#Tony stark cameo

[winteriron-trash]

rdj the (whitewashed) electric boogaloo

This is a reminder to everyone who's excited about RDJ's casting as Doctor Doom that this casting is whitewashing. Victor Von Doom is a Romani character and has been a Romani character since his introduction in the 1960s. (Fantastic Four Annual #2 [1964]) Not only that, but his Roma identity and the persecution he and his family faced due to it is integral to his character, it is what forms his identity. (Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker) Even if on the off chance this casting is meant to not be Victor but instead be some variant of Tony or whomever else becoming Doctor Doom, it is damaging to the character to rob him of that important cultural background. Doctor Doom does not exist without that history. Fans have been pushing hard to cast Doom as a Romani actor for years, especially since the MCU has whitewashed other Romani characters. (Wanda, Pietro, etc) This casting is not a celebration moment, it's fucking heartbreaking that the MCU repeatedly ignores the important and nuanced cultural backstories of characters.

I know I can't change anybody's mind on whether or not you want to be excited about RDJ's return to the MCU. But I do think at the very least you should be mad that the MCU is baiting us all and destroying nuanced and interesting characters for the sake of self-referential easter eggs and nostalgia bait. Because that's what it is. Feel how you'd like to feel about RDJ's return, but personally, this is soul-sucking. I had such a deep love for the MCU as a teenager, it was obviously something incredibly formative to me, especially Tony Stark. This isn't recreating what I fell in love with the MCU for. This is turning a well-planned and artistic storyline of adaptations into cheap cash grabs and fan service. Because, I think we're past the point of being able to call the MCU an adaptation of anything. They can use existing characters' names and powers, but to say they're being properly adapted is laughable.

This is not an adaptation of Doctor Doom. This is RDJ the Electric Boogaloo because Marvel's fear of losing the interest of dedicated MCU fans overrides their willingness to tell stories that are genuine to the characters. I don't know what there is to be excited about that. The MCU has lost its authenticity and aside from a few projects, feels heartless. Every movie is a copy of a copy. This announcement isn't something celebratory, it feels like a death knell of a cinematic universe that's so desperate to cling to relevancy it's resorting to nostalgia for a character/actor who hasn't even been dead for a decade. We're not getting anything new, we're just rinsing and repeating the same song and dance.

I get it. I love Tony Stark, his death destroyed me and I to this day, rue the ending he got in Endgame. It misunderstood his arc and it robbed him of a satisfying conclusion. But the solution to that isn't dragging the corpse out of the grave five years later to whitewash an existing character with rich and interesting nuance, just to forcibly tie his existence in the MCU to Tony. Whether he is a variant or not. Why would you want someone else's fave's legacy to be destroyed simply so your fave's legacy can go on? Hell, if we were really all so hellbent on the return of RDJ and/or Tony to the MCU, we have the multiverse for a reason. There were other ways to do it that didn't whitewash and ruin someone else. This just. Isn't something to be happy about.

[age-of-moonknight]

What If…? Dark: Moon Knight (Vol. 1/2023), #1.

Writer: Erica Schultz; Penciler and Inker: Edgar Salazar; Colorist: Arif Prianto; Letterer: Cory Petit

[moralesmilesanhour]

THEY KEEP GIVING HIM NEW SUITS THAT SUCK

[oluka]

Even when broke and living in an old depot, Tony still has the time to help Betsy Braddock out and fence with her. Also, he's really upbeat for someone whose life is in shambles. I'll interpret this as him putting up a front and ignoring his own problems to help others. I also like that Captain Britain went specifically to him to ask for Avengers help :D

Betsy Braddock: Captain Britain #4

[agentxthirteen]

can’t kill you, can’t die in your arms

The Soldier's mission is interrupted by Captain America, a man her handlers want her to avoid. But then he calls her Sharon, and nothing will be the same.

[whumper-at-heart]

You cant believe how much hyped up i am rn.

Ever since i saw the flashbacks to tony and steve , and those endgame scenes.

