#systok

[afuckingsystemsthoughts]

for DID/OSDD systems:

having under 10 alters or over 100 doesnt mean youre faking

having no syskids doesnt mean youre faking

having many syskids doesnt mean youre faking

being introject heavy (especially fictive heavy) doesnt mean youre faking

having fictives but no abuser introjects doesnt mean youre faking

most of the systems alters looking and acting similar doesnt mean youre faking

poor masking skills doesnt mean youre faking

having system shenanigans, lore, and friendships doesnt mean youre faking

splitting from autistic trauma or being sensory overwhelmed doesnt mean youre faking

having "drastic dramatic dissociation" (dp dr, amnesia, blurring) only half of the time even with good alter communication doesnt mean youre faking

daydreaming/zoning out with no or very little amnesia more than you have "drastic dramatic dissociation" doesnt mean youre faking

being able to dissociate on command doesnt mean youre faking

being misinformed and exaggerating symptoms to feel valid doesnt mean youre faking

toxic alters doesnt mean youre faking

you can be proud of being a system and it doesnt mean youre faking. you should be proud because you survived and to survive, your brain constructed itself specifically for that. you were built to survive.

and systems dont have to live in misery all day with no enjoyment just because you have DID or OSDD.

ignore systok and how systemscringe reacted to it. ignore the toxic black and white thinking in the toxic part of the DID/OSDD community. find peace in having alters and dont justify that to anyone because you dont need to.

[tales-from-systok]

Not me but I watched one of my friends get fakeclaimed for having An inner world At All

That's.. ?? I swear some people fakeclaim for the weirdest things

[the-hydra-sys]

Hey moots! Starting a gimmick/ask blog called 'tales from systok', rb or comment if you're comfortable with me @ing you in the intro post for a boost :)

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[sophieinwonderland]

I don’t even know how to respond more articulately to this person. You don’t have to answer my ask if you don’t have the spoons btw. So this person posted a TikTok in response to my previous comment to not invalidate people’s experiences on a pro endo video that that person put an anti comment in. Here’s the link:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8GFtegk/

Here’s my reply but idk what to say really. I probably sound stupid. Plus I think someone mentioned you in the comments section there too.

I think this is a fine answer. Although I might have added that there are other sources that do confirm endogenic plurality. And even the DSM references it in the form of possession states.

Although if you want, I guess I could go into the video a bit more in-depth.

Actually, yeah, it sounds kind of fun! 😁

Let's get into it then!

Thank you for that! Although I'm confused why you think explaining this so we can understand involves a robot reading in a whispery demonic murder voice.

How are you defining a "system?"

If this is going to be a semantic argument about how endos aren't technically systems because "system" is a DID/OSDD word then I'll point out that endogenic systems have called themselves systems since the 90s. And Internal Family Systems therapy has been around since the 80s, referring to people having multiple autonomous parts of their personality. The word has always been pretty open, even in this context.

If you read closely within the DSM-5, you will find exemptions for spiritual plurality in the form of possession states.

I believe this exemption can be found in "carteria" D.

And remember that the DSM-5 isn't the only diagnostic handbook in the world and the ICD-11 states that you can experience multiple "distinct personality states" without a disorder. This is the same wording the ICD-11 uses to refer to alters.

And endogenic plurality was originally referred to as "natural multiplicity" which has existed since the 90s.

Additionally, Kluft speculated in 2001 that there could be a nonpathological endogenous forms of dissociative identity disorder.

Wait... commit what?

A felony?

Commit to marriage?

Just... commit in general? Don't leave me hanging!

Oh wait, you were going to throw out the S-word, right? "Don't say endogenic systems exist or some DID system might unalive themselves." 🙄

This is fearmongering BS and emotional manipulation.

DID systems aren't going to be "harass" because people acknowledge endogenic systems exist. These things have nothing to do with the other. People were fakeclaimed and harassed for being systems long before the internet was a thing, and there's no indication the presence of endogenic systems has contributed to this in any way.

Come on! I already showed you the ICD-11 and the quote from Kluft. I swear, it's like you're not even reading what I wrote. 😔

But sure. How about Eric Yarbrough, Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, in a book reviewed and published by the APA themselves?

Is that enough for you?

I could go on, but you did only ask for one. 🤷‍♀️

Actually, you know, as a bonus, I will just link to Varieties of tulpa Experiences. Written by a psychiatry professor at McGill University, and published by the highly-reputable Oxford University Press.

