#mesobinary

[losergendered]

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Emu Otori from Project Sekai is a cisgenderqueer lesbianconnec jamian liersic rivleric panromantic spectraromantic xenoaltflux xefingirl who uses she/nya/any!

Tsukasa Tenma is an extracis GNC bisexual shadowdarcian revlic veldian who uses he/him!

Nene Kusanagi is an abigender intersex transmascfem cisfeminine polyromantic graysexual rowanian mesque jaustenian demiboy who uses he/they/she/it!

Rui Kamishiro is a genderfluid bigender transfeminine cismasculine flamboric GNC omnisexual aubrian veldian amethian bellusromantic aroflux xenoboygirl who uses she/he/any!

All four of them are dating each other!

WxS Hatsune Miku is an agender mesobinary polyxenic omnixen platonicish ay pantutelary playfulcutie uncangirl rosboy who uses it/they/nya/any!

WxS Kagamine Rin is an adexromantic aquoisexual idolvirtual atrigirl who uses it/she!

WxS Kagamine Len is a sillyprinceic panplayful quoiplatonic aroace creatiboy who uses it/he!

WxS Megurine Luka is an agender softqualix fxminine yumerose rosbxy/rosgirl who uses they/she/he/any!

WxS MEIKO is a butchfemme cupioaesthetic abrirose absaroace boygirl who uses he/she!

WxS KAITO is a cupiosensual orchidaesthetic bellusrose creatiman who uses he/him!

[mogai-headcanons]

Mal from Total Drama is a bi gay alloarospec allorospec tulipian veldarcian biologievilgender viabinary mesobinary evilic proxvir pixelgirl duo-binary boy who uses he/him, they/them, and it/its pronouns!

It's in an unlabeled relationship with his co-host Mike, a bisexual genderqueer cistrans girlspike linproche boy who presents fluidly and uses he/him pronouns!

They're both in a queerplatonic relationship with Svetlana, a bi straight lesbian transfeminine girl who uses she/her pronouns!

dni link

[areyouthisidentity-polls]

Are you...

Mesobinary is a term from the alibinary system used to categorize the experiences of some non-binary people. It refers to people with identities involving both binary genders or being in between the binary genders, or those who relate to having the experience of both binary genders, or to having an experience of being in between binary genders.

[your-bigender-big-brother]

Is there a term for "binary nonbinary"?

I looked around and couldn't find an overall term for being both, but viabinary and mesobinary both encompass terms for nonbinary experiences that relate to the binary in some way.

Anyone know of other terms for anon?

- 💙💚

[stormy-talks]

Archived here. This is incredibly important information.

different kinds of nonbinary issues

I’ve already posted about this elsewhere a few months ago, but I think the idea is polished enough for me to post it on Tumblr now too.

There are a lot of different kinds of nonbinary people. And there are many ways for nonbinary people to relate or not relate to binary genders. There was a discussion a long time ago that resulted in the coining of “midbinary” and “abinary”, which I thought could result on interesting discussions, however, most people only used those as identities or as a way to categorize identities, which is okay, but not what I expected.

And even those terms are not really polished, imho. Is someone who defines themselves as a masculine agender person midbinary, which references the binary, or abinary, because their gender identity is not male or female, since they are genderless? Can you only be one or the other? Is one more exclusive than the other (as in, if you are male/female/masculine/feminine/a mix of those at all you can’t be abinary, just like if you are not 100% male or not 100% female you are not binary even though you may still be a man or a woman)?

Anyways, those are rhetorical questions. I’m here to present another system.

This system is based on what kinds of issues one faces because of their gender identity. Which means, you can say you are more than one of those things at once, or that you are some of those or others depending on the moment.

I am also aware most identities have their own issues, that may be more specific or not related to those. I’m not claiming the following categories are the only kinds of nonbinary-specific oppression.

