#supernatural opinions

[kota-bee]

People accusing misha of queer baiting are kinda??? He’s done so much for the community- he’s made me and so many others feel safe in our identities. Through his words and cas’ he’s changed and enhanced lives. He’s not baiting, he’s using his character for good.

He’s done questionable shit definitely but he tries and learns and that separates him from his fellow actors.

[i-already-know-im-going-2-hell]

The really really neat cool thing about the hit cw show supernatural, is that like all of the characters are red flags actually. Like I can get behind almost every instance of someone pointing out "this was a really fucked up thing for this character to do". Like full on, nodding alone, agreeing with you, no contradicting whatsoever.

But then some of you put on the end "and that's why I just hate Sam" or "that's why I can't stand Dean" and then I suddenly lose you because I thought we watched the same show but now you're trying to take away the "family is hell" part from the "family is hell" show.

[temporaerthaervaerk]

Queerbaiting sucks... but

I find it so affirming as a person who struggles with their romantic orientatation. I just live for that state of not quite friends/not quite lovers.

Like yes, they are partners, yes, they live and die for eachother, yes, every other relationship they have loses all meaning compared to them. But also no, they haven't kissed, and they don't want to kiss, and yet, somehow, every single word, every single glance, every single touch carries so much meaning and conveys so much love because this amount of platonic love is usually unheard of and they don't want the other to misunderstand. And I just- aaah, it gives me so much hope and reminds me that romantic love isn’t the only type of love worth experiencing and showing on screen/paper.

I do wish it was done intentionally and wasn’t just a product of homophobia and capitalism. Like I really, really hate the reason I get this representation. Like, it also leaves a somewhat sour taste in my mouth, because I can see that if the world was more accepting, it would probably be a romantic relationship.

(I sometimes see people calling queercoding queerbaiting, and just to make it clear, that isn't what i'm talking about)

[seasononesam]

Stackednatural- 312/327

All Hell Breaks Loose: Part Two (2x22) May 17th, 2007

[pollsnatural]

Warning: no hate towards Sam in the tags.

[krashlite]

I like the concept of life series curses being something self inflicted rather than some divine curse of the universe. As in its something that can be worked through if they just learned how, if they just spotted the pattern and moved to correct it. Not that it’s as mundane as Going to Therapy, but it’s magic that reflects a truth about themselves

The Canary Curse is a reflection of Jimmy’s foolhardy determination. The Widow’s curse reflects how Grian holds tactic above connection. 777, the angel number for luck, reflects how Skizz’s friendship is a boon for others at the expense of himself.

If Jimmy just considered how he is doomed, he might take more cautious steps. If Grian just opened up more he could act to protect people instead of damning them. If Skizz recognized that his nature is what ends him, he could protect himself at the cost of others, lasting beyond session 7.

But Jimmy won’t, Grian won’t, and neither will Skizz. And so they are cursed

[lariej]

me? leaving fandoms? no no no you misunderstand me, i have never left a single fandom i’ve ever been in, i just find other fandoms to entertain myself with until i eventually go back to other fandoms i was in years ago

[larphis]

I think the closest thing I‘ll ever accept as a proof of god‘s existence are fix-it fanfictions. Jesus sounds great and all - but have you ever had a post canon fanfic that was so well written that it sounded like it was actually canon and you felt as if all your wounds were suddenly healed?? THAT‘S a religious experience if there ever was one, if you ask me.

[franklespine]

You know I think you guys might be on to something when you call Sam woman coded cause - genuinely - how do you, as writers of a show, be so misogynistic as to not include any female characters asides from damsels and hookups (specifically referring to the early seasons), and yet need so desperately to have a outlet for macho masculine patriarchy power dynamics that you have an adult male character experience misogyny?? How do you mess up that badly??

It's like, although they thought that putting female characters in the narrative other than to exist as sexy distressed lamps wouldn't appeal to the true blooded 2000s American audience. But yet it was completely necessary for there to be a bottom rung in the masculinity pyramid because - well how else can we as a society function!!

Anyway, ik reading too far into things is my special talent, and in most circumstances all of this stuff is just a joke in the show but wow they really had Dean poking fun of any of Sam's characteristics that don't fit into this Hyper True Blooded American Masculinity ideology as a butt of jokes for 15 years. The fact that he has longer hair, that he cares about his hair, that he's tidy, that he likes salads and isn't a big meat eater, that he's sympathetic, that he's a bitch. And of course these are just silly little jabs that Dean makes in sibling-like fashion but like wow 15 years. Damn.

