#LGBT discourse

[veryconfusedviking]

I don't really understand making new flags and adding letters to the lgbtq

One would not say "Infinity +1", when a flag or label represents everything, why add to it? If we tried to put every single possible identity into the flag, then it would become a mess. It's the same with "lgbtq", increasing it forever doesn't make sense.

Trying to include every single possibility is a fruitless endeavor, it'd be stupid to write infinity as "1+2+3+4+5+6...", that's why we say infinity. It encompasses all.

So yeah, I think saying anything above lgbt/lgbtq+ is kinda odd, and I think a rainbow flag is the perfect symbol for everyone, and it'd just be kinda dumb to try adding even more identities as some are trying to do now.

Flags for labels and microlabels are perfectly fine, but if you want a single flag or a label to define everything on top of that, then it needs to stay broad, like the rainbow flag.

People deserve to be seen, and I understand that changing the flag or acronym is a way to do that, but it sets a precedent that's going to cause problems in the future. Lesser known identities should be talked about and represented, but altering the flag or acronym is not the best way to do that.

We shouldn't make the acronym longer, if we were to change it, we should make it broader instead of just adding one new letter every time. An example of this is changing it from letters to a word, like "The Prideful ". That's a pretty horrible example, but you get the idea.

idk tho, I'm just a tree.

[gnattgnert]

FAX MY SISTER

SHIT YOUR SPIT INDEED

Ice cold takes from a Transgender Woman:

Men are not inherently Evil

Everyone has the capacity for evil

Transgender Men are men

Transgender Women are women

Excluding Cisgender Men from your spaces requires Transgender Men to out themselves if they want to engage (Same for Women)

Anyone can be Non-Binary, there is no "look" or requirement

Non-binary masculine presenting people should be welcome in queer spaces, many are just treated as men and predators

Non-binary feminine presenting people should be welcome in queer spaces without being seen as "Woman-Lite"

Edited the wording on the first point because too many terfs keep thinking I'm their friend.

[hiiragi7]

Honestly, the amount of assumptions that other trans people make about trans people's bodies based on whether they're transmasc or transfem is a large part of why I don't identify with those terms currently. I don't want people to make assumptions about my body and how it functions, my birth sex, how I was socially raised, my lived experiences, or anything else based on what gender identity I currently identify with. I remember a time when the trans community felt very united on the idea that nobody ever needs to know what's in your pants, and that it's fucking weird to ask - but nowdays, with all the discourse surrounding labels, it feels like everyone is much too comfortable pressing for details about what genitals you were born with and what your original birth certificate says.

Another part of it is, as an intersex person, I feel completely excluded from these terms. Every definition, every discourse, every discussion of transfemininity and transmasculinity is completely perisex-centered. It feels like there's no place for me at all with regards to these terms, and it makes me feel like I can't really use either label, even though sometimes I wish to. Even when intersex people are brought up, it always turns into debates about how close an intersex person has to be to a binary sex to be able to appropriately claim transfemininity or transmasculinity; we are still being violently forced into perisex ideas of transness for the sake of upholding a binary.

[xxbl00dsh3dbunnyxx]

I WANT THE LGBT COMMUNITY TO JUST STOP FIGHTING

WE ARE NOT AGAINST EACHOTHER, WE ARE NOT ENEMIES NO MATTER HOW YOU IDENTIFY

TRANS PEOPLE ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, INTERSEX PEOPLE ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, BISEXUALS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, LESBIANS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, ASEXUALS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, AROMANTICS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, ETC

TERFS ARE YOUR ENEMY, TRANSPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, HOMOPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, ACEPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, AROPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, ETC

STOP PUSHING AT EACHOTHER, START PUSHING FOR EACHOTHER, ANY HATE TOWARDS ANY GROUP OF US IS HATE TOWARDS ALL OF US

TRANS PEOPLE BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, INTERSEX PEOPLE BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, BISEXUALS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, LESBIANS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, ASEXUALS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, AROMANTICS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, ETC

THERE ARE NO "GOOD" QUEERS IN THEIR EYES, AS LONG AS YOU ARE QUEER YOU WILL BE A TARGET

DISCRIMINATION IS DISCRIMINATION, DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A PHYSICAL ATTACK, MEDICAL DISCRIMINATION, GOVERNMENTAL, ALL OF IT

STOP TRYING TO ATTACK EACHOTHER, WE ARE ALL EQUAL

[aromanticunt]

incredible things are happening on alloromantic twitter

[tandrasma]

it also hurts intersex people as well; never forget that.

Hello, here to remind people that this discourse is hurting nonbinary people as well, especially nonbinary transmascs.

Please include your nonbinary siblings in your advocacy, and don’t forget to uplift their voices as well. The assholes calling people “theyfabs” and denying the existence of transandrophobia aren’t just out to get trans men.

Half the posts I see are about "theyfab trender tme they/hes", they hate nonbinary people too.

Trans men are left out of the conversation far too often; please don't repeat the same mistake with a different group.

[intersexability]

Here’s your friendly reminder that AFAB and AMAB are meaningless and obsolete terms!

[moneyfor-nothing]

Kind of hate that looking at the “trans rights” tag on tumblr makes a whole lot of porn pop up actually

Like I’m looking for resources not the fetishization of human bodies

[nuke-your-mind]

hi. everyone should be whatever they want forever amen. this is a post about gender and sex. yes it includes 14 year olds on tiktok with hyperspecific xenogenders and male lesbians and female gays and detransitioners and cis intersex people and

[fite-club]

i genuinely think mogai discourse and a fixation with microlabeling (and therefore, a focus on internal identity rather than shared issues and experiences) is partly to blame for where we're at now in terms of how tumblr users [mis]understand oppression. because the concept of "queerness" deviated away from "the lived experiences of people marginalized by misogyny/homophobia/transphobia" and towards "the feeling that you, personally, are different from everyone else", it's twisted people's base perception of what things like homphobia and transphobia even are. the focus for labels now is on "who is affected" rather than "the systemic forces at play", which is where you get weird shit like "panphobia" and "exorsexism", and why so many TME people try to argue that they're actually TMA because "all trans and intersex people are hurt by transmisogyny". these labels for "oppression" aren't based on underlying institutions of power and privilege, they're based on the idea that every group deserves their own special language. so, i genuinely think this is the crux of "is transandrophobia real" discourse-- it's why people read "transandrophobia doesn't exist" as "trans men aren't oppressed" instead of "oppression against men doesn't exist", and it's why people argue over whether or not "transandrophobia" implies misandry/androphobia/etc exists. no idea what to do about this tbh! especially when so many people actively refuse to read theory or educate themselves about the origins of marginalized groups' language

[lascivuscorvus]

I really like this passage from Stone Butch Blues. I feel like it really summarizes much of the discourse going on in LGBT community (and TERF retoric)

[feral-queercore-punk]

hate how afab and amab have become the woke male and female, instead of language to help us dismantle inherent arbitrariness of the sex binary

[hiriamcdaniels]

Don't make me tap the sign

[krispysblorbos]

I’m too much of a pussy to post this on twitter

[star-anise]

I heard an LGBTQ+ rights lawyer say once that we've gone from "the love that dare not speak its name" to "the love that will not shut the fuck up" and honestly I think that's beautiful.

[intersexability]

I genuinely think we need to stop using the terms AFAB and AMAB, at the very least as commonly as they are currently used. There are times when those terms are helpful, but most of the time, they really aren’t and just perpetuate unnecessary division, a false binary, and intersexism