#pwosddid

[clemponie]

　 　 　 　　 　iNTRO :P

NAME: CLEMENTiNE!!

NiCKNAME(S): LiGHTBULB, LiGHTY!!

PRNS: SHE YiP BUG iT!!

ORIENTATION: UNLABELED SAPPHiC GXRL!!

　 　 　 　　 　iNTERESTS

MUSiC: CARAVAN PLACE, VYLET PONY, MAiLPUP, AYESHA EROTiCA, MiLLiONARES!!

OTHER: MAKiNG BRACELETS, WATCHiNG CARTOONS, SLEEPiNG, TALKiNG 2 MY FRiENDZ!!

　　 　　　　 　XTRA

iM A SYSTM!!!! XCEPT MY HEADMATEZ WNT POST HERE !!

ANTi ENDO !!!!!! ENDOS DNi PLZ

iM THE HOST OF A SUBSYS !!

iM A FiCTiVE!! i DONT CARE iF U TREAT ME LiKE SOURCE BCZ i AM HER!!! RAA

@flowerpopic iS THE BEZT BFF EVR!!!!!! 💛💜 ^_^ >_<

[endersdead]

question for systems & pwDID/OSDD: does anyone else feel really uncomfortable with people using they/them pronouns for you? ive always felt weird about it but im wondering if its a system thing or just a trans thing lol

[lemony-ink]

Reminder for disabled people in general but mainly pwOSDDID/systems:

people faking a disorder aren't scared that they're faking, you are valid and you are real.

[ghost-jester-sys]

us: endos harm us and other systems/pwOSDDID

some dude: nuh uh we do nice stuff

GOOD JOB U IGNORED EVERYTHING I SAID!

[systeminquiry]

What is a 'system'?

been seeing a lot of discussion about what it means to be a system and wanted to compile some research on the term's origins and medical usage.

The earliest use of "system" I could in reference to one individual with multiple parts was in 1988, in Phenomenology and Treatment of Extremely Complex Multiple Personality Disorder (Kluft, 1988).

The earliest use of 'system' on Pluralpedia and in plural communities December 1990 issue of the Many Voices newsletter - the newsletter's subtitle is "Words of Hope for Clients with MPD and Dissociative Disorders," but I'll address that later on.

As seen above, the first reference to a system of alters was before the newsletter in 1988 and explains that "as children [the patients] had been so bombarded with outrages that they had not been able to develop a cohesive and comprehensive system of alters," showing why and when systems form (repeated trauma in childhood).

What we can take from this is that the term 'system' as is now used in reference to multiplicity/plurality originated from MPD/DID treatment circles (Kluft, 1988). The term has been taken in the past years, by people who identify as plural or multiple but did not experience repeated early trauma, in an attempt to de-medicalize the word to apply it to their own experiences - fundamentally misunderstanding the process through which systems form and speaking over pwOSDDID in the process.

It's interesting to me that the purported earliest usage of 'system' was in a newsletter for people with dissociative disorders; the subtitle at the top of the page is "Words of Hope for Clients with MPD and Dissociative Disorders" - this and the contents of the newsletter ( indicate that this is for people struggling with the results of trauma and recovering from MPD/DID (Telling Others Our Secret, 1990). This newsletter is the first use of 'system' cited on Pluralpedia and elsewhere. Based on the research above, however, this is not the case.

'System' was used in the treatment of Dissociative Identity Disorder before non-disabled plurals adopted an oversimplified version of it.

Preferable alternatives include "plural," "multiple," and other terms that were not already in use for disabled people in need of medical treatment.

Sources below the cut

Kluft, R. P. (1988). The phenomenology and treatment of extremely complex multiple personality disorder. Dissociation: Progress in the Dissociative Disorders, 1(4), 49–50.

Telling Others Our Secret. (1990). Many Voices, 144(12), 8 https://manyvoicespress.org/backissues-pdf/1990_12.pdf

[certainlythewolverine]

anti endos when some pwOSDDID want a community and support but DONT wanna go around telling everyone on the internet they have severe childhood trauma: 😡😡😡

Bruv, endos are the ones that say they have no trauma. Also, it doesn't always have to be childhood trauma, although that is the most common case, as children can't cope with stressful situations. (I'm only saying it's not strictly a childhood disorder, because we have no exact idea of what ages this typically forms yet.)

I suggest you do more research before complaining.

Endos claim to 'not be traumatized.' Many of them say they have 'plural dysmorphia' and that they 'want to be abused' to become plural.