Exobinary issues are mainly experienced by people with identities that are completely outside and/or independent of the gender binary or anything related to it. They may include:

People doubting the existence of gender identities that don’t relate to the gender binary in any way;

People completely doubting and/or overlooking gender expressions, alignments or dysphoria that doesn’t fit a “male, female, masculine, feminine or in-between those” restriction.

Ideobinary issues are mainly experienced by people with identities that rely on masculinity/femininity or other “projections” of binary ideas, without being (necessarily) close to binary genders. They may include:

People pushing the idea that something that an identity related to masculinity, femininity or that otherwise implies a connection to binary genders are similar or the same as a binary gender (eg “antigirl = boy” or “feminine nonbinary = self-hating binary girl“ or “mascgender = demiboy”;

A divide that often occurs when talking about different kinds of nonbinary people that only takes into account “people with genders that are similar to binary genders” and “people with genders that are equally both binary genders or not binary at all”, leaving in the dust those who don’t feel right claiming they are similar to binary genders, but whose identities are based on binary or binary-related ideas;

A presentation issue: how to express you are not a woman at all, while having a feminine gender? Or not a man at all, but having a masculine gender? Or being something totally different from a man, while not being a woman? Or being something totally different from a woman, while not being a boy? Being “neutral” or “completely out there” may not be comfortable options if those don’t express the actual gender identity.

Mesobinary issues are mainly experienced by people with identities involving both binary genders and/or being in-between those genders. They may include:

People pushing the idea that binary genders are opposite and that no one can ever be both;

People trying to “gauge” whether one is “more male” or “more female” to be able to ignore one part of a person’s gender identity;

Exclusion of spaces/labels specific to men or women for being partially women or men, respectively.

Viabinary issues are mainly experienced by people with identities which are close to one binary gender, even if they are nonbinary. They may include:

Having either their nonbinary identity or the binary part of their identity doubted, ignored or looked down upon;

Being alienated from common nonbinary depictions or descriptions that put emphasis on being completely separate from the binary or in-between binary genders;

Being seen as binary within nonbinary spaces;

Being treated as a “self hating” and/or “wanting to escape cis/male privilege” version of the binary gender they are close to.

Note that this is to facilitate discussion; there are several issues that more than one of those groups may face, or that only a part of those groups will face.

[genderqueerdykes]

I need people to realize many enby folks are beyond binary terms, istg. Some people are androgyne, and mesobinary is a term, where do those people go? People who are so deep in the purple that what's pink and what's blue are entirely irrelevant. Agender folks who don't identify with any particular gender. Transneutral people, who aren't genderless but also aren't a man or woman or necessarily anything in between (but could be if they see themselves that way). Individuals who are masc and fem and neutral all at once and yet don't like being seen as either a man or a woman. There are also people who aren't masc, fem, agender, or neu - but something else entirely. Being nonbinary has so many variations, and yet it feels like so many of them never have a place in discussions

Also, the sooner y'all realize trans man and transmasc aren't synonyms, and trans woman and transfem also aren't synonyms, the sooner we can collectively chill tf out. Don't use transmasc to say "boy nonbinary" or transfem to mean "girl nonbinary" either; y'all, are we not the "don't put me in a box against my will" community? I promise you, being so fixated on the binary hurts way more people than it could ever offer a false sense of security to

very true, there are so many people whose experiences exist outside of any binary and don't want to have those terms applied to them

y'all, are we not the "don't put me in a box against my will" community? I promise you, being so fixated on the binary hurts way more people than it could ever offer a false sense of security to

i feel like people keep forgetting this, so this is a huge reminder. thank you for taking the time to send this ask

[ryanyflags]

Is there a term for people who are both binary genders or related to the gender binary but not nonbinary? All terms I find are either "nonbinary gender that is male and female" or "outside of the binary but not nonbinary", and I don't exactly identify with either definition. I guess it would be similar to viabinary or mesobinary

You could still use terms like androgyne, midbinary, etc. without being nonbinary. I know people do that sort of thing, they'll use a label, but not the umbrella label people typically think it's under.

