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randomfoggytiger · 2 months

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Kibbe Body Types, Part 1: Gillian Anderson

Building off of the Kibbe Body Types primer post here, we jump straight into Gillian Anderson of The X-Files fame.

David's up next, don't you worry! I'm tackling GA first because I have ample information to fact and figure my way through the system (and because it's slim pickings finding fashion advice for men's body types); and thought I'd get the convoluted, detailed analysis out of the way on this post so we don't retrace our steps in the next.

Onwards~

**Note**: If you want to skip right down to Gillian, search for Gillian Anderson: the Results header.

KIBBE BODY TYPES: A SHORT SUMMARY

(You can skip this section if you just want to know Gillian's frame, proportions, and Kibbe Type-- no sweat off my back.)

David Kibbe constructed a system that measures the soft and structure, short and tall, wide and narrow, yin and yang of the body frame: its skeleton, its curves, its musculature, and its fleshiness. It's strictly a practical science that explains how best to dress to balance out one's natural features, regardless of weight gain, weight loss, or aging. This system is not about correcting the "flaws" of a person's body, but understanding why a garment, accessory, etc. does or does not naturally suit the lines of the body.

Kibbe used to have 13 types (that included pure Natural, pure Classic, and pure Gamine) but recently winnowed them down to ten.

(**Note**: I have written about them in more detail-- with pictures included-- in my previous post mentioned above. Highly recommend.)

(Credit to: Aly Art)

Dramatics have the most yang of the body types: tall, lean, and narrow vertical lines, with the least amount of softness to their flesh ("fleshiness."). They have long bones and sharp curves that are best accommodated by long, clean lines and long silhouettes (no color blocking.) Their hair looks best in clean, carefully styled lines-- geometrics, blunt cuts, etc.-- without too much of a wispy or tousled appearance. They do best without waist emphasis or shorter lines in their outfits, appearing to advantage in long, boxy silhouettes.

Soft Dramatics have the Dramatic Type structure with added softness to their curves, giving them a full-bodied, "heavy" voluptuousness (as opposed to a delicate weightlessness.) They look better in soft but weighty fabrics, with big, rounded silhouettes and lines that curve around their figure and emphasize their waist. Again, like Dramatics, they need carefully styled hairs, looking undone tousled hair or too much wispiness.

Flamboyant Naturals are midsize to very tall, with width and bluntness to their elongated frames. Their very pronounced wide shoulders and narrow waist and hips create an unmistakable T-shape (and have been the sought-after body type for runway supermodels since the 90s.) They look their best in big, oversized, relaxed fits; big, tousled, crazy hair; long, vertical lines without color blocking. Nothing too stiff or too delicate and weightless.

Soft Naturals are normally midsize to slightly smaller, with wide, blunt edges to their elongated bones. Their more proportionate frames and softer flesh on their arms and legs help them appear more "womanly" than FNs. Slightly tousled, slightly crazy hair; a slight waist emphasis; and long, unconstructed lines layered with different fits, patterns, and colors look best on them-- "feminine undone", in other words. Anything too stiff make them appear "heavier" than they are.

Dramatic Classics are midsize to tall, with a very balanced, symmetrical frame proportionate to their length and width. They have a touch more yang to their skeleton: a bit more sharpness in their bones, a bit squarish in the face and shoulders. Clean, symmetrical, sharply tailored outfits look best on them; and they are able to mix the angularity of men's and femininity of women's styles if they keep their lines in the right places. Hair is incredibly important to maintain-- keeping their dead ends cut regularly is a must.

Soft Classics are midsize to petite, with a very balanced, symmetrical frame proportionate to their length and width. They have a touch more yin to their skeleton: a bit more softness to their flesh, a bit more roundness to their proportionate edges. Symmetrical, clean, "every hair in place" look is best for them; with a touch of yin to balance the touch of softness in their flesh. Well-tailored, lightweight fabrics and polished hairstyles look best on them-- not too stiff, not too delicate; not too tousled, not too structured, not too layered. Hair is incredibly important to maintain-- it makes or breaks their look.

Flamboyant Gamines are midsize to tallish, an uneven mixture of opposites with a predominant yang majority. They have a smallish, rectangular figure-- small Dramatics (without the long vertical line.) "Tailored, color blocks, irregular shapes, mishmash-- they can mix whatever they want." Hair can be in any shape or style they want, unless it is long; in which case, it must be "crazy." Their waist does not need to be emphasized; and cropped lines will always look good.

Soft Gamines are petite, an uneven mixture of opposites with a predominant yin majority. They are small and rounded, often feeling awkward, puffy, or overweight (when they are not) in super feminine lines: their bone structure is slightly too angular-- though still fleshy-- to be comfortable in completely yin fits. Lines should be crips, color blocked, with waist emphasis: "puffy things with very precise ends." It's best when clothes are fitted at the neck or shoulders or elbows or wrist or waist or hips or knees or ankles; and in between those points, the material can be relaxed, with gathers or looser knitting. "Feminine or weightless things should have added weight: color blocking, bright colors, etc. Hairstyles that are feminine and tousled look best. Cropped lines will always work best.

Romantics have the most yin of the body types: midsize to petite, with a very curvy, "lush", feminine "fleshy" roundness. Their bones are short and slightly wide; but still appear delicate. "They look best with waist emphasis, weightless fabrics, and gentle silhouettes. Gentle colors, slightly transparent fabrics or lace, flowers, gentle ruffles-- everything that is weightless and not super stiff. Same with hair: something that will still have body and some femininity-- curly hair, wavy hair... if straight, it can be slightly longer. Delicate things should present in their look."

Theatrical Romantics are midsize to petite; and are "the same as Romantic but with thinner bones. They are still short, but thinner. They are not as wide-- imagine a narrow hourglass-- small hands, thin fingers. They look best in small, ornate, and sophisticated clothes."

BEGINNING OUR PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

I'm going to be using Aly Art's body type quiz (here); and pictures from her and Merriam Style's quiz (here.)

David Kibbe is adamant that height be factored into the body types-- women's bodies, particularly-- so we shall begin our journey there.

