#house systems

[etherealfishyfeelings]

Whole Sign vs Placidus

Disclaimer: this is my own personal experience with these house systems. And its kinda weirdly worded lol. My blog, my rules. Neptune = Bamboozlement. Fight me. This is a rant.

ya know, the way that I've come to reconcile Placidus and Whole Sign house systems is that I feel that Placidus is where I am psychologically but Whole Sign is just the reality of my life. I think noticed this really strongly in my Neptune placement, my Neptune is literally in the middle of nowhere in terms of aspects, it makes no major aspects to my personal planets really.

In Placidus it sits in my 10th house and I personally felt like my career was a bit of a conundrum for a very long time but in actuality I never really experienced any bamboozlement in terms of my public image and career. I think a lot of the confusion was normal(it felt enormous though)? Like just a normal amount of confusion at what I wanted to do with my life, always landed up in more venusian positions(handling people, design and artistic themes, somehow always moved to handle conflict) even when I did not want to be there(venus in the 10th conjunct mc in Whole sign, in placidus its in the 9th, like literally 1 degree away from the cusp, and i really romanticised higher education before I realized I hated structured education, but I think I will always romanticise intellectual topics and notions. My agnostic ass loves me some religious art even if I think that most religions are full of shit).

However, in Whole Sign my Neptune is in my 11th and that is genuinely the only part of my life where I experience frequent and consistent bamboozlement and it took me A VERY LONG TIME before I noticed. Like i literally only noticed it like 2 years ago. Every time I join any type of large friendship circle or any kind of network I always tend to see it through the rosiest of rose-coloured glasses and I am always left completely gutted and shocked when the truth comes out but FR, like if I'm being honest with myself, the signs were there the whole time and I often became really angry with anyone who questioned anything about these friend groups while I was in the thick of it.

[sensualnoiree]

hi~ may i know what house system you use? ^^ i also wanna ask, what do you think and believe is more accurate, placidus or whole sign system? thank u in advance 🌹

hey hey!

i use whole sign houses because it makes more sense to me as a traditional hellenistic astrologer and for that reason it is more accurate TO ME. but being self taught starting off, i did learn placidus. the whole sign house system however is closely aligned with the techniques and principles of traditional astrology, which is based on the teachings of ancient astrologers like ptolemy, ancient stuff. but as with so many other things in life, there are many teachers and ways to get to the same truth. so I say use what works best for your own comprehension and leave the rest.

the understanding with the whole sign house system is based on the idea that each sign has a distinct energetic quality, and this quality is expressed through the entirety of the house that the sign rules. by using whole sign houses, astrologers can more accurately assess the energetic dynamics of a chart.

overall making it easier to apply to any chart, regardless of the location or time of birth. this makes it a practical choice for astrologers who work with clients from diverse backgrounds i have personally found.

[lilithgreye]

Hiiiii I hope that you’re okay I have a silly question do you think it’s better to use whole house system to find your house rulers ?

I think both placidus and whs system have accuracy honestly

[sun-pluto]

Do you follow vedic or tropical astrology? Whole house or placidus? - And why do you follow this housing system?

I follow both! I studied both since the start, but I was mostly interested in mastering Tropical astrology first since it didn’t involve mythology and religion-based context. But I’ve always read Vedic as well, and honestly I’m starting to think it’s really one of the most accurate systems out there when you take into account the numerous charts they have, the nakshatras and padas, and all the little details. I honestly love it 🥺

For Tropical I follow Placidus but sometimes I either make it Whole or Equal house system to keep things spicy 🌶️ I study the charts of my friends so when I’m curious I like to change things up and see things from a different angle. And for Vedic I always use the Whole sign system since it’s always been used that way. I also think it works best that way because there are loops and troubleshooting things you can do that make up for it to be more precise in its predictions.

My reason for Tropical astrology and using the Placidus house system is honestly because I think it makes the chart really individualised to the person. Yes, Whole sign systems will give you general accurate predictions and maybe even long term predictions, but Placidus gets you straight into the general psychology of the person, and with aspects it makes things make more sense. In the short term at least, it gives me a good idea of who you present yourself to be and how you generally move through life.

