#myth introject

[citizenoftmrrwlnd]

stimboard for : an alter (tallulah, icarus, and eevee combo introject) with feathers/wings, sunsets and sunrises, flowers, and jewels requested by 🪽🌺☀️anon

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[collectivelysillysoup]

Why hello, dawling!

We are very proud of Hermes for drawing this :D

[banesberry-anomoly]

Wow thats crazy 🍷

[your-fave-is-plural]

*this is a headCanon from a interject of them btw. Jack cult from the roblox myth “the cult family” is a system? :3

Ok! Here you go! Apologies for the wait!

[nyahkmenrah]

Consider, Egyptian Cerberus. Three headed jackal.

[pssychoticcs]

I throw him a lot. He's the Hephaestus to my Hera.

Help? (I'm laughing)

[the-slendermansion]

oh my god my brain -

ok to start I just want to say that I really don't mean this in any weird way, and I hope this does not come off as creepy.

I was on the plural-culture-is blog, and I saw a post you guys submitted (from the sage-draws account), which had the signoff - Clair 💙👓.

now, I used to really like the cult family roblox myth, so when I read that, I IMMEDIATELY thought of Clair smiles. (same name, colour blue, wore glasses)

I thought "no way right? Like that's such a niche fandom, how could someone be a fictive of a character from it?"

but then, I saw a post on this blog, which said "“why is there more of you.” 5/10 gets very repetitive after awhile, but still a truly true thing to say in regards of finding more cult family (ROBLX MYTH)"

and my jaw literally fell to the floor.

anyway again, I hope this doesn't come across as weird or creepy, I was just really shocked to find a cult family fictive -

haha no worries anon! It didn’t come of as creepy or weird at all! It really funny(may be the wrong word but idk) to us when people realize our sources! Some of our main fronters at this time are Roblox myths! It really fun to interact with people who like ours sources! We actually have maybe 14 cf intorjects? It quite alot to people outside of the system (and to Jack-) anyways we have about all together 22 known Roblox myth intorjects!

[sysmedsaresexist]

Not so gentle reminder

Myths and Facts

- fictives, introjects, comfort characters, NPCs are signs of faking - these are all normal, recognized things in DID. These alters can come on suddenly or gradually. See the next point.

- alters only form during times of high stress or (re-)traumatization, they don't appear out of nowhere - while there is some truth to this, it's not that simple and is certainly not a form of faking. Alters can take years to show up after an event, and they might not know why they formed. It can be very hard to pinpoint an alter's reason/time frame for creation, leading many to misinterpret an alters origin. It's also common for some systems to split fragments very easily, and for reasons that can be boiled down to minor inconveniences. These fragments can and do take identity from media.

- people use systemhood to avoid accountability - while there are people who do this, please be cognizant that the point of DID is dissociation-- the disownment of one's actions, emotions, and memories. There is a good chance that the person you're accusing of faking is actually in an extremely bad situation mentally and is doing the exact thing people with DID do. System accountability is a learned behaviour that comes with healing and system communication. For some, it comes easy, for others, it's a sign of being in a bad mental state and trained reactions to confrontation. Please note: it's not your job to help them. Say your piece and move on, you're not going to fix anything there.

- only the worst of the worst forms of abuse can cause DID - repeated and longterm emotional neglect is the leading cause of DID, and is theorized to be more damaging than physical and sexual abuse combined.

Relevant articles because I'm lazy

Remember to be kind to others. We're all struggling in our own ways.

[altosys]

psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA so being neutral on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help.

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/dissociative-identity-disorder/dissociative-identity-disorder-causes#what-is-it

hope this helps.

"that typically underlies the condition" (Source: Dissociative Identity Disorder: What Causes DID? | Psych Central)

Dissociation does not always have to be due to trauma.

