#alastor is aro ace

[certifiablyinsanez]

Mammon is great ace representation: an essay on aphobia in the Hellaverse fandom

I’m seeing a lot of people be mad about Mammon having a thing for Leviathan. And I’m going to need the fandom to step back and examine these issues, because they are 100% rooted in aphobia. I have been out as an oriented aroace person for over 10 years if you want to doubt my credentials, rather than listen to my analysis, lived experience and reflect.

So. Tell me Hellaverse fandom; why, when it comes to Alastor, who is a character who very clearly has zero interest in others, it is always a chorus of people saying “aces can have sex”, “aces can enjoy sex”, “it’s not harmful to the ace community to use Alastor for shipping material, he isn’t real and asexuality and aromanticism is a huge spectrum”, “Aroace people can still date and have sex”?

But when it comes to Mammon, he is “bad asexual representation”, he “clearly experiences sexual attraction”, “he can’t be demisexual”, etc.

No genuinely, why is this? I want you to examine this, think on it from a place of neutral examination and come to your own conclusions. Because this is a worrisome double standard. This can for starters, be an instance of fat phobia. Because out of the two of them, Alastor is thin, and therefore closer to the beauty standard, which is hysterical considering that Alastor canonically has horrible hygiene, and I don’t think I know a single person who thinks that stank ass body and breath is attractive. Mammon, as seen from the slovenly way he eats, can potentially be assumed to have poor hygiene as well, but it has a very different connotation because of his weight. [Research the connection between thin privilege and body odor/hygiene. It’s very real].

I can spend a lot of time and energy going into the shipping dynamics between the shows, as well as how Alastor is a more “shippable” character in comparison to Mammon, but I honestly don’t find this as interesting or as compelling as to what I’m about to say next.

Because aphobia in the real world is still very alive and well today. In my 10+ years of being in the ace community, I have genuinely spent a lot of emotional energy, time, knowledge, experience, and compassion, just fighting for the right to even be acknowledged as queer. I have vivid memories from when I was first out of the closet at the age of 16, telling ace people across apps and forums that they were valid, that they weren’t broken, that they were deserving of love, respect, and a place in the queer community. I was telling people, younger, my age, and older that they shouldn’t kill themselves, that they had worth beyond what they could do in the bedroom for others. I had to convince people that they didn’t owe anyone sex, and that they were in fact being sexually abused by their partners. I was on the phone with people in tears. I spent HOURS of my life in these DMs at an age where I was a suffering, mentally ill queer child that was also being victimized by aphobia. Still to this day people think the “A” stands for ally. And still to this day people have discord about our community as a whole. I have had to sit and watch as people went from loudly proclaiming with their whole chest that asexual people didn’t exist, or at the very least weren’t queer. Then years went by and it became less and less okay to say things like that, because asexual people finally had fought long enough and had supported each other enough that we discovered our voices and began to use them. So people were finally facing the consequences of saying bigoted shit.

And now that they can’t say that asexuals aren’t queer, they moved on to another group. Demisexuals. Demisexuals by far have it roughest, because while there are many micro labels in our community to explain our diverse range of experiences, demisexual is probably the most well known one. And every handful of months or so I have to use my voice once again to stand up for my people, because an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, and people on the internet have made it clear that they have no qualms of attacking us. The asexual and aromantic community have made extremely valuable contributions to the queer community that are entirely overlooked because we are not valued in it.

And this is why I have been an outspoken proponent of my displeasure over Alastor being a character that is the most shipped with others, and my disdain for the fanbase has grown even wider after Mammons appearance in Mastermind. It is a painful reminder of all the discrimination I’ve faced over the years, that my community still goes through. Because people are contrarians. Alastor is canonically asexual, and other aspects of his character are reflective of aromanticism as well. Well, the fanbase doesn’t like this so much. If you genuinely pay attention, you’ll notice this is a trend with a lot of other aroace characters. My favorite example is Peridot from Steven Universe, a canonical aroace character. In the show, Peridot goes through a lot of unlearning and growth. The scene where she tries to fuse with Garnet has massive implications for a few reasons. Because one, she is genuine in her desire to understand Garnet, and fusion better. And two, fusion while forbidden on Homeworld, is commonplace and normal in the Crystal Gems. As a Crystal Gem, she feels this is what is now expected of her. This is a major experience in the aspec community, as living in a cis heteronormative society means that sex, marriage and children are all things expected of each individual, which is dangerous and harmful ideology to everyone, asexual/aromantic people as well. Peridot couldn’t go through with the fusion, but that didn’t stop the fandom salivating, and foaming at the mouth over a potential Lapis/Peridot fusion. People were genuinely mad at Rebecca Sugar for never making that pairing canon, when they had absolutely no right to behave the way they did. Let’s not forget how the fans also misgendered Rebecca Sugar constantly. It was absolutely bigoted.

