#intercommunity discourse

[tandrasma]

it also hurts intersex people as well; never forget that.

Hello, here to remind people that this discourse is hurting nonbinary people as well, especially nonbinary transmascs.

Please include your nonbinary siblings in your advocacy, and don’t forget to uplift their voices as well. The assholes calling people “theyfabs” and denying the existence of transandrophobia aren’t just out to get trans men.

Half the posts I see are about "theyfab trender tme they/hes", they hate nonbinary people too.

Trans men are left out of the conversation far too often; please don't repeat the same mistake with a different group.

[intersexcat-tboy]

Quick, forget intersectionality!

I think not. I'm not going to just forget something a lot of people consider a world view shifter. What follows wasn't even a viable comparison anyways 😭

[viciouslyrobotic]

Its not trans fems we need to be taking issue with, its patriarchy and polarizing ourselves only serves that. Trans radfeminism is already a polarized ideology and we do not need to feed into it to have our criticisms of those perpetuating transandrophobia.

Its also been primarily folk like fite-club (fellow trans mascs) going abt being egregiously transmisogynistic and transandrophobic, too, and it should NOT escape our purview that trans fems like starryjoy, velvetvexations and intersex trans fems like impunkster-syndrome have been called fakers or straight up cis/trans men pretending to be trans women for speaking up and supporting us including the trans fem HARASSED INTO SHOWING ID for fighting alongside us. Intersex folk in general have ALSO been getting thrown under the bus and ran over repeatedly by the discourse on all sides and we shouldn't be doing that!

It not only trans mascs that are continuously sticking up for us against trans radfeminism! And they are getting hurt with us because this ideology hurts ALL of us bc trans radfeminism relies on transmisogyny, exorsexism, intersexism and transandrophobia to sustain itself. Please don't lose sight of that.

Also fite-club if u see this purchase some glass cleaner or better yet a mirror bc not a single one of us is a reflection for you.

[tmasc-confessions]

The hatred of trans men being into kink pisses me off.

"Trans men can't be into being subs &/or pet play! It makes me dysphoric and uncomfortable!"

"Trans men can't be into being doms &/or forcemasc! It makes me uncomfortable!"

Who literally asked, God. It's called blocking and moving the FUCK on. Sometimes I like things in the bedroom one week and other things the next, should I have to cater to your fweewings? No, just block me and move on with your life.

This is super important!!! And also the last ask I will post on this specific subject for now because it’s a good final point to make and the topic is getting a little excessive!!

[justsumtransdude2000]

hot take but you guys care too fucking much about how queer people look to non-queer people and it shows in the inter community discourse. like, the he/him lesbian thing (which was kind of terf-y im sorry im sorry im sorry) i felt was less about queer people being upset about the 'rules' of a label being defied and more about certain gay people being upset at how the defying of that label made the queer community look, because if labels aren't extremely strict that means there aren't rules, because the queer community's substitute for rules is labels, and if there aren't rules we aren't like the cis straights, and if we look to dissimilar from them and then we can't sit at their table for lunch! like whether you'd like to admit it or not cis straight people (regardless of 'ally status' because honestly I don't think any straight cis people are genuine allies to this community) are kind of the enemy when it comes to queer rights because there is no differentiation between the good cis straight people - the 'allies' - and the bad ones - the ones who actively campaign against us - because everyone has led them to believe the queer community is something we are not, so 'allies' allyship only extends so far (only extends to binary trans people, or people who 'pick a side' or normal trannies - did I say that? I meant trans people!). like you guys are watering the entire community down for the enemy!

[adhbabey]

i forgot to do this during pride month bc like. adhd and pathological demand avoidance autism, but like.... can we just be accepting of like sapphic people, regardless of whether or not they like men or have complicated gender identities.

And can we also not be weird about multi spectrum sexuality people too. Like... I don't want to go in the bi community and find weirdos who are like "being pan is just [reductive statement here], so bi is inherently superior and better". Like I identify as bisexual panromantic and I think it's weird to reduce either identity down into definitions. Like you both are valid, now leave each other alone. Plus there's other multi-spec identities, so you're going to have to get along and share the space.