Or I guess just binary, as it's own gender, though I suppose it could be difficult to explain to people, since they'll probably think it can only be a category for binary male or binary female (not both).

I don't really use n't terms, but nonbinaryn't is the only thing I can think of here, which only specifies not being nonbinary. You could combine terms? Like nonbinaryn't androgyne, nonbinaryn't midbinary, or nonbinaryn't manwoman/boygirl/etc. The last one is just a combination of man/boy/etc. + woman/girl/etc., so it doesn't necessarily specify anything related to nonbinary either way, though I can see people automatically assuming it's a nonbinary experience, so the nonbinaryn't would further specify that's it's not nonbinary.

Anyone else have any ideas?

(I thought of anonbinary, but that's neither nonbinary and binary.

[losergendered]

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Tiki Mikk from D. Gray-Man is a transmasculine, amasculine, genderescape, agendervir, demiamorous, oriented aroace with DID, BPD, PTSD, who uses mostly he/him and sometimes other masc-aligned or neutral-aligned pronouns!

Tiki's brother Sheril Kamelot is a cisgenderless, monopoly, divisuamorous, bellusromantic, hypersexual, blanesexual with DID, HPD, NPD and ASPD, who uses he/him!

Sheril's child Wisely Kamelot is a transneutral, caesgender, gendernier, perplexic, fidelityflux, uinsexual with DID, NPD, ADHD and autism, who uses any neutral-aligned pronouns!

Wisely's sibling Rodo Kamelot is a cerisic, nixavire, epinixene, spingender, reidem, unisexual with ADHD, BPD, DID, PTSD, who uses she/they with everyone, and he/him with other Noahs!

Rodo has a crush on Allen Walker is a gendermirror, gendernull, virnull, amoryflux, amid, spectrasexual with PTSD, who is pronounfluid, and now uses he/they!

Debitto is a GNC, transmascfem, keingender, kenopresentic, androgynull, flixasexual with ADHD, DID, who uses any pronouns except she/her!

Debitto's twin Jasdero is an intersex, GNC, voidfem, mesobinary, vincian, transfeminine man with ADHD, DID, who uses he/she!

Lulu Bell is an abrogender, afluid, controlgender, alexigender, nonamorous, neptunic with DID, OCD, SZPD, who don't care about pronouns!

Howard Link is an autistic, gay atriboy, who uses he/they!

For anon!

[radiomogai]

[PT: Ideoandrogyne Pride Flag. End PT]

Ideoandrogyne Pride Flag

Ideoandrogynous/ideoandrogyny (ideoangi/ideangi), ideogynandrous/ideogynandre (ideogynandry), ideoambinary/ideambinary or ideomascfem(me)/ideofemmasc/ideofemasc: a word for those who relate to having an experience that rely on androgyny or other “projections” of LIN (androgynous in nature) ideas, without being (necessarily) close to binary genders; being both ideogyne (ideogynous/ideogyny) and ideoandrous (ideoandry/ideandry/ideandrous or ideandre/ideoandre) [ideandrogyne/ideandrogyny/ideandrogynous].

Also a form of mesobinary. Although many people theorize the L- in lingender comes from male/female, there’s also an L in masculine/feminile. [ID.: 5 stripes of hot pink, yellow, white, yellow and blue. End ID.] -Ap

[mogai-headcanons]

Anne Maria from Total Drama is a lesbennetian bisexual girl who identifies as both straight and lesbian alongside bisexual, and she's in a relationship with Vito and has a swish on Dakota!

Mike is a presentationfluid bi aromid intersex deminonbinary isogender isocis girlspike linproche demimale host of a DID system who uses he/him pronouns, but doesn't mind they/them, and is intrasys dating Mal and in a relationship with Zoey!

Mal is the traumagenic persecutor of Mike's system and a bi gay alloarospec allorospec tulipian veldarcian biologievilgender viabinary mesobinary duobinary evilic storyburnian proxvir pixelgirl boy who uses he/him, they/them, and it/its pronouns!

