#persecutor protector

[system-of-a-feather]

By the way, Aderis is very pro persecutor reform and I support that but I'm very pro "persecutors don't really exist, just alters that aren't on the same page" and "not all persecutors need to reform, sometimes the whole system needs to reform"

Cause like I'm still technically a persecutor part - at least historically - and I didn't reform, the system had to reform to accomodate and hear me out and it's done the system as a whole a lot of good.

The idea that persecutors are inherently 100% wrong or "confused" is bullshit, particularly when 9/10 times the system as a whole is also not providing the most stellar communication with them either.

-XIV

[the-moonjay-forest-system]

Trigger warning: mentions of suicidal ideation, hints towards suicide attempts and self-harm

So it's suicide prevention month, I wanted to talk about my experience as a suicidal alter within a system. It sucks, obviously. I suppose it really sheds light on how the host is the only part that's seen as real and how any part that tries to harm them is deemed as bad. We're all parts of the same damn person the host isn't special! If I'm hurting them then I'm almost always hurting my self!

It's like there's more sympathy towards when the host is struggling with suicidal thoughts and self harm than any other alter but especially the alters who's entire purpose is to hurt the system or to end their life. I guess it's seen as worse because we'd be dragging the other alters down with us (which would happen regardless of which alter takes their life) and there's alters who aren't suicidal and who do want to live so it's selfish to take their life away? But we're all part of the same brain, people are complicated they can believe two things at once but when DID and OSDD1 come into the picture those two conflicting beliefs may be put into different alters, it's still the same thing though. I'm not an evil spirit possessing the body (well I am a ghost alter but you know what I mean) and trying to hurt the poor innocent host I'm the part that split to, in our brains twisted little way, end our life to protect us from further suffering.

The host is allowed to have suicidal thoughts, they're allowed to struggle and because they're too scared to do it themself they'll let me in. But when I do something "bad" they get to come back and be like "Yellow fronted and did this, she's so scary! What if she kills me" as if it's not what they wanted.

Systems, treat your suicidal parts better even if they're scary, even if you don't want to die because repressing and demonising them isn't gonna help. They deserve kindness and understanding just as much as any other part. And if other suicidal alters see this, I know it's hard and like how are we supposed to "get better" when we're just locked away and treaten as monsters but you're not alone and I hope things get better. And I hope anyone reading this struggling with suicidal ideation holds on a little longer. It might sound disingenuous coming from me but I really do mean it.

(Thought we'd add userboxes on alter specific posts we don't have that many saved yet so you just get this from me for now)

[mystery-aberration]

System roles do not have to be your entire identity. You do not have to conform to the stereotypes of them, and you do not have to hold your role alone or without help. You do not need to keep them forever, either. They may be what you were placed into the system to help with, and they may be something you are good at--but it does not have to be you forever.

I am a persecutor, and that does not mean I should be treated differently or harmed. Being a persecutor does not mean that everyone should be scared of you by default either.

Protectors should not be expected to be strong and emotionless walls to put in front of everything all the time. They do not need to be tools.

Comforters might need a break to unload their own stress and need comfort in turn. They do not need to give all of themselves to everyone else and never expect help back.

Littles may not be littles forever, and should not be devalued just because they are children. They are just as real and alive as any other system member and should be taken into account.

Trauma/memory holders might need help to cope with the things they hold, and sometimes when the time is right it means sharing that burden. Maybe there is no right time, but they deserve support whether they can share those memories or not.

Gatekeepers may need a break from controlling switches or access to front, and should be allowed one if needed. Gatekeeping can be a lot of work.

Hosts do not need to do everything for the body or system all the time. Sometimes, being the host of a system can be hard, and support and breaks are deserved.