Repeatedly asserting something doesn't make it true.

This appears to be vaguely referencing the theory of structural dissociation.

Assuming it is, I'll point out that even the creators of this theory have stated that it may be possible for someone to have multiple self-conscious dissociated parts of the personality from things other than trauma. Such as in hypnosis and mediumship.

No. No it's not.

Didn't you imply that you had read the DSM-5 earlier? Because while trauma is highly associated with DID, trauma certainly isn't in the "carteria." Nor is it in the criteria either.

And while it does mention that studies have shown that upwards of 90% of DID cases are linked with trauma, there are no such statements made for studies into OSDD.

Please, tell me what culture is supposedly being appropriated by just believing in the very concept of mediumship and possession?

This is something that exists in nearly every single culture on the planet in some form or another. (Some positive, some negative.) Nobody owns it. And you can't just say literally all spiritual systems are appropriating a culture by virtue of being spiritual.

By that logic, you may as well say reality shifters are appropriating every culture that believed dreams would take you to other worlds.

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[sugarfreesyscourse]

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

I feel like it should be pretty obvious why essentially a 'DID convention' is a dogshit idea. Not to mention this is hosted by DID tiktokers, there's a good reason why DID events of any sort are arranged by mental health professionals and are highly informative, not a fucking PARTY?

Not to mention how they're, y'know, making out DID to be fun. It's not like this disorder ruins lives. I'm not saying systems can't be brought together; but honestly, unless it's in a pre-existing friend group, it doesn't usually go well. I'm apprehensive of system spaces online but this event would need you to put yourself there IN PERSON.

I mean, let's talk about this. This is going to spread so much misinfo at best, and it's going to be outright dangerous at worse. This is not hosted by mental health professionals. It's a free event. Everyone there "has DID", many likely without professional verification (I agree with self diagnosis with extensive research but a lot of people DON'T do that). Systok is a hellscape as is. My only hope is that this event flops because systok is full of misdirected minors who shouldn't have a way to get to the event.

But more importantly, this is a party, an event where everyone there KNOWS you have DID, which makes it dangerous. Anyone could be there with ill intentions. It's not going to be properly monitored. This puts attendees in an incredibly vulnerable situation. Not everyone in the system community is pure of heart, and many people malinger. I don't even want to get into all the bad that could happen- just think about what does happen at parties at is, and then add the fact that strangers are going to know you have a complex dissociative disorder stemming from trauma. Something that people often take advantage of and make worse.

Not to mention how they're advertising themselves as celebrities and making "fun packs" and having extortionate prices to meet the creators there. But hey, at least they have some protection, right? It's not like anyone else there matters!

[galaxialauthority]

Systok sucks

We don't recommend going there

In fact, stay far away

[alchemicsleuth]

I cannot look on SysTok for more than seven seconds. I just get so confused by the discorse over there. Tiktok users are genuinely insane.

[atypical-irritant]

In other news, something is deeply wrong with TikTok as a whole. I wasn't aware anything could make the brain rot that is various corners of Reddit look well adjusted, but here we are.

[crystal-circus-evergrow]

I drew myself in a dress ! ( as an alter ) I use he / him pronouns

[spacetimesystem]

we have a tiktok btw

mostly for venting and doing stupid shit. v’s in charge but starling posts a lot

https://www.tiktok.com/@pinkhex

[tales-from-systok]

not a submission but we have a (probably quite silly) question! how are you all finding DID content on tiktok? every time i search up DID stuff in the search bar the same old videos keep coming up with no new content :( i might just be tiktok illiterate but i cant seem to figure it out!

We make system content and follow back most of our followers! Another option is to look through comment sections of popular DID videos and see if any of the commenters make system content, as oftentimes systok is quite close-knit in terms of who knows who

(eg. Almost everyone in our following list follows us back, and almost everyone who comments on our videos is also a system)

[the-hydra-sys]

The visceral difference between 94 Tumblr followers and 854 TikTok followers.

It's so??? I don't even know how to words it. But like.. ???

The vibes are so different..

[the-t-virus-system]

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[doggboyy]

What some people need to understand is that locking up alters is okay. If a part is going to harm other people or the body, it's okay to not let them front. It's okay to prioritize the safety of yourself and others over the happiness of one alter. If the only thing that could ever help them is a therapist, it's okay to wait until then. If nothing will ever help them, it's okay to never let them front. Sometimes alters are genuinely awful people, not just misguided, and whatever you need to do to be safe is okay.