Not all systems disclose the fact they have trauma or what type of trauma, like us, and some of the people with actual plurality who claim to be endos are also obviously in denial and need help, from experience, as someone who was previously groomed into thinking we were an endo system.

Endos take resources, not PK, or TP, or SP, I'm talking about therapists. They want to get diagnosed for something they do not have, while actual systems struggle to find a therapist who understands plurality.

[narrator-navigator-storyteller]

Okay. I know this is going to sound loaded, but I promise that I am asking this question out of genuine curiosity and not malice. I'm going to be upfront in that I likely won't change any of my long-standing opinions on the endogenic community, and I definitively will not change my opinion on OSDDID as a disorder, but I think information is valuable.

So, question for endogenics who label their plurality as spiritual in origin:

What spirituality do you follow? If it is a created one by yourself, what inspirations did you take? (To note: My culture practices what could be defined as spiritual multiplicity, I genuinely just like hearing about similar things.)

What connections can you make between this spirituality and the experience of a person with OSDD-1 or DID? Are there any beyond the idea of being 'multiple'? If not, how do you navigate this with the fact that, even in functional multiplicity, a pwOSDDID is taught to think of themself as multiple parts of one person?

Is there a specific reason that you want to associate with pwOSDDID, and not just other spiritual plurals, who would likely understand your experiences better?

Bonus, if you also have OSDDID, how do you personally differentiate the two, assuming that one is a spiritual creation and the other is a part formed from trauma?

[lifeafterpsychiatry]

Also!! I think it's unfortunate that a lot of OSDDID spaces focus on the validity or lack thereof of endo systems :(

I think it's important for pwOSDDID to have their own spaces because 1) again OSDDID ≠ plurality for everyone because many pwOSDDID perceive themselves as multiple distinct parts of one whole person and 2) OSDDID and non-trauma parts experiences would be different (not to say that endogenic systems can't experience trauma!!), but at the same time, in those spaces I wish we focused more on recovery and sharing coping things and positive words other than "you're valid (unless you identify with ANYTHING other than traumagenic) that worked for us than on how valid or invalid endos are?? I dunno :(

Yeah like I fully support the existence of DID specific communities and conversations, but it sucks when the main event is discourse about how Invalid and Fake all endogenic systems supposedly are. Like it's entirely possible to validate and support people with DID without making it all about how much endos suck?

[mtmdirk]

can you make a term for systems that colectivly identify as panromatnic lesbian

panro-lesbian&

a system or a pwOSDDID (or UDD) that collectively identifies as a panromantic lesbian

stripes can mean whatever, peace n love on planet lesbian&

text: singlets + endos don't use my sys terms

[bullshitcourse]

AMAB pwOSDDID can have alters who are ftm or transmasc.

AFAB pwOSDDID can have alters who are mtf or transfem.

That's just facts.

[therianconfessionsblog]

hi prev anon about CLCZ and OSDDID. I think you were misinterpreting what the other anon was saying. They weren’t trying to say that pwOSDDID were making their illnesses worse by having a community — infact quite the opposite, although I understand why it could be interpreted that way because I admit it took me a few read-throughs to fully get it. The anon was making an absurd claim as an example of why the notion of “encouraging delusions” was ridiculous, because it would be ridiculous if anyone sincerely claimed that being nice to pwOSDDID was “encouraging dissociation” , same as how it is ridiculous now that being nice and respectful to pwCLCZ is considered “encouraging delusions”. I hope this makes sense. I don’t think the anon was trying to say that as a sincere claim , just a hypothetical.. basically “we don’t do this to these communities, why the double standard with pwCLCZ and other delusion disorders?”

very tired right now so I hope this makes sense. i find it funny we are all having conversations and arguments thru the poor Therian Confessions account though lmfao

-🦮🌓 / moondog

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[ocpder]

PSA to pwOSDDID

This person on tiktok (Dahlia Bradshaw) is spreading misinformation about OSDDID and blocked me after I told them how disrespectful and ableist they are for comparing and involving DID with matrix and consciousness conspiracy theories. If you have OSDDID and come across their video, please educate them and let them know this is harmful and stigmatizes our disorder. They think it's okay to spread this even when people with OSDDID tell them it's wrong and they need to stop.

They claim that they are not receiving any negative feedback, except they are, and they are just blocking people who tell them this is wrong. BTW, just because no one with OSDDID found your post and criticized you yet, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS OKAY.

OSDDID is NOT part of a conspiracy theory.