Dramatics: 5’9"/173cm and up

Soft Dramatics: 5’7”/170cm and up

Theatrical Naturals: 5’11”/180cm and up

Soft Naturals: 5’5”/165cm and up

Dramatic Classics: 5’5”-5’8”/166-172cm or thereabouts

Soft Classics: 5’5"-5'6”/164-169cm

Romantics: 5’5"/166cm or thereabouts

Theatrical Romantics: 5’2”/157cm or thereabouts

Flamboyant Gamines: 5’6”/168cm and under

Soft Gamines: 5’2”/157cm or thereabouts

As we can see, Gillian at 5'2" can only fit into Gamines, Romantics, or perhaps Classics. We shall see how this shakes out.

TAKING A (SHORTENED) KIBBE BODY TYPE QUIZ

The purpose of David Kibbe's body type quiz is (or was) to identify the visual weight-- the presence or gravitas-- of the bone structure. To loosely quote Merriam Style: "The first thing we want to think about when we think about bone structure: are the bones longer-- offering a lot of structure to bear up visual "weight"-- or are they smaller and shorter-- offering less support for heavier visual weights?"

An overall view is crucial: two body types can share nearly identical faces; or one person can have a lot of yang in their facial features but have dominant yin in the rest of their body; or any other disastrous event can happen that will topple the whole franchise.

We're eliminating B options from this list (as they pertain strictly to Natural Body Types), as well as two questions in Kibbe's original quiz (which he has either loosened or tightened restrictions on, respectively.)

Question 1 - Shoulders

A's shoulders are long, narrow, and sharp

C's shoulders are symmetrical, even, proportionate to the body

D's shoulders are sloped, narrow, tapered

E's shoulders are sloped and rounded

Question 2 - Arms and Legs

A's arms and legs: elongated and narrow

C's arms and legs: moderate, in even proportion to height and upper torso

D's arms and legs: small, slightly shortish

E's arms and legs: very short in proportion to height and upper torso

Question 3 - Hands and Feet

(A top left; C top right; D bottom left; E bottom right)

A's hands and feet are long and narrow

C's hands and feet are moderate-- not too narrow, not too blunt, not too long, not too short, not too pointed

D's hands and feet are small, narrow, and delicate

E's hands and feet are small and slightly wide

Question 4 - The Overall Shape of the Body

A is elongated, lean, and sinewy

C is symmetrical, evenly proportioned

D is very short, delicate, and softly narrow

E is very short, delicate, and softly wide

Question 5 - Bust and Torso

A's bust and torso are flat and taut; and tend to stay flat even with weight gain

C bust and torso are moderate, in even proportion to their waist and hips

D's bust is shapely, curved, and more prominent than my waistline; torso is short and collects more flesh when gaining weight.

E bust and torso is very prominent and lushly curved, no matter their weight.

Question 6 - Waistline

A's waistline is elongated, but "boyishly" tapered

C's waistline is moderate, slightly defined, and not overly cinched

D's waistline is very small in proportion to their bust and hips

E's waistline is softly defined, but tends to be slightly wide

Question 7 - Hipline

A's hipline is tapered, straight, "boyishly" narrow

C's hipline is moderate, in even proportion to bust and waistline

D's hipline is shapely and rounded, more pronounced than waistline

E's hipline is softly rounded and wide, no matter their weight

Question 8 - Upper Arm and Thigh Flesh

A's fleshiness is long, lithe, and sinewy

C’s fleshiness is moderate

D’s fleshiness is soft, slightly short

E’s fleshiness is very soft, slidely wide, fleshy

Question 9 - Jawline

A's jawline is sharp-- either very pointed, very prominent, or very square

C’s jawline is moderate, symmetrical, not very sharp or rounded

D’s jawline is delicate, tapered, or slightly narrow

E’s jawline is rounded or softly wide

Question 10 - Nose

A's nose is sharp and prominent

C’s nose is moderate-- not very rounded, not very sharp, not very blunt

D’s nose is delicate, tapered, narrow

E’s nose rounded or softly wide

Question 11 - Cheekbones

A's cheekbones are high, prominent

C’s cheekbones are symmetrical, moderate

D’s cheekbones are delicate, narrowed, slightly rounded

E’s cheekbones are rounded

Question 14 - Cheeks

A's cheek softness is taut and flat, even with excess weight

C’s cheek softness is moderate, soft, but not puffy

D’s cheek softness is soft and fleshy; may get “full” with excess weight

E’s cheek softness is very soft, very fleshy, very round; even without weight fluctuation

Question 12 - Eyes

A's eyes are narrow, straight, closely spaced, or almond-shaped

C’s eyes are evenly spaced, symmetrical, moderate sized

D’s eyes are rounded, slightly close together, possibly almond-shaped or up-turned

E’s eyes are very round and very large

Question 13 - Lips

A's are narrow, straight, or thin

C’s lips are moderately shaped, neither too thin or too full

D’s lips are slightly full and rounded

E’s lips are very full, very rounded, very luscious

Results

Majority Cs points to the Classic Body Types (Kibbe no longer stands by this pure classification)

Majority Cs with several As or Bs points to Dramatic Classic Body Types

Majority Cs with several Ds or Es points to Soft Classic Body Types

Majority Es points to the Romantic Body Types

Majority Es or Ds with several As points to Theatrical Romantic Body Types, or Majority Ds

Majority As and Es points to Gamine Body Types (Kibbe no longer stands by this pure classification)

Majority As and Es with several Bs points to Flamboyant Gamine Body Types

Majority As and Es with several Ds point to Soft Gamine

Gilian Anderson: the Results

Gillian has an overall short, delicate, softly narrow body (D): moderate shoulders (C); small, slightly shortish arms and legs (D); small, narrow, delicate hands and feet (D); a bust and torso in even proportion to her waist and hips (C); a proportionate hipline and waistline (C); delicate, tapered jawline (D); soft and slightly short fleshy arms and thighs (D); delicately rounded cheekbones (D) and cheeks (D); delicately tapered nose (D); very round, very large eyes (E); and very full, rounded, luscious lips (E).

