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While this is true, I have to add that canonically doesn’t have the same natural affinity for combat as the others and he has worked very hard to get to where he is. He also still relies heavily on strategy rather than brute force. His victories are often more complex than simply beating his opponents in a fight. Sometimes it’s distracting them long enough for something else to happen, sometimes it’s escaping before he triggers an explosion bringing a building down on them, sometimes it’s manipulating someone else into taking his opponent down for him. Even when it is a simple physical fight he analyzes his opponent and his surroundings to create a plan and end the fight as soon as possible. The fight is over before its begun sometimes because he already knows exactly what he’s going to do to win and all that remains is the execution.

Also, when did he train with Ra’s? Ra’s was barely around in the Red Robin comics, he was basically hiding and telling Tim to do his job for him, at least until Tim betrayed him. If I’m missing a part of Tim’s training I’d love to know.

I hate when ppl make Tim the 'weakest' physical fighter of batfam,.

hes canonically the best Bo staff user in the dc and has got train training from some of the worlds best fighters that include (but arent limited to):

Batman, Nightwing, Alfred Pennyworth, Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Ra's Al Ghul and Batgirl 1/Oracle,

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And at this point in the comic Bruce is still lost in time, even though Tim has proved he’s alive so Bruce isn’t actually there to see him. I love the wording here too, “I know he’ll be proud” rather than “I hope he’ll be proud.” Tim’s relationship with Bruce, at least as it’s depicted in this series, is so stable. They understand one another, they don’t suffer from the miscommunication that the other Robins do. Tim knows he’d be proud but he also knows he wouldn’t say it but that doesn’t make him doubt Bruce or himself. Bruce doesn’t need to struggle to communicate with Tim because Tim understands even if he doesn’t know how to say it conventionally. Also he was definitely 17 in this comic, though 19 would make a lot more sense.

Sorry this is actually one of the most important Tim Drake moments to me!!! All he wants is to make Bruce proud!! He’s 19 and he just wants his dads approval at the end of the day!! He did his best and he deserves parental affection!!!

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Whenever the JL starts complaining about YJs public image YJ just straight up gaslights them

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Can we go back to when Superboy had zip to do with Lex Luthor? Plz? He was such a deep character and his creation was so much more morally confusing because like on one hand they were just trying to protect people but on the other hand they cloned someone without their consent after they died for the express purpose of making said clone become a weapon (even if they didn’t think of him as a weapon).

Isn’t that so much better!? And then add in Superman coming back and Superboy being pushed to the side and being thought of as like, redundant or unneeded. But he doesn’t hate anybody for what’s happening to him and literally no one involved had bad intentions but still the result is a kid alone in the world and trying to find his place when he had been created, shaped, molded, for a place that isn’t there anymore. No one was evil, no one wanted to hurt Superboy, but he was created in unfortunate circumstances and then he slipped through the cracks and no one felt it was their responsibility to parent him.

Like why would Lex even clone Superman? It’s completely out of character and goes against his goals? He distrusts Superman for having so much power. He’s racist against aliens and thinks humanity needs to stand on their own with out relying on someone who, in his mind, has no loyalty to them. He wants to make humans (himself) more powerful than Superman, no create another Superman under his control! Ughhhhhhh.

Can comics just rewind back to like right before 2000?

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YJ playing never have I ever 

Cissie goes never have I ever been experimented on by the government so Greta, Kon, and Bart put a finger down “Bart?? Hello??” “The futures fucked” “Called it” “Are you good?” “I mean I like pizza and not being stuck in a simulation sooo” “the future doesn’t have pizza??” “I know! Not having pizza is the absolute worst” 

Kon goes never have I ever had a mentor disregard my safety and everyone except Anita, Cassie, and Greta put a finger down “The joys of not having a mentor” “Hal lost it when he found out about last christmas” “Every time Diana realizes we’ve gone off planet she goes nuclear” “middle child, no one’s looking for me in the first place”

