#intercommunity discourse

[nixisverytired]

Hello, here to remind people that this discourse is hurting nonbinary people as well, especially nonbinary transmascs.

Please include your nonbinary siblings in your advocacy, and don’t forget to uplift their voices as well. The assholes calling people “theyfabs” and denying the existence of transandrophobia aren’t just out to get trans men.

Half the posts I see are about "theyfab trender tme they/hes", they hate nonbinary people too.

Trans men are left out of the conversation far too often; please don't repeat the same mistake with a different group.

[intersexcat-tboy]

Quick, forget intersectionality!

I think not. I'm not going to just forget something a lot of people consider a world view shifter. What follows wasn't even a viable comparison anyways 😭

[wobble-bobble]

Newsflash, being "one of the good ones" is NOT possible. What you rlly said is: "we shouldn't support them because I believe there's a correct way to be queer" (incorrect buzzer)

If you make comments like that about other queer people-- YOU are an oppressor. I'll support your rights (they're also my rights!!!) infront of the greater oppressors, but the moment they're gone? You're part of the danger. Do you get that? You create fear in the community when you make comments like that, when you refuse to help your community, when you invite the abuser into our home.

You fundamentally, cannot, "be a good victim" to abusers. Nazi's will always just be nazi's. Joining up so they harm you last makes YOU a part of them problem. "I can't believe the jaguars ate me after I fed them people"

To be radically queer is to genuinely support all members of the community and recognize them. You cannot attempt to side with the oppressor in any way. If you want to disagree with me I'll change my pronouns to it/cats, wear a tail, and throw down with you in the street old skool 💞

[viciouslyrobotic]

Its not trans fems we need to be taking issue with, its patriarchy and polarizing ourselves only serves that. Trans radfeminism is already a polarized ideology and we do not need to feed into it to have our criticisms of those perpetuating transandrophobia.

Its also been primarily folk like fite-club (fellow trans mascs) going abt being egregiously transmisogynistic and transandrophobic, too, and it should NOT escape our purview that trans fems like starryjoy, velvetvexations and intersex trans fems like impunkster-syndrome have been called fakers or straight up cis/trans men pretending to be trans women for speaking up and supporting us including the trans fem HARASSED INTO SHOWING ID for fighting alongside us. Intersex folk in general have ALSO been getting thrown under the bus and ran over repeatedly by the discourse on all sides and we shouldn't be doing that!

It not only trans mascs that are continuously sticking up for us against trans radfeminism! And they are getting hurt with us because this ideology hurts ALL of us bc trans radfeminism relies on transmisogyny, exorsexism, intersexism and transandrophobia to sustain itself. Please don't lose sight of that.

Also fite-club if u see this purchase some glass cleaner or better yet a mirror bc not a single one of us is a reflection for you.

[tmasc-confessions]

The hatred of trans men being into kink pisses me off.

"Trans men can't be into being subs &/or pet play! It makes me dysphoric and uncomfortable!"

"Trans men can't be into being doms &/or forcemasc! It makes me uncomfortable!"

Who literally asked, God. It's called blocking and moving the FUCK on. Sometimes I like things in the bedroom one week and other things the next, should I have to cater to your fweewings? No, just block me and move on with your life.

This is super important!!! And also the last ask I will post on this specific subject for now because it’s a good final point to make and the topic is getting a little excessive!!

[parttimetomfooler]

hot take but you guys care too fucking much about how queer people look to non-queer people and it shows in the inter community discourse. like, the he/him lesbian thing (which was kind of terf-y im sorry im sorry im sorry) i felt was less about queer people being upset about the 'rules' of a label being defied and more about certain gay people being upset at how the defying of that label made the queer community look, because if labels aren't extremely strict that means there aren't rules, because the queer community's substitute for rules is labels, and if there aren't rules we aren't like the cis straights, and if we look to dissimilar from them and then we can't sit at their table for lunch! like whether you'd like to admit it or not cis straight people (regardless of 'ally status' because honestly I don't think any straight cis people are genuine allies to this community) are kind of the enemy when it comes to queer rights because there is no differentiation between the good cis straight people - the 'allies' - and the bad ones - the ones who actively campaign against us - because everyone has led them to believe the queer community is something we are not, so 'allies' allyship only extends so far (only extends to binary trans people, or people who 'pick a side' or normal trannies - did I say that? I meant trans people!). like you guys are watering the entire community down for the enemy!