In summary, GA has 8 Ds, 4 Cs, and 2 Es.

Thus, we can conclude Gillian Anderson is a majoirty D type, meaning she is a Theatrical Romantic: delicate, petite bone structure with a touch of yang that narrows the soft width of her features. She looks best in waist-emphasis outfits; small, delicate patterns; and carefully groomed, softened hairstyles.

THEATRICAL ROMANTIC DESCRIPTION

Here is a transcription of David Kibbe's book I've taken from Aly Art's video here:

I'm going to read you the full description of the Theatrical Romantic Body Type by Kibbe from the book Metamorphosis....

Note: The following information should be taken as a broad outline of what makes a Theatrical Romantic. It is the overall combination of extreme yin with a slight yang undercurrent that creates this image identity category....

It is a delicately radiant physicality that is combined with the powerfully magnetic essence. Height: normally moderate to petite, usually 5'5" and under. Body type: soft and voluptuous, although trim and smallish as opposed to wide and "bulky." Hourglass figure-- curvy bustline and hips with a waspish waist. Soft or fleshy arms and legs. Bone structure: small and delicate. Slightly sharp edges: shoulders, jawline, cheekbones, or nose. Small hands and feet (in proportion to height.) Facial bones are small, delicate, and slightly sharp. Facial features: soft and lush. Large, luminous eyes-- sometimes slightly upturned, sometimes slightly "bedroom." Full, luscious lips; soft cheeks. Hair: soft and luxurious to the touch, maybe very silky and wispy or thick and wavy, curly. Coloring: any coloring is possible-- warm or cool, high contrast or blended-- but a Theatrical Romantic usually is quite vivid with a delicate complexion that is luminous or translucent. If overweight, the figure will remain hourglass with a defined waist. Upper arms, thighs, and face will become quite fleshy. Theatrical Romantic will normally not be extremely tall; have large, wide bones; have large hands and feet; have extremely prominent facial bones or features; have a "boyishly" straight figure devoid of a defined waist.

What's interesting about Gillian is that she is one of the rarer Theatrical Romantics-- one without a huge bust (which is one of the too oft used hallmarks of both Romantic Types.) Again, further proof that the whole must be taken into account instead of just a glance and a guess.

Other Theatrical Romantic women include: Ann Margret, Heidi Lamar, Jada Pinkett Smith, Jane Seymor, Jean Harlowe, Mila Kunis, Morgan Fairchild, Salma Hayek, Selena Gomez, and Vivian Leigh.

COMPARING THEATRICAL ROMANTICS TO OTHER TYPES

I'm going to be heavily quoting Aly Art throughout, as it will save me a lot of time and mental energy.

Dramatics

Theatrical Romantics are the second softest of all the types, with yang "drama" of their frame only differentiating it slightly from pure Romantics.

Dramatics, however, are the most yang of all the types-- "more elongated, more angular, more square and more sharp" in each angle of their silhouette.

Soft Dramatics have the sharper, elongated bones of the Dramatics-- again, making TRs appear shorter in their height and limbs-- but with layer of soft flesh overlaying their silhouette. While "fleshier" than Dramatics, they will still "appear heavier, bigger, or more pronounced."

(Left Photo: TR Gillian Anderson, left; D Cate Blanchett, right.

Right Photo: SD Christian Bale, left; TR Gillian Anderson, right.)

Naturals

Flamboyant Naturals and Theatrical Romantics are very, very different. "Flamboyant Naturals look taller because of their longer vertical line, and they consist of blunt edges-- more squarish shoulders, more squarish figure. Even when they have a waist (sometimes)... you perceive them as straight, not... as curvy women. When you look at Theatrical Romantics, you perceive them as curvy women" (even if their actual measurement ratios happen to be less curvaceous than a fellow FN.) "Theatrical Romantics look shorter...."

"Soft Naturals are slightly wider in bones-- in their face, in their body, in their ribcage sometimes, in their hip area sometimes. They look a bit stronger and a bit taller; and with this blunt bone structure they have a softness on top. Theatrical Romantics have thin bones and are shorter; but on top of that, they have lush roundness."

(Left Photo: FN Amy Adams, left; TR Gillian Anderson, right.

Right Photo: SN Helen Mirren, left; TR Gillian Anderson, right.)

Classics

Soft Classics share softness in common with Theatrical Romantics; but Soft Classic looks much more moderate.... Doesn't look as short or petite" (even if the Theatrical Romantic isn't a petite 5'2".) "They have something in common; still Soft Classic doesn't look as lush, and also looks... more proportionate, more symmetrical in general."

Dramatic Classic are more angular. They look taller; they look more moderate in size; they can be slightly more squarish and slightly broad; they might have slight musculature. And Theatrical Romantics do not: they're much softer; they're small looking; they're not angular; they have more delicate bones, thinner bones; and they're not as symmetrical. And sometimes outfits that look amazing on Dramatic Classics look pretty severe and "dry" (opposite of "lush") on Theatrical Romantics.

(TR Gillian Anderson, left; SC Meryl Streep, right.)

Gamines

"Flamboyant Gamines can look slightly elongated in their smallish frame: they are not tall, they are not big looking, they are pretty small looking. Sometimes they can be slightly broadly angular; sometimes they can have some muscles. Can be slightly squarish in the shoulders-- they can be slightly squarish in general." In comparison to Theatrical Romantics, they can appear more "electric, tomboyish." (Two classic examples are FG Penelope Cruz and TR Salma Hayek.) "Flamboyant Gamines' arms can be more elongated; their legs can be a bit more elongated They can look more straightish in figure. And Theatrical Romantics look pretty delicate-- they have shortish hands, shortish legs, shortish arms."

Soft Gamines and Theatrical Romantics are often confused because SGs are "small and also can have sharp bones, and figure, and soft flesh, and roundness. But again: Soft Gamines are slightly more angular than Theatrical Romantics. They are more "playful" looking because of the angularity in their chin, in their shoulders; and Theatrical Romantics are not angular to the same degree. Soft Gamines also skew more "girlish" than full-figured "woman" in comparison to TRs-- "but not always!"