Svetlana is a queerplatonic bellusromantic romo aro asexual roacespike levian trans woman multigenic faitive who is fluid between the labels bi, straight, and lesbian and uses she/her pronouns, and she is in a QPR with Zoey and considers Mal to be her brother!

Vito is the traumagenic sexual protector of Mike's system and a hypersexual alloaro bisexual isogender mascqueer person who is in a relationship with Anne Maria!

Manitoba Smith is a biaesthetic bisexual aroace turian intheorybi fuzztive who uses he/him pronouns!

Chester is an unlabeled adaptive anger holder!

Zoey is a biromantic asexual girl who is dating Mike and in a QPR with Svetlana!

Lightning is a gay guy who has a crush on Cameron!

Dawn is a biromantic quoiromantic genderqueer demitransmasculine girlish being who uses all pronouns and is in a soft-romo relationship with B!

B is a nonverbal transhet guy and is in a soft-romo relationship with Dawn!

Dakota is a high femme demiromantic bisexual acespec transsexual transfeminine girl, and she's in a relationship with Sam!

Sam is a GNC futchfluid peach femme transfeminine cistrans bigender autigender girlboy koala bear who uses she/her, he/him, and they/them pronouns, and they're in a relationship with Dakota!

Cameron is a deminonbinary intersex boy!

Brick is a GNC butch bisexual cusper demibigender guy who uses he/him pronouns, and he's dating Jo!

Scott is a bisexual trnas man with a preference for girls, and he has a crush on Courtney!

Jo is a butch bisexual girldoxboy who uses she/her pronouns, but doesn't care if people use others, and she's dating Brick!

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[imoga-pride]

is there a term for when you're androgyne in a way that your femininity is masculine and your masculinity is feminine and you're an inseparable combination of both? like it would be wrong to call you only masc or only fem? and is there a term for when you're a combo of masc and fem but this combo feels disconnected from the binary because it can't be traced back to only masculinity or only femininity?

I can remember of these terms. Tell me what you think. Also reminds me of propegender. While for the other, I'd say abinary or mesobinary of ideobinary. Or if we are to coin something, nymangi/abinangi (nymmascfem/nymfemasc) could fit I guess (based on nymboy/nymgirl/abingirl/abinboy).

[momma-mogai-sphinx]

New Umbrella Terms

Fiagender Spectrum / Fiaspec: an umbrella term similar to FINgender for anyone on the "female" viabinary-to-binary spectrum; anyone whose gender is female, partly female (but not partly miagender), or in some way similar to/resemblant of femaleness (without necessarily being FIN), ex: nonbinary woman, lunarian/woman-aligned, demigirl, gxrl, xirl, juxera, altegirl. Can also be used as a gender identity all on its own.

Miagender Spectrum / Miaspec: an umbrella term similar to MINgender for anyone on the "male" viabinary-to-binary spectrum; anyone whose gender is male, partly male (but not partly fiagender), or in some way similar to/resemblant of maleness (without necessarily being MIN), ex: nonbinary man, solarian/man-aligned, demiboy, bxy, xoy, proxvir, alteboy. Can also be used as a gender identity all on its own.

Meso/Liagender Spectrum / Meso/Liaspec: for anyone whose gender is both fia- and mia-; anyone with a mesogender (including femache centrigender & ambigender). Liagender can also be used as its own identity.

(Use of terms in conjunction with "spec" or "spectrum" refers to the whole spectrum. "Mia/Fia/Liagender people" would refer to anyone who identifies as one of these.)

Note: these are different from F- and M-gender, because they do not include certain ideobinary concepts (specifically FIN/MINgenders). Fiaspec people don't necessarily have to identify with notions of femininity or be feminine-aligned, nor miaspec people with masculinity. For example, the fiaspec umbrella term would not include neularian-aligned people, as we identify with "neutral" femininity rather than femininity and womanhood; it would, however, include terms like NINgirl or MINgirl.

