to him correctly even when it wouldn't "make sense" to because it's what he worked hard for and learning to keep his agency and the identity he chose for himself rather than what's imposed on him is a major part of his character arc.

you can have whatever alternative interpretations and headcannons you want but saying that it doesn't make sense to read his arc as a transmasc allegorical narrative is not only invalidating people's experiences with a character they might honestly resonate with (most people i see who interpret him as such are transmasculine themselves) but also just. kind of refusing to engage with the text in its own terms?

like sure you can say that it doesn't make sense for gabriel to have enough self realization come out as queer and specifically as a trans man and start holy testosterone or whatever since before the events of the story but that's what an allegory is for. the world and story of ultrakill simply wouldn't allow for a character with modern understanding of queer terminology and culture to go through the same experiences that would be 100% analogous with that of a real life transgender man. gabriel is a fictional mythical being in a heavily fantasious non-modern setting that operates by its own rules entirely.

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

tfw people dismiss steven universe's queer representation because "they're just sentient rocks" or "they're genderless so it doesn't count as queer romance" but they're completely okay with shipping a girl and her abusive cat sister.

[twospiritstooprideful]

I think we think of non-binary folks as "half-boy half-girl" when they're not on that binary

So many people don't realize "non-binary" means non-binary

They're not on the middle of the "boy–girl" scale

They're off of the scale entirety

[penumbralwoods]

lays down and stares at the ceiling. really wish it was as easy for me to ignore casual exorsexism as it seems to be for so many of you

[ghostboyravenight]

the parent calling the police on a teacher for mentioning trans people in their classroom doesn’t care if you’re a trans man, woman, or non-binary. the man screaming “tranny” out of his car window doesn’t care if you’re a trans man, woman, or non-binary. the group of cis men beating you up for wearing a trans flag badge on your backpack don’t care if you’re a trans man, woman, or non-binary. the teacher reporting trans children to their transphobic parents doesn’t care if they’re trans boys, girls, or non-binary. the governments banning gender affirming care for children and adults alike do not care if you’re a trans man, woman, or non-binary.

we are all trannies in the eyes of the state, and we are all being eradicated from public life. there is no trans person who is your enemy, and playing oppression olympics amongst trans people gets us nowhere when the society out to get us has no interest in playing by your rules. you are simply distracting us from the real enemy, which is exactly what they want, and I’m going to assume that you’re on their side.

[steinbit]

what it feels like to no longer care about label discourse

[oh-dear-sally]

I know Kalvin Garrah is kind of old news at this point, but I just feel the need to talk about my feelings about this because ultimately it impacted me a ton.

I was a Kalvin Garrah fan in middle school (I know, awful.) I had been in the midst of an identity crisis since I was 10 and started looking towards YouTube at that time. I was a MEGA fan of Kalvin’s. I watched all of his content and genuinely became such an insufferable, annoying, person as a result. I KNEW I was trans, but from watching his content I convinced myself I could only be a binary trans person. I told myself I was a man and forced myself to be hyper masculine as a result. I hated myself so much and finally decided I wasn’t man enough and never would be (because, news flash, I was not a man.) After that it took me years to come to terms with my identity, to accept that I am non-binary and to stop hating myself.

And I have read stories from other people, young trans kids, in these spaces online that just felt so uncomfortable in their transness. Kalvin Garrah, and other transmeds (trans scum, etc) had such a major impact on trans people and it is STILL HAPPENING with trans people trying to cater to conservative people.

Just please keep an eye on any young trans people you know, and be a shoulder to cry on when they eventually realize how this affected them. Only reason I was able to start loving myself, and transness as a whole, was thanks to my lovely friends and other content creators that made me feel welcome and safe.

[imoga-pride]

Just because some identity is contradictory to you doesn't mean it can't make sense. Actually, nuanced identities are often contradictory when you know the basics of it, ignoring all details and complexity a multilabeled or combined identity can be.

If you think cisgender nonbinary people can't have a definition bc then it would describe someone who is not cis, then you're in the wrong bc just cause something describes you it doesn't mean it applies or include you bc the identity requires self-identification as well.

Same goes for bi lesbian, demisexual, or lesboy, you 'are technically lesboy' (/demi/lunian) but refuses to label yourself as such? Cool then you're not/don't experience that identity 🤯 and that's okay. But to imply anyone with such identity are not that thing bc it can't exist, then you're being a reality denier, bc ppl with such identities exist regardless if you recognize them or not. For instance, just bc someone uses ungrammatical conlangs doesn't mean that language can't exist. In fact, it's written already and it's on you if you're gonna cry or ignore.