AHHHHHHHH

Been waiting 5 fucking years .

I screamed for like 15 mins after seeing the first 6 seconds. Talk abt fangurling.

[hellomystraightlacedfriend]

Writer: James Robinson

Penciller: Marcio Takara

Armor Wars #4

[shironezuninja]

Lethargy sets in when I have to do something that requires boring paperwork. The annual routine just happens to be a month later this year, and I’m feeling contentious as Hell.

[kingoftieland]

 A cameo everyone definitely missed! 🎸

[halfpintkay]

You know I have to wonder what Mutliverse of Madness and No Way Home would be like if they came out as the originally intended. Like how Multiverse of Madness was supposed to be first, which means Doctor Strange would have known about incursions which would explain his  urgency of getting the mutliverse trespassers back to where they belong.  Not that I think it’s terrible they came out in reverse order just might explain some of Doctor Strange’s attitude in No Way Home better.....although dealing with three teens could also be part of his attitude...imagine if he had to deal with all three Peters at the same time. 

[mostly-marvel-musings]

hii. could you possibly write some headcanons or a drabble (whatever you prefer or think fits best here really) about boyfriend young!Tony taking care of his gf on her period (maybe his first time doing that? 🤧) - like, just him being a dumb but helpful cuddle bug. Maria cameo maybe?! 👀 all up to ya. thank you!

Care bear

Pairing: Tony Stark x Reader

Warning: fluff.

.

“Is it warm enough for you? I can reheat it if you want—” you held your hand up before your boyfriend could go on, letting your eyes close for a moment as you placed the hot water bag against your tummy.

“It’s perfect, Tony.”

He nodded, still hovering around the bed trying to figure if you were truly comfortable or were lying just to suppress the pain like you’d grown up doing. And he had outdone himself already; your favourite flowers against the nightstand, a quick shower to help you clean up, chocolates.

Unbeknownst to you, he had texted Maria to get all the information he could along with her famous pasta to make you feel better. She was already on her way, with her heart full of love. She knew she had raised a good son, he was thoughtful, loving and generous, and you had been the perfect addition to the family.

Tony saw you shift and groan and immediately sat up by your side, ready to get you anything you wished.

“Tell me what you want, you stay put. I’ll go get it.”

“Can I just really have my cuddles now?” You sighed dramatically, feeling the pain alleviate already. Period cramps were the worst on the second day for you.

“Yes ma’am.” He began pulling the sheets back to slide in next to you but you stopped him.

“Not you! My stuffed bear. Cuddles.”

He paused for a moment, looking between you and the toy that lay on the dresser opposite the bed, contemplating your mood, still a bit unsure. You could be serious.

“Oh—okay.” He didn’t bother hiding the dejection in his voice, making you feel guilty instantly.

“Come here, you! You’re my only care bear.”

Yeah. I’m PMSing hard ladies. I needed this 🥹

[artist-issues]

Why is everyone so excited about RDJ playing Doom?

I've never seen anything more sad and pathetic from this studio in my life.

I mean, not RDJ himself—he'll do a good job, he's RDJ. But come on. Come on. You don't pull out the iconic actor who made your studio by playing its iconic main superhero...and just slap a new and slightly obscure villain character on him. Who does that?

Like. 1) nobody is going to fully believe that performance, because there's no way RDJ can "disappear into the role" in THIS studio because of his PREVIOUS role, no matter how good an actor he is. 2) Everybody who was won over by his cameo is therefore watching it because they're excited to see RDJ, and how long can the studio keep him, and that piece of the audience, around this time? 3) The only way this would've been a good move is if he were still playing Tony Stark, somehow. Bringing him back to play an entirely different character, and one who would probably be, on paper, as compelling as the purple-eyed villain from the first Doctor Strange movie, is like offering a kid ice cream and then giving them a cup of milk.

This is the saddest, most immature little attention-grab death-rattle I've ever seen. I thought the part where Multiverse of Madness threw all those cameos in with no depth of drama or weight was bad. This is ridiculous.

