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Babs being a bitch is so important to me because sometimes I worry about standing up for myself when people are wildly ableist to me, but I know she would tell me to doxx them, so stating my needs without guilt or apology and not backing down becomes a happy medium.
#babs gordon#oracle dc#wwbd#what would babs do#NOT back down to shitty institutions which threaten to remove her existing accommodations when she asks for another one#NOT believe that when you're disabled you should be grateful for basic accomodations when abled people get that stuff without thinking#NOT blame herself for apparently taking things away from other disabled people because we are in it together#and that is shitty guilt tripping from the institution which should provide for everyone
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Inspired by the latest Batgirl issue
#telespeak#Cassandra Cain#Stephanie Brown#soooooo the latest issue broke my heart#into so many pieces#and look. objectively babs would've been a better choice#but any take on her that would've connected to their relationship in Batgirl 2000 would have needed her to be the Oracle of that time#and that was never going to happen#and like. there is something deeply compelling to me about the fact that every time Cass is out of options she thinks of Steph#Steph is not a purely joyful presence in Cass's life! If Brombal writes an arc with steph I'd want to see that pre-52 tension back!#but I do think Cass in some ways conceptualizes her as that. joyful.#and so when she needs comfort. it'll be her#always her#we are up to a hat trick fellas#What they have is the good stuff
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as much as I love batgirl 2024, I have to admit the lack of Barbara Gordon mentions in the whole series so far, especially with the first arc having such a big theme of motherhood/daughterhood and the things that comes with it, makes me soo sad. Barbara was the first person Cass actually considered as a mother! Barbara, although she wasn’t the best at it at first, truly did try to understand and love Cass unconditionally even when she was separated from the Bat mantle! And that panel where Cass overhears Barbara tell Dick that she doesn’t know how to really care for Cass could’ve been the perfect parallel to the whole “is a Mother just being connected by blood? No, Something more is owed/Being a daughter is more than being connected by blood” lines that Cass says in the last (current) issue because Barbara, though she did not physically bring Cass into this world, has sacrificed SO much for her, and in return Cass gave so much back.
#don’t get me wrong I love Cass and Shiva’s dynamic and how it is being explored.#however I DO think you can make an excellent story about the two and their dynamic without Shiva taking a traditional ‘caring’ mother role-#-she realistically did not want or care for at least since after Caroline-and essentially Shiva’s old life and softness-died#although I guess you could say that since Shiva is both reminded of her lost softness and Caroline through Cass-#-Cass symbolizes Shiva’s softness and Caroline reborn especially considering Shiva literally points this out.#I think Shiva and even Cass certainly ‘sacrificed’ for each other and Shiva does care for Cass-#-but it’s not really in motherhood hence Shiva is not ‘soft’ enough for that. And it is not sisterhood-#-because Shiva sees way too much of herself in Cass (i.e “im an open wound” line) so that Shiva cannot fully project Caroline onto Cass.#I would say it is something between those lines. But care and fondness/longing for something lost long ago does not equal motherhood to me.#anyways sorry!! back to babs and cass <3#mainly referring to that issue where Barbara says to Cass “People will forget about me [as batgirl] and that’s ok”-#while essentially handing Cass the title as Batgirl.#Barbara sacrificed the mantle she so loved-the mantle she was angry and devastated and overjoyed and is/was a part of her-#because Barbara believed in Cass and her spirit more than hers. more than anyone’s.#Barbara gave Cass giant leather wings to take to the sky with. SHE LOVES HER SO SO MUCH SHSHDHSKSMSN#Barbara wanted Cass to experience the same joy and freedom she got out of being Batgirl. and in response Cass states-#-“I will never be as good as you” because Barbara IS batgirl still in spirit. And as far as Cass was concerned she will never be as good-#-she will never be as self sacrificing as Barbara no matter how many bullets Cass takes for people.