Also Note: Although a bit unlikely, (name)genders are a concept and the term “miagender” (even fiagender or liagender) may already be in use. The names for mia- fia- and lia- as individual identities are subject to change.

[io-archival]

[PT: Mesobinary4Mesobinary /end PT]

Mesobinary4Mesobinary

Having connections to both binary genders and preferring relationships with individuals of same/similar experience.

[alibinary]

Alibinary System Q&A

What is alibinary?

Alibinary is a word made from the prefix ali-, meaning other, and the word binary. I’m using this word because the system I coined has to do with how different people who are not binary have different relationships to the gender binary.

I think just using nonbinary would make this information hard to find and make this system hard to talk about, since there are many nonbinary systems already.

That said, I don’t think alibinary is meant to be an identity on its own here; please use alibinary system (or AS) when talking about the system, or “people who use the AS/alibinary system”, not “alibinary people” or “alibinary community” or whatever.

But ali is similar to allistic! Appropriation!

1. I’m autistic myself.

2. I don’t think coining new words based on prefixes or using words such as alias, alibi and alien constitutes any sort of appropriation.

3. Alibinary and allistic don’t even look similar.

What is this system composed of?

Viabinary, a word for those who relate to having an experience similar to a binary gender, while not being 100% that binary gender;

Mesobinary, a word for those who relate to having an experience of both binary genders, or to having an experience of being in-between binary genders;

Ideobinary, a word for those who relate to having an experience that does rely on binary or binary-related concepts, while not relating to have an experience that is similar of that of a binary gender;

Exobinary, a word for those who relate to having an experience that is completely independent of binary genders, or at least outside of binary experiences.

In the future, I hope to have more detailed posts for each of these experiences.

Isn’t it problematic/bad/exorsexist/binarist to have all of these based on the binary?

Since binary genders are considered to be the norm, at least in most Western societies, I think it’s fair to say our relationships to the gender binary may affect how we experience exorsexism, dysphoria, erasure, and so on. This is why these terms are the way they are.

If you don’t feel like they apply to your reality, if you don’t feel like sharing spaces with people with completely different identities even if you face similar issues in some ways, or if you are uncomfortable with this system, you are free to not use those terms or participate on communities based on those terms.

What about people with multiple genders? Or genderfluid people? Or people who relate to more than one of those?

Anyone is free to use as many of these labels they want, if they feel like they apply to them.

Someone may say they are mainly exobinary but also relate to some ideobinary stuff, or that they are genderfluid and experience exobinary, mesobinary and viabinary issues at different times, and so on.

Is mascgender a viabinary or ideobinary identity?

This system is based on what issues one is/feels affected by, not on what gender identity someone is. A mascgender person may relate to both, or to one of those, or to none of those; that may vary from person to person.

If you are unsure of what applies to you, you may want to read more on each of these terms.

Are there combo terms?

Not for now. If someone wants to make them, I don’t mind, but I think having more content for the system as it is should be more of a priority than coining more terms.

I want this system to be useful, instead of being just another set of identities and flags that people are like “oh cool” before moving into the next ones when the set is finished, with no one remembering which term means what one week later.

Is there a term for those who don’t fit any of these?

Not for now. If you feel like there is a specific set of issues that may need a word within this system (as opposed to something that may just be described as, say, neurogender issues, pomogender issues, aporagender issues or genderfluid issues), feel free to talk about it!

As for a term that just means “none of the above”, I don’t see how that would be helpful, at least for now. I don’t think you can manage to fit everyone who doesn’t fit into this system as people who face the same kinds of issues, and it’s not like anyone is being forced to choose between viabinary, mesobinary, exobinary and ideobinary, so if you don’t fit anything, I don’t see any reason to want to have a word for it at all. Most people don’t even know about this system!

Anyways, this system is not meant to replace any other sort of terminology. You can still identify as agender, lunarian, xenic, singularian, genderqueer, undefined, quoigender, apogender, genderflux, gendersylph, colorgender, nonbinary girl or whatever your other identities are, regardless if you use the alibinary system or not.