[itsagentromanoff]

Robert Downey Jr. turned down a "Deadpool & Wolverine" cameo. The film's writers also came up with one idea to bring back the six original Avengers and have Deadpool roast them.

"Wade was rejected [from the Avengers] and then he dressed all the Avengers down in a way only Deadpool could do.” [X]

“Deadpool & Wolverine” co-writers Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick revealed in an interview with IndieWire that Robert Downey Jr. was courted to reprise Tony Stark/Iron Man for a cameo appearance in Marvel’s latest record-breaking blockbuster. Downey turned the offer down, which now makes sense to the writers as he’s returning to Marvel in a larger and shockingly different capacity as Doctor Doom.

“We wrote scenes, and Downey read the scenes, but what we didn’t know behind the scenes was this Doctor Doom thing.”

[ao3sbatfamily]

I'm searching for a fanfiction I read years ago: Iron Man Jason Todd fic where Jason gets hired as a bodyguard for Tony Stark's daughter. I remember the author did a lot of Marvel DC crossover. I cannot remember if there's a romance arc or not, but I do remember a lot of the other Avengers are there, and Dick Grayson shows up at one point to Jason's irritation along with various other cameos by the bat fam.

'Give Thanks to Broken Bones' by thepartyresponsible

Author: @thepartyresponsible

[csolarstorm]

Oh Marvel, what have you done.

Marvel blinked. The audience looked them in the eye, and they blinked. This tells viewers that their accusations are true, that they can't make good movies without Tony Stark, that Marvel relies too much on cameos. They rely so much on cameos that they're going to replace the main villain with one.

And also that the MCU can't get their story together.

Because the concept of RDJ Doom depends on the dramatic weight of seeing Tony Stark's face on Victor Von Doom. You know, I bet he'll play the part wonderfully. But even if they manage to establish a compelling rivalry between this Doom and Reed Richards - you know, Mr. Fantastic, the nemesis of Dr. Doom -

We'll all be distracted by Tony Stark's face!

I admit. They have something if they manage to establish a strong science buddy dynamic between Reed Richards and RDJ Doom at the beginning of Fantastic Four. It could give us a good backstory for Reed and Doom's relationship while vicariously giving fans their scene of the Scientist Supreme working with Tony Stark.

The problem is, RDJ's Doom has no long term potential in the MCU. The gimmick will wear thin, RDJ will get expensive. They'll likely retire this version of Dr. Doom after Secret Wars - probably before Fantastic Four even completes its trilogy. And then any other versions of Dr. Doom are going to be in RDJ's shadow.

Dr. Doom will share his legacy with Iron Man when he should have had his own.

This tells audiences that Marvel is prioritizing the past instead of developing the characters that will drive the franchise going forward. Which is exactly what Feige said they were trying to avoid at the beginning of Phase Four.

But you know what the worst message is that this gives audiences? It tells audiences that maybe woman and people of color can't hold up the MCU on their own yet. That maybe Phase Four's goal of building the future on a diverse cast didn't work out, and they need their important, authoritative white guy back. They need their iron man.

Also it proves Joe Rogan right, so screw you Marvel. You and Joe Rogan.

[pretty-little-howtown]

What the casting of Dr Doom has made me realise about 'Deadpool and Wolverine'

Since I first watched 'Deadpool and Wolverine' I have not stopped thinking about the movie. It's hard not to with opinion pieces everywhere; the creators I watch on YouTube making videos about it; and my friends slowly one by one taking to the cinemas to see it. I really enjoyed it. However, over the past couple weeks, I have been doubting its narrative quality. This has in turn led to some pretty disorganised thoughts about the nature of the Marvel movies as well as any comic book or media adaptations. First I will begin by outlining my thoughts on the casting of Dr Doom. Then I will explain how the casting of Dr Doom affected my view of 'Deadpool and Wolverine.' Finally, I'll outline my very disorganised thoughts about the precedent it sets for Marvel movies.