#AND THIS IS SUCH A BIG AREA OF CONFLICT BECAUSE BABS WANTS CASS TO BE HER OWN PERSON SO BAD#SHE WANTS TO LEARN WHAT CASS LOVES AND WHAT CASS SMILES AT SO SHE CAN MAKE CASS SMILE ALL THE TIME#SHE WANTS CASS TO BE MORE THAN BATGIRL BUT ALL CASS WANTS IS TO BE BATGIRL#WHICH IN TURN MAKES CASS WANT TO BE MORE LIKE BARBARA-OR ESSENTIALLY MORE UNLIKE HERSELF-#WHICH MAKES BABS INCREASINGLY MORE DESPERATE TO LEARN ABOUT AND LOVE AND SEPERATE HERSELF FROM CASS-#WHICH THEN MAKES CASS SO DEVASTATED BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE LIKE THE PERSON WHO ESSENTIALLY BIRTHED HER. AUAGHSHSJSBDN#yes. you understand.#anyways….idk being connected by mutual sacrifice and mutual love. THAT is the mother and daughter relationship that BG24 was getting at!!!!#this is where I shamelessly endorse CassCainMainly and their meta posts on Babs and Cass btw <333#cassandra cain#barbara gordon#lady shiva
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If Bruce had the option to get his parents back but one of his kids would die he’d choose his kids every time.
But what if one of his kids had the option to get their parents back but Bruce would die?
#Cass has a problem with killing so it’s hard to say what she’d do#especially if Barbara was being considered her parent in this case#Jason had Catherine once upon a time#she wasn’t a great mom but she was sick and could get better#Tim I really can’t say#if you wanna go off fanon I think he’d choose Bruce a million times over#but I’m not and his relationship with his parents is so complex#Dick is one that truly confounds me#because my brains telling he’d pick his parents but my heart is telling me he could never#Duke would choose his parents#If we want we can include Babs and Steph#Stephanie would choose Crystal over Bruce#Babs would kill Bruce for Gordon#batman#batfamily#batfam#bruce wayne#stephanie brown#barbara gordon#cassandra cain#dcu#tim drake#duke thomas#dick grayson#jason todd
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I think one of the reasons why people think Duke is the least insane or most normal member of the batfam (aside from the just not knowing much about him) is bc hes the only bat who hasn't had beef with another member of the family I mean Duke even gets along with Jason - anyway my solution to this is that Duke should get to physically fight another member of the family and my personal pick is obviously Tim Drake
#Dc#Dc comics#Tim drake#duke thomas#Bullying is okay as long as its Tim drake#I'm ngl I do have selfish reasons for this#Someone commented on my Tim post the other day#That Tim is the only bat that Jason tolerates#Which what is that nonsense#The 3 bat's Jason tolerates are babs steph and Duke#Duke and steph I would even say enjoy his company#And then I started thinking about how Duke does have the best relationship with every other bar#And then I jumped to maybe that's why people think he's normal#He needs a good insane fight with another bat#Anyway Tim vs Duke when dc
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has gideon ever won a fight ever or is the whole series just her getting publicly owned
#inb4 the babs thing#i endorse that punch. but there were rules she was a sore ass loser#you shake hands and you get off the damn fighting. mat. ring idk how fencing works#anyway the other two times were harrow and cy which shows how. deeply unfair necro power scaling is christ#OH and that time with cam where it was. pretty even but she straight up admits she was scared and thats what made it cool#she would have lost happily#gideon the ninth more like gideon the. L.#sorry i swear i love her its just funny to me that she is not allowed to have nice things ever#cant even win a damn practice duel#OH i will say in her favor re cam she was fighting Up the stairs backwards w a sword she has like 3 months training in#after 8 years of a two hander she was kind of doing great considering the handicap#what im saying is. tamsyn rematch please im begging
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Say what you will about the DC timeline but we all know the truth, Jason Todd uses AO3 and has an account despite not understanding these new fangle technological advancements (hes fucking with Tim he understands what cookies are, it pisses off Tim more than anything else Jason has done)