Also transhet people are allowed to be nonbinary; binaryn't transfems/transmascs are allowed to be hetero due to their alignment, presentation, AGAB, or any other typical reason.

[teenagecowboyrunaway]

Having labels is so weird in the online queer community. Because if I say that im a lesbian, that's chill, but if I say I'm a 'demiromantic biromantic homosexual genderfluid enby' who uses the label 'lesbian' people online try and start discourse about it? Literally who gives a shitttt

[purplezombietumbler]

[northstarscowboyhat]

I gotta learn to stay off utdr fan spaces that aren’t specifically uty

[trubbishrubbish]

New Raincode interview confirms something that I was not surprised to see.

Highlighted part was translated with DeepL.

Basically, Kodaka did not intend for Halara to be non-binary or be a positive LGBT rep.

I'm not surprised this is the case becuase Kodaka is still a cis guy and he really did not take to heart all the criticisms people had about Danganronpa when he made Rain Code. A lot of his bad writing choices are still in Rain Code like perverted jokes involving minors and racist character designs, of course when it comes to writing about gender, Kodaka would not write with a progressive mindset.

That said, Halara is still sending a social message, despite Kodaka not wanting it to be that way. Everyone in game respects Halara's gender. they never refer to them with he/she pronouns and there is never a point where they reveal that Halara was lying and they are actually a man/women.

Even when Shinigami, who calls Halara, "Hellara," pokes fun at if Halara is a man or a women, still respects their gender and pronouns

When Yuma is wondering about Halara's gender, he doesn't ask them because he thinks it would rude to suddenly spring this question up on them.

All this is sending the message that even if you question a person's gender when it isn't clearly defined as "male" or "female" you should still respect their identity no matter what as it's the polite thing to do.

And Halara's gender being unspecified means it can be anything from non-binary or agender or even a gender Halara themselves made to suit them.

It's funny how Kodaka can't write a good LGBT character on purpose, it has to be by accident. He accidently wrote Halara to be a positive nb rep.

So while referring to Halara as non-binary may technically be against the creators intention... Who fucking cares, the creator can't force people think about the characters he made in same way he does. They are going to think about characters in the most fun and LGBT positive way.

Sometimes craft even better versions of the character that the creator did not.

Link to the full interview:

[foxglove-garden]

I don't know if I am ever actually going to like talk about this again on any of my blogs but I'm technically not a binary trans man.

I often simplify my identity to just "FTM", "trans man" or "transmasculine", but to be completely honest, I'm demi masculine and nonbinary, but just heavily masculine leaning.

I have the demiboy symbol tattooed on my ankle, and I don't plan on getting it covered or changed anytime soon despite the fact that I usually refer to myself as just a transgender man instead of elaborating, because to me it is more accurate of a description for myself.

I identified as non-binary starting at the time I was like 16 years old until I came out as transmasculine at 24 (also should probably mention that I was diagnosed with an intersex variation at 22, which also affected how I viewed my gender identity in a lot of ways), and I still have a lot of nuances and fluidity to my gender, though none of that could be described as feminine or female. The closest that I really get to feminine or female is feeling kind of like a femboy or girlboy, but even that is pretty heavily leaning towards the "boy" side of things.

I guess the best way that I can describe it is that everyone's gender is like a different color in a crayon box, and if binary male was classic Blue, my gender would be more like dark teal or almost emerald green. Like, the blue is definitely there and it almost looks blue, but there's a bit of green in there and it's kind of dark and muddy.

I don't think that this really makes a lot of difference whenever it comes to things on my page but I feel like it's important to me so I wanted to mention it.

I'm a guy. But I'm also non-binary. I'm a non-binary guy. And there's really nothing that weird about that at all.

I know that most people are used to people who are younger identifying as non-binary and either growing out of it or just keeping quiet about it, so I really want to just normalize that I am almost 30, I have children and a family, I use primarily he him pronouns but also sometimes they or it, and I'm a non-binary man.

Just wanted to say that so that other people hopefully don't feel like the only people who are older than 25 with slightly unconventional or mogai identities. You aren't alone. We exist.

[whereserpentswalk]

So, my dad is extremely transphobic. I also recently learned he thinks of himself as being like Scott Pilgrim (and thinks of my mom as being his Ramona Flowers). Because of this, I've decided to headcannon Scott as trans out of spite. Help me choose what specifically I should headcannon them as (if it helps you choose, my dad is the more bigoted agaisnt transneutral people then he is transmasc or transfem people).