Anyway I’ll stop here because I get excited about these things lol but if you have further questions don’t be afraid to ask!!!

[moontrinemars]

Types of House Systems Explained

Written for self-reference and posted for those trying to learn and practice astrology seriously. Refer to my blog bio for more.

Introduction

The houses are one of the most important concepts in astrology. They represent major themes and areas of your life, the world you inhabit, and your character, and understanding them is crucial to accurate natal interpretations. They are determined by the native's birth time and location, but also by the house system used.

This post is to help you understand what a house system is, and the most important differences between them. A follow-up post explaining my personal takes on when and how to use them is on the way. This one is solely for technical reference.

You'll notice below that the introduction includes a list of essential vocabulary. This is for reference. It is not necessary for seasoned astrologers to read. Feel free to skip ahead to the guide itself.

Newcomer's Glossary of Terms

The houses are a section of the natal chart in which objects and signs may fall. They are madly dividing the chart into twelve, and are named for their numerical order. So, the first house precedes the second house, the second house precedes the third house, etc.

A placement is a position in the chart. These positions are marked by degrees. There are 360º comprising the entire chart, obviously, but a placement is more often referred to by the degree out of 30º they occupy in the relevant zodiac sign. Placement may also refer more generally to the house or sign a specific position lands in.

Objects are any planets, non-planets such as asteroids and stars, or hypothetical planets which have placements. One may also use astronomical or other mathematical equations to determine significant positions of the chart. Such non-object placements are referred to as points.

Cusps are a type of point that marks the border between two houses. One house's territory begins with that house's cusp, and ends with that of the next house. So, the 1st house cusp marks the 1st house's beginning, but it also marks the 12th house's end. The 12th house cusp marks the 12th house's beginning but also the 11th house's end, and the 11th house cusp marks the 11th house's beginning and the 10th house's end, and so on, and so on.

The angles are the four most important cusps or points of a chart. They are generally found by referencing natal time and place. The four angles include the Ascendant (also referred to as the Rising), the Descendant, the Medium Coeli (also referred to as the Midheaven), and the Imum Coeli.

The Ascendant generally cusps or determines the sign of the first house. The Descendant is the angle opposite the Ascendant. It cusps or determines the sign of the seventh house. The Medium Coeli is the highest point of the chart. It either cusps the tenth house or, to my knowledge, exists somewhere between the 9th, 10th, and 11th house. The Imum Coeli is the angle standing opposite the Medium Coeli. It either cusps the fourth house or exists somewhere between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th house.

The Types of House Systems

There are three major types of house systems: temporal, spacial and ecliptic. The difference between them is in how they are calculated as well as the type of system it produces.

To call a system temporal means that it refers to the movement of celestial objects to determine house cusps.

To call it spacial means that the system refers to location in physical space to determine house cusps.

To call a system ecliptic means the houses are assigned equal divisions of 30º, with the Ascendant or Midheaven sometimes determining cusps, otherwise determining the houses' signs.

Temporal Systems

Placidus is the most popular temporal system. It is also the most commonly used system in Western astrology. It is a temporal and quadrant system. Quadrant systems prioritize calculating the angles, and calculate other cusps in relation to them.

Placidus is based on the arcs of heavenly objects. Basically: all objects have a set arc they travel through space. We divide that arc into twelve parts, making two halves of six parts each. The half exposed in the day is called the diurnal arc, and the half exposed at night is called the nocturnal arc.

The point between the two halves is represented by the Ascendant. (Hence the other name, the Rising, as this is the point from which objects rise out of the nocturnal arc and into the diurnal arc.) From this, the other four points can be calculated, such as the Descendant, which marks where objects transition from day to night, and the Midheaven, the highest point of the day's arc.

The Koch system is probably the second most popular temporal system, and is a relatively popular system for Western astrologers overall. It is also both a temporal and quadrant system.