#jason todd#tim drake#batfam#look I just think that Jason would use the ''I was dead when this was made'' excuse to get out of being forced to join a GC#and then it kind of snowballed into him not understanding what an ''email'' is#despite the fact that Talia def showed him and taught him everything he needed to know including technology#now hes just fucking with Tim while updating his 500K ao3 masterpiece fanfic that Tim has no evidence is real#only Babs knows and Tim is desperately trying to find evidence its the only case that Tim is literally failing at#Dick keeps bugging Tim in showing Jason how to use the computer upstairs and Jason somehow breaks Tim's phone. Twice.#Damien also catches on and does it to Tim too but it backfired in Dick trying to teach him instead#now hes also stuck in doing it#Its a whole ass shitshow that Bruce doesnt even know is happening until Jason uses the batcave computer and Tim fucking tackles him#while screeching about evidence#Bruce calls up harley afterwards to ask if she would be willing to do sessions with RR#its a whole thing
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Given the revelation that Lyctors are in fact intermingled with the cavaliers they ate, can you imagine what a mess Ianthe would be if she, for some reason or another, actually absorbed Corona? It would make the Harrow-Gideon fusion look clean and it wouldn't even need brain surgery to get that way.
#the locked tomb#ianthe tridentarius#coronabeth tridentarius#corona is actively trying to get eaten and ianthe refuses to admit that's even possible#it's even funnier if naberius somehow survived cause...what? what is he gonna do now? what's his purpose in life?#corona is dead and alive and so is ianthe and he doesn't know how he feels but he knows it's probably heretical just to feel anything#meanwhile ianthe's sexy villainess coping mechanism just collapsed into a pile of goo and she's halfway there herself#she'd throw babs out but that would require making a decision and just thinking is a minefield right now
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actually so sick how they made steph into a martyr for everything wrong with gotham when she lived her whole life trying to prove that she was everything right
#im forever thinking about how her autopsy was leaked on live tv. and how babs used her photos to dissuade misfit from picking up a costume#stephanie brown#robin#batgirl#im so conflicted over how her death and rebirth were handled actually. like on one hand i find it so amazing and cool how she came back and#jumped right back into crime fighting no doubts or fear. on the other hearing that my ravaged and tortured body was paraded around as a#symbol for what was wrong with the world and what not to do about it would make me snap. like the babs-misfit thing makes me unreasonably#angry HAHAH they had no right!!!! no right to use her like that when they wouldnt even accept her in life!!!!!!#people are gonna be like 'oh she didnt actually die and it wasnt /her/ body' that's not the point!!!! it's the idea of it!!!!!#even in death! she's just used to say 'it (she) wasn't enough'!!#it drives me insane. insane!!! war crimes is objectively a HORRIBLE story but the concept of this in particular will never leave my brain#i would kill for her to have responded to babs saying that she showed misfit her autopsy photos with 'oh? did you tell her about the teen#pregnancy too?'#freya talks comics
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there is not enough femslash in batcest circles. the girls deserve to be just as weird about each other as the boys are. if BruDick gets to be weird father/son/brothers/lovers/friends/rivals/soulmates then it is only fair that Babs/Cass get to be mother/daughter/sisters/lovers too. Something about that deep intrinsic but undefinable love that is born out of trauma, especially if you consider Cass not knowing what healthy love looks like in the first place. i think it's fun and deserves just as much fandom content.
besides that, you can get even more niche with rarepairs like Helena/Steph. Huntress/Spoiler: Blunt Trauma is already a fantastic comic and even though it's their only real canon interaction it has so much potential. very comparable to TimJay in how Helena tries to get Steph to understand her morals and the corruption you could play with it.