Also just..... sapphic people can be multiple genders and they can like multiple genders of people, but they're usually happy with fem-aligned people to date with. And can that be something people bond over and are happy about, without pushing people out of those communities? Queerness in general is a large spectrum of people, of course that one label is going to have an umbrella of a bunch of people. It's normal, please get over it. You don't have to have the same EXACT experiences, you can still bond.

Thank you. Respect queer people, regardless of what their personal experience is.

[starryroe]

I'll be fully honest rn, sometimes I get kinda scared of pointing out transmisogynistic and/or exclusionary behavior within some accounts that post in the transandrophobia tag, but it is mostly because I am terrified of my posts about it going out of target audience and people telling me "see!!they're turning on you now!!!" when every single transmasc I've ever shown these things to has agreed that yeah, they look pretty bad

anyways if your focus on defeating transandrophobia is on how there's some really mean trans women and you only ever talk about that (when the transandrophobic Tumblr community is full of self hating transmascs and there still being cis people yk) OR if you talk about such things as "every non-transmasc hates transmascs" / "trans men don't need trans women" (actual things I've seen in the tag) then I don't trust you and I never will

[tmasc-confessions]

im so fucking tired of existing as a trans person out in this world but when i seek out validation for my issues within the transmasc community online i still get the vibe that people think im too aggressive or outspoken or something. i am this way cos ive been denied my personhood my entire life. im so sad and so so tired.

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[nixisverytired]

Hello, here to remind people that this discourse is hurting nonbinary people as well, especially nonbinary transmascs.

Please include your nonbinary siblings in your advocacy, and don’t forget to uplift their voices as well. The assholes calling people “theyfabs” and denying the existence of transandrophobia aren’t just out to get trans men.

Half the posts I see are about "theyfab trender tme they/hes", they hate nonbinary people too.

Trans men are left out of the conversation far too often; please don't repeat the same mistake with a different group.

[intersexcat-tboy]

Usually I'll see stuff abt being seen as Not Man, but instead a fag. But then they'll turn around to trans men saying the same thing with "well GAY man is still MAN" while ignoring how they aren't treated as human period

i see trans women/fems talk extensively about how they have never had access to male privilege and i wonder why its so difficult for many to accept that trans men/mascs also never have access to male privilege

both of these things can and should coexist

[starryroe]

don't wanna talk about it this moment I might later but please if you believe that making up a term to mean "trans woman who is normal about trans men" would *actually* help anything at all and not simply make this into a discourse that has no sense to exist because trans women being normal about trans men are the norm

then please seriously reconsider.

like have we not learned anything from pro/anti discourse, where people now suddenly make themselves part of a "team" into something that does not have teams ("you should be allowed to write whatever you want without being harassed") and now everyone's like "ew everyone's a weirdo in here"

I'm genuinely really upset about this, because I had told this person not to do this, and also because it seems like many people on this website love discourse much more than they love actually having discussions about oppression.

[intersexcat-tboy]

A post I reblogged the day after it was made wasn’t "dead" until I reblogged it. Did you mean to respond to the reblog from a month ago? It was festering when that was posted, regardless of whether it was just over a month (not months) ago.

Edit: there is yet another misegendering reblog made after my count.

Is there an issue with queuing that I’m missing? As I clearly state in my bio, everything goes on it. I would appreciate it if you shed light on why the timing of my reblog matters.

This isn’t to say you haven’t clarified elsewhere—we all know tumblr's search is broken—but I can’t find it in the comments or reblogs here. However, what I can see is that you’ve made five posts using it—three regarding this thread, one directly saying "transandro truthers are straight up the same guys," and your first usage suggests that transandro functions as an entry-level form of TMRAism.

Fabrication is the intentional act of inventing, whereas I consider the conclusions I drew from available evidence to be inductive reasoning.

Describing this as fabrication misrepresents my approach by suggesting I’m distorting facts or inventing evidence, rather than analyzing what was said. I understand how my conclusions might be interpreted differently, but mine came from observable patterns in your statements.

If this is a fabrication, are you denying the statements about a trans woman who was "no better than the cis guys" who are attempted corrective coercive rapists? How would this be differentiated from jacketing? Can you see how equating a trans woman to cis men might be problematic and on par with misgendering, even if it’s not directly calling her a man?