This is happening with Alastor. Fans feel entitled to ship him with whomever, an entitlement that is not seen with other characters. When people ship Vaggie with Angel, there is backlash, and for good reason. Because people understand that despite the fact that Vivienne Medrano said people can ship whatever, shipping a gay man with a woman and a gay woman with a man is…gross. It is wrong, it is disrespectful of their identities, and is forcing heteronormativity onto characters that are strict in their sexualities. Most people are able to recognize the thinly veiled homophobia. But Alastor does not receive the same treatment, and in fact receives the opposite treatment. I don’t know what I could say to convince you that the aroace coded character in a show being the #1 most shipped is thinly veiled aphobia the same way Vaggie x Angel is thinly veiled homophobia.

Now what does that have to do with Mammon? Mammon seems to not be aroace coded like Alastor, and for some reason, that has thoroughly pissed people off. Because Mammon is not the “acceptable” caricature of an asexual person. Most allosexual (non-asexual and/or aromantic people) view being asexual as being synonymous with being aromantic, which shows a painful lack of understanding and at times respect for the diversity of our community. Alastor fits this category, so he’s an “acceptable asexual”, while also essentially being a toy for shippers. But Mammon, with his clear attraction to Leviathan, is a “bastardization” of the asexual image. When we aren’t being viewed as broken, we’re often being viewed as chaste, virginal, and innocent with attachments to infantilization. But Mammon, with his aggressive and even icky approach to flirting with Leviathan, is seen as a subversion of this, which for people who don’t understand our community, hate. And these people are blaming Vivienne for having “terrible ace rep” when in actuality, having multiple ace characters having very little in common is actually fantastic rep. Because there are many labels in our community that Mammon can fit into as an asexual. To me, he looks like a sex-positive, high libido, demisexual. He’s known Leviathan for thousands of years, of course it makes sense that he would be into her, but not into anyone else which would explain why his “posse” are just female robots. This could also be because of his classism, but I genuinely think that he’s just demisexual. And you already know how people feel about demisexuals.

If you’ve read this far and have genuinely set aside your biases and personal feelings like I requested in the beginning, I appreciate that. Because from my own lived experience, the double standard between Alastor and Mammon doesn’t annoy me; it frightens me.

Because what the fandom is actually saying when they do these things is this:

“We see you as a homogenous group. Your voices go in one ear and out the other. If you don’t conform to our values and standards, we won’t give you the respect or recognition you deserve. If you don’t conform to my view of your group, you lose my “allyship”. We do not see your identity as a sexuality in its own right, but rather a literary device we can play with. I do not care to learn more about your community, your culture, or your struggles. I barely (if at all) acknowledge you as your own sexual minority and marginalized group. I barely acknowledge (if at all) that you are queer at all. I do not care about your feelings about societal biases that I might carry, I don’t care about how you’ve lived it, because it takes away my fun and fantasies. Because I devalue your group as a whole, your voices mean little. Your narrative is mine to do with as I please.”

I really hope you can see my perspective and understand the sincere place this comes from. Thanks for reading.

[miitopia-cake]

me looking for ace/aro characters: lets go gambling!

[character's sex repulsion is used for jokes] aw dang it

[character is put in sexual situations despite disliking it] aw dang it

[character's identity is ignored by fandom] aw dang it

[characters creators sexualize them] aw dang it

[aro character gets 'fixed' by true love] aw dang it

[aro/ace character is literally an animal] aw dang it

[creator messes up definition of asexuality] aw dang it

[characters asexuality is never brought up in media] aw dang it

[thecommunalfoolboy]

It’s crazy how many people just don’t understand why a lot of aro and or ace people don’t like that Alaster gets shipped. It’s not that hard to understand we don’t have a lot to let ourselves lose. I mean can you name 10 asexual characters? 5? Can you name two aro characters. There’s the guy from Archie who they made have a sex scene in a movie version. There’s a few books. I think a background character in Heartstopper? Do you see the theme here??? You’re all queer people, do you not get it? How it feels to have nothing? Is it so wrong to be upset that there’s finally an outwardly aroace person in popular media and instead of people embracing that they’re fighting on the internet about why it’s ok to ignore it? And I will never in my fucking life have anything against the people who are aro and or ace and portray him in THEIR experiences, even if it is a romance or sex favorable experience, but it is obvious that way too many of you guys are allo and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t even like him as a character that much, he isn’t even made by an aroace artist. The show isn’t even that fucking good, I just want to keep someone like me for once in my life. If there were a million other aroace characters I wouldn’t care, but it just hurts seeing erasure coming from my own community. It just sucks, man, I don’t know. It just sucks