(Top Photo: TR Gillian Anderson, left; FG Jimmy Kimmel, right.

Bottom Photo: TR Gillian Anderson, left; SG Reese Witherspoon, right.)

Romantics

Romantics are the softest of all the types, lacking the extra sharpness or "drama" of the Theatrical Romantics. "Normally, their shoulders are rounder. Also, Romantics have slightly wider bones-- also petite, also short like Theatrical Romantics.... Theatrical Romantics have slightly thinner bones; and Romantics, wider bones."

LINES, SILHOUETTES, AND OTHER FASHION DETAILS

But how do we dress the illustrious Gillian Anderson?

Again, I quote Aly Art quoting David Kibbe:

Shapes should be rounded, intricate, and ornate with slight sharpness at the edge. You might not look as good in geometrics; in chunky or bulky shapes; in sharp, severe shapes.

Line and silhouette: silhouettes should be hourglass, emphasizing the curves and showcasing the waist. The waist should be sharply defined, and the shoulders should be crisp. Tapering at the wrists, hemline, and knee areas. Lines should be soft, draped, flowing, clingy, ornate, and intricate. You might not look as good in all-severe silhouettes; in all oversized or unconstructed silhouettes; in all straight lines; in all sharp lines; in all wide or horizontal lines; in all long vertical lines that hide the waist.

Detail: details should be intricate, ornate, delicate, and quite lavish.... excess detail trim is important to help frame and focus the face. Bows, soft ruffles, and sparkly applique are excellent. Necklines should be soft and draped or sheered and gathered. Shoulder tucks, gathers, and bouffant shapes are perfect. Sleeves should be tapered at the wrist. Delicate and ornate buttons and trim are advisable. Waistline should always be emphasized: gathers, sheering, and draping at the waist are necessary for softness and intricacy.

You might not look as good in plain or minimal detail; in sharp or severe detail; in extremely oversized, bulky detail; in symmetrical, subdued detail; in crisp, perky detail.

CONCLUSION

We now know the yin and yang of Gillian's bone structure, which will help teach us what silhouettes, lines, shoes, accessories, hairstyles, and even hair colors would suit her best.

But that's another post for another time.

Thanks for reading~

Enjoy!

#Kibbe Body System #Kibbe Body Type #GA #Gillian Anderson #txf #but not #fashion #randomfashiontiger #this took... a while #though not as long as the primer #anyway: hope you enjoy!

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hesperioae · 5 months

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Touchstarved LI Kibbe Body Types

I am no expert on this topic, but I thought it was something I could do for fun.

I think Kuras (my favorite) is a beautiful Dramatic -perhaps Soft Dramatic- due to his extremely long vertical line, gracious but sharp features, and a certain dryness we can appreciate around the collar bone area. Long hands... Chef kiss.

I headcanon both Ais and Leander as Naturals -Leander could also be Soft Natural-. They both have that athletic upper body wideness, broad chests and muscular fleshiness.

I think Vere is a Theatrical Romantic. His sharpness is combined with a softer bone structure and a shorter vertical line. I also have the feeling that is a category he would easily picture himself into.

I headcanon Mhin as a Soft Gamin because of their youthful (almost childish) air, short vertical line. Soft features that, however, are not humble nor easily overpowered.

#touchstarved game #touchstarved #headcanons #kibbe body types #kuras #ais #leander #vere #mhin

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curseofmxcbeth · 2 years

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Romantic

Academia Fashion - Kibbe

The Romantic Kibbe body type is defined by curves. Romantics are petite, on the shorter side, and have a full hourglass figure, which should be emphasised through clothing. They suit rounded and soft, clothing with waist emphasis. V-necks, light colors, feminine ruffles, fitted shapes, soft fabrics, and high detail is very flattering.

#academia fashion #kibbe #kibbe body types #academia #dark academia #romantic academia #kibbe romantic #classic academia #dark academia aesthetic #academia aesthetic #academia outfits

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youremyheaven · 8 months

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Lana Del Rey: Kibbe Analysis

My one big issue with discussions of Kibbe IDs is how we seldom consider how these manifest in regular people with regular bodies. Every Kibbe ID has a certain "look" associated with them. SDs are presumed to be voluptuous, like the human incarnation of a fertility goddess, therefore people who are underweight/thin are automatically classified as something other than SD. verified FNs tend to be very thin and athletic so someone who is heavier is presumed to not be an FN. Most verified TRs are dead white women who were very very small so someone who is of average height with a more average build is perceived to be anything other than TR.

Since SN is the most common type, every woman with an average build is typed as one. This is especially true of those who have a heavier build, because weight gain, especially if its due to medication/health issues/binge eating etc can make anybody regardless of type, look "broad and bulky".

Lana has been in the limelight for over a decade at this point and her body has been under great scrutiny. She's a normal person whose weight fluctuates. Its important to understand that. Your Kibbe ID does not change with weight gain/loss. Kibbe is about image identity, that's not something that can be altered with plastic surgery or weight loss/gain; its who you are.

With that said, I believe Lana is a Flamboyant Natural.

Lana has a naturally straight-ish frame with little waist definition. At a lower weight her body is more narrow.

Her hips and her bust do not break the line of her body, which is to say they are not very prominent through the clothes she wears.

(im sorry Lana's head is cropped but I promise its Lana!!)

Compare Lana's chest to Selena's on the right. With weight gain, both of them have bigger chests but Selena (verified TR) has a chest that's naturally curved and prominent whereas Lana's chest is more broad and wide and not as pronounced.

Its evident in these pictures how her body does not look "curvy", her bust and her hips are not prominent or pronounced, she has a "straight" frame. She is a Natural type. According to celebheights.com (this is the most accurate source for celebrity heights as celebs usually exaggerate their heights) Lana is 167cms or 5'6 but seems taller, she is not rounded or blunt and has obvious vertical. This is why she is Flamboyant Natural and not Soft Natural.

These are all outfits that highlight her Romantic/Dramatic/Ethereal essence.

All these light flowy fabrics look soooo good on her and her Kibbe ID & essences all seem to harmonize well.