The difference between Koch and Placidus is that while Placidus prioritizes calculating the Ascendant axis, Koch prioritizes calculating the Midheaven.

Spacial Systems

Campanus is the most popular spacial house system, and the only one I've personally seen used with any regularity. It is a spacial and quadrant system that references the birth location.

Campanus is similar to the previous systems in that it does rely on creating day and night halves of six parts each. However, rather than referencing the projected arc of objects, this system is created by dividing the celestial space itself.

The horizons divide the two halves, represented by the Ascendant, the western horizon where the sun rises, and the Descendant, the eastern horizon where it sets. The zenith, or the midpoint point of the sky during the day, Is marked by the Medium Coeli, and the nadir, or midpoint of the night sky, by the Imum Coeli.

Regiomantus is an alternative spacial and quadrant system that references the equator rather than the birth location.

Meridian System

At the start, I specified three major types of systems. This is true, but not the whole truth.

The Meridian system is calculated using both space and time, so technically, it counts as a spacial and temporal system. It is also a quadrant system, like those mentioned prior.

The Meridian system divides the celestial space into the halves of six, just like the spacial Campanus system, but the axis of this division is aligned to the celestial poles rather than on the horizon.

Ecliptic Systems

The Equal Sign system and the Whole Sign system are the two most popular ecliptic systems.

The Whole Sign system is the one I've see most used in Vedic. It assigns each house a 30º space which aligns with the occupied sign. Hence, a Taurus-ruled 1st house would have its cusp at 0º Taurus, regardless of the specific degree of the Ascendant.

The Equal Sign system begins by assigning a 30º space to the 1st house, starting with the Ascendant as its cusp, then assigns each preceding house a space of equal degrees. So, if the Ascendant is in 19º Taurus, the 2nd house cusp will be at 19º Gemini, the 3rd house cusp at 19º Cancer, and so on.

An alternative variation on the Equal Sign system is used by some, which prioritizes the Midheaven as the inciting cusp. This can result in Ascendants that do not land in the 1st house. So, say the native with a 19º Taurus Ascendant has their Midheaven at 7º Pisces. Using the Equal Sign MC system, the 10th house starts at 7º Pisces, the 11th starts at 7º Aries, the 12th at 7º Taurus, and the 1st at 7º Gemini, resulting in a 12th house placement for the Ascendant.

Of course, using the normal Equal Sign system on a chart with these placements would result in an 11th house Midheaven. This is the trade off of using an ecliptic system. It may seem strange or counterintuitive to quadrant system users, but it also opens up new avenues for placement interpretation.

Conclusion

Hoping this serves as a helpful reference. I will add a link to a second part containing an explanation of my own interpretations and suggestions for using each house system later. Thanks for reading, feel free to message, reply, and ask ♡♡♡♡

[phoebosacerales]

BTW i just spent 4 hours comparing charts between various house system and the results are inconclusive 🥺 if i may ask one last question whats your opinion on whole house and what system do you use haha

I use whole sign houses because it gives me less headaches, and because I still consider myself a beginner and it's easier, because I havent had much practice with reading for other people, I just study a lot. But I like Alcabitius as well. I watched Luis Ribeiro's classes on the reasoning and the methods of calculation for the quadrant houses and Alcabitius is simply the one which I like the best. Quadrant houses are more realistic in the way they represent the visible sky and this has always been a very important thing to consider. The signification given to everything in astrology has always been derived from how things actually look like. I always recomend learning astrology while looking at the sky. Stellarium is a good app to have as an astrologer. But Whole signs is still something you have to keep in mind even when you read using other systems. I use rulership of houses only by whole signs for example, and then the MC and IC are things of their own and they also indicate the angularity and strength of the planets. If I use Alcabitius and I see that someone has a planet on the 3rd sign from the asc but it's in the 2nd house, I would read it differently. I'd say that somehow in some small way that planet has some part in that person's finances as well, but especially I'd say that planet isn't really cadent or weak just because it's in the 3rd sign.