Don’t you think this system can erase certain issues?

This system is meant to bring up issues and discussions that are not taken care of if we are talking about people who aren’t binary as a whole, or if we are talking about issues within specific communities only.

This system is not meant to be a replacement for talking about more general or more specific issues.

We can still talk about aporagender issues. We can still talk about exorsexism. We can still talk about maverique specific issues. We can still talk about solarian specific issues. We can still talk about juxera specific issues. We can still talk about gender reductionism. We can still talk about bigotry targeting genderfluid people. We can still talk about hatred against xenogender identities. We can still talk about agender spectrum erasure. We can still talk about erasure of anyone who is not binary from transgender communities, or from “LGBT” communities as a whole.

The alibinary system is supposed to be a tool to talk about specific issues, to be used alongside with other existing terms, not instead of them.

[beyond-mogai-pride-flags]

Coining

Tefrenme or teferenme: a descriptor for those experiencing a culturally specific identity that could be interpreted as feminine and/or female in nature and the individual consents to this interpretation.

Tremenme: a descriptor for those experiencing a culturally specific identity that could be interpreted as masculine and/or male in nature and the individual consents to this interpretation.

Ternenme: a descriptor for those experiencing a culturally specific identity that could be interpreted as nonbinary or abinary, neutral or null, or otherwise extrine in nature and the individual consents to this interpretation.

Taberenme: a descriptor for those experiencing a culturally specific identity that could be interpreted as androgynous or ambiguous, ambiguine or androgyne and/or ambinary or mesobinary in nature, both treme- and tefre- gendered, a midbinarine combination, centrigender, or mixture, and the individual consents to this interpretation.

Tuxrenme: a descriptor for those experiencing a culturally specific identity that could be interpreted as xenic, xenine and/or xenous in nature and the individual consents to this interpretation.

The pronunciation of -en in -enme is /ẽ/ (IPA). But you can translate and pronounce in any way it's more comfortable for you. Note that these identities aren't solely about gender, it could be about sex, sexuality, orientation, attraction, relationship, presentation, or beyond.

[genderveld]

Mandox & Womandox Pride Flags

Mandox | Womandox

Mandox Alt  w Symbol | Mandox Alt

Womandox Alt w Symbol | Womandox Alt

Mandox - from “man” and “paradox”. Both man and not a man.

Womandox - from “woman” and “paradox”. Both a woman and not a woman.

[ID: six pride flags.

First is the mandox flag. A pride flag consisting of 6 horizontal stripes. The stripes from top to bottom are black, blue, green, off white, yellow & purple.

Second is the womandox flag. A pride flag consisting of 6 horizontal stripes. The stripes from top to bottom are black, pink, orange, off white, green & purple.

Third is the mandox alt. flag with symbol. A pride flag consisting of 8 horizontal stripes. The stripes from top to bottom are black, blue, green, a thick off white stripe, yellow, purple and black. Included overtop the stripes is the Mars symbol rotated 180 degrees.

Fourth is the mandox alt. flag. A pride flag consisting of 8 horizontal stripes. The stripes from top to bottom are black, blue, green, a thick off white stripe, yellow, purple and black.

Fifth is the womandox alt. flag with symbol. A pride flag consisting of 8 horizontal stripes. The stripes from top to bottom are black, pink, orange, a thick off white stripe, green, purple and black. Included overtop the stripes is the Venus symbol rotated 180 degrees.

Sixth is the womandox alt. flag. A pride flag consisting of 8 horizontal stripes. The stripes from top to bottom are black, pink, orange, a thick off white stripe, green, purple and black. 

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Stripe Meanings

Black Stripes: Paradox

Second Stripe: Prescriptive (Wo)Manhood

Third Stripe: Authentic (Wo)Manhood

Fourth Stripe: Ideobinary & Viabinary Genders

Fifth Stripe: Abinary & Atrinary Genders

Sixth Stripe: Mesobinary Genders