The focus on your identity seems to have shifted attention away from fully addressing the criticisms. This can mislead others into interpreting it as unjust scrutiny or bigoted targeting, instead of a valid critique.

While it’s true that the post has over 1k reblogs, the sheer volume of notes doesn't capture the entire picture. Most of the notes are simply likes and reblogs, with only about 175 reblogs from others containing text or tags. Within those, it's about an 11:1 ratio for misgendering and 7:1 for promoting hate in general (including calls for death and suicide baiting). Given that this post is your second most popular, it stands out as needing more proactive engagement, especially since this is not something you regularly have to manage. Yet, it went unaddressed until someone else raised the issue.

My statement wasn't that you control others, caused their actions, nor being responsible for "every single reblog". It's about addressing a specific and notable pattern in the notes. When a post gains visibility—especially when it involves critical statements about marginalized individuals—it can influence how harmful narratives are spread. While you can't control what people say, you can clarify, edit, or restrict the content, influencing the narrative to reduce the risk of misinterpretations. While silence doesn’t directly create bigotry, it inadvertently enables it and allows it to spread.

It seems there may have been misinterpretations of my communication, including exaggerations, attempts to discredit my character, and a false dilemma framing it as either I have nothing better to do or that I’m fabricating and holding you responsible for thousands of notes, all of which could distract from my points.

While your concerns are noted, yes, I do have other priorities and don't choose to spend my time involving myself in the way you've suggested.

Occasionally, I engage in discussions, and when I do, I find it productive to address arguments thoughtfully and thoroughly. I spend only a small portion of it dismantling fallacies from those who criticize others for actions they're guilty of themselves.

it should go without saying that the statement "these women would be cured of their distrust of men if they just made out with us more" is violently misogynistic

and yet

[isdalinarhot]

have been thinking about adolin using neopronouns specifically to piss off sadeas all morning. do you think vae could get sadeas to call vaer a trender

[effervescent-fool]

am i the only one who just. doesnt know what tf tme/tma means

[be-listen-we-are-in-loud]

​have noticed this a lot and it’s very frustrating to see, especially since it’s HSN/severly disabled people who are least seen in an authentic way. (very old and pervasive stereotypes and prejudice often about HSN most and HSN voices not prioritized or platformed)

but there was and still is society idea that LSN not exist/valid and that was met with huge wave of LSN becoming more vocal in community and online spaces (good thing)

but then LSN community speak over HSN people and then LSN hold onto the hurt of society not recognize them and wrongly and unhelpfully turn that onto HSN/severely disabled people

then LSN not recognize any issues they contribute to toward/against HSN and just attribute being told by HSN that they did contribute in bad way as that/all HSN just be prejudiced toward LSN

then HSN and LSN distance between communities grows more and issues between grow bigger

I don’t know l, this is just what I’ve noticed as MSN and I don’t have mental energy to really articulate this idea but maybe make paper on this later

see, like, if you can’t read post from high support needs and/or severely disabled people talk about be terribly mistreated be victim of punch down diagonal ableism in community by lower support needs and/or milder disabled people, without hearing it as invalidation of LSN / mild disability or as “mild / LSN not deserve complain” or as “mild / LSN not actually disabled” or any evil evil severely disabled HSN bully, then that a you problem not HSN & severely disabled people problem

am shouldn’t have to end every single post centering own HSN severely disabled experience with “mild / LSN still struggle still disabled you valid🥺” or “shout out to mild/ LSN allies 🩷” like of course you are (n not like don’t make it explicit bc do. have several post on it) n of course appreciate but why everytime am talk about severe & HSN ppl you assume it attack on you

in fact my posts talking about how “am severely & HSN n let me use my experience say mild & LSN ppl still struggle still disabled,” less frequent but always explode in popularity, n consistently get more notes from usernames never seen before who never appear (n prob never will) on posts am center mod & severe & HrSN people

so yeah absolutely evil evil severely disabled HSN people invalidate n bully poor innocent mild & LSN people, whatever (sarcasm paragraph)

[am primarily autism blog but this post not just about autism]

[flipclock]

I loooove how my identity and experiences are constantly up for debate on here.

I loooove logging onto tumblr.com/dashboard and seeing discourse about if I get to exist or not