"You may dissociate the memory of the situation, place, or feelings about an overwhelming event." In other words, someone may not know they have trauma at all. (Source: Dissociative Identity Disorder: What Causes DID? | Psych Central)

(Source: Dissociative Disorders: Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment)

But you know what? Let's break down what you said, word for word, Anon. Shall we begin?

psychologists have confirmed multiple times that you can only have DID / OSDD / be a system WITH TRAUMA

General plurality is different than disordered plurality (eg. DID, OSDD). (Sources: Countering DID myths – we’re not all the same! | Sarah K Reece, More Than One)

so being neutral on the subject means you are okay with people faking a serious disorder interacting with your content

How can you tell someone is "faking"? Here I will list a bunch of reasons people (including traumagenic systems) have been fakeclaimed for their plurality: -Having introjects +Having factives +Having source memories -Not remembering their trauma -Remembering their trauma in excruciating detail -Being a minor +Being in therapy as a minor -Being diagnosed Shall I go on? Shall I? The only people who will insist one is faking are the people who think that a condition, which can take multiple appearances as no one has the exact same lived experience, looks the same in every single person who has it.

and you are okay with people taking away resources for people who genuinely need the help.

Explain how having more resources is taking them away? I may not be enrolled in any university math courses but something's just not adding up here. /rh

I would rather believe someone who is faking than disbelieve someone who is telling the truth. Not to mention how painful it would be to force someone to remember their trauma, all for the sake of knowing they're not faking. That's... that's just sad, no?

Hope this helped clear some things up, ~Electra/Vinyl ⚡/👾

[outnumberedsins]

Scripts: What are they, and what aren't they?

Unfortunately, scripts have been subject to major misinformation within certian OEA spaces. Examples are terms such as 'miniscripts', how many scripts a system can have, what media can be a script, etc. This post will cover all of that, as well as provide sources to the best of my ability. These sources contain material that can be triggering, so please tred carefully.

What are scripts?

The term 'script' itself is linked to svalispeaks, who is not a good source. However, the concept itself is documented and referenced to in other ways, so please keep that in mind.

Simply put, a 'script' is a piece of media used as an internal organization program to lay out a systems innerworld, hierarchy, and parts. When done properly, scripts will be a seen in almost everything in a systems internal parts. Those scripted in a particular media will have alters based on characters and a piece of the innerworld based on the universe, each serving a specifically programmed purpose.[1, chp 4 & 6][2 , pg 94]

Scripting will typically begin in infancy or very young age, as any programming does. [3][4][5] This is because the older the child is, the more difficult it is to implement programming, as possible dissociative responses and state of integration have already begun to develop. [6]

Groups that attempt scripting are typically large, sophisticated and organized, as they require a substantial amount of space and time (ex. Multiple rooms and prompts, ability to perform wide ranges of abuse, ability to have frequent access to child). [3][4][5][7 , chp 2 & 4]

Internal structures are common in those who have dealt with TBMC. However, not all of them are scripts. The difference between other structures and scripts are the addition of specific media, such as a religious book, to outline the system.

Scripts vs Forced Introjection

Programmed Introject =/= Script =/= Forced Introject

People often confuse forced introjection for scripts. Sometimes, survivors may even confuse a general introject for a part of a script. While scripts do involve forced introjection, not all forced introjection is scripting.

A script involves more than one alter, programmed around one another, as well as effects to the system structure, innerworlds, and applied programs. Forced introjection does not have to be a part of a script, or even part of OEA at all.

A common example of non-scripted forced introjects, that may themselves be programmed, are abuser introjects. These introjects can be programmed, but may not be a part of a script. [8 , pg 51]

Outside of that, systems may have forced introjects that aren't programmed, or involved in OEA at all. This could be possible from further abuse at a later date, where the perpetrator utilizes the persons CDD to try and get them to split a certian introject. This could be an example of conditioning, but not programming.

Myths and Misinformation:

1. Any piece of media can be a script.

1a. Viable media for scripting must be simple enough for a young child to understand, must have clear and reoccurring themes and morals, and has a consistent storyline. This is due to age of the victim. Media that has been around for a long time are more than likely able to fit these things, along with the fact that repeat adaptations and reoccurrence of the story is common. New, complicated, and long pieces of media make scripting extremely difficult or impossible. Groups that do have the resources to script victims are more likely to resort to tried and true methods, and media that reflects their values [ex. Religious documents], rather then making up an entirely new scripting method.