If you want to use whole signs, just stick with it for a while. If you want to use quadrant houses but doesnt know which one to use, just pick one and stick with it, maybe choose the one with a name you think sounds best, whatever. But stick with one and don't worry too much to find out which one is 'right', or you'll be having to many headaches. Sometimes If I'm studying a technique by an astrologer who used Porphyry then I use Porpyrhy, I just trust it and go. Some things in divination just have to be trusted. Astrology is very mercurial and makes us think too much, but if you don't know when to just trust things and not analyze all the time, you'll go nowhere.

[seafoamreadings]

do u use whole sign or placidus? do u use different house systems for different things? any thoughts etc?

I use whole sign most of the time but I like placidus for things like synastry :)

great question~

i use placidus nearly always for nearly everything. it is what i learned first, but also in my personal experience seems to work best. truth be told i have absolutely NO idea why it should be best - i would expect, more logically, for whole signs or equal houses to work best. and they do work fine usually, but not QUITE as nicely as placidus (for me).

but when i write horoscopes here on this blog, since i don't have anyone's personal info there, i do use whole signs. (paid readings get placidus unless otherwise requested.)

i have heard that koch is good for horary but still i have best experience with placidus, personally.

[libralight]

New House System, Who dis?

I've been experimenting with different House systems and I've moved away from time-based systems to space-based systems (I'll do a post explaining both!). Experimenting with the different House systems has been really eye-opening. Especially for exposing the weakness of the Placidus system. I'll be posting my own personal chart in the new House system that I've been experimenting with. It's been really fun to tinker around with when I'm needing a break from studying for midterms, finals, and finishing papers. I'm excited to share it with all of you :)

[ariesjupiter]

Hello !

As a Capricorn rising, I have my ♐️ Pluto in the 11th house. Isn’t it supposed to be in my 12th house ? Because I have Sagittarius in the 12th house. Thanks ☺️

Hello 😊

In a Whole Sign Chart system, yes that would be the case. However, in the Placidus House system, for example, the signs don’t line up so neatly with the houses. Check what degree your Pluto is in and what degree your 12th house starts.

For example, I have Sagittarius Pluto in the 9th house. But Sagittarius is in my 10th house. However, my 10th house starts at 20° and my Pluto is at 10°, hence why it’s in the 9th but still in Sagittarius.

I’m not well-versed in the differences between house systems and what they all mean but I hope this helped a bit!

[nipuni]

THE DOCTOR We had a pact, him and me. Every star in the universe, we were going to see them all.

My version of The Master and The Doctor in their Academy days 😊

A speedpaint video of this will be available at my Patreon on april 1st!

[rrogueamendiares]

what do you mean it didn't go like this

[thirstywaffles]

When your crush finally loves you back

[ID: Scum Villain fanart of Luo Binghe. He's standing with his arms spread slightly at his sides, palms up. He's smirking and his eyes glint red. There's a large caption across his body that says "i am no longer mentally ill". /end ID]

[girlypopastro]

im growing into a whole sign girlie but by that logic saturn is supposed to be moving into my 11h but istg i have been feeling the themes and lessons

[oh-wow-im-still-here]

Luo Binghe pov fics that have him be amused or confounded by his silly shizun are the best actually. I know his rose tinted glasses of affection are basically opaque, but you cannot tell me the silly goofy wackiness that is shen yuan does not peak through and throw binghe off his rhythm at times. During his disciple days he definitely thought "he's so smart and yet so dumb at the same time. Is anyone gonna take care of him?" And didnt wait for an answer.

[ghost-bxrd]

Prompt:

Damian, who has just lost the last member of his family, goes off the deep end and, in a fit of violent rage, goes tumbling through a portal and back in time.

Jason doesn’t know how the scary guy with the gunshot wound became his problem but he’s not heartless enough to leave him to bleed out beside some dumpster in Crime Alley.

[setzeri]

Sad little frog goes "ribbit ribbit" on a rainy day.