Naturals have the frame to carry light flowy fabrics without looking shapeless or like they're carrying a sack. Its giving ✨goddess ✨

Soft, light weight fabrics like silk, satin and kind of loose, unstructured dresses work very well for Natural types.

These aren't very flattering looks on Lana because they emphasize width and dont accomodate her vertical. When she's in outfits that suit her ID & essence, she shines so much<333

#lana del rey #kibbe analysis #flamboyant natural #kibbe body types

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theelectrikcowgirl · 1 year

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#electrikcowgirl #mirror palais #437 #body #kibbe body types #ribcage #tanning

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magnatrash · 1 year

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"why you look cheap" "how to be more elegant" "how to discover your best colors" "how to dress for your body type" "how to discover your style" "why black looks bad on you" "discover your Kibbe body type"

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femmefatalevibe · 10 months

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What are your thoughts on the kibbe body type system? Any tips for a soft dramatic?

I think it's fairly baseless and outdated, honestly. The whole concept does really sound like what it is – a mansplanation of women's body types and features. Personally, I believe the best way to understand your features is to determine the following traits for your personal body type, proportion, and facial structure:

Body shape (a fairly useful calculator is HERE). Some more information on the different body types can be found HERE. There are some caveats here that relate to bone structure (for example, I'm a "flat-chested hourglass" essentially – the bone structure is the same as an hourglass, but my fat/muscle distribution is different than the traditional hourglass, which is classified as by having a larger bust)

Determining your proportions (longer torso and shorter legs, shorter torso/legs, balanced proportions, etc.)

Understanding where your frame is widest (e.g. broad shoulders/hips. wide ribcage) vs. where you hold the most/least fat or muscle on your body (Knowing where you gain/lose weight first can also help you answer this question)

Figure out your face shape (I think this calculator offers a good jumping-off point, but I would read some articles about the subject to confirm your particular face shape. I got my face shape (triangle) on the second try, lol) and which features are most prominent/subdued on your face (e.g. big head/small head, big/small eyes – close together/farther apart, thin or thick lips, nose size/shape, brow shape/thickness, plumpness of cheeks/jawline definition)

Then, determine which clothes/accessories/hairstyles flatter your body type and face shape/size to "balance" your head-to-toe look. E.g. if you have a pear-shaped body with slender, long arms and a square-shaped face, consider wearing a loose cami with bootcut jeans with a large pendant necklace and a bouncy, layered lob to balance/flatter all of your proportions.

Hope this helps xx

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goldennika · 1 year

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very rough thoughts for kibbe typing sookai at midnight but ahhh seeing this vid makes it clearer to me that soobin does leans towards a soft/yin subtype -- notice how soft and rounded his cheeks, nose, and maybe even eyes(?) are

meanwhile kai appears to have blunt yang (see how his face looks longer and relatively more angular than soobin but not necessarily at super sharp angles as there is width there too).

while i know they are still considered to be too young to type, i do think that hueningkai is a flamboyant natural (similar to namjoon and maybe even mingyu?) given his frame and the styles that look best on him, and soobin is potentially a soft dramatic.

#ok time for bed zzz #will try to do a proper post and deep dive when i have the time and focus #kibbe typing #kibbe #kpop kibbe #flamboyant natural #soft dramatic kibbe #soft dramatic #tomorrow x together #soobin #hueningkai #sookai #goldennika: fashion thoughts #txt fashion #fashion thoughts

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randomfoggytiger · 2 months

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Kibbe Body Types and Celebrities: a Beginner's Guide

(Credit to: Aly Art)

David Kibbe, author of Metamorphosis, drew upon previous fashion systems to create his own Kibbe Body System, homing in on the yin-yang balance of the body and boiling his method down to the bare bones-- literally-- of the overall frame: length, width, height, and softness. Then, he divided each feature into two main categories: the yin softness or the yang structure. The more “structure” a frame had, the more “visual weight” it presented; and the more “softness” it had, the less “visual weight” it presented.

At first, Kibbe sorted each frame into five main types with two additional subtypes. However, his system recently caught on fire with popularity, leading to vast misinterpretations or reinterpretations through over analysis and hyper fixation. Because of this, David updated his system (and is reworking on an updated version of his book), resifting his old designs into a simpler order.

This analysis will be working from the information I've gleaned mostly from Aly Art's channel here. She is incredible at stripping down each concept to its basics-- highly recommend. I also used Merriam Style’s channel for her body type test (here), which is an even more stripped version of Kibbe’s original body type quiz. (Aly's version of the quiz is here.)

**Note**: Kibbe Body Types are separate from the actual weight of an individual; and do not change with bodily fluctuations, changes, or even age. Example: Romantics will always appear softer compared to other body types their height or weight because of the “flesh” (natural padding of fat) over their muscles and bones, whereas Naturals will always appear more “mature” compared to older Gamines because of the visual weight of the bones (cheekbone, jawbone, etc.) in their face.

KIBBE BODY TYPES

(Credit to: Aly Art)

**Note**: The Kibbe Body System is a complete overview of the entire frame, not just the face: two different people can share strikingly similar facial features yet have completely different bodies. It’s important to assess more than one facet.

If we were to place the Kibbe Body Types on a left to right scale, Dramatics have the most yang-- sharpness, length, elongation, structure-- and Romantics have the most yin-- shortness, roundness, softness. In the middle would sit the Classics-- a balanced mixture of yang structure and yin softness; mid-left would be Naturals (yang elongation with blunted width); and mid-right would be Gamines (an uneven mixture of yin and yang.)

DRAMATIC TYPES

Dramatics

Dramatic Types have longer, angular, more narrow bones-- a vertical column, if you will-- that curve into points instead of “blunt” edges. They are moderate to tall (5’9"/173cm and up), and have prominent, straight, sleek features. If plus sized, they accumulate weight in their hips and upper thighs.