OSDDID is a real condition and you are spreading stigma whether or not you are purposely doing it.

Saying that you did not mean to be ableist and disrespectful does not mean you are not ableist and disrespectful.

If anyone could educate this person, it would greatly help our community, although be warned that this person is probably not looking to hear anything from the perspective of those who actually suffer from OSDDID.

[steence]

if being posted on syscringe makes u upset then maybe dont claim they’re talking over ‘systems’ when infact all we do is spread information in order to get rid of misinformation :-)

i've seen people on syscringe unironically claim that pwOSDDID's alters only want to kill them and are all evil. and ive seen many people claim the disorder isn't real. my jokes on there used to get hundreds of likes i was DEEP in anon.

[pigeonsyscourse]

1. We're not Endo, but are in a mixed space. The mixed space were in is very much pro-plural but people there do talk about the difficulties associated with their plurality and the disordered systems will often talk about their symptoms and be accepted. I understand that this specific Endo space, especially if it's only endo systems allowed rather than just being a proendo space, may be different.

2. Did they say DID/OSDD, or did they say plurality? Those are different things (however DID and OSDD will often cause the person with the condition to be plural. Some pwOSDDID do not identify as plural and many plurals do not meet the diagnostic criteria for either disorder

3. Lots of Endo systems experience distress about being blurry. This person you spoke to is erasing the experiences of many Endo systems.

4. Yep! If a system, regardless of origin, does not experience distress or dissocation, then they don't have did. If they claim to speak for DID then that's not something they have experience of. Plurality is more than just DID though.

I can’t fucking. Get over the time an ex-end0 made a post about how in end0 spaces they frame DID/OSDD as only positive “I have friends in my head ^0^” vibes and ridiculed and was aggressive towards people who were, ya know, actually affected by the disorder for “ruining the fun”.

And.

And an End0 made a comment on that post like saying that end0 did and trauma did aren’t the same thing because endo did doesn’t have any negatives. Like. That they didn’t have dissociation. Or panic attacks about not knowing who they are. Or literally any negative you can think of.

They were saying. That end0s. Don’t experience did symptoms.

Wouldn’t that make it.

An entirely different thing.

That you shouldn’t be using did/osdd terms with.

-Admin + Pearl + Skrungled

[lifeafterpsychiatry]

honestly, in the end, endogenic systems...really don't matter in the grand scheme of things when it comes to DID imo. not in a bad way, in a neutral sense. i find myself being endo-neutral because honestly i just want to focus on myself and my own recovery. why focus on what's going on in other people's heads when i can't know anyway and i have enough BS going on in my own, y'know? if you tell me you experience plurality and it's not caused by chronic childhood trauma, who am i to tell you "actually, no, you're less 'valid' than me and those like me"? that just feels. weird to me. especially because i so often feel like i'm alienated from the community despite being a pwDID who doesn't feel plural or multiple.

pwOSDDID do need their own spaces but people are really vile about it.

Yeah that's valid honestly like why not just focus on the people who do have DID and let everyone else be? Because I fully support DID specific communities and resources. I don't think it's all "basically the same thing". But the discourse is honestly ridiculous

[positivitycombopack]

Surprise! Art Challenge!

I’m sorry it’s so late in the day - made the choice to stop doing system stuff at work (and forgot I planned this)

But! Starting tomorrow, I have a 30 day art challenge for all y’all with DID! (I may even participate myself).

This challenge is for all systems who want to participate! Take it at your own pace - the goal is to just get through all 30 pictures. Draw however you interpret the prompt - even if you don’t experience x y or z, how do you feel about it? Think outside the box!

Added Challenge: Use the Bastard System’s DID flag as a palette challenge on top of this one!

The Prompts:

Day 1: Inner World

Day 2: Alters

Day 3: Dissociation

Day 4: Co-Fronting

Day 5: Switching

Day 6: Child

Day 7: Blurry

Day 8: Dream

Day 9: Group Portrait

Day 10: DID Emoji

Day 11: Survivor

Day 12: Therapy

Day 13: Support

Day 14: Trauma

Day 15: Break! (Halfway done - either use the word as a prompt, or draw whatever you want!)

Day 16: Splitting

Day 17: The Front

Day 18: Parts

Day 19: Disordered

Day 20: Time Loss

Day 21: Fusion

Day 22: Functional

Day 23: In-Sys

Day 24: Roles

Day 25: Singlet

Day 26: Media

Day 27: Research

Day 28: Community

Day 29: Healing

Day 30: Growth