Systems often put a lot of weight on roles, and it can impact the way that those who have them can feel about their role. It is okay to fit into your role, but it is also okay to not fit, or to end up not fitting your role over time. Some headmates can feel like a failure if they do not uphold their role, some can feel like they have no other choice even if they wanted to not perform it. But a role is a description, it is not an essence of who you are and will forever be. This may be non-traditional but we use roles exclusively as self descriptors so that we do not get wrapped up in what we "should be". If the label no longer fits, or if you need help more than you might have in the past, that is okay.

Be kind to yourselves, and be kind to your other headmates.

[system-cypress]

IMPORTANT PSA ABOUT 'PROBLEMATIC SOURCES'

If you ban certain alters from certain sources from your space, you are being abelist. No one controls how introjects form, no one controls their source and no one exists just to trigger you. Try to take a minute to realize that excluding those alters alienates so many systems. It's not up to you how systems cope.

[syscultureis]

Plural culture as an anger holder, persecutor, and protector, is getting more and more annoyed at how much ppl on this community seem to think labeling sexuality and gender is one of the most important things ever.

It's not apart of my job to be attracted to people, or label how I feel.

I've had ppl try and tell me I'm aroace because I don't care to be attracted to people. I'm not.

If I was anything, it would be wholey unlabeled.

Let alters not label themselves, because for some of us, it's not fucking important. We don't need to. We have more important shit going on than who we want to fuck

[shulkerbullets]

nobody gets him like i do ‼️

[ix-c-999]

system role blinkies, part 2

bonus sentipet flag blinkie but with the word "syspet"

[this post has no DNI other than not to start discourse or mockery]

[boxesforsys]

Userboxes for systems who's persecutors are NOT misguided protectors! Click for quality, and leave a note if you save/use

[Text: This system's persecutors are not misguided protectors]

[Text: This system's persecutors are not misguided protectors. We call them persecutors for a reason]

[armydreamersys]

Shout out to persecutor altars/headmates. It's rough out here. I see you.

- 🖖🏾

[system-of-a-feather]

System Dynamic Rambles with XIV: Chapter 1; We Don't Have Persecutors in This System

Ignore the dramatic title I thought it would be funny. Like this MIGHT be a series if I have more rambles on the topic, but I'm mostly clowning up there. That said, I really wanted to go on an acre long spiel about how systematic thinking and how individualistic thinking / capitalism is a plague on living and finding stability with DID; but I was only supposed to be out to go pick up Riku their sandwich so I will just open up one chapter line on this and leave the rest for if I feel like it later.

None of these are supposed to be professional or organized, thus the "rambles" just some thoughts of mine that I feel might be worth thinking about.

Additionally, these are my opinions and perspectives; I will be stating absolute statements in terms of recovery and while I do realize there are likely different ways of healing and different perspectives and there is never a "no way" or "never" in healing, this is how we approach our system and these are of my opinions. This paragraph serves as a disclaimer for if anyone is sensitive to that to just turn around.

But first things first, our system operates as a unit. The general theme of this whole ramble and if there is anything I would want to say as my first piece of advice to any alter or part in a leadership or leadership-adjacent position (host or respected leading protector) that the thing you have to know first and foremost is that you are never going to get anywhere or reduce any long term stability by playing games of "what >I< want" or denying anyone anything; even if what they want on a surface level sounds entirely opposite to what you want.

My main point of claim to that is that you can't kick parts out of your system, you can't kill parts in your system, you can repress them and silence them and ignore them and pretend they aren't there, but every time you do that it will only simply make them come back stronger in the future and you will be 100% back to where you were at best, or worse - with someone even more adamant and stuck in the surface level of what they "want".

You can't say "no" to a part that expresses that they really want something, because more often than not, that want - if genuine and strong - is a need. It might not sound like a need to you, but it is a need. If you want something and another part wants something that conflicts with it, you do not say no, you sit down and get to the root of both of your "wants" to see what "need" the "wants" fulfills and you find a way to incorporate both NEEDS the best possible. Anything attempt less than that will always drive up conflict, instability, bad blood, and poor faith between parts and overall make your life an increasing living hell.