Cassie says never have I ever been betrayed by family members (biological or otherwise) so there’s a small argument over whether or not you should have to put a finger down for each betrayal “I’m just saying there’s a lot of speedsters” “I have like nine siblings on a technicality” “Do alternate versions of alleged biological relations count??” “🤓👆🏾AlLeGEd BiOlOgicAl ReLaTIoNs ” “stfu” “Can I add someone else’s alt to my list if they killed me?? Wait, Thad tried to kill me again last week” “Are we counting each person or each betrayal??” “I don’t have enough fingers for that” “fuck, me either” “I don’t have enough fingers for each person much less each time I was betrayed” 

Anita goes never have I ever had a family member attempt or succeed in killing me and everyone puts a finger down “so fuck me ig” “does prime count for us??” “yeah?? we’re family, stupid” “I feel targeted” “me too” “what if it was an accident??” “It still counts”

Tim goes never have I ever had to screw with time to meet family member(s) so Anita and Bart put down a finger “technically I didn’t-“ “you’re a speedster put your mf finger down” “fair” “they were babies, I didn’t meet shit” “they were your parents put your fucking-”

Greta goes never have I ever befriended people that tried to kill me multiple times and Tim and Bart put down a finger “it’s how we bond! This is slander” “Bart we’ve been to like six other timelines and dimensions where Thad kills you” “wait you said friend do I-“ “Pru” “listen that’s different” “Anarky??” “Klarion” “Azrael” “Lynx” “I also tried to kill you” “My fucking finger is down are you happy?” 

Bart goes never have I ever had a family that doesn’t want me around and everyone puts a finger down “look at us! Bonding” “I don’t think I was invited to thanksgiving last year” “ngl they have no idea how old I am” “I was accidentally added to the family group chat” “dude they added you??” 

Tim goes never have I ever had mommy issues resulting in everyone putting a finger down “??” “You do know you’re targeting yourself right??” “Bart put your finger down” “wtf why my mom loves me” “Emotional turmoil bc you can never see her again ergo mommy issues” “eRgO” “stfu” “Kon?? You don’t have a mom??” “My choices are Superman or Lex” “Yikes…” “Put another finger down”

[No one wins especially not the jl that walked in halfway through the game bc yj was having game night in a briefing room and gave absolutely zero notice]

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It’s almost 6 am and I have been doing this all night and finally gave up on sleep

This is the most relatable thing I’ve ever seen. Sleep hates me.

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Hi, I'm writing a research paper for my high school class about the correlation between speedsters and ADHD, and we're supposed to conduct primary research! Would you be okay w discussing this in DMs so I can gain info relating to your views on this topic :)

Totally! Though probably not right now as it’s the middle of the night for me and my brain isn’t on but send ur questions whenever!

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Usually I would reblog bsd stuff on my main but there is a great parallel here.

The difference between Jason and Bruce and their moral codes is that while I think the both understand this concept Jason decides that killing for reasons other that simply justice isn’t such a slippery slope. He doesn’t delude himself into thinking it’s morally superior to kill people, he just has personal reasons that outweigh that. His desire to kill the Joker is so incredibly personal, his line in the animated movie for utrh illustrates that perfectly “im not talking about the penguin, or dent im talking about him. Just him. Because he took me away from you.” (Or something that’s from memory may not be perfect but you know what I mean)

The other people he kills, the gang members and such, he doesn’t do it out of justice or because he sees them as morally reprehensible, but because he himself is a crime lord. It a business tactic. He does it to achieve his goal of taking over the Gotham underworld, it has nothing to do with who those people were. If he were asked to justify himself he wouldn’t because he knows it isn’t justifiable, it has nothing to do with justice and that’s a good thing. He kills for profit and to protect people, not because he believes himself above others but because he has a tangible reason to do so.

Bruce, on the other hand, cannot allow himself to kill as Batman because of the nature of the Bat. He is a force for justice completely separate from Bruce Wayne. Nothing Batman does is personal and everything is justified despite its obvious moral ambiguity. Bruce’s personality makes him incredibly susceptible to that slippery slope of justification and he knows it. That’s why he places such strict rules on himself. He doesn’t see killing as evil or irredeemable, he works alongside killers, Alfred has killed a lot of people, he just understands that he can never allow himself to kill anyone, directly or indirectly, because that would lead him down an even darker path.