2. There is no limit on the number of scripts you can have.

2a. Due to the nature of scripts being the complete base of the system, or a major part of it, it would be incredibly difficult to implement more than one script without it failing and breaking down. The child would become very confused and internal structures wouldn't work as required. There is hardly any reason to have more than one script anyways, given the time and effort gone in to creating one.

3. 'Miniscripts.'

3a. 'Miniscripts' are the idea of a script that purposely only involves one layer, or only a couple of alters. While it is possible to have failed or broken programming that results in a broken script, the purpose of a script itself means that it will inhabit more than just a small area of the system. Like previously mentioned, the presence of multiple scripts can easily cause dysfunction and break down the system. Often, 'miniscripts' are just other organizational programming, forced introjection, or simply introjects by themselves.

4. Every TBMC survivor with a CDD has a script.

4a. This is completely false. In fact, it's likely less common to have a script, let alone a fully functioning/complete one, due to the time and effort it takes to implement. You can be programmed and not have a script. It's possible to not have a script yet have other organizational programming. You do not need one.

Specific Scripts:

There were a lot of sources on this matter that I've found but don't particularly trust, but have been sited by ones I do. For this reason I have left out mentions of specific scripts as I didn't have detailed references. However, for the sake of this post, I'd like to mention these following specific scripts I've seen mentioned, however brief, in reading:

The Wizard of Oz

Alice In Wonderland

Nursery Rhymes and Fairy Tales

Original Disney Princesses

Religious Texts

This is not to say these are the only scripts possible, ever. These are just ones I've seen referenced to in a clinical sense, and thus I assume are the most common.

Thank you for reading. If you have any questions, feel free to send an ask or reply to this post. A reminder that I am not a professional, I am flawed, and am just doing my best.

[collectivelysillysoup]

"Let it go, paint my body gold

Take our bodies higher and higher and higher"

Time taken: around 5 hours

[anomalymon]

[Essay] MissingNo Therian: An Exploration in Identity, Labels, and the Fictotherian Experience

We've seen a few posts of people wanting more personal essays in the community, so I thought I would write this and crosspost it to Tumblr. -Rex

I am a MissingNo. My exact form is one that's been fluid throughout my life, with Kabutops and Aerodactyl fossil forms having preference, but occasionally switching to the Lavender Town Ghost. I identify as a Pokemon therian or Poketherian for my species - or fictotherian for a broad term. This identification is one which can confuse people - after all, therianthropy is more traditionally associated with animals, and I identify as Pokemon that isn't real. My species only exists in four games that are well over two decades old and is a failsafe the game spits out. Why should I identify as a therian? Despite how strange it can seem, I still prefer therian over other labels such as otherkin and fictionkin. My therian identity is deeply intertwined with my hyperempathy, created by a bias of my animality, comes from viewing a MissingNo as a type of animal, and from experiencing common therian traits.

Therian over otherkin, fictionkin, or fictive

Some may be saying "why don't you call yourself fictionkin?" or even "Isn't otherkin for mythical species, while therian is for earthen species?" To address the later point, there have been better written essays dispelling this. I would highly recommend Therian: Dispelling the Earthen Animal Myth by The River System for a well written and researched essay.

To address the former point, it is personal preference. I did use "otherkin" for years and still do identify as both otherkin and fictionkin, but the term "therian" is more in alignment to how I experience identity. I am an animal, I experience shifts, and I experience instincts.

I don't perceive MissingNo as sapient on the level of elves or some dragons. For me, being a MissingNo is also a "real" thing, as tangible as a dog, bird, or dragon. I don't consider myself glitchkin despite being a glitch, nor conceptkin. I am like the theriomythics who label themselves for being an animalstic gryphon or phoenix.