[stegosauricide]

#AceAlastorWeek2025 day 7: International asexuality day! As an allosexual, Alastor’s asexuality is still very important to me. I think that everyone deserves to be able to relate to a character. Happy asexuality day everyone :) 🖤🩶🤍💜

[viveela]

It must be weird to live so long that an integral part of himself is now accepted, he'll need more time to get there too

[diabloku]

Alastor's Valentine's day card ❤️‍🔥 🦌

Aroaces gotta aroace

[millenniumfae]

(Hazbin Hotel Live Q&A with Cast)

🟧🟨⬜️🟦🟪ft. Aro/Ace Alastor, The Radio Demon🟧🟨⬜️🟦🟪

[fanby-fckry]

I know Alastor canonically doesn’t know there’s even a name for his lack of sexual/romantic attraction, but can you imagine how much of a menace this man would be if he knew about ace community memes?

Aroace puns at every possible opportunity. He doesn’t like cake, but garlic bread would suddenly become a staple in every meal he cooks for the hotel. Denmark would be absolutely fucked.

[saytr]

HAPPY #AceAlastorWeek2024 AND ALSO ACE-WEEK! <3

[monarch-of-jack]

It's Valentine's day everyone

So let Alastor help you reject some Allos~

[certifiablyinsanez]

I’m going to say something that a LARGE, if not disproportionate, amount of the Hazbin fandom would absolutely drag me for. If you don’t like what I have to say here then move on.

Alastor is aro ace. You can argue till you’re blue in the face, it won’t change my mind. His identity is not respected. The entire fandom disregards this and even those who agree go on a tangent that aromanticism and asexuality are spectrums and that aro ace people can still date/have sex.

As an aro ace person in a relationship, respectfully, fuck off. I’ve been out for 10 years and in that time I have seen other queer people argue endlessly about the validity of our identities. To this day it’s still an argument. We’re told we aren’t queer, that we’re robotic, weird, missing something fundamentally human, etc. Aro ace rep in media is rare and as soon as we get some you guys suddenly jump on the bandwagon that we are in fact a spectrum while most of you completely miss the understanding and culture of the community. There are so many complexities and nuances in our identities that many outside don’t understand and can’t understand. In real life, we constantly have to experience “othering” and if we do date/have sex, well then suddenly we don’t apply to be aro ace. But when it’s a character that you all want to mess with, suddenly you “get it”. You don’t.

“Viv said we can do whatever as long as we’re respectful!” You aren’t. If you’re so convinced that we are a spectrum, then why does it seem like you can never believe he’s on the side of being entirely disinterested. Aro ace belittling is as strong as ever and I will speak up on it just as I always have.

Like I said before, dni if you’ve got a problem with this. I already have to deal with flak enough as it is.

[aspiringcorvidae]

actually my favorite Hazbin hotel ship is Alastor x Discovering he’s aroace

[vroomvroomwee]

This mama's boy is for the aspecs

[under-loch-n-key]

Here you go. More Radioapple art. They’re in dumb little T-shirts because I love that for them. Lol. 💛💛💛

(If you don’t ship, that’s okay. Just please no harassment in the comments aimed toward myself or other potential commenters, rebloggers, etc.)

Sincerely — an aroace person who’s getting exhausted of the toxicity of certain parts of this fandom.)

(Bro, I can’t believe I JUST realised after like a week or so after uploading this that I forgot to colour one of Alastor’s eyelids. 😭)

(Edit 2: fixed now! Lmao.)

Anywayssss, enjoy the dumb doodle of them. Lol. 💛💛💛

[imineffible]

Alastor textposts pt 17

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[astxrope]

Me casually abt to loose my mind again abt how fandoms seem to hate but also want more ace/aro rep.

Like 'oh we need more ace/aro rep!' and then proceed to draw/write/say the dirtiest shit about them.

'ace people can still have s-x! aro people can still date!' shut up for two seconds please it's nkt about that it's about the blatant disregard of sexualities. I KNOW they are fictional charactersbut if you can't even tolerate someone who doesn't exist's orientation how tf are you going to react when you meet a ace/aro person irl?

And, of course, 90% of the people making those ship stuff AREN'T ACE/ARO.

You're nkt scared of aro/ace rep. You're just a wanke- (/ref)