And of course it's not only this that leads to the rather odd interpretation of a woman-coded Sam, but also the way he is treated directly by the narrative. Like, for example, being the family's possession, rather than an equal member. Dean has seen it as his job to look out for his little brother since he pulled him from the fire and the wellbeing of this infant was thrown onto his shoulders at age 4, and this has created a lot of ricocheting effects on both of them. This isn't to say that Dean doesn't love, care, respect, and value Sam, but it does mean that sometimes he treats him like a possession rather than a person. He makes a lot of crazy decisions in the show that he justifies as being for Sam's own good, even if it goes directly against Sam's wishes. After Sam leaves a note to Dean telling him he's going out for a bit to handle a case, Dean weasels his way in, not trusting him to handle it due to the mental issues Sam is facing at the time, and kills Amy, despite Sam begging him not to. Even though Dean knows Sam would never consent to an angle possessing him, he tricks him into it anyway. He does these things, and many others because he believes that he is acting in Sam's best interests, totally disregarding the fact that Sam has capacity to make judgements and handle the consequences himself, even going so far as to oppose what he directly knows or Sam tells him he wants.

Then of course there is the fact that the fear integral to his character - a loss of autonomy (bodily autonomy, but also autonomy to make his own decisions about his future, to be good, to be pure and faithful), is an explicitly feminine one. Then there is the strong subtext in his story of SA themes, I think in s4 a demon even refers to Sam as a 'whore' or that he's 'whoring it up' (with respect to Ruby), and the interesting prevalent idea of Sam questioning or going against the ideals/ideology of the masculine figure head (which would be Dean I guess) and getting punished for it. Sam suggests that maybe they take a more humanitarian approach with the cow blood drinking vampires in s2 and Dean punches him, Sam tries to get him to talk about their Dad and Dean punches him, Sam tries to get him to talk about Lisa and Ben and Dean punches him, Sam gets caught simply using his abilities and Dean punches him - twice. I think you get the picture.

Anyway. This post comes off as rather critical of Dean, which wasn't really my intention. It's more sort of a broader criticism of the rampant sexism that had its part in shaping the show - being one to come out of the early 2000s. Ideas such as this - you could really go on for hours as its fascinating how ideological frameworks are presented certain ways in media - and the way masculine and feminine social dynamics, to list only one, is presented in supernatural is definitely a can of worms.

[kota-bee]

I’m upset about this again :)

Jared Stan’s, Jensen Stan’s, and misha stans listen up

If someone doesn’t like your “hero” don’t attack them, don’t call them slurs, don’t send them threats, and don’t invalidate them because their opinions clash with yours.

I’ve had countless Jensen and Jared fans call me a fa**ot and a r****d because I said I didn’t like them or their actions. I’ve had misha fans undermine my identity because I said something he did was homophobic/transphobic.

This isn’t the right or healthy way to “defend” someone. And it’s definitely not a way to change minds. If someone is accused of racism, google the situation first BEFORE blindly attacking. If someone brings up a complex point, think about it and attempt to understand before brushing over it. Think critically before defending someone who will never acknowledge your existence.

Jared Jensen and misha will never know you or I exist so let’s not say things we wouldn’t say in person ok?

[preseriesdean]

Everything. I have given everything I've ever had.

[deqncas]

dean kicking cas out the bunker was so ooc i hate it so much. since WHEN does dean even consider trusting another angel over cas. i decide to believe it was one of chuck's plots, it was all completely manipulated by him. bc otherwise it just doesn't make any sense

[dean-mikaelson]

"the very touch of you corrupts" because all best buddies corrupt each other with touch

"you have fallen in every way imagineble" but not in love. that would be ridiculous, you silly goose

"dean and I do share a more profound bond" higher level of being pals obviously, nothing to worry about

"the worst part was dean trying so hard to be loyal with every instinct telling him otherwise" ...sigh

"you asked what about all of this is real. we are" nothing is real except our platonic friendship, my dude (also your brother said the same exact thing to his girlfriend and they kissed but it doesn't mean anything)

"I'd rather have you. cursed or not" "you're hoping castiel will return to you" "don't lose it over one man" if you told me it was from some romantic novel I wouldn't even stop to question but sure I quess

"I'm hunted I rebelled and I did it all of it for you" just rebelling against everything you've ever known for a man you met like,, 4 times? you know, as one does

mixtape. *stares directly into camera*

[beautiful-and-strange]

Come make my bed messy(ier)

[mothgardens]

desperately need to be devoured by my thoughts so that i can express them