Benedict Cumberbatch, Sean Connery, Charlton Heston, Ricardo Montalban, Errol Flyn, Daniel Craig

Katherine Hepburn, Cate Blanchett, Angelica Huston, Diane Carol, Faye Dunaway, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kristen Wig, Maggie Smith, Taylor Swift

Soft Dramatics

Soft Dramatic Types have more softness in their bust and hips, giving them a powerful voluptuousness (as opposed to the Romantic Types delicate pure yin.) They are moderate to tall (5’7”/170cm and up), with a moderate waist and fleshier facial features, arms, and hips. If plus sized, they get heavier on the fleshiest parts of the body: bust, hips, waist, thighs, upper arms, and the face.

Dean Martin, Christian Bale, Matthew McConoughy, John Travolta, Nicholas Cage, Clark Gable

Adele, Ann Bancroft, Ava Gardiner, Barbara Streisand, Kim Novak, Maria Callas, Mae West, Rachel Weiz, Rita Heyworth, Sofia Vergara, Sofia Loren

NATURAL TYPES

Naturals have longer, blunted, wider bones-- a T-shape, if you will-- that curve into blunts instead of angular or softened edges.

David Kibbe no longer believes in the pure Natural Type, placing clients or celebrities into either Flamboyant or Soft Natural.

Flamboyant Naturals

Flamboyant Natural Types have a touch more structure: blunt, long, wide bones; wide, T-shaped shoulders; and a figure that narrows in a flat, straight line down their waist, hips, and legs. They are moderate to tall (5’11”/180cm and up), with features that are broad and angular, but not sharp. If plus sized, the body tends to become squarer.

Calvin Klein, Dick Van Dyke, Harrison Ford, Clint Eastwood, Tom Sellack (maybe), Michael Landon (maybe), Joe Biden

Amy Adams, Anne Hathaway (had work done to disguise), Bea Arthur, Brooke Shields, Cameron Diaz, Carly Simon, Cindy Crawford (quintessential, imo), Emma Stone, Farah Faucett, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ingrid Bergma, Jane Fonda, Jennifer Lawrence, Julia Roberts, Lucille Ball, Linda Carter, Michelle Obama, Nicole Kidman, Katie Homes (probably), Princess Diana Spencer, Sarah Jessica Parker, Tracey Ellis Ross, Uma Therman, LOTS of supermodels (broad shoulders, long and straight waist)

Soft Naturals

Soft Natural have a softness to their long, blunt, wide bones, narrow hips. They are moderate to tall (5’5”/165cm and up), with smaller, rounder softness to their blunt facial features and frame. Their T-shape is less pronounced because of their more proportionate shoulders (in comparison to Flamboyant Naturals, at least.) If plus sized, SNs thicken in their upper arms, thighs, and hips.

Alan Alda, OJ Simpson, John Wayne, Robert Redford, Robert Conrad, Bing Crosby, Tom Cruise, George Clooney, Gene Kelly, Brad Pit, Gene Hackman

Bette Grable, Carol Lombard, Chloe Sevigny, Doris Day (icon), Goldie Hahn, Helen Mirren, Jennifer Lopez, Julie Andrews, Kamala Harris, Kat Dennings, Katy Perry, Kim Bassinger, Marisa Tomay, Renee Zellweger, Sandra Bullock, Scarlet Johanson (had work done), Sissy Spacek

CLASSIC TYPES

Classics are an even mixture of both skeletal structures: their frames are mid-height or tallish-- symmetrical angles or edges-- with a “balanced” appearance: their arms, waists, and legs are proportionate in length and width to their overall frame (not too angular, curved, or blunt); and can handle more visual weight than Romantics but less so than Dramatics or Naturals. They appear naturally polished; and often are dragged down by elements in their wardrobes that skew too much in any direction (appearing overwhelmed or overdone.)

Kibbe no longer promotes pure Classic Types, insisting that no person can be a perfect mixture and discouraging his clients or followers from trying to fit themselves into an impossible mold.

Dramatic Classics

Dramatic Classic Types are an even mixture of yin and yang with just a touch more of yang’s structure, giving them either slightly sharper features, slightly longer limbs, or a bit less softness overall. Their height is moderate (5’5”-5’8”/166-172cm or thereabouts); and their figure and features are symmetrically squarish (more rectangular compared to Dramatics’ long and narrow vertical column and Naturals’ long and wide T-shape.) If plus sized, they gain weight in the hips and thighs (rarely around the bustline), becoming more pear-shaped overall.

Carey Grant, John Ham

Diana Rig, Gina Rollins, Jackie Kennedy-Onassis, Jill Biden, Lana Turner, Olivia Munn, Phylicia Rashad

Soft Classics

Soft Classic Types are a symmetrical mixture with just a touch more of yin’s softness, giving them either slightly softened features, slightly shorter and wider limbs, or slightly more “fleshiness” overall. Their height is moderate (5’5"-5'6”/164-169cm); and their features are slightly small and wide. If plus sized, SCs lose their waist definition and become fuller in the face.

John Slattery, John Glenn, Gregory Peck, Bryant Gumbel

Barbara Walters, Carolina Herrera, Donna Reed, Emma Thompson, Grace Kelly, Joan Fontaine, Kirsten Dunst (maybe), Marion Cotillard

GAMINE TYPES

Gamines are an uneven mixture of both skeletal structures: their frames are usually short or rarely tall-- unsymmetrical angles or edges-- with a “youthful” appearance; and the mismatch of their skeletons give them an appearance of eternal youth instead of “womanly” or “mature” beauty. The endless combinations of their features-- long arms, short arms, long legs, short legs, long torso, short torsos, visual weight in the face, no visual weight in the face, etc. etc.-- thrive in the chaos of mismatching, color blocking, differing clothing silhouettes; and are often dragged down by too much polish or restriction.

David Kibbe no longer stands by the pure Gamine type, filtering people into either Theatrical or Soft Gamine.

Theatrical Gamines

Theatrical Gamine Types tip the scales in a more yang than yin direction, giving them a broadly angular frame composed of shorter lines (compared to the Dramatics’ and Naturals’ long, angular, and broad lines.) They are moderate to short height (5’6”/168cm) with square, slightly wide features. Structure gives them very defined musculature-- ala Dramatics and Naturals-- and a longer, “leggier” look. If plus sized, TGs collect weight from the waist down, turning squarer or “stocky.”