When it comes Fictionkin and fictive, to me they can be too focused on identifying yourself in the framework of being a character, which I'm not. I'm not a creepypasta character anymore than one of the Hypno species would be. I still do identify as fictional - I can comfortably identify as "fictherian" or my preference "fictotherian" (Which comes from "fictotype". I believe I started this term usage - since when I started using it, I could find no results to it, but I did use it in forum posts, Discord servers, and other methods).

Fictive falls under a similar problem - but with slightly more alienation. While the term is open to me, my identity history makes me feel out of place in a community of walk-ins and introjects when it was one that developed later in life.

How I became a MissingNo and the grip of hyperempathy

My identity as a MissingNo came later in life. I began existing in my system as a canine pup - which I know from behaviors and mannerisms that I later connected to me in the present, and genuinely expressing feeling like a dog as a child. Years later, I identified this species as a manned wolf.

Then at around the age of ten, my identity shifted to a glitch Pokemon. What at least contributed to it was developing a special interest in Glitch Pokemon around this time. This combined with our natural hyper-empathy and perhaps being conceptum to subconsciously alter my identity over time.

These interpretations can cause me to be out of place. While I still love glitch Pokemon and I am fascinated by them, I rarely find anyone who also has an intense interest and fascination while having this level of hyperempathy - even if I encounter others who have some alterhuman or even gender or sexuality connection to glitch Pokemon. Almost uncontrollably do I see glitch Pokemon as genuine Pokemon. I might grow attached to certain Pokemon in the way I would a pet.

The overall psychological influence means that this identity comes down to personal interpretations and personification. I'm not a natural animal and you cannot read about me in a textbook or find any bits of lore within the games, but rather, I am an animal that came from the mind of a mentally ill person.

MissingNo the animal

What defines "animal" varies. Humans are biologically animals and primates, but not all humans identify with those terms, with some taking offense to it. To someone with hyperempathy, a stuffed animal may be as much of an animal as a living one, or even a car might be a type of animal to certain minds. This connection is what makes me feel a MissingNo can be a type of animal.

Additionally, Pokemon are their world's equivalent of animals, and this is how most of my system views Pokemon due to one of our deepest parallel life connections being a humanlike Mewtwo. This sentiment is also one I've seen many Poketherians have. In the world of our origin, we are animals. For another essay on a similar experience, I'd highly recommend "The Fire Burns Bright" by Jasper, an Alolan Marrowak therian.

Within the contexts of the games and many interpretations - including my own - MissingNo is also a bird. It is one of few Pokemon which use this glitch beta typing. Being a bird can be equally as much a part of it and I'd consider birds as a paralleltype and one where I may confidently call myself a bird. Albeit a very odd bird.

The wolf and animal bias in my core

In addition to the bird of the MissingNo, the manned wolf at my heart is still important to my identity. It's in between otherhearted and therian on a sliding scale, and I identify it more as manned wolf-hearted for convenience, but it's closer to "kinth". I don't know why I am or was a manned wolf, but it doesn't quite matter to me either way. What matters is that there is the manned wolf.

To me it feels as if despite my core being or "soul", my mind became a MissingNo while the core remained the same. To my soul, a MissingNo is a type of dog. Then, to my mind, a manned wolf is a type of Pokemon. Both of these identities came about and exist in harmony rather than opposition.

Another comparison that the heart and soul makes is being "feral". Glitch entities in video games to me are almost like an animal which can't be domesticated. They may act fine, but every so often you'll encounter something that reminds you that at their core, they're wild. MissingNo still scrambles sprites and Hall of Fame data - and you can't have a "normal" experience with it. MissingNo is to Pokemon as a wolf is to a dog.

The instincts that made me tear apart playsets when playing house pretending to be a dog are still present in the instincts that make me want to tear apart meat when I eat it.

The Experience of a MissingNo Animal

I fit into many traditional therianthropy experiences and unto a hybrid canine/avian experience - just perhaps with more twists towards the bizarre.