With that in mind, I go by the mantra of "erase the words 'I want'" from your functional and serious communication vocabulary - its fine to think and feel and say it whenever - but you should not be approaching in a leading role with "I want" but collect yourself and to the best of your ability lead with "Currently I want and am working towards XYZ because [reason / need]" and keeep that perspective and mindset when trying to help a part that has a need / want that is "incompatible" figure out the core reason / need that they are operating and wanting from the system and thus incooperating both needs / reasons with a "Need first" perspective.

As long as there is a class in any society, or in a system, whose needs are not being met, there will inherently always be distrust, instability, chaos, and conflict. With distrust, instability, chaos, and conflict - even those that are "good" and "successful" will eventually find themselves unable to reach their goals or properly establish any form of consistent and stable peace as those that are being scuffed to the side will inevitably find themselves unable to bear with the weight of their neglected needs.

With that in mind, I started the movement in our system that has officially taken hold that this system has absolutely zero persecutors. None. We have introjects of abusers, we have trauma holders, we have parts that re-instate abuse as a protective measure, but we do not have any persecutors, because there is no one who is hurting the system.

We have parts that like the term persecutor, they can call themselves that, but among the leadership roles in this system, those are just "parts who engage in persecutory behavior more than others and identify with that". We refuse to perceive any part in our system as a problem or anything against the whole because - for better or worse - no one can leave the system so being against it doesn't really work for those of us trying to maintain peace and direction for the unit.

Parts who engage in persecutory behaviors are in then simply behaving as a "part whose needs are not being met by the system". People, animals, and living beings - when their needs are met - are prone to being content and cooperative, if a part is being aggressive or uncooperative, it is because they have a need.

So rather than having persecutors, we have parts who are being failed by the current system in hand and parts who are upset as a result. There is no 'against the system' or 'hurting the system' or 'abusing the system', simply that whatever we currently have in place currently does not effectively take them into account.

From there it is not that you have to fix the part or reject their needs, it is that you have to fix the system itself by investigating where in the state of the system that part is being failed; what need are they having that is not getting met, and what is the best and most practical way to fix that.

It's not something easy and its definitely easier said than done, but it is really the only sustainable way we've found to actively, rapidly, and effectively stabilizing an unstable environment.

Theres a lot more to it and shit, but thats just chapter one of my communist manifesto. Tune in for more later.

-XIV

[hatchetboycore]

honestly, by being anti endo you are actively saying that you believe they exist. if they didn’t exist, you wouldn’t have to say that. you wouldn’t have to have an opinion on if they exist or not, and because you do, you’re admitting that you think they’re real.

[non-dys-sys]

Persecutors deserve better and not because they’re “misguided protectors” but because they’re people. -Kage

[redacted-coiner]

Host, Admin(link), Co-Host

Soother(link), Caregiver(link), Comforter(link)

Protector(link), Gatekeeper(link), Persecutor(link)

Some system roles!

DNI is listed within my pinned post. Please go read it before interacting with any part of my content. Ask to tag!

[system-hottakes]

Hot take: Some persecutors are just bad people. Not all persecutors are misguided protectors.

definitely. Some alters are just bad people in general. They don't even have to be persecutors. Like we have a anger holder that's a pretty shitty guy. He's not misguided. He knows what he's doing, he just doesn't care. We also have a protector that's a horrible person who tries to fight everyone. Not to protect us, no, he wants to fight people just because he likes fighting.

[s1ckeningd3sires]

PERSECUTORS ARE NOT EVIL

PERSECUTORS ARE NOT EVIL

PERSECUTORS ARE NOT EVIL

PERSECUTORS ARE NOT EVIL

PERSECUTORS ARE NOT EVIL

PERSECUTORS ARE NOT EVIL

[beelzebubsbois]

ARE WE SURE SANDER SIDES ISNT RELATED TO OSDDID? BECAUSE FOR SOMETHING NOT RELATED TO OSDDID IT DOES AN AMAZING JOB AT SHOWING DID SYSPTOMS AND SYSTEM SHIT.