#twisted wonderland chapter 7 spoilers

[bl0rbohandbag]

[agisleepy]

Everyone after the update:

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[twistedtrashposts]

This isn't a prediction, but I think it'd be really cool/sad if all the other Overblotters woke themselves up (or were just aware in their dreams) bc, through the events of their Overblot, they've already accepted that their dreams won't come true.

[yuri-is-online]

A Chapter 7 thought

What if in addition to blaming Lilia for causing Malleus’s overblot the senate/council/I forget what they're called blames Yuu. Because their soul is empty and they showed up at the start of the year so clearly they're the cause for these multiple incidents.

And that's what makes Grim overblot. Not Yuu going home, but Yuu being taken away by thorns.

[kami-kun1003]

WARNING: Spoilers for chapter 7

this was a lot funnier in my head

[equestriagirl16]

TWST book 7 spoilers‼️‼️‼️

SO YOURE TELLIN ME SILVER IS MOST LIKELY GONNA HAVE TO FACE OFF WITH OB!MALLEUS AND IT COULD BE A DIRECT PARALLEL OF WHEN MALLEUS’ MOM FAUGHT WITH THAT KNIGHT WHOS ALSO MOST LIKELY RELATED TO SILVER FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK-

[insideous-beez]

I had a dream where the Briar Valley family went into "hiding," except "hiding" was just Malenoa and Malleus both working in retail at the mall and trying very hard to act like "modern common folk" despite very much still having horns and wearing royal garments.

In other words, I got to harass Malleus at the mall (/affectionate) and we both had to keep creeps from talking to Malenoa, for their own safety.

[ocean-blue-orchids]

This is my informal apology for being too busy to post this week

[nihilistic-nun]

TWST Book 7 Spoilers

[treycloverthirstclub]

Ch 7 Spoilers!

wdym it didn't happen like that.

bonus doodle that made me immeasurably sad:

anyways. can't wait to read the next chapters and suffer further!

[charonyx]

SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER/BOOK 7 PART 6!!!!

Ok, so, thinking about the ending of the recent chapter 7 update and rewatching it, it seems that Ortho probably forcefully relocated the gang to Idia's dream where Idia is fully awake, but Malleus hasn't noticed since he's busy with Lilia. This seems likely since when Ortho moved them, they were still falling and crash landed instead of their consciousness reappearing in their bodies. So I'm guessing that Ortho was able to infiltrate Idia's dream and make him be lucid and somehow Ortho was able to tell that Silver was dream hopping? I don't know if he just found them by coincidence, like, sensing fluctuations in the dream space and quickly connected to the dream corridor to find the Dream Team.

Anyways, had to throw this thought out there before I forget since it's midnight where I'm at lol

[bl0rbohandbag]

If you told me four years ago that Idia Shroud was set up to have a boss fight with Malleus Draconia I would have laughed in your face.

I would have laughed.

[agisleepy]

Current obsession: the music that plays in Lilia's Dreamscape

[twistedtrashposts]

Damn Malleus was so maidenless he literally couldn't even be born-

[yuri-is-online]

Twisted Time Loops (CH. 6/7 Spoilers)

I have been going insane while reading chapter 6 for... several reasons, but mostly because literally everything I read convinces me some sort of time travel/looping going on here, and that it's probably Malleus's fault. Screenshots and ramble under the cut.

"1,000 years will pass in a blink of an eye." is what Malleus promises us in the pv for his chapter, but that's not the first time this specific amount of time has been mentioned in TWST. It has appeared twice in chapter 6 so far, first when Idia is measuring Grim's blot level:

And second pretty much immediately afterwords when Idia and Ortho are talking about the phantoms trapped in Tartarus:

What Vil says here is extremely important to me. "Living as a hate filled monster for over a millennium." We don't know if 1,000 years will actually pass in chapter 7 yet, but if it does, based off everything said here, Malleus could still be alive and suffering on a level unlike any of the previous overblots we've seen before. The main issue would be whether or not the phantom that exists 1,000 years from now is still Malleus. Idia and Ortho make it pretty clear, in my opinion at least, that the phantom an overblot produces starts as a separate entity to the mage. After a while the phantom consumes and replaces the mage, but it's unclear how much of the mage's personality remains. Will there be anything left of Malleus to reason with when we wake up? Or will he just be a mindless phantom trying desperately to keep his "paradise" alive?

To be honest I don't think any of this is groundbreaking news. It just means that twst is pretty good at foreshadowing things. What's really confusing, to me at least, is when you start trying to fit Grim and Yu into this puzzle.