I am a contherian when it comes to mental shifting and almost always feeling like an animal. However, I do experience phantom shifts. I get the sensations of skeletal fangs, claws, and a body that's far heavier and taller than my tiny, human form. Though the bizarre comes when during these shifts, I don't feel like I have skin and much of my body feels transparent, I feel like I should be able to stick my hand through my lower jaw.

I feel the sense of freedom and flight when I ride a bike downhill. For a few minutes when I bike, I can imagine myself flying. I sit in rivers and ponds among the wading birds feeling like I belong. I treat the chicks and chickens we raise like a part of my flock.

I still want to hunt. Sometimes I need to fight my instincts to recognize chicks as flockmates and not food. I like to eat wildly and I like to taste blood and fat in my food. When I eat, I feel like like the blood should dribble through my skinless jaw bone. Skeletal claws should be typing this essay instead of fleshy human fingers.

Conclusion

I am an animal, and despite doubts, I am a therian.

This label fits my experiences better than the alternatives. I don't feel as much alienation or out of place compared to other communities even though my species isn't an "animal" in the traditional sense. Hyperempathy has created this experience for me in that I feel more comfortable saying I am an animal than I am from fiction.

My center being is animal and always has been, it's just how its presented through my life has shifted. The animal instincts have only developed as my species has.

It is my hope that more unusual therians might come forth and be encouraged to examine their experiences - and for both earthen therians and potential theriomythics or fictotherians to explore what exactly "animal" means to them. I want others to also examine where their mind's biases may lead them, how that can impact their identity, and use it to feel more at peace in what the heart wants.

[the-foundation-sys]

Ajdhdn um random system ramble in your askbox because we're scared to post it but want *someone* to hear about it and it kind of fits into that one obscure introjects post.

We have barely any human alters. But not as much because we were dehumanised or anything, rather that since we were little we thought we were more like mythical beings (vampires, werewolves, witches)

And the interesting thing is it's because we have this theory that most of those myths are actually just ancient ableism. Vampires & Werewolves have so many traits that could just be attributed to being a neurodivergent human (completely separate rant but still. maybe we will come back to explain this maybe not.)

And so depending on which symptoms we portray as individual parts gives us a creature we are. I, personally, hold more autism symptoms which we attribute to vampires, so I'm a vampire. Our other host holds multiple symptoms but the ones that are more present we attribute to both vampires and werewolves, so they're a hybrid. Our persecutors and protectors kind of fit into the fae but are also typically anthropomorphic animals, possibly hybrids but we're not very aware about them. The gatekeepers are typically human-ish angelic beings, having both a humanoid form and biblically accurate angel forms (one of them has literally quoted the be not afraid when we first cofronted with them).

anyway I feel like this might be an interesting take on alters species or something. I dunno. It felt interesting but now I'm doubting it will be. :]

- new anon. um. ⚰️🐾

we can relate to barely having any human alters! and it was very interesting, don't doubt yourself /gen

and hey, this is our first anon signoff! time to make a list

[sleepnowmychild]

I was just informed that our Hypnos (hades game) fictive has actually interacted with the actual deity Hypnos and so I asked him what it was like, talking to the god you’re based on and this man just goes “you know the Spider-Man pointing meme?”

I CANNOT with this man. He’s so unserious, how the actual hell does he have a whole child he’s sufficiently raising?

But in all seriousness, he said it was kind of like looking at a version of his higher self in a way. Like he’s a branch off the massive tree that is the deity Hypnos. It felt like seeing an alternate version of himself thats eons older and wiser, knows everything about him and looks upon him the way a human looks at a kitten and goes “aw, so small in this big world”. I can’t speak for other deities, but I’d imagine it’d be similar for any introject of a deity. They’re obviously aware of how systems work and why you may introject an alter based on them, or a depiction of them. They don’t take any offence or anything, they know you aren’t “copying” them or “stealing their identity” or something. They’d see the introject as a vessel crafted in their image to help that system in ways they can’t, like physically fronting in the body to do a task or working inside the headspace.

