#Thor discourse

[thortwenty151]

almost all of Loki’s plans are extremely short-sighted and build on each other like a house of cards until they all fall down around him. He’s rarely two steps ahead of himself, and each decision is made based on how well the result will benefit Loki. Sometimes those decisions lead to him working for Thanos, sometimes they lead to him saving the people of Asgard. Loki isn’t really good or bad, he’s just Loki.

[curiositysavesthecat]

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[nostalgia-tblr]

i'm so ambivalent about frigga! on one had i think the MCU treated her very poorly and so fandom should build her up and give her some more 'oomph,' on the other hand what fandom has done with her also annoys me because it apparently decided she's the good parent to be contrasted with her husband even when they did the exact same things.

so i always have the urge to "support" her by making her problematic in one way or another. and strange. she deserves to be strange.

[worstloki]

My issue with Thor not ‘realizing’ why Loki was acting off in Avengers 1 isn’t that Thor didn’t recognise Loki was acting unlike himself—Thor did note that—or that Thor didn’t figure out what was wrong—he did try asking—it’s more along the lines of Thor giving up, and that he accepted Loki was bad now within two days while knowing something was off when Thor himself behaved just as bad for much longer before without any specific compromising event.

[cherriiramen]

I think you need to seek professional help if you actually ship thor and loki together

And I think ‘get help’ is a greatly overused and incredulously exaggerated term that people absolutely love to use when referring to the least ‘abnormal’ things that just didn’t fit their tastes. If you’re going to step up to me and prove that my taste in fiction is immoral and wrong, sick, twisted, whatever you name it, and that it makes me some spawn of Satan for indulging in it, then be more convincing about it. Be more mature. Use less cheaper words.

“They’re brothers!! Stop using the ‘theyre not blood related’ excuse!!” Oh I’m sorry I have to put it to you, on account of you yourself repeating the same excuse over and over again, of course there are going to be several people who will repeat again and again, what you seem to continuously miss, and what your surface-levelled half-witted brain seems to interpret as a disaster to humanity. And this cycle won’t ever stop until you miraculously learn to stop treating FICTIONAL ships, I repeat, FICTIONAL, between two FICTIONAL characters as a major problem to our society.

I think most of those who stuck by for a while now must have noticed that even when I do post ship art of ANY couple, it’s extremely rare that I even remotely go beyond soft/mild themes, and that way the drawings could easily be interpreted as platonic AND non-platonic, which you yourself would’ve easily noticed if you just stopped clowning around for a second. But of course, you like to behave like my blog is a terrorist organisation. Anyhow.

Move along, illiterate fool.

[lildoodlenoodle]

More and more I feel like large studios set up their more ‘woke’ and diverse projects up to fail.

[lokiinmediasideblog]

Salty Take

My hot take is that I think "Thor was parentified" HCs don't make sense. He's royalty? With servants and such? He doesn't cook or clean for Loki.

Also, if you are going to argue about that Thor trusted Loki so much therefore nearly starting a war in Jotunheim was not his fault and it's all on scheming Loki". That sounds A LOT like Loki had to clean up his messes. And speaks to the opposite of "parentification" and being the more sheltered of the two.

Also, the claim that he has "eldest daughter syndrome" when in cannon he's an "eldest son" has the same vibes as those people that claim Tony Stark/Bucky/Loki/etc is "female-coded."

As if society had the exact same expectations for an "eldest daughter" and "eldest son", and as if "eldest son" wasn't historically the most privileged familial position. If you're going to use "eldest daughter syndrome" use it on Hela.

And also, it reeks of those people that think younger siblings are privileged and the oppressors of older siblings.

[nerdby]

If Loki knowing about the Infinity Stones in the television series has been tripping you up, please go back and rewatch the first Avengers movie--

In the first Avengers film, Loki had two Infinity Stones in his possession while battling the Avengers. One of them is the space stone which was encased in the tesseract and the other was the mind stone which was encased in Loki's staff. The mind stone was given to Loki by Thanos because Thanos knew it would aid him in making Loki betray Thor and try to take over Earth. This is because the mind stone acting as a drug that would allow Thanos to control Loki's thoughts and actions.

Because, like it or not, Loki is not stronger than an Infinity Stone.

So if you're confused about how TVA!Loki knows about the Infinity Stones, the answer is simple--

Thanos told Loki about the Infinity Stone in his staff and about the other Stones in the first Avengers movie, but also failed to mention the effect the stone would have on Loki himself. So TVA!Loki would NOT have needed to live through the events of any of the post-2012 MCU films to know of the Stones' existence.