I am one of the people very unhappy about RDJ (Robert Downey Jr.) playing Dr Doom. Originally this is because I believed Marvel would need some way of explaining why Tony Stark and Dr Doom look the same. I thought to do this Marvel would do the same character fuckery they did with Task Master. Then I forgot about the whole ordeal for a while. I mean I don't work at Marvel, it's not like I'm gonna be able to change it.

Having forgotten all about the announcement I was sent a Tumblr post, surprise surprise, by a friend on the topic. The post outlined how RDJ isn't the type of actor to be able to pull off the highs and lows of Dr Doom. Meaning that, in the comics, the character flips between calling himself a God with the utmost gravity and then being a complete and utter fool. Which I do agree with. So much so, that I created a list of actors I think would be better suited to play Dr Doom. But again, I don't work at Marvel. I can't change the casting. So, I forgot about it for a while once again.

Yet the cycle continues. I watched a YouTube video outlining all the easter eggs and references littered throughout the 'Deadpool and Wolverine' movie. One 'easter egg' in particular caught my attention. Chris Evans reprising his old role of Johnny Storm. In the video, the creator speculated this was a deliberate decision on the part of Marvel beyond it being a fun cameo celebrating the Foxverse (20th Century Fox Universe). They speculate Evan's Johnny Storm was deliberately cast to show that different characters can be played by the same actors. In the context of the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe), different people can look the same. In short, Tony Stark can look like Dr Doom, and Dr Doom can look like Tony Stark.

This should have calmed my original dislike of the casting. It's a simple and easy way to explain why in the Marvel film universe Tony Stark and Dr Doom look the same. Unfortunately, it didn't. This seemed inconceivable to me from an in-universe standpoint. Captain America died in the prime timeline. Johnny Storm was purged and left in the void. To me, this means Johnny Storm was not meant to be in the prime timeline and his existence there was a threat. Meta textually this, to me, would mean the same actor cannot play multiple characters within the MCU. However, I must note, there is no evidence the Johnny Storm we see is from the prime timeline. Despite this, I believe my point still stands, as the cast of the new Fantastic Four movies announced Johnny Storm will be played by Joseph Quinn. At this point in time we have no reason to say this movie won't take place in the prime timeline. As such, a more specific precedent is set by Marvel. One in which, characters can be played by the same actors in the MCU but they cannot be played by the same actors in the same timeline. In short Captain America and Johnny Storm can't look alike in the prime timeline so neither can Tony Stark and Dr Doom. The cycle repeats. I forget about the casting of RDJ as Dr Doom. I forget the possible intentionality with which Chris Evans was asked to reprise his role as Jonny Storm. I go about my daily life.

Until I watch another YouTube video. This one about the concept of Anchor Beings. The creator outlines their worries that anchor beings serve to shrink the multiverse Marvel has created instead of widening it. It goes on to mention disagreement about whether the idea of anchor beings is truly another multiversal concept introduced into the Marvel playbook or a metatextual reflection of the importance of Hugh Jackman and Wolverine to the Fox-men (20th Century Fox's X-Men) franchise. The creator settles on the two ideas being the same as a result of the reveal of RDJ as Dr Doom and the rumours of 'Avengers 5' having an anti-Kang anchor being squad. Those point to the concept of anchor beings sticking around as well as showing how integral RDJ is to the MCU.

Finally, the cycle ends. This time I wasn't able to let my thoughts go. Instead, I came to a conclusion I didn't want to come to. Narratively, 'Deadpool and Wolverine' probably isn't that good of a movie. Don't get me wrong I loved it. I watched the X-Men movies as a kid and loved them. I still love them, and this movie was the perfect Foxverse send-off. But that's the issue. The movie's value comes from the metatextual narrative woven into it. Every character in the Void is from the Foxverse. As far as I can tell, the characters are mostly from movies that have either been forgotten from the 20th Century Fox catalogue. A lot more have been from movies that were considered flops, or characters that were horrifically conceived. Juggernaut comes to mind. Wolverine is burnt out and useless, a mata[hor for the current state of the Fox. Deadpool is alive because since Logan he's been Fox's most bankable property, but he's not content because the Wolverine from the previous movies was the lynchpin of the franchise.