It's pretty much accepted that Grim has something to do with the Chimera we fight in the prologue, even if that isn't something the game has outright confirmed (yet). What I initially focused on the first time I read this chapter was Idia saying Grim was "a magical fusion of a direbeast and some kind of animal..." and "a direbeast with high blot density." Mostly because A) hahaha sucks to be you Grim you really are a cat and B) what the hell is a direbeast? A chimera is a fictional beast created by fusing more than one creature together, so it makes sense that Grim could be labeled a chimera given this description, but again, what is a direbeast in Twisted Wonderland? Direbeast puts me in the mind of direwolves, which in fiction are typically portrayed as highly intelligent wolves, sometimes capable of human speech. They are almost always portrayed as un-repentantly evil, and occasionally working with evil aligned races, Tolkien's orcs immediately come to mind for me. But that's Tolkien and this is a very well researched Disney game, so while the concept is likely similar there's still a lot we don't know about monsters in Twisted Wonderland, in fact the only things we do know for certain come from the start of chapter 6: they attack human villages and their default nature is seen as violent. I would add screenshots here but I am reaching my limit, but Ace is the one who tells us monsters attacks humans (he is apparently capable of watching the news) and Crowley is the one who suggests Grim attacking us might simply be his true nature as a monster shining through. Because he isn't sketchy enough, clearly.

So monsters regularly attack human settlements, and we can assume that they can accumulate blot based off what Idia says about direbeats, but that just raises the question of why anyone would create Grim in the first place. Is the spell Idia found traces of on Grim, the "thousand year old primeval magic," responsible for his creation, or something else entirely? Assuming there really is a time loop going on, I think it's safe to assume that what we see at the start of the game with the forced loss to the chimera is what happens during the "bad end," maybe the end of the previous loop. So why would I say this is all Malleus's fault if we are loosing to a chimera?

If there really is a time loop going on, there needs to be an original timeline. Malleus overblotting honestly seems like an unavoidable event, Lilia was always going to leave him eventually and (as important as Yu is to him) this is clearly what has triggered him going off of the deep end. As much as I like Lilia, he is not exactly... the best parent. If he leaves with the same abruptness in every timeline I just cannot see things going any other way. So let's suppose Mallues overblots, locks everyone in a sleep for 1,000 years and now we are stuck in a loop trying to undo that. Did the other boys overblot in the original timeline too? I don't know. Idia says he finds it hard to believe Vil, Jamil, or Leona would overblot under normal circumstances, and while I am unsure if I agree about Jamil I don't think saying he has a point about Leona is remotely controversial. If an outside force is causing these particular overblots in the first place, then that sort of pokes holes in Malleus being solely responsible for this theory, but then we need to ask why. Who benefits from these overblots? The answer appears to be no one, or at least no one we have met.

The two most likely theories that I have seen are A) the whole game is a dream we are having while asleep under Malleus's spell and a side effect of trying to wake up, and B) just that we are re-setting time. I don't think these two theories are mutually exclusive exactly, we could just be re-setting a dream as opposed to time, but the question of how we got here remains. So here are my theories:

The spell Idia senses was cast on Grim by Malleus for some unknown reason. The only real evidence I have to support this is that A) he cannot tell if it is a blessing or a curse, Malleus' signature spell is a blessing that sounds like a curse B) Ortho says the only real difference between the two is intent anyway so there is no real reason to think Malleus could not use his magic to do either. The age of the spell could be a misdirection, it is 1,000 years old and it is ancient magic but that is because Grim was created 1,000 years in the future in a timeline that no longer exists. The flaw in this theory is that I don't think there is any concrete evidence Malleus knows how to cast "primeval magic." Sure he knows how to read ancient texts, but he says he is not as powerful or knowledgeable as his grandma and balks at being compared to the thorn fairy. Seeing as he isn't exactly humble I am sure we would know if he could.

The spell Idia senses has something to do with the direbeast used in Grim's creation. My logic for this is that we don't have any evidence to say that the direbeast used in Grim's creation wasn't the Chimera we see at the start of the game. Maybe that direbeast has been around since the age of the gods, which is apparently only around 1,000 years ago since that's the time period Idia gives for both primeval magic and as the age of the oldest phantoms (as of ch. 44 , so that's subject to change.) We don't know anything about how monsters age, use magic, or behave in their natural habitat so anything is possible as far as this is concerned. Maybe he was sensing Grim's signature spell for all we know.

Mickey says that he has had the same dream three times already, but immediately after that he says "There are always living cards and a dancing music box, too... But your voice gets clearer and clearer every time." People tend to gloss over that, but now that I think about it? I assume this refers to Ace and Deuce (the living cards) and Ortho (the dancing music box). He ends his little speech by asking if we maybe aren't a dream, which is what most people focus on in addition to the fact that he can see Silver. I have no idea what this means other than confirming Ace, Deuce, and Ortho are always a part of this timeline somehow. Maybe they are always friends with Yu? Who knows but good for them.

This is mostly just for laughs, but originally I was kicking around Yu not being present for the original timeline. My thought process was that maybe they got summoned to be Malleus's friend so he would have someone to rely on once Lilia left but that back fired because Yu wants to go home and also has no magic. I don't really think that anymore, Yu's presence probably has more to do with the creation of Grim. While theory 1 sounds much more plausible to me, I am kind of rooting for Grim and Yu to be 1,000 year old leftovers from some sort of attempt to contain blot that went terribly wrong that Crowley decided to dig out of some sketchy storage unit somewhere to try and fix his problem children. I think Yu deserves to be the FFXIV Azem of this story, which isn't something you should google if you intend to play that game.

Anyway that's all I have got, feel free to reblog and add your theories I am curious as to what other smarter people noticed. Just remember to tag appropriately.

[granolahbarbootygreen]

Seeing Silver breakdown in tears like that broke me