batman: huntress/spoiler: blunt trauma (1998)
that comic also highlights on how both Steph and Helena are outcasts of the Batfamily and don't have the approval of Bruce to be doing what they do in "his city". I think there's so much Potential in Helena taking Steph under her wing because Bruce won't let her in and it becomes a weird codependent toxic sapphic mess. I think the protectiveness Helena feels over Steph from the get-go is so clear and the way she wants to look out for Steph, wants to make sure Steph understands the real world? I love them. Helena should be allowed to steal Steph, actually. I think it'd be fun.
there are a lot of other possibilities too like Babs/Steph or even getting weird with Helena Bertinelli/Helena Wayne and the existential question of "is it selfcest or not." But these two specifically live in my head rent-free, especially Helena/Steph and one day I'll convince everyone else to ship it too.
#batcest#necrotic festerings#how do i tag ships that are almost non-existent#helena bertinelli x stephanie brown#cassandra cain x barbara gordon#as resident huntress fan my answer to the is helena w/helena b selfcest depends entirely on which version of helena wayne you're using.#pre-crisis!helena wayne/pre-flashpoint!helena bertinelli? yes i agrue is selfcest adjacent at least#because helena bertinelli was meant to be an adaptation of helena wayne#if it's jsa (2022)!helena wayne then it's *not* selfcest because they co-exist in the same universe#and according to current lore helena wayne was named after bertinelli and took the name huntress in her honor#which is a *choice* for sure but that's a different post#i still think shipping them is super fun in a “don't meet your heroes” sort of way with helena wayne time travelling#and then potentially running into bertinelli and realizing she's not what wayne thought she was and it being weird toxic shit#as for new-52 helena wayne. i do not acknowledge her and will not comment.#*god* I hate new-52 huntress.#(imo it would be selfcest tho bc they tried to make helena wayne a bertinelli clone. so. there's that.)#i'm going to write a helena/steph fic some day and none of you bitches can stop me#yeah yeah we have stephcass but y'all have sanitized the fuck out of that to convince yourselves it's not batcest and that made it boring.#and helena/babs is neat and all but i prefer helena/zinda when it comes to BoP ships#i should've included panels for cass/babs but it's been a while since i read batgirl (2000) so none immediately came to mind#i have a *lot* more helena/steph thoughts but no braincell to word them. know i will talk about them again.#they got one whole comic and now i won't let them go#also cass/helena is fun for combating morals and the complicated batgirl mantle#cass wears the batgirl suit *helena* made y'all think i can't make that romantic bc i can and will#if we have robin pile then give me batgirl pile#babs/helena/steph/cass hell throw in bette too.
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I like dickory more than i like dickbabs but as soon as you make either a bitch or an obstacle just to get the other together I’m leaving the fanfic immediately no matter how good the fic is. It could have all the tropes and tags and be completed but as soon as I see that I get immediately pissed off cuz I’d rather a 3rd act break up or miscommunication trope then turning an canon love interest into a jealous bitch for romantic drama that is so misogynistic and insulting to me
#dickory#dickbabs#dick grayson#koriand'r#kory anders#barbra gordon#like get that not everyone like the amicable ex trope but come on ppl#I only don’t like dickbabs in some fics because they have the batfam hate on Kory for being an alien#like one Bruce would never do that his best friend is one#I blame that one comic author for the mischaracterizion of the batfam thoughts on dickkory in fic#anti dickbabs#<<<tagging that for the weirdo’s who can’t read#also for the weirdo’s who can’t read it says either do you know what that means it means dickbabs or dickory#because I like babs as a whole just not with dick#and I like the batfam#oh my god if you couldn’t tell this was about fanon and fandom shit#I don’t necessarily like either ship i just hate when ppl trash both in their fanfics#jesus christ
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FINALLY!! At long last, I've gotten my hands on a Pumpkin Kitty, after a whole year of wanting and waiting.
Her name is Latte! (Short for Miss Pumpkin Spice Latte) You can also call her Miss Spice!