That's where Wolverine being an anchor being comes in. Hugh Jackman's bankablility as Wolverine cannot be denied and the X-Men movies made it clear that their protagonist is Wolverine. Metatextually, this can be seen from the generally bad reception of X-Men movies that did not have him as the protagonist. Of course, with the exception of First Class Last Stand and Origins Wolverine. X-Men follows Logan being introduced to the X-Men as well as taking care of Rouge. X2 focuses much more on Loagn's backstory. I would argue he's still the protagonist in Days of Future Past, not just because he is the one sent back in time but because he is the one who ultimately brings Charles and Erik together. This movie cemented Logan as the emotional anchor of the X-Men movies.

Now where does this leave us in terms of future movies? Well, I have to agree the idea of anchor beings does seem to have been created to allow for more stories with a select few favourites. However, it also sets a dangerous precedent that nostalgia can make for a 'good' movie, you just have to do it right. Many people complained about 'Rise of Skywalker' for leaning too much into nostalgia and dropping it into the movie at random. Scenes seemed to be written around easter eggs and not the other way around. Disney hadn't figured out the formula then, but by 'No Way Home' they had. The easter eggs had become part of the plot. If 'Deadpool and Wolverine' was a send-off to the Foxverse, then 'No Way Home' was the first send-off, this one to the Spider-Man IP. Both came after long and arduous legal battles over the IP. 'No Way Home' began with another uneasy marriage between Sony and Disney where 'No Way Home' could have conceivably been the last MCU Spider-Man movie. 'Deadpool and Wolverine' was the result of Disney taking custody of 20th Century Fox.

'Deadpool and Wolverine' is full of ester eggs and references that are woven into the story. A story that centres the character of Wolverine and makes him a metaphor for the Foxverse. As such the metatextual narrative of the movie cannot be removed from the film. It's hard at times to separate this movie from its context. It was conceived as a celebration of an era that will never come again. Now that Disney has cracked the code, I worry that these sorts of metatextual narratives will be used more liberally, stifling creativity and expansion. I worry this will also set a precedent that you need to do your homework before you go into a Marvel movie. Something that isn't an issue for fans more so casual viewers. A while back a friend said they really enjoyed the movie but didn't understand part because they hadn't watched 'Loki.' I'm sure this isn't an uncommon sentiment and it demonstrates something an admittedly vocal minority have been complaining about. Noel Carroll, in his paper 'Power of Movies,' argues that the reason films are quickly overtaking traditional art and literature as our society's dominant art form is because of their low barrier to entry. by that, he means, it's a lot easier to learn to understand pictures than it is words. It's also a lot quicker. I think an overreliance on nostalgia and overuse of established media (TV shows like 'Loki,' or Agents of S.H.E.I.L.D') will make that barrier of entry higher but instead of encouraging people to dive in and explore they might just steer them away.

Thank you for making it through this whole post. I have linked all the posts and videos in the appropriate places above but I will link them all in an easier-to-view list here as well.

RDJ as Dr Doom Tumblr Post

'I Watched Deadpool & Wolverine in 0.25x Speed and Here's What I Found' -The Cadaidian Lad

'Anchor Being's Suck' - Pillar of Garbage

'Power of Movies' - Noel Caroll

This was a sort of half-essay. I mostly wanted to get some of my thoughts down in some form or another. I would like to stress these are just my opinions, you do not have to agree with them. Furthermore, I enjoyed every movie I mentioned above (except 'Rise of Skywalker'). This post isn't meant to make you hate any of the movies mentioned, nor am I making a concrete judgment as to the quality of any of these movies. You're free to have your own opinions and free to watch and like whatever you want. As I said these are just my opinions and who knows they might change in a couple of years.