Jimmy Kimmel, Frank Sinatra, Neil Patrick Harris

Audrey Hepburn, Coco Chanel, Debbie Allen, Gloria Vanderbilt, Jennifer Love-Hewitt, Kelly Osborne, Liza Minelli, Lucy Liu, Penelope Cruz, Tina Turner, Twiggy, Zoey Deschenel

Soft Gamines

Soft Gamine Types tip the scales in a more yin than yang direction. They are the short Gamines (5’2”/157cm or thereabouts): delicately broad-- a combination of delicate and small, broad and angular-- with width dominated by an overall “fleshy” softness in their arms, hips, and thighs. SGs often have “doll" like features: rounded face shape, fleshy cheeks and big eyes. If plus sized, their figure becomes more rounded, mainly in the bust, hips, arms, and face area. (Soft Gamines often think they are overweight-- when more often they’re not-- because of their natural roundness and lack of pronounced hips and waist.)

Fred Astaire, Robert Downy Jr.

Bette Davis, Susan Hayward, Claudette Colbert, Debbie Reynolds, Eartha Kitt, Halle Berry, Judy Garland, Leslie Caron, Mary Kate and Ashley Olson, Octavia Spencer, Natalie Wood, Reese Witherspoon, Sally Field, Winona Ryder

ROMANTIC TYPES

Romantics

Romantics are dominated by yin softness; and, therefore, have the least visual “weight” to them. Their frames are mid-height or shorter (5’5"/166cm and under) with “rounded” and curved angles or edges-- sloped or petite shoulders, rounded facial features, and “fleshy”, shorter arms, waists, and legs. If plus sized, Romantics keep their waist definition while their body and face become more rounded and “full.”

Colin Firth, Leonardo DiCaprio, Elijah Wood, Simon Baker, Richard Gere, Michael Jackson, Omar Shereef, Billy Dee Williams, Elvis Presely

Kate Winslet, Drew Barrymore, Christina Ricci, Arlene Dahl, Bernadette Peters, Beyonce, Dolly Parton, Elizabeth Taylor, Gina Lollobrigida, Helena Bonham Carter, H. E. R. Gabbie Wilson, Gene Simmons, Madonna, Maryln Monroe, Susan Sarandon

Theatrical Romantics

Theatrical Romantic Types differ from pure Romantic Types in their width: while both are delicate, the touch of yang to a TR’s frame gives it a narrower waist, slightly sharper features, and a bit less flesh over their arms, hips, or even hands. Their moderate to petite height (5’2”/157cm or thereabouts) is voluptuous, but small and narrow as opposed to wide and “bulky.” If plus sized, their figure retains its defined waist while the arms, thighs, and face become quite “fleshy.”

David and Susan Kibbe, Orlando Bloom, Prince, Johnny Depp

Ann Margret, Heidi Lamar, Jada Pinkett Smith, Jane Seymor, Jean Harlowe, Mila Kunis, Morgan Fairchild, Salma Hayek, Selena Gomez, Vivian Leigh

COMPARING THE CELEBRITY BODY TYPES

There's a great vid on Aly Art's channel (here) comparing female celebrities to each other, highlighting the differences of each individual type.

Dramatic, left; Soft Natural, right.

Soft Classic, left; Flamboyant Natural, right.

Soft Gamine, left; Dramatic, right.

Romantic, left; Theatrical Romantic, middle; Soft Natural, right.

CONCLUSION

Not much at present-- just needed this primer written down so I can start my David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson Kibbe posts.

Thanks for reading~

Enjoy!

#Kibbe Body Types and Celebrities: a Beginner's Guide #Kibbe Body Types #Kibbe Body System #kibbe #fashion #randomfashiontiger #David Kibbe #and a whole ton of celebrities

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lovelylola3220 · 7 months

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whenever I look at another human I can’t help but see shapes and colors. I know exactly what colors, what metals they should wear. I love giving advice (when it’s asked ofc) I can just look at someone and mentally plan their outfits in my head and see what colors look good on them. I probably look crazy cause when I see someone I always look at the shape of their forehead, the distance between their eyes and mouth and etc it’s like I can’t help but analyze people’s faces and bodies BUT NOT IN A JUDGEMENTAL WAY I PROMISE it has to be the Taurus in me like I love appreciating beauty and to me humans are like art (I don’t know any other way to explain it) but I’ll see some stranger on the street with an interesting skin color/ undertone and I just start imagining what colors they would suit best in. Like help I don’t know what’s wrong with me. It’s like I have this compulsive need to beautify people not cause I find them ugly but I just love color theory, art and the science of fashion like I’ll see someone with a great body dressed in the completely wrong clothes that don’t flatter their figure and I just want to fix their outfit. Why do I do this?

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Bella Hadid: Kibbe Analysis

This is one of the few times where the Kibbe discussion about a celebrity is mostly right. Bella is usually typed as a Soft Dramatic and I agree with this typing!!

TW: mention of body dysmorphia, eating disorders etc

Bella, unlike most supermodels who tend to be Flamboyant Naturals, is a Soft Dramatic and I think this has caused her to have an identity crisis/body dysmorphia on top of growing up with Yolanda Hadid as her mother. Both Yolanda & Gigi are FNs with a typical lean, athletic build. Bella, being an SD has a fleshier, softer body.

when she gains weight, she gains it in her arms, thighs, hips, bust etc. She has broad shoulders, a small well defined waist and full hips. She has a natural hourglass body which most models don't.

I think many of her struggles with body image arise from the fact she does not have a typical rectangular model build and that she naturally has soft flesh.

i feel weird calling it "soft flesh" but this is a picture of karlie kloss on the left and bella on the right. Karlie has a typical model build, strong shoulders, a wide square torso, her arms and thighs all have some muscle definition. She's in a sense kind of "strong looking".

Bella has soft thighs and arms, a very defined waist and in general she looks more "curvy" and "soft". The thing about being an SD is that working out and hitting the gym regularly will not give you muscle definition, with weight gain and weight loss, your body just shrinks or expands, instead of looking ripped.