[overheaven]

stares wistfully out the window… this used to be the thorki website.

[musclesandhammering]

Actual take I just saw on here: If you criticise the Warriors 3 + Sif for their actions in the first Thor movie, you’re racist and sexist.

… What.

[thortwenty151]

Posts I want to write:

1. MCU!Thor’s hair as a reflection of his mental health (it’s more common than you might think!)

2. Comics!Thor’s casual alcoholism (PLAY DRUMS AND WAILING!)

3. Weird shit Thor has in his house

4. Endgame is not Thor’s Iron Man 3, it’s his Iron Man 2, ask me how (and it’s not for the reasons you might think)

5. Why Thor’s tentative character development in Love and Thunder makes the ending kind of troubling

Obviously feel free to shriek at me about any of these things in my asks or post or tags any time.

[criticalrolo]

folks i have put in the legwork to try to understand the jgy apologist side of the fandom since that seems to be So Many People... I thought that maybe the tv show elevated his crimes to make it a more black and white villain situation but then I read what he does in the novels and it is WAY WORSE... i literally feel like it's 2012 and people are writing loki-style apologism for "his childhood was very sad (extremely true it was horrible) and that's why the crimes are okay (the crimes are so so many murders and SA because his feelings and desires are more important than People's Lives)"

[nostalgia-tblr]

yeah idk about anyone else but i totally thought i was supposed to think odin found an abandoned baby and saved it by keeping it and that the "stolen relic" thing isn't actually true it's just that loki is having 'a bit of a bad day' and has, in fitting with the insecurities and feelings of second-bestness seen throughout the film, just jumped to the worst possible interpretation of events because well of course he was never going to be allowed to be king, and of course he must be objectively in some way lesser than Thor and everyone around him must have known this all along and this explains everything in a moment of extreme distress.

i thought that mostly because odin immediately faints into a much-needed beauty sleep before he can explain his side of things. he has been removed from the story so that the plot can continue, and so blatantly so. and so i do enjoy a good lauffey-was-wronged conspiracy theory (and can see why people would want to draw real-world parallels) but i also think that if those were the intended take then odin wouldn't have fallen asleep at the most inconvenient moment possible.

[worstloki]

oh god oh please not odin it's just a matter of time until frigga is here too

Upcoming discourse where people argue it’s more moral to bang a variant of your adoptee father than a girl version of yourself/your brother from another timeline

[udobo666]

Thor in Paris

[lokiinmediasideblog]

remember when thor tortured loki with the shock disc thingy while loki had spasms on the floor and it was played for laughs even though it's a horrifying thing to do. thor appeared to be enjoying himself doing that, it wasn't even "sorry brother but if I don't do this you'll betray me again" he was smiling and lecturing loki while he couldn't even speak back

Most people seem to focus on that scene and the one where Thor throws the can at Loki's face, but the scene that pisses me off is when he tries to kill Loki right after learning he's alive with the magical weapon that can kill non-squishy beings and only he can use, making jokes about his presumed dead brother right away. And to make matters worse, the dialogue implies Thor's done this before, which makes Thor look worse rather than "ehehe Thor's so clever now and can't be fooled by Loki" (the intended interpretation).

I'd not mind some confrontation, but the joke dialogue as Thor tries to kill him without even hearing him out makes Thor seem like he didn't give a shit Loki was dead. I think it adds context to why Loki might have tried to betray him in Sakaar. I had originally been like "Loki's trying to keep Thor from fighting Hela and dying." But there's also that vindictiveness/anger at Thor trying to kill him at the beginning of the movie.

Imagine you were left for dead after saving your brother's girlfriend and killing a dangerous enemy after a conga of traumatic events and the brother that supposedly mourned you tries to bash your face with Mjolnir the moment he realizes you're alive, and might have probably killed you had your secret sister not arrived. You try to talk to him but are repudiated for your attempts to make peace.

And yes, Loki tried to kill Thor in T1, but at least Loki had larger motives behind him (fearing Thor would kill him for being a Jotun) and he was crying and freaking out, which shows it was not an easy decision. The scene could have worked if the movie had not been allergic to moments of honesty and emotion.

I can make excuses for the disk use and can throwing such as:

1.They're not as squishy as us.

2.Loki was about to betray him.

But yea. Thor seems to enjoy using the disk on Loki WAY TOO MUCH. I can see why it'd upset Thor fans that prefer Thor 1&2 because he doesn't talk like the Thor from previous movies in either wording or sentiments/reactions.