And I feel like since Hypnos has ties to the subconscious mind, and a whole damn army of plurals as his devotees, he of all people would understand the complexities of having a deity introject. I’d like to see him and our Hypnos interacting, I get the feeling it’d be an endless loop of them telling each other about how we need more sleep, talking about the stuffed animal collection and going “hey remember when (myth event) happened?”

[syscultureis]

plural culture is painfully watching people compare system alters to kins, irls, "DAs", etc etc... When those things and experiences aren't comparable... Or watching singlet kinners/irls use system terms... Sighing, no buddy... No one is "fronting" for you if you're a singlet... No, you are not "switching" when you swap from one kin to another... no, pal, that introject is not your "double" (not including systems that just haven't found out yet)

I really don't care how people identify, if you're a kin or irl or whatever, I don't care, not my business... But do not compare those things to being systems and do not come into system spaces demanding things... We are not the same... Yes, there do exist systems who may also kin or have self misidentification delusions caused by a different disorder... But the experience of a headmate and a delusion and a kin are all so different, they aren't comparable...

And comparing systems to "DAs" only further creates this misconception in other peoples heads that DID/OSDD is a delusion disorder and causes harm to us and our community... We have enough bullshit myths because of Hollywood and movies that portray us as "evil alter egos", stop adding to the fire... Identify as whatever you want, but don't drag systems into it...

-Sincerely, a DID system that also has struggles with a psychotic disorder and self misidentification delusions

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[ghost-jester-sys]

Welcome - We're the Forest Collective

This post contains our Do Not Follow , Before You Follow and some extra info about us bellow the cut

Collective Terms + Identities:

Forest , Xi/They/Wolf/Howl , Transmasculine

Therian + Otherkin (Primarily Wolfkin + Wolf theriotype , but we also identify with ragdoll cats, bunnies, and several others)

Punk , Cripplepunk / Cpunk

Collectively we are situational mute (do NOT call us selective mute) and predominantly semiverbal

(we have several masked verbal alters who communicate for us verbally when necessary, but we are considered semiverbal)

We interchangeably use parts , headmates and alter language and mainly use We/Us when talking about us.

We are intersex.

Get blocked (DNI):

Antisemitic, homophobic / transphobic, TERFs/SWERFs, racist, ableist, fatphobic, zionists etc

Non-traumagen "systems" + supporters/neutrals (endo, willo, etc) OR culturally appropriate closed practices

Pro/neu contact paras, radqueers and transIDs fuck off

If you reduce introjects to their source / blacklist certain sourced introjects (wtf is wrong with you)

If you don't know how to actually tag and TW things you're getting blocked

If you don't follow your own DNI

Anti contradictory labels - you are literally so intersexist and transphobic.

If you cannot tell the difference between real values and FICTION

Before You Follow:

If you stigmatise cluster B PDs by promoting the myth of "narcissist abuse"

Perisex but use Intergender or think you can transition to be intersex

Do not use complexity labels on us

We are physically disabled and use mobility aids

We often lose the ability to speak or communicate coherently as well as the ability to advocate for ourselves

We will block you if you actively post / reblog about our triggers

We are bodily intersex and will not tolerate intersexism of any kind.

Posts / reblogs tagged with: "dir post 🧂" or "dir reblog 🧂" are directed at our syspartner

Anons and asks will be tagged with:

"🌳 forest.chats"

Random rambles unrelated to our usual posts will be tagged with:

"🌳forest rambles.exe"

We have survived RAMCOA , Programming and TBMC and post about it (tagged with appropriate warnings)

Our Disorders:

AuDHD , Dyslexia , Speech disorders (stutter, situational mute, semiverbal), Tourettes

Agoraphobia, C-PTSD, Polyfrag DID

Cluster B PDs: BPD, HPD, NPD

Cluster C PD: DPD

OCD, DPDR, Pica, ARFID, Anxiety + Depression

We are visually impaired with VSS (currently looking for more Dx that may explain our vision)

POTS, FND, Hypermobile EDS, Fibro

Our Collective Pronouns page:

(this also contains links to other headmates pronouns pages)