This is something many SDs have spoken about and feel conflicted about; their body is not the kind that can build muscle or be "toned". That's how Naturals are build not SDs.

Just look at Bella next to Gigi and you can tell how differently they are built and how different their essences are. Coloring also plays a huge role in determining someone's essence. Dramatic essence relates to someone of high contrast coloring.

While Gigi has Natural, Classic & Ingenue essence

Bella has Romantic, Dramatic & Ethereal essence

As far as I know, Bella has only had a nose job in this picture. She naturally has full cheeks and a softer face. The sharpness comes primarily from her eyes and eyebrows. Also, remember that plastic surgery cannot really change your essence. In this and her early photos, it's obvious that Bella has Romantic/Dramatic/Ethereal essence.

This is just speculation but its likely that Bella felt the need to get buccal fat removal because even with weight loss, SDs tend to still have softer faces with full cheeks.

It can be really hard to grow up consuming media where no one looks like you or has your body type and there's immense pressure to be skinny. Its even worse when you come from a family of models who you don't look like and work in the fashion industry.

Despite her weight loss over the years, before she underwent cosmetic surgery, she still retained softness to her face and body due to her SD build; this must have been hard for her to endure as she felt as though losing weight/working out wasn't making much of a difference to her, i.e, she wasn't getting those hollow cheekbones, skinny arms and legs and abs.

Again. This is not her fault. She is just a Soft Dramatic.

Now look at Bella in these outfits. They honour her SD lines but also emphasize her Romantic/Dramatic essence. She looks like a Goddess.

Compare those looks to these looks. None of these outfits make her shine. They don't bring out any of her essences and she looks kind of out of place and washed out in them.

Compare these two looks.

High necks are not suitable for SDs because it emphasizes their shoulders and makes their upper body look wide and short. The length of the dress is also very awkward.

Compare that to the nude gown on the right. This is something more suited for Classics but she still looks faaaaar better although it does not make her "pop". The open neck, the waist emphasis, the floor length gown are all flattering on her.

All of these are outfits that honour her Romantic/Dramatic essence however she looks incredible in the white one and less so in the others. WHY?

The yellow outfit has a high closed neck. This is an absolutely NO-NO for SDs. The fabric is not clinging to her body or revealing her shape. Since she's not frame dominant, she kind of looks engulfed in that dress. The black plunging neck with the waist cut outs and thigh slit dysmorphs the natural lines of her body. You cannot tell that Bella is an hourglass in this black dress, it emphasizes all the wrong places.

in the picture on the left its apparent that Bella's bust breaks the lines of her frame and she has obvious "double curve".

Over the last few years, Bella has embraced a y2k style and also lost a significant amount of weight. This is a very sensitive topic and I don't want to trigger anybody but its clear that Bella hesitates to embrace her natural body type and styles that would flatter it.

SDs are prone to feeling like they're "too much". Ofc narrowing down all of Bella's struggles to her being a Soft Dramatic is silly and oversimplifying things but its important to understand that who you are, how you look, how you present yourself are all interrelated.

People who have a Dramatic essence are often described as intimidating (regardless of ID).

"Reels of Bella on the runway, staring lethally down her long nose and vamping to an ominous overlaid beat. She is steely, dead-serious, maybe a bit—and she knows this—scary."

this is an excerpt from Bella's Vogue interview and this is how the interviewer describes her.

People pick up on your energy regardless of whether or not they know about Essences or Kibbe or whatever; its an intuitive thing. People read your energy and your energy is connected to your appearance in some ways.

“The majority of the time when I meet people, they say, I just didn’t think you were going to be nice, that you were going to be this mean, scary dragon lady, or some kind of a sexbot,” she says. “That’s just not me, and if people have a better understanding of who I am, then I feel less alone within myself.”

This is what Bella says during the interview ��.

She has always had a Romantic/Dramatic/Ethereal essence but over the course of several years worth of enhancements, her Dramatic essence became far more pronounced.

Many SDs feel conflicted about embracing the kind of exaggerated, over-the-top styles that are standard SD recommendations. It takes a lot of time and inner work to accept that this is what works for you best. Many women are afraid of dressing according to their type, esp if said type is R/TR/SD because of how much attention they draw or how it looks like they're "trying too hard". You're either stuck between looking washed out or looking over the top. There's no in-between.

Part of the journey is accepting the attention and understanding it and learning to feel comfortable with being "looked at" instead of hiding in your clothes. This requires a certain acceptance of one's own femininity in a culture that likes to put femininity into little boxes of shame ("trad wives", "bimbocore", "divine feminine"). this is obviously difficult because nobody wants to be perceived as thoughtless or unintelligent.

Like Jennie embracing a Gamine style, Bella too, has adopted a more androgynous style as of late.

“I dress like a little boy,” she suggests. “You couldn’t catch me in a dress willingly at this point in my life.”- Bella Hadid

It's not unsurprising that the last few years have witnessed Bella at the peak of her career and is now considered a bonafide supermodel who is greatly respected in the fashion circles. Its no coincidence that this has also been a time when her personal style underwent a major shift.

Earlier, say between 2015-2019, Bella dressed in ways that specifically suited her (more or less). It wasn't a style you could imitate for yourself unless you shared her ID.

Bella is credited with popularizing y2k style and was at the head of the y2k boom. This is largely a Natural style that would flatter most people (most people being Natural types). This has meant that her style is widely imitated these days.

Honouring your ID & essence means you stand out and are distinct. This means you're perceived as mean, intimidating, too sexy, over the top, bitchy etc etc

It does not make sense to walk around dressed like Vivien Leigh or Jennie Kim (during her 2016-2019 era) or Sofia Vergara or Christina Hendricks. Its not a style everybody can imitate.

Embracing a more androgynous style that largely caters to Naturals means everybody can relate to you, imitate you and connect to you. You don't stand out as much and certainly don't seem "over the top" or "intimidating".

compare these two looks.

the one on the left is something that would suit an SD and the one on the right is a typical y2k fit

the fur coat and boots is not something most people can imitate but the tight top from the kids section with those low rise pants are.

anyways, i hope this was insightful<3

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