Dazai and Odasaku have a fascinating connection I never noticed before, their views on killing for justice.

Dazai Osamu's entrance exam

He looked far off into the distance. “The phrase ‘seeking justice’ is a weapon. Once it hurts the weak, it can no longer be a force of good. This justice the Azure King sought was what killed Sasaki.”

The untold origins of the armed detective agency

“Justice,” said the hit man. “I can understand killing for money or because you hated someone, but they’re killing for justice. I don’t want to get involved with a group like that. After they’re done killing for their justice, they’ll only continue to kill. They’ll just stop caring who they’re killing.”

It's very interesting that two characters who both have no issue with killing people and have killed hundreds themselves see the incredible danger of "killing for justice"

Killing for greed, killing for revenge, killing for boredom... all of these are personal things, they stay focused on the person who's doing the killing, but if you kill because you think it's right, then you will seek out more people to kill unendingly "Their religion is heresy", "Their whole country is evil", "They don't respect my authority" and soon even people who have done nothing wrong are killed because "they could be a threat later"

The moment you justify killing, you can never stop, there will always be more criminals who deserve to die, and soon it won't matter if they deserved it or not.

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Damian: Santa’s not real.

Jason: Only because Tim and his friends KILLED him.

Tim: Oh for the love of- we didn’t kill him!

Jason: yeah we know, he died under “mysterious” circumstances.

Tim: It was a meteor!

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Bruce: Why are you two fighting?

Damian: Kent keeps insisting I’m a clone.

Clark: Jon now that’s not very nice.

Jon: But it’s true. He was made the same Connor was, and everyone calls him a clone.

Clark: Well it’s different-

Jon: How?

Bruce: Yeah Clark, how?

*Outside, ten minutes later, as Bruce and Clark argue*

Tim: This was the best idea we’ve ever had.

Kon: Totally.

Damian: Tt, I believe we are owed payment?

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thinking about that post of people assuming ao3 has an algorithm and also about how bonkers persistent the view is that ao3 is social media lite. like with startling regularity I get comments saying something along the lines of "it's probably weird to comment on a fic this old--" no it isn't!!!! this is an archive I am literally just assuming you searched for a selection of specific tags or sorted by kudos or looked back on my pseud or any other number of completely normal ways to use an archive site ?? kill the tiktok ghost in your brain and comment on old stuff it's NOT weird

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More Cissie re-draws! These have actually been done for a while but I forgot to post them 😭

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I hate it when beautiful people don’t realize they’re flirting! Raise your hand if you’ve been personally victimized by a Tim! (I’m kidding I love it. Only way a pretty girl is ever gonna flirt with me lmao)

Tim's the type of guy to accidentally flirt with someone.

"Oh you're cold? Here, take my hoodie. Oh, sure, you can keep it. I'll just buy a new one."

"I saw this rock and it made me think of you."

"Don't worry, I'll pay. No, seriously, it's fine."

Everyone thinks he's hella smooth but its actually just his lack of communication as a child coming back to haunt him

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Met this person irl, thought they were a fellow comics fan. Turns out he just watches movies and plays games and has no interest in comics. Sad part is that he’s an actor and a director and he looks like Jason Todd, my image of him anyway, AND he wants to make a movie and play Jason. I was excited. Then I figured out it’s all stupid male fantasy shit. Crushing disappointment.

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first painting in a WHILE but here's Anita!

tracked time: 4hrs 15min

main blog: batmanshole

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hey so we put your morally grey character in a fandom. yeah half the fanbase makes them into a perfect angel who did nothing wrong and the other half depicts them as a cartoonishly evil villain who hurts people for fun. no we dont know how to explain that people can do bad things for good reasons or good things for bad reasons. sorry man

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so yeah. this is a thing I found while scrolling at 3:47 am.