[starryroe]

I'll be fully honest rn, sometimes I get kinda scared of pointing out transmisogynistic and/or exclusionary behavior within some accounts that post in the transandrophobia tag, but it is mostly because I am terrified of my posts about it going out of target audience and people telling me "see!!they're turning on you now!!!" when every single transmasc I've ever shown these things to has agreed that yeah, they look pretty bad

anyways if your focus on defeating transandrophobia is on how there's some really mean trans women and you only ever talk about that (when the transandrophobic Tumblr community is full of self hating transmascs and there still being cis people yk) OR if you talk about such things as "every non-transmasc hates transmascs" / "trans men don't need trans women" (actual things I've seen in the tag) then I don't trust you and I never will

[differentlylimbed]

mentioned hEDS in the tags of a personal vent post and apparently someone i have never interacted with made two vagueposts and blocked me lol? maybe examine why you feel so attacked by someone with a limb difference expressing frustration on their own blog at the way your condition predominates online spaces and resources - every time i've tried to start this discussion in a more constructive way i get shut down so fast by the hEDS girlies (actually a one-off poor word choice in my tags, but i'm gonna keep saying that now since it makes ppl mad) that they don't even hear me out long enough to find out i literally also have hEDS

[adhbabey]

i forgot to do this during pride month bc like. adhd and pathological demand avoidance autism, but like.... can we just be accepting of like sapphic people, regardless of whether or not they like men or have complicated gender identities.

And can we also not be weird about multi spectrum sexuality people too. Like... I don't want to go in the bi community and find weirdos who are like "being pan is just [reductive statement here], so bi is inherently superior and better". Like I identify as bisexual panromantic and I think it's weird to reduce either identity down into definitions. Like you both are valid, now leave each other alone. Plus there's other multi-spec identities, so you're going to have to get along and share the space.

Also just..... sapphic people can be multiple genders and they can like multiple genders of people, but they're usually happy with fem-aligned people to date with. And can that be something people bond over and are happy about, without pushing people out of those communities? Queerness in general is a large spectrum of people, of course that one label is going to have an umbrella of a bunch of people. It's normal, please get over it. You don't have to have the same EXACT experiences, you can still bond.

Thank you. Respect queer people, regardless of what their personal experience is.

[tmasc-confessions]

im so fucking tired of existing as a trans person out in this world but when i seek out validation for my issues within the transmasc community online i still get the vibe that people think im too aggressive or outspoken or something. i am this way cos ive been denied my personhood my entire life. im so sad and so so tired.

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[starryroe]

don't wanna talk about it this moment I might later but please if you believe that making up a term to mean "trans woman who is normal about trans men" would *actually* help anything at all and not simply make this into a discourse that has no sense to exist because trans women being normal about trans men are the norm

then please seriously reconsider.

like have we not learned anything from pro/anti discourse, where people now suddenly make themselves part of a "team" into something that does not have teams ("you should be allowed to write whatever you want without being harassed") and now everyone's like "ew everyone's a weirdo in here"

I'm genuinely really upset about this, because I had told this person not to do this, and also because it seems like many people on this website love discourse much more than they love actually having discussions about oppression.

[intersexcat-tboy]

Usually I'll see stuff abt being seen as Not Man, but instead a fag. But then they'll turn around to trans men saying the same thing with "well GAY man is still MAN" while ignoring how they aren't treated as human period

i see trans women/fems talk extensively about how they have never had access to male privilege and i wonder why its so difficult for many to accept that trans men/mascs also never have access to male privilege

both of these things can and should coexist

[isdalinarhot]

have been thinking about adolin using neopronouns specifically to piss off sadeas all morning. do you think vae could get sadeas to call vaer a trender

[effervescent-fool]

am i the only one who just. doesnt know what tf tme/tma means

[differentlylimbed]

this - judging by how y'all treat me in real life, i'm less inclined to believe your stories of constant violent ableism from non-ambulatory wheelchair users online

so many times ambulatory disabled people say shit like “I’m being invalidated and excluded and fake claimed by ppl in wheelchairs” when in reality the wheelchair user just didn’t smile at them or greet them or offer them their spot on the bus. I almost never trust yalls “wheelchair users are bullying me every time I leave my house” bullshit short stories on here because it’s almost always self-flagellating bullshit you imagined about some innocent cripple who wasn’t even looking at you and doesn’t give a shit about you