#I spent 10 minutes picking her out omfg#not even exaggerating. I was deciding between this one and one of the last 3 unstuffed PKs#altogether there was only 5 of them left in the store including the 2 stuffed displays#the other one I was looking at had a nearly perfect pumpkin eye patch but less pumpkins overall#and their face wasn't as nice plus the ears were a bit wonky for my taste.#tho it was really hard to tell which would be better while they were unstuffed and flat#in the end I chose Latte because right away she looked to have a sweet face. her ears were nice and she had better patch placement#including a couple full patches on her tail#tbh if I'd had the money I might have bought both because the decision was hard#the bear builder actually asked if I was alright while I concentrated on studying each of those damn cats#I apologized and explained wtf was up with me. she was very understanding#I've always had this quirk where sometimes it'll take forever for me to pick between plushies I really want#especially if they're both the same exact plush. because then I gitta focus harder on finding out which has the better personality#you get what I mean?#anyways this has been a thing for me even as a real little kid#I remember spending and hour-hour and a half almost every time when my dad took me to choose my monthly webkinz#“my monthly webkinz” god that makes me sound so privileged. it was the nicest/best thing my dad could afford to get me because we were poor#he wanted to spoil me as all good fathers do but that was the most he could afford and I was always so grateful and still am! but I digress#anyways I took way too long to pick which kitty would become my Latte#but I'm glad I had the opportunity to choose yet alone to actually see pumpkin kitty irl available for purchase#what do you guys think of her?#stuffed animals#plushies#plushblr#build a bear#BAB#pumpkin kitty
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ask meme: 4 for send to all 👀 (replace “dialogue” with “email” probably)
4: What’s your favorite line of dialogue email?
this would probably have to be “guess i’ll die 👍” but i also had a lot of fun coming up with tim’s chaotic email drafts to kon.
it’s funny reading through send to all because there’s so much i just want to tweak and change. a lot of the emails feel just slightly worded wrong, or at least would be funnier if they were worded a little differently. i also wish i could do some of the lists differently. kory should be first on dick’s list, and babs should have told dick to remove her from the list entirely instead of moved from the #1 spot (not that i don’t think babs wouldn’t fuck dick in a sex pollen situation; she absolutely would, but she doesn’t need a form to confirm that).
also side note but i get many comments wishing tim’s list was included in the fic and while i admit that it would be good for narrative symmetry, i purposefully didn’t include it because let’s be real. we already know who is on the list. it’s kon, steph, and bernard (inform of identity? NO.). i did make the list and then put it in the fic during my early drafts, but i felt it just wasn’t funny because tim’s whole deal is that he’s struggling to even find people to include in such a list. so the choices felt so obvious that i think they don’t even need to visually be represented
send me a number + one of my fic titles
#ask meme#like the core four are probably also on tim’s list#but again you would expect that. what i tried to do was be a little unpredictable with each list#dick’s is deeply unserious (if he ever got sex pollened which by god i hope he has he could handle it himself)#and the dolly parton is the punchline there#babs has poison ivy on her list#jason of course does have fuck or die options. but it’s funny because he would rather die probably#and bruce’s is funny because he should have the whole rogue’s gallery and justice league on there but it’s just superman twice#anyway.
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If the Batfam were actually furries, what would their fursuits look like? What animal would they be? Would they stick to their normal vigilante colours or would they change it up? Would they have a full on suit or just the paws and ears? Or even a tail? Who would create art for their OCs and who would write it? I mean I feel like it's pretty safe to say that Jason would definitely write stories including his OC(s). Damian would probably create really nice art of them, Steph I can see drawing as well. Tbh they'd all easily be able to afford full on suits because of Bruce's money or their own. Whether Dick actually uses his own to buy or make his stuff, idk. Would this be one of the things he'd actually use Bruce's money to buy?
Idk this is just a thought. I think it would be quite fitting though considering half of them are literally bats and people always call Bruce a furry.
(Istg I absolutely love seeing all the different art pieces and suits people create and buy for their OCs, it's so freaking cool)
#dc#batfamily#bruce wayne#dick grayson#jason todd#stephanie brown#damian wayne#the batfam are furries and no one can change my mind#they would love attending cons and everything#also just imagine the play fights that would happen between them all#kinda just imagining tim and damian having a fight in one corner and jason and bruce in another#then there's steph and cass doing whatever tf they're doing#and watching it all happen is duke dick and babs literally just face palming and pretending they don't know them#it would probably be a good way to deal with the stress of their civilian jobs and being a vigilante#they can just hide behind a full mask and walk around in public spending so much money#completely ignoring their budget#not me literally forgetting that the word is fursona istg i knew oc wasn't right but i just couldn't remember what the word was#supposed to be
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apollo's blessing to babs is that he doesn't smite her for using the Oracle name without asking for his permission first LMAO (i say this as a joke, but i could genuinely imagine apollo saying this to babs when he visits her to test her character. babs resists the urge to roll her eyes or try to argue that she didn't HAVE a way to ask him/didn't know she had to ask in the first place. she's been holding her verbal own against this god; she isn't gonna screw it up now)
but jokes aside, i could see his blessing being related to the idea of that he's a god of knowledge (in the reasoning/self-knowledge kind of way) and supporting the idea that Oracle!babs is a tech expert/information broker. like an "anywhere the light touches, you'll be able to see" sort of thing. any time she's hacking into something and gets hit with a mental block, the connection comes a little faster and the block goes away. if there's a place she's trying to get a visual on, she'll be able to find a camera/microphone/whatever even if it seems near-impossible as long as it's a place under the sun (basically as long as it's not underground or hidden via magic/gods). she won't be prophetic, she still has to do the work to look and make the connections herself, but apollo greases the wheels and makes it go a little faster. + maybe he throws in some healing as a bonus because she impressed him, like she heals slightly faster than the average person
god yeah ive been thinking about the apollo/babs dynamic. i think it would be super interesting to go more into
i do like the blessing being knowledge related! i do think he wouldnt give her something insanely op like being actually prophetic or anything but him "greases the wheels" is really good! everything ur saying is honestly really good oml
sort of on a different tangent-
im unsure atm where this would take place in the pjo canon? if i want them to take place in the same universe - like if it is a possibility for the current demigods like percy, annabeth, etc... to run into any of the batkids? i think i might have it a bit connected, but then that brings into question where the Trials of Apollo fit into the DC timeline.
because pre-ToA!apollo and post-ToA!apollo are different. pre-apollo is more selfish, godly- despite being one of the more human-like gods he still sees humans as like,, toys. post-apollo has more of an understanding of them, understanding their plights and feelings because of that time spent as lester and with the CHB kids.
i feel like pre-ToA apollo might not have given babs that blessing the same way post-ToA apollo might have, but if i have ToA take place before babs becomes oracle, meaning before the killing joke and death in the family that kind of messes up some of the vibes i wanted to go for. percy is 17 in ToA, and (unsure if i DO want percy and the gang to be involved with the batkids in this au) i feel like he would be the same age or around the same age as jason, to me it makes a lot of sense to me- but if ToA happened before apollo offers babs the blessing that would make percy AT LEAST 2/3 years older than jason. so im not 100% sure on things. although percy as older than jason would be interesting.
or pre-toa apollo did it because it thought of babs as something cool he could play around with- use his blessing on her like a experiment or something idk D:::
#what would yall do if i told u i started working on a script for the apollo/babs meeting#barbara gordon#ashbox#the bat pjo au
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im fuming i NEED to chase tom taylor around with a calamansi-coated cheese grater
#WHAT THE FUCK MAN. WHAT THE FUCK. BABS WOULD NOT FUCKING DO THAT?????????#WE NEED TO IBONG ADARNA